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Usually when it takes me this long to put up a review, it means I had a lot of issues with the episode, and I'm struggling to put my thoughts together.  But thats not really the case this week.  I actually enjoyed Hostage for the most part.  No, instead, its just life kicking my ass for the last 2 days.  Its why I'm writing this review quickly at 1am, because I know I won't have any time for it tomorrow. 

So, without further delay

Hostage, running time 41m, 50s

Clark:  21m, 56s
Chloe:  4m, 45s
Lois:  18m, 46s
Oliver:  1m, 33s*
Tess:  5m, 1s

Martha:  16m, 33s
Perry:  14m, 57s
Maxwell Lord:  1m, 54s

*I'm sort of struggling with including this for Oliver screentime, because he wasn't actually Oliver.  But, truth be told, I'm too crazed right now to sweat the details

Season to Date:

Clark:  395m, 24s (21)
Chloe:  197m, 38s (21)
Lois:  284m, 35s (17)
Oliver:  159m, 42s (16)
Tess:  114m, 37s (16)
Zod:  108m, 3s (11)




So, lets start with the big thing first.  The return of Martha Kent, and the revelation that she's The Red Queen.

Anyone who watched last weeks preview (or read any of the recent interviews with AOT and MM), had to know that this was coming.  And I have to admit that the very thought of it turned me way off.  But surprisingly, I thought they pulled it off rather well.  Maybe that had something to do with the way AOT is playing Martha now.  Almost as if a light has gone out inside of her.  Her fiery red hair is now brown with grey.  She's much thinner (AOT is positively tiny!).  And she seems to solemn.  And that is very fitting, not only for her having lost her soulmate, but also for someone who has chosen to adopt this persona, and resort to some unsavory methods. 

For whatever reason, SV likes to drag all of its "Team Good" people down a notch.  I'm not sure why this is done.  No, I can't say I ever wanted to see Martha Kent brandishing a gun, or ordering a thug to mentally torture someone else.  But on this show?  Well, she can pull up a chair next to Oliver, and Chloe, and Lana, and even Clark. 

I also have to admit that my favorite version of Martha Kent is "Fierce Mama Bear".  And her being the Red Queen, for the reasons she stated, fits right in with that.  Maybe this is just the way I've built the story in my head, but I suspect Martha will always look at Clark and see that little boy she and Jonathan found in a cornfield.  All their lives, their determination to protect Clark was fierce.  Even when that had them crossing some moral and ethical lines.  This all feels like a continuation of that.  Sure, Clark is a grown man, a bonafide hero, but to Martha, I think he'll always be her baby that she needs to protect.

However, how does Martha suddenly have the knowledge to know what the Book of Rao can do?  That was pretty silly.

As was Lois and Perry having all this information on it.  I love how the show just ignores how either of them got the information, expect in most superficial way.

And lets move onto the other big returnee, Perry White.  It was great to see him, and I think he nailed the character again.  The romance between Martha and Perry worked far better for me then I thought it would.  I especially loved Perry's scene with Clark.  Though I was disappointed that there wasn't any one-on-one conversation about journalism.  And the Perry/Lois scenes worked quite well.

Also returning this week was Maxwell Lord, but I thought that was pretty much a waste.  That whole subplot with Tess and Oliver just really didn't work all that well for me.  I liked it better when Tess seemed totally over her cheating ex-boyfriend, and was all too happy to call Oliver on his flaws.  But Tess pining over Oliver, and suddenly being to blame for their falling out?  I call shenanigans!

I very much liked seeing Clark focused on the Kandorian issue.  And along with the aforementioned scene with Perry, I totally loved all the Clark/Martha.  Particularly the last one.  It was great to see Clark figuring out the identity of the Red Queen on his own, and I loved the way he confronted his mother.  Very gentlely, but very maturely.

One of the things the ep did, which I think was a smart move, is give the suggestion that Martha may very well have been a little distant with Clark over the last few years.  Because she is trying to distance herself from her painful memories, and the farm.  She hasn't come home to visit, and thats really sad.  It also gives us an excuse for why Martha Kent is rarely mentioned.  I even found myself wondering if she and Clark talk on the phone daily?  weekly?  twice a month?  As much as the love between them was still evident, there was also distance, I thought.

The Clark/Chloe scene was a mixed bag for me, but I was very glad to see her actually say the words "I'm sorry" to him, and seem to mean it.  I also liked that she came clean about not sharing the information about Jor-El with him.  And as much as I didn't care for the line about "Even when I was hurting you, I was protecting you", she at least acknowledged that she has been hurting him.  And I think I've made my peace with what Clark said to her.  For one thing, this is just very Clark.  And its also very Smallville, where almost everyone gets a turn at the hero wheel.  And he's bucking her, reassuring her, and getting her back in the game, which is what a friend should do.

