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Escape Screentime Minutes & Deep Thoughts


Well, Smallville is back, and with an episode that I can, at best, categorize as Blah.  I don't know why SV has come back from its breaks with such weak episodes this year.  First Disciple, and now Escape.  I don't know, wouldn't you want to open BIG?

Guess not.

First, lets do the minutes:

Escape, Running Time:  41m, 41s

Clark;  18m, 41s
Chloe:  17m, 32s
Lois:  13m, 56s
Oliver:  9m, 46s
Tess:  6m, 42s
Zod:  8m, 19s

Season to Date:

Clark:  297m, 35s (16)
Chloe:  146m, 41s (16)
Lois:  226m, 51s (14)
Oliver:  137m, 44s(13)
Tess:  67m, 8s (11)
Zod:  82m, 9s (9)

Just for an added fun comparison:

This time, last season:

Clark:  331m, 37s
Chloe:  198m, 34s
Lois:  119m, 27s
Oliver:  83m, 18s
Tess:  87m, 4s
Jimmy:  83m, 19s
David:  71m, 27s

Now, onto to the review, such as it is



Once again this season, I come away thinking Tess was the best part of the episode.  And once again, she has hardly any screentime. 

I'm not entirely sure what to say about Escape, except to say I just didn't like it very much.  And in fact, I thought it was a bit boring.

See, all this 'shipper stuff just does nothing to me.  I'm sad to say that as this season progresses, Clois is working for me less and less (more of that later).  I totally don't get Chlollie, or why they are now spinning this as Oliver really falling for Chloe (fuck buddies would've been more interesting, and unique).  And while the scenes between Tess and Zod crackle with energy, I just really didn't want it to go down the sexual road.  And yet, there it went.

I feel like I'm 0-for-3.

Another big problem with this episode was the villian.  My God, how lame was that?  Why did they even bother with a DC character here?  What real purpose did it serve?  From what I understand, and have read, the Silver Banshee is a rather cool character.  But you wouldn't have known that from this episode.

Not only that, but her jumping from body-to-body, to include Chloe and Lois, just felt a bit like the Return of Dawn Stiles.  Only not as funny.

Clark was in this episode the most, and he looked great.  As always.  And I do love a shirtless, wet Tom.  But overall, I was really disappointed in his characterization in this episode.  Part of the problem for me is that I just think the show has him overly fixated on Lois.  Which isn't to imply that we didn't get a nod to him doing his hero thing in the beginning of the episode.  But its just I expected some sort of reaction from him when he discovered Chloe and Oliver at the Inn.  Especially when Chloe's snide remark made it clear that she considers it none of his business.  And maybe its not, but if two of your friends were having an affair, and they were hiding it from you, wouldn't you be....well, something?  I guess I'd wonder why they didn't tell me.  Maybe thats just me.

But mostly, I'm disappointed that Clark was taking Lois off to a place for sex, and yet there doesn't seem any inclination in him to be honest with her.  Nor is there any reason, or justifications, why he won't.  I guess I'm just not comfortable with a Clark that thinks its OK to have sex without being honest first.  Now, I have no issues with casual sex at all, but I just don't think its very Clark-like.  And yet having sex with Lois without getting to a place where he feels enough trust/faith/intimacy with her to be honest just feels wrong.  Very, very wrong.  Especially since the lying to her just doesn't even seem to be a glimmer in his brain.  And I think, ultimately, this is doing a lot to turn me off Clois.  Because I just really don't see where Clark is coming from.  Its like they want him all gung-ho for Lois on one side, with wanting to have sex, and talking about forevers, and sharing her with the world...but, they don't want her to know the truth because thats ICONIC or MYTHOS, or whatever such bullshit excuse they are using.  And I'm just not feeling the dichotomy.

Another problem I have?  Tom and Erica's stiff-lipped, close-mouthed, smash face kissing which is just odd to me. 

Clois is very cute, and light, and sparkly, but on the flipside, it doesn't feel very passionate, or deep, or urgent.  They seem like two people who enjoy each other, and have some fun together.  But a deep and abiding love of a lifetime?  I'm not feeling it.  And ironically, I was feeling it more before they became a couple.

I'm going to skip over Chlollie, because I just don't like it.  So, no reason to go into more.

I do think that last conversation from them just rubbed me wrong.  First off, when Chloe is talking about scars, and healing, why isn't she talking about HER DEAD HUSBAND?  Isn't that the wound that she should be healing from?  Not Clark.  And as for Oliver claiming he's all over Lois, he was just mooning over her 4 episodes ago.  Wow, that Oliver is a fast healer.

And one more thing in regards to Chlollie, did anyone really buy Lois' reaction to it?  She thinks this is great because they can double-date?  That came across as so false and ridiculous to me.  Who wants to double date with their ex-boyfriend who is now banging her cousin?  And not for nothing, but does Clark get a vote?

I'm officially over Lois and her silly costumes.  Since she didn't know they were going to a Scottish Inn, where did she even get that outfit?  And why would you bother dressing up if you were just planning on getting in the shower with your boyfriend and soaping him up?  Wouldn't a towel or robe have sufficed?

The Chlark shower scene was just weird, though Tom and Allison were both amusing.

I am glad they addressed the Clark/sex thing.

I was disappointed in how they handled the Clark/Banshee confrontation.  I couldn't even tell what was going on.  He was heat visioning her sounds waves?  Ah, Whut?  And then he gets blown back, and just lays on the floor while Chloe saves the day.  Thats so lame.

Onto the Tess/Zod stuff.  Well, to sum up for me, Tess Rulez, Zod Droolz..

No, really, I do enjoy the power play and all that.  But see, I just don't find CB's Zod to be the least big sexy, appealing or charming, so Tess having sex with him is kind of icky.  I also think he looks like he spits when he talks, and for some reason, I am so fixated on that when we get to his scenes.  Everytime he's all up in someones face (which is always!), I just can't stop imaging the flying spit. 

But really, Tess is awsome.  She's totally crazy-pants, and her fixation on Clark is still hard to define, and I'm stil not really sure what she wants or what her real agenda is.  But CF puts so much into this character.  No matter what she's doing, you always feel like there's another layer. 

As for CB's Zod, I'm not really a fan.  Plus, I just don't really know where the show is going with Zod right now.  I don't understand why he's now jealous of Clark being an inspiration to humans.  Why should Zod care what humans think?  Now, if Clark was having this sort of effect on Zod's people, the Kandorians, then I'd get it.  And honestly, I hope they are going there. 

I guess I just wanted it to mean something that Clark went to such extreme measures to save Zod's life.  I wanted him to ponder that, and wonder why someone that he thought of as an enemy would be that selfless.  But I didn't see any of that here, which just seems to make Zod a little flat for me.  Well, actually flatter then he's already been as a SV Big Bad. 

Which brings me to the end of our episode, and what could possibly be my least favorite scene.  We have Clois going back to theTalon, and so far so good.  Clark being agressive is very sexy (but the awkward kissing continues).  Lois gets a phone call, and OK, I get why she answered it.  But there she is, and she's standing not 5 ' away from Clark, and the dialogue they wrote for Lois was so over-the-top.  Why not a