But, here's my flip side....I don't really think the dialogue went far enough, or deep enough.  For one thing, when Clark asked Chloe why she didn't tell him about the Jor-El footage, she goes into this whole thing about losing her perspective, and shutting herself up in Watchtower, and not engaging in the real world (which she now wants to do because of Oliver, and thats just a big ol' lightswitch, but whatever).  But what we saw on screen was a Chloe that was pretty openly contemptuous of Clark, and his actions.  Several times, we heard Chloe talking about Clark "not doing what needs to be done", and we saw the way she talked behind his back in Conspiracy.  So, does she not believe that anymore?  Does she trust Clark again?  I don't really know, because it wasn't addressed.  So, sure, we got the apology and confession from Chloe, and we got the peptalk from Clark, but I remain skeptical.

And now we get to the part of the episode I wasn't crazy about, and that was the Clois.  Now, I understand that Lois was freaking out about losing her job, and finding her purpose.  And I understand that Clark was distracted, and that felt dismissive to Lois.  But what I don't get is why she seemed to be making it like Clark was preventing her from going out and getting a purpose.  Or that Clark was stopping her from working on a story.  She was trying to save both jobs, and thats very nice, but I don't think Clark ever asked her to do that.  And I've never seen Clark discourage her from going out and being her own hero.  So, when she talks about needing to find her purpose, and not looking to Clark for that, I was really left to wonder when Clark asked her for find her purpose in him.  Because, to the best of my recollection, he didn't.  She acted like Clark was holding her back, and I just don't know where that came from.

Now, I don't begrudge her wanting to get a better place, or find her own inner purpose.  I guess I just don't understand why that can't be achieved with a boyfriend that you are, supposedly, really in love with.  I don't see why its an either/or thing. 

When Martha and Lois were talking in the kitchen, and Martha was talking about finding her purpose by working side-by-side with Jonathan, I though Lois was going to realize that she can still be with the person she loves, AND be her own hero.  But Lois seemed to go the other way, and....well, bottom line, it just really didn't work for me.

And I have to be honest, and say that A LOT of that has to do with her deciding to break up with him at the dinner table, across from his mother and her new boyfriend.  I understand that Lois was feeling uncomfortable with the lying, but then she can get herself up, excuse herself, and leave.  If Clark was insensitive to her feelings earlier, well then Lois more then made up for it by airing a private conversation in front of Clark's mother and her paramour.  I thought that was so crass, and not in a good "Oh, thats so Lois!" sort of way.  Lois knew, pretty much from when Martha Kent arrived back home, that Clark hadn't told his mother everything.  She still decided to stay, and play along, and that is on Lois, not Clark.  If she wasn't comfortable with that, well then, make an excuse and leave, and break up with Clark later. 

I also wasn't a huge fan of the way they staged Lois rescuing Perry.  For one thing, there is NO WAY that Lois is pulling up dead weight like that.  Its law of physics impossible.  But more then that, I though the visual parallel of Clark's rescue of Perry in S3 was a bit too heavy-handed.

Honestly, if they drag out this triange-for-two shit in S10, I don't know that I'll have any tolerance for it at all.  Logically, with everything that happened, Clark should be deciding to tell Lois the truth, or to not have a romantic relationship with her at all, not as Clark, and not as The Blur.  I'm so afraid of where they are going to go with this relationship now.

A few random observations:

I don't want to see Tess take any more beatings, real or virtual.  Thanks!

It was good to see that, despite her first sentence to him, Vala still seems to trust Clark.   I'd love to see her switch back to Clark's side in the finale, and bring some other Kandorians with her.  If none of the Kandorians come back to Clark's side, I think a major thread of this season will be a major failure.

Another "apocalypse" mention?  Hmmmmm

That grey jacket Lois was wearing at the DP was tragic.  And I wish that the costume person would just get over this longer shirt, shorter jacket look already.  Its not even flattering.

I loved Clark in this episode, but why does he seem to have so much less dialogue then other characters?

Oh, and Tom Welling looked beautiful throughout, but especially in that last scene with his Mom, in the v-neck sweater.  Honestly, that man just gets better and better looking.

I hoped Annette and Michael come back for more eps in S10.  It was great to see them.

Sorry for any typos.

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jeannev
May. 9th, 2010 03:33 pm (UTC)
Oh, yeah, I forgot about J'onn working for her. OK, so that does make sense. He may very well have known what the Book of Rao was.

Still, I would've love a line of dialogue clarifying that.
svfan01
May. 9th, 2010 06:45 am (UTC)
The episode overall was alright. I wasn't really a fan of making Martha a double agent secret spy stuff myself, but the Martha/Clark scenes were good. The Chloe apology as well came off bad. I thought the first half was great and even the "i did it for you" didn't bother me but it just seemed liek they turned it into another isn't Chloe wonderful moment by the end of it and the apology sort of got lost in the shuffle.

It's a shame they got Martha and Perry back this late in the Season, because I think it would have been served to be in an episode that didn't fit into the season long storyline and sort of had a 1 shot episode by themselves that had a more fun and happy mood surrounding it.

There basically enough good in the episode to make it enjoyable but enough not so great to not make it one of my favorites this season.
jeannev
May. 9th, 2010 03:38 pm (UTC)
Well, making Martha the Red Queen is never going to be my first choice for her character. SV has a tendency to want to muddy up all its characters, and overly complicate them. When, really, it should be OK to have a character just be who they are, with no secret identity or hidden agenda. I'd have preferred that for Martha Kent.

I definitely think there was a lot of whitewashing in the Chloe/Clark scene. No doubt about it. But like I said, we should've seen that coming, since the show headed in that direction for several eps now. The Chlark scene was nice, and Clark was totally lovely, but it wasn't quite enough for me.

I'm not sure AOT would come back for just a fun episode. Going by her comments in interviews, she very much wanted this more twisted and dark arc.

This one actually was one of my favs this season, but honestly, this season has been short on favs for me.
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jlvsclrk
May. 9th, 2010 07:13 am (UTC)
Yes, yes, yes! Our minds, they are as one. Well, not quite, because I remain the Pollyanna optimist, but I have to say your caution has helped temper my expectations, which is a large part of why I've been able to remain so Pollyannish, if that makes any sense. For example, you warned ages back that there'd probably be very little payoff on the Chloe thing, so getting that mixed apology was enough to make me kind of happy. In fact, I would have been totally happy if the show hadn't stupidly pushed the scene and gone for the ridiculous shot with the opening of the iris over the window and the sun in Chloe's face. Honestly, that just reminded me of he-who-must-not-be-named, who bought Chloe that location as a wedding present and is now relagated to the dustbin of history while Ollie is the light of her life. Gag. But at least we got the line that having all the information is not the same as having all the answers. I trust Chloe will keep that in mind in the future.

Why do I keep going on about Chloe? I don't mean to, honestly. Perhaps because she's so symptomatic of why this show goes off the rails - because the writers don't have the guts to take their own story seriously - they don't take the time to properly lay the groundwork and/or don't take the situations to their logical conclusion. And falling in that category this episode is the whole situation with Lois, for all the reasons you go into here and in the Charade review. Although I enjoyed these two episodes in and of themselves, so much of them doesn't feel right in the context of the series as a whole. So do we just play dumb and forget what 'really' happened in order to enjoy what we're seeing in a given episode? Sure you can try, but then they do something ridiculous like that rooftop save in a clear callback to S3's Perry and you're left to wonder. And once the critical faculties get turned on, well the plot pretty much falls to threads. You can't expect us to remember and forget at the same time!

Sorry, I'm babbling too. Need to get off to sleep.

Edited at 2010-05-09 01:17 pm (UTC)
jeannev
May. 9th, 2010 03:42 pm (UTC)
No, I get what you are saying. Its like we're playing good cop/bad cop. I get to play bad cop, so you can think happy thoughts. LOL!

Its amazing how Jimmy is wiped from existence. I'm not totally surprised, since SV is known for this. But still...Chloe was married to him! Then again, quite honestly, I never really thought Chloe loved him, so I can't say him being out-of-sight-out-of-mind for her is a shock.

I think Chloe is a big problem for a lot of people this season. Especially people who are very Clark oriented. And her whole arc is just such an unsatisfying disappointment to me, and then it just looks like she's getting a big reward at the end. It all leaves a very bad taste in my mouth. I felt similarily (not not quite as extreme) with the dark!Lana stuff in S7.

I totally needed sleep when I wrote this review. I haven't even reread it yet. I bet its got a billion typos.
goodvibe
May. 9th, 2010 10:47 am (UTC)
I am in complete agreement with you on Martha-as-RQ. I had caved and watched the trailer for 'Hostage' after 'Sacrifice', and needless to say, I was majorly regretting it. But I have to say, my inherent issue with it aside, the execution of the concept was handled very believably for me, and Martha' reasoning felt very organic. I thought their scenes were absolutely terrific. I saw the distance issue more as two people just wistful in their shared rememberance of the man that meant the most to them. And this emotion was only something the each could share to each other and so that's where I got thst melancholic sense to them. Not so much emptional distance, though, as you rightly pointed out I do think it's evident Martha doesn't visit very often.

I also agree that it was a good step to allow Clark to come to the conclusion about RQ by himself, and actually, I thought on the whole too, it was a very good ep for Clark.

//I don't really think the dialogue went far enough, or deep enough.//

I didn't either. And this is exactly the apology was a mixed bag for me too. I appreciate that we got one at all, and AM played it very vulnerably and sincerely, but---that's it? I've had issues with Chlark, wrt Chloe' behaviour stemming all the way back from 'Eternal' now, right up this season. It felt inadequate, and if I'm being honest, Chlark will never feel the same to me again.

//And now we get to the part of the episode I wasn't crazy about, and that was the Clois.//

You're more generous than I am with stating it as 'not so crazy about', because I flat out hated it. And in my case, you know that all my issues aside with this season, I do think their relationship for the most part has been handled quite well. I feel like I've ranted enough about this already, heh, but if I were to sum up, it was the most contrived, ridiculously unbelievable reason that Lois chose to break up with Clark and it smacked of laziness from the writers scaling a whole new low. I adored Lois' scenes with Perry, so color me even more disappointed that I disliked so very much her behaviour and the conclusions she came to, in the rest of the ep, wrt Clark.

//Honestly, if they drag out this triange-for-two shit in S10, I don't know that I'll have any tolerance for it at all.//

Oh shit, there's a spoiler isn't there? They're going to actually do a full blown Triangle? Ugh, I should've known. Trust this show to make a perfectly solid foundation of Clois, deal for the most part rather maturely with The Blur angle thrown in to it, and then crap on all of that in the last few eps of the season, only to set up the triangle in full force for next season. I feared as much, and I'm a little disgusted actually.

Hope things get better at your end soon! ::hugs::
jeannev
May. 9th, 2010 03:50 pm (UTC)
I was really shocked at how NOT bothered I was with Martha as the Red Queen. Although I'd love for someone to explain to me why she needs to wear 4" red patent leather fuck-me pumps when she's in Red Queen mode. LOL

Its funny, because the death of Jonathan bonds them, but I also think it estranged them in some ways. Like, together, the shared memories become too painful. And that makes sense to me given how large Jonathan loomed in both of their lives. His death should resonate, and in this ep, it really did. The fact that something like work gloves, or a coat, can still bring Martha to tears. And the fact that Clark still keeps that sort of stuff laying around the house 4 years later is a powerful message.

I hope that we find out that Clark didn't tell anyone else about who the Red Queen is. I don't want Chloe or Oliver to know. I want Clark to keep his mothers secret, as she's always protected his.

With Chloe, one of the big things that was really lacking for me is a total absence of addressing their divergent philosophies. Is that all gone now? IDK, because this scene failed to address it.

I think the reason I didn't flat-out hate the Clois stuff is because I didn't totally not understand some of what Lois was saying. For instance, I liked that she figured out that she needs to find the hero in herself, as opposed to wanting to be the Blur's sidekick, and finding purpose in his mission. And I can't really fault a person for wanting to spend some time working on themself, and getting their own life together. My biggest issue was that I don't see how Clark was preventing her from doing that, or why she couldn't do all those things and still be with Clark. That was the disconnect.

But its weird, because if you ask me, it sort of feels a bit like Lois just fell out of love with Clark in a snap, and maybe thats a total misrepresentation, but it just sort of feels like that to me.

There isn't a spoiler, exactly. There was a tweet from Erica that seems to hint at the T-for-2 being around next season. Which SUCKS outloud to me.
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tjw_jaypat
May. 9th, 2010 12:38 pm (UTC)
Just coming in to drop my "Bravo"! :)

Despite the contrivances, Hostage was more enjoyable than many of the previous episodes. At least something...

Chloe´s apology was indeed not deep enoigh. Even the "I am sorry" had a slightly flippant undertone for me. And I´m still not sure whether this is the way it´s supposed to be or whether it´s AM´s acting this season. I think she could have played it more sincerely.

I am shocked too if the rumors are true that the triangle continues next year. This is so not working on SV. And I am so sick of reveals that end either in death or memory loss shortly after...

Poor Tom had a cold. And the very next episode they make him shoot scenes soaking wet. Have they no regard for his health? At least the Lakers game candids showed that he survived and is fine. So I may be able to enjoy my wet man... :)
jeannev
May. 9th, 2010 03:53 pm (UTC)
Now, you can come in a say Bravo! any time! :)

I think if this season was really awesome and kicking ass for me, Hostage may have been found lacking a bit. But compared to most of the season, it comes out on top. Not the very top, but top 5 probably.

I know what you mean about the "I'm sorry". AM could've played that better. I wasn't really 100% what she was apologizing for with that. Frankly, Clark's "I'm sorry" to his mom for lying felt more sincere. But, the rest of Chloe's speech was better, and AM turned it up a notch. At least she finally toned the bitchy way down.

Are we sure Tom had a cold, or is that a rumor? Because I didn't notice, and he looked great.
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canadabear
May. 9th, 2010 01:29 pm (UTC)
But Tess pining over Oliver, and suddenly being to blame for their falling out? I call shenanigans!
I don't think this is what was being implied at all. I think what Martha was doing - since Max was only doing what he was told to - was trying to hit home to Tess that she's never had that "love" to fight for, and really, she hasn't. Tess immediately knew it was a game when Oliver said he loved her, because he doesn't. And frankly, I don't think he ever did, nor do I think Tess really loved him either. Do they care about each other? Yes. But Oliver was not the love of Tess' life. That was Lex and he never loved her back either, though she knew and accepted that. The point Martha was trying to make was that she was doing what she was doing out of love and that made it okay, but Tess is just a selfish bitch. Now that I have a problem with, but that's for another day.
jeannev
May. 9th, 2010 03:58 pm (UTC)
Hmmm, I have to disagree.

OK, maybe pining isn't the right word. But I think taking Checkmate, Sacrifice, and this ep together, the show is starting to try and repaint the Tess/Ollie stuff. From him talking about how she let him down, and her apologizing for it (What?), and her also apologizing for him not being able to look at her the same way (What?), and now him being used here to get through to her. Then there was her talk about how she couldn't give Oliver a purpose, like Chloe. This is just the impression I get.

I think the show is trying to paint it as if Tess is still in love with Oliver, and that makes me want to vomit. Because I think she's too good for him.

I think Tess is a complicated character, and I like her a lot. But, I don't blame Martha entirely, since Tess has definitely had a mixed agenda when its come to Clark, and thats really all that Martha cares about.
(Anonymous)
May. 9th, 2010 03:16 pm (UTC)
Britas15, present!
I completely agree with you about Annette O'Toole's return as Martha Kent. The writing and the performance really grounded a narrative turn that could've seemed silly and gratuitous (the Red Queen thing, I mean).

I really liked that Martha's actions weren't just about keeping Clark safe, as most other people (Chloe, Lana, and even Lois come to mind) claim to be doing. There was actually something selfish about it. She was afraid of losing Clark, if he got the Book of Rao, used it, and was exiled off of Earth because of that. It seemed like that would've been the breaking point for her. Sure, there seems to have been some distance between Martha and Clark. But I think that, even so, Martha's still putting all of her effort into what's left of her family: her son. And she can't bear losing him too. And, you know, I have far more respect for someone whose motivations for what she does on Clark's behalf are a little self-motivated, than the folks who claim that it's all for him, and that they don't matter at all (Chloe, Lana, and even Lois (up until this episode, anyway) have all been guilty of that over-the-top, self-sacrificing mentality).

So, yeah, the episode totally delivered for me on the Martha-front.

As far as Chloe's "apology," frankly, it rang false to me. And it rang false because Chloe never actually experienced something to change her mind. One second, she was hating on Clark. The next second, she was having an excellent adventure with Tess. And the next second, she was saying what everyone has been telling her all season long, that she needs to get out of Watchtower. But, what experience did she have that taught her that, since other people telling her so didn't have any effect on her beforehand?

Moreover, is it just me, or is there something about Mack's acting that never quite makes Chloe come across as sincere and repentant, especially when she's crying? It's like overblown self-pity, that's just begging for someone to make it all better. It's like a child saying, "I can't do this. I suck." Just so that some adult will say in response, "No. You can this. And you don't suck."

Anywho, it's the most I'll ever get from Chloe. So, I'm not gonna waste any more time thinking about it.

Lastly, about this whole romantic triangle-for-two that it looks like the PTB are setting up: They shouldn't do it. Though, short of a reveal, I've long thought that Lois and The Blur need to develop some kind of more meaningful, more permanent friendship, I've never thought that their connection should be romantic. And the way the PTB are setting it up to be romantic just stinks of "stall" all the way around.

And admittedly, in theory, I find the idea of The Blur (possibly) getting to kiss Lois, and Lois (possibly) getting to kiss The Blur incredibly compelling, given how much they've meant to each other. I think that The Blur has gotten unconditional support from Lois, and that he's gotten someone who doesn't have some other agenda, and doesn't want him to be something he doesn't want to be. And I think that Lois has gotten the realization that she does want a higher purpose in life (though, granted, she got that from two different Blurs; Zod's, in particular). And I think that that realization spurred her toward her escapade with Perry, and finding her purpose in her journalism. So, I do like the idea of those two people getting to connect, and getting to share something physical and intimate. But, that's only in theory.

In practice, it begs too many questions of Lois's investment in Clark, and it begs too many questions of Clark's motives and respectability. So, like I said, the PTB shouldn't do it.

Sadly though, I think that the finale is going to show Lois and Clark falling out, which, in the PTB's minds, will give Lois a reason to find Clark's Blur more appealing, and give Clark no other way to connect with Clark, other than to do so as The Blur. Their reasoning has got about a billion holes in it. But so does their depiction of Chloe. So, I'm braced for the worst.
jeannev
May. 9th, 2010 04:07 pm (UTC)
Re: Britas15, present!
AOT was truly amazing, and I think thats why TRQ managed to work on some levels. I can't really say that I disagree with people who didn't like it though. In theory, I don't either. But in execution, it manged to work.

I sort of hate all these people who feel like they have to resort to shady stuff to protect Clark, as though he's a toddler that needs to be kept away from sharp objects. But, of any character in the whole show, in any year, Martha Kent is the one character that make this feel justifed. This is her baby. The only child she ever had, and he's so special. And protecting him is not only her job, but she's also carrying on the work for Jonathan. It just felt right.

ITA on the Chloe thing. Its just a weak conclusion to an annoying arc. It could've been something much more, but the show lacked the balls to really go there. They wussed out, whitewashed Chloe, then patched things up. Its lame.

See, I just don't think I've seen enough to think Lois and The Blur meant all that much to each other. Sure, we've seen bits and pieces of it, but it just doesn't resonate for me. We had multiple eps where there was no mention of this connection, and when something is off screen, its out of sight.

I'm braced for the worst next season too, and I'm not kidding when I say that I've never been so close to checking out of the show. If thats what they do with Clois, I just don't want to sit through it. I DO NOT WANT!
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jade4813
May. 9th, 2010 06:07 pm (UTC)
LOL! I haven't even read the review yet, just the intro. But I wanted to say that I was relieved to read it. I kept checking here and thinking, "Holy crap. Val must have reeeeeeeally hated the episode!" Not sure if I should be happy it's real life stuff that's kept you away (I suppose perhaps, depending on what that stuff is). So I'll hope for the best!

I agree with your remarks about Martha. I assume she found out what the Book of RaO can do from J'onn. How'd he learn? I guess he's got mad skillz. ;)

I thought the Martha/Clark and Perry/Lois scenes were the highlights of the episode. Good to see both the characters back. Like you, I was glad to see Chloe apologize to Clark. I think they decided to brush her distrust and disdain for him under the rug the minute they decided to "redeem" her and make her a "hero" again. Which is frustrating for me, and yet I can't feign surprise.

As for the Clois. Well, I won't bore everyone with my thoughts. I'm actually not upset that they broke up. But I do wish that they hadn't had her do it as they did at dinner.

Anyway, hope you get a chance to grab some rest!
jeannev
May. 10th, 2010 01:20 am (UTC)
LOL, yeah, I actually figured people were thinking that I was going to blast this ep. But, I liked it.

Once upon a time, writing a review for SV was a priority for me. So, even when I was busy, I'd find time. But now its not. Not even when I like an ep. Couple that with crazy life stuff, and SV just has to wait.

I forgot about J'onn working for Martha, but that explains a lot for me.

Honestly, I'm not necessarily opposed to a Clois break-up. And I really did understand a lot of the things Lois was saying. But, like so many things SV, I just wish the writing was better, the set-up more firmly established, and yeah, a change in venue for the break-up itself. Having her do it at the dinner table, across from his mother, was just cringe-worthy for me.

I'm hoping to get some rest when I'm at work tomorrow. LOL
tasabian
May. 9th, 2010 06:45 pm (UTC)
I'm sorry RL has been stressful and hope that today is a little easier.

Anyone who watched last weeks preview (or read any of the recent interviews with AOT and MM), had to know that this was coming. And I have to admit that the very thought of it turned me way off. But surprisingly, I thought they pulled it off rather well. Maybe that had something to do with the way AOT is playing Martha now. Almost as if a light has gone out inside of her. Her fiery red hair is now brown with grey. She's much thinner (AOT is positively tiny!). And she seems to solemn.
Absolutely agree, and it made me very sad. I knew I would hate the Red Queen reveal, and I did, but I was hoping for some sweet and light mother/son moments which the episode didn't deliver. Everything seemed so funereal. I completely understand why Annette was attracted to doing something different (and not dying her hair!) but I wish they'd come up with a better plot for Martha & Clark.

I even found myself wondering if she and Clark talk on the phone daily? weekly? twice a month? As much as the love between them was still evident, there was also distance, I thought.
And this also really bothered me. With Jonathan gone, you'd think the bond would be even stronger between them, even if it plays out offscreen. And it's evident that Annette adores Tom so why so remote? I was expecting to have my tears jerked in at least one scene but there was nothing.

I also wasn't a huge fan of the way they staged Lois rescuing Perry. For one thing, there is NO WAY that Lois is pulling up dead weight like that. Its law of physics impossible. But more then that, I though the visual parallel of Clark's rescue of Perry in S3 was a bit too heavy-handed.
Not a great idea to invoke comparison with a much better episode.

Now, I understand that Lois was freaking out about losing her job, and finding her purpose. And I understand that Clark was distracted, and that felt dismissive to Lois. But what I don't get is why she seemed to be making it like Clark was preventing her from going out and getting a purpose. Or that Clark was stopping her from working on a story. She was trying to save both jobs, and thats very nice, but I don't think Clark ever asked her to do that.
I really don't like how Anne Cofell Saunders writes Lois at all. This seemed a dumber reason to break up than any of the Clana break-ups even, and Lois was written as flippant and brittle. I much prefer when she's given more naturalistic dialogue. In terms of the job loss, I can imagine a Lois blithely confident that she will produce a knock out story that will have the Planet begging for her & Clark to return. Breaking up with Clark for reasons of self-actualization seems illogical - of all the characters, Lois seems most confident of who she is.

The Clark/Chloe scene was a mixed bag for me, but I was very glad to see her actually say the words "I'm sorry" to him, and seem to mean it. I also liked that she came clean about not sharing the information about Jor-El with him. And as much as I didn't care for the line about "Even when I was hurting you, I was protecting you", she at least acknowledged that she has been hurting him.
This plotline really went nowhere, didn't it? Allison & Tom played the scene well and it's certainly in character for Clark to forgive and move on....but it did seem terribly anti-climactic.

I do hope Annette returns, with a better script next year. And I hope they drop Perry as her romantic interest because MM is more fun when he's snarky and unleashed.
jeannev
May. 10th, 2010 01:26 am (UTC)
Most of the life stuff is just normal crazy life stuff. But I also have a sick kitty thats been at the vet since friday night, and thats really dragging me down. With any luck though, he comes home tomorrow. Cross your fingers for me!

I understand why you were bothered with the distance between Clark and his mom. I was too. But I'm not entirely sure that the show was expecting you not to be. Addressing the fact that Martha had not been home really did make a point for me. And it is sad. One of the impressions I got was that it was almost too painful for them to spend too much time together now.

I don't like the Perry save comparison because I'm not interested in this show comparing people to Clark, and trying to imply parity.

Lois can be a contradiction of a character, because she does seem like a mix of ballsy confidence, and deep-seated insecurities to me. And I didn't hate all the writing for her in the ep (the stuff with Perry was great!). But this sure wasn't a great Lois ep for me.

The Chloe and Clark stuff should've built to something different. It fizzled, and so it leaves a very unsatisfied aftertaste.

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foreverknightfa
May. 9th, 2010 08:10 pm (UTC)
I agree with you that MK knowing what the Book of Rao says looks very hard to believe. Unless she earned Kryptonian while doing all the other stuff of politics, etc, how would she have known the book existed, much less what it contains? CK didn't know until a few months ago. Now if the plot monkeys want to claim that her connection with Lionel as the oracle helped her out, why didn't Jor-El tell CK sooner about the book?

You are right in that a normal grown woman cannot by herself lift dead weight like Lois did. In extreme circumstances there have been actual cases of people doing amazing feats of strength that they would otherwise be incapable of doing, but the scene in question didn't have that feel of Lois in hyperdrive mode.

And it goes without saying that Welling looks good in pretty much anything. He's definitely in his prime years. Tho we haven't seen him in drag......
jeannev
May. 10th, 2010 01:28 am (UTC)
I felt the same way about MK and the Book of Rao until I was reminded that J'onn Jones is working with her, and then I could make sense of it. Because he would know that stuff.

Lois pulling Perry up was just silly.

Welling is insane looking. I think he's the most beautiful man I have ever seen. And he just gets better and better looking.
miss_tress
May. 9th, 2010 11:26 pm (UTC)
I'm feeling very neutral about this ep. There were bits I loved and bits I hated so I think it all averages out.

And my weird nitpicky complaint for the ep is that the guy with x-ray vision was busting holes in his house while looking for something. WHY ARE YOU DOING THAT CLARK?!
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jeannev
May. 10th, 2010 01:36 am (UTC)
If your partner is understanding and independent-minded himself/herself and also isn't abusive and/or controlling, there's no reason you can't be in a relationship while simultaneously trying to figure out your place in life.

Right, exactly! And for the most part, Clark is that. OK, I get that she feels he was being dismissive. But he also wasn't telling her to stay home and bake him a cake. When he said he had responsibilities he couldn't drop, its not like he told her that she wasn't allowed to pursue the story on her own. In this episode, she made it sound like he was holding her back, or demanding all her time and attention. And I just haven't seen any of that from Clark.

I'm not sure why Lois didn't catch a clue from what Martha said in the kitchen OR what Perry said, when he talked about not remembering a whole decade because he was drunk (while wistfully watching a dog go by). I just felt like she wasn't hearing what people were sharing with her.

Clark went on TV, for no reason other than because it's what she wanted, even though being the center of attention makes him deeply uncomfortable. That's what you do for the people you love sometimes -- suck up what might make you uncomfortable in the short run because there's something your loved one needs right at that moment.

All of that Yes! Do you know that Crossfire immediately sprang to my mind as well? I understand that she was cheesed off at Clark, and I understand that she was uncomfortable lying to Martha. But how she handled it sucked outloud.
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legendsinlove
May. 10th, 2010 02:45 am (UTC)
I don't think it needs to be said but I completely agree with you on the Chloe apology scene. It started off ok for me but then it got more and more infuriating that by the time she opened the window shade and the let the sun in I was rolling my eyes.

I think the show is going down the Triangle for Two path because they feel they should. Like, it's on their checklist of Superman Things That Must Be Done. The thing is, even on a show like Lois and Clark where Clark WAS Superman and it made sense for Lois to fall for Superman a little, they could only make that last for two seasons before they were like "Yeah, it's ridiculous, she needs to know". Smallville has no hope of carrying it all the way through the 10th season. I'm kinda hoping Erica's tweet was just being coy and in fact we do get a reveal in the finale. But I try not to hope too hard.
jeannev
May. 10th, 2010 03:16 am (UTC)
Well, I will say this for the Chloe apology scene...it was a very SV scene. SV has a habit of whiffing on the big dramatic payoff.

I think a lot of what this show does is stuff they think they should do. And I respect that they have a rough outline of a mythos to follow. But sometimes, it just becomes ridiculous, and feels like banging a square peg into a round hole. And thats precisely what dragging out this T-for-2 would be.
(Anonymous)
May. 10th, 2010 04:54 am (UTC)
Hostage works as a regular episode, but not as a lead-in to the season finale. I feel Sacrifice is more suited to that.

The last time we saw Martha was in the 6th season premiere and we haven't seen her since then until now. Her time in Washington, DC and with Lionel Luthor has extinguished all light from within her. I was hoping to see her reaction to his current Blur costume, but it looks like Martha may not create the actual suit come 10th season.

The end scene between Clark and Martha shows Martha's true reasons for returning. This ends the Checkmate/ Red Queen storyline, which I felt failed especially with Checkmate because that connected with Tess moreso than any other character.

You also revealed why I felt Clark and Lois are not connecting and it's Lois feels Clark is holding her back, which is not true because she had been spending more time with the Blur, whether it's Clark or Zod, than Clark himself.

I like it when Clark figured out that Martha was the Red Queen all by himself and that he got the Book of Rao from her. Also, Clark and Perry were not really connecting because I was hoping they'd talk about journalism as well.

Clark and Lois' breakup occurs at the same time that Clark and Chloe's friendship is truly restored. Superman/ Clark/ Lois are the heart of the Superman mythology, but Clark/ Chloe are the heart of Smallville.

The Tess/ Max Lord/ Oliver thing was both unnecessary and a waste.

I wonder that if Clark does decide to tell Lois his secret in the season finale, will they reconcile?

jeannev
May. 10th, 2010 03:31 pm (UTC)
Well, I'm not sure Hostage doesn't work for a lead-in. I mean, you have Martha giving Clark the Book of Rao, you have the Clois break-up, you have the Chloe epiphany. So, there are some elements there that work. I'm not sure I agree with Zod not being present though. I'm not a fan, but still, if he's the big finale, then he should be there.

I'm hoping that Checkmate plays a role in next season, because I think it has potential. But, yes, I think its done for this year.

Yeah, IDK, but it seems to me that Lois started pulling away first. I go back to the end of Upgrade, where she left Clark hanging to take a phone call from The Blur. Then we had Upgrade, where she's hiding things from him, and he's the one that shows up in her bad in the morning. So, color me a bit skeptical on this whole "Clark is a bad boyfriend who isn't giving Lois enough attention" thing.

For me, Clark Kent is the heart of Smallville. Just Clark. And all his relationships with the people around him.
brijeana
May. 10th, 2010 06:59 am (UTC)
However, how does Martha suddenly have the knowledge to know what the Book of Rao can do? That was pretty silly.

I thought it was silly too, until someone on a forum suggested that she knew b/c she's working with Martian Manhunter.

I liked it better when Tess seemed totally over her cheating ex-boyfriend, and was all too happy to call Oliver on his flaws. But Tess pining over Oliver, and suddenly being to blame for their falling out? I call shenanigans!

LOL! Yes! Since when does Tess love Oliver this much?! I guess this is the same as when Oliver suddenly loved Lois again after he hit rock bottom this season. *snort* Self-pity and nostalgia?

I hear you about Chloe and the apology but actions speak louder than words. Chloe saving Tess in "Sacrifice" was really not in line with Chloe's POV this season. It was much more in line with Clark's POV. I agree that she's skirting around her REAL reasons for not telling Clark about the book, but I DO think that Clark's good influence on her ... came through... maybe subconciously in the moment she saved Tess.

I didn't get the impression that Lois thought Clark was holding her back in general. But specifically in that moment he was getting in the way of her momentum. And I know it's because he's preoccupied with Zod and stuff but Lois doesn't know that. And so she senses this resistance and that Clark's not on board and he's not communicating why. So Lois takes impulsive action based on the past week (maybe?) of struggle while Clark is preoccupied. I don't think it's unreasonable for Lois to expect Clark to be on the same wavelength regarding their jobs. And if he's not, to communicate better about why he's not. I think he would have been more on board and more encouraging if he hadn't been distracted.

As much as Lois said by the end of the episode that she didn't want to run away... I think breaking up with Clark may have been running away. Maybe her comment by the end about NOT running away had to do with Clark as much as anything else. If not I'm fanwanking it!

When Martha and Lois were talking in the kitchen, and Martha was talking about finding her purpose by working side-by-side with Jonathan, I though Lois was going to realize that she can still be with the person she loves, AND be her own hero. But Lois seemed to go the other way, and....well, bottom line, it just really didn't work for me.

Wow that would have been good. It would have been nice to see Lois at least make that connection and think about Clark... even if she still went her own way.

I hear you on the "That's so Lois" moment. But seriously, the minute they sad down to awkwardly have dinner together I thought, "Oh no what's Lois going to do." I'm glad that it didn't play funny. I don't think she broke up with him lightly. I don't think it was intentionally cruel. And what she said to him really seemed to come from the heart.

I'm not looking forward to the Triangle of Two either.

Yes! regarding your hopes for Vala.

It would be so nice to see Annette and Michael again. How sweet was that Clark/Martha hug? <3

Tom is gorgeous.
jeannev
May. 10th, 2010 03:44 pm (UTC)
I don't think it's unreasonable for Lois to expect Clark to be on the same wavelength regarding their jobs. And if he's not, to communicate better about why he's not. I think he would have been more on board and more encouraging if he hadn't been distracted.

Really, I don't have a problem with any of that. But, lets remember their conversation was interrupted by Martha showing up. So, while Clark was dismissive, would he have snapped out of that when Lois said they should take a break? Yeah, I think he would have a bit. But he never really got the opportunity to.

I actually wanted to find a screencap of Clark hugging Martha, and put it in this post, and I would've if I wasn't so rushed. I love the way she's so tiny compared to him, and he just envelopes her.

And I think every SV post should begin and end with "Tom is gorgeous". LOL
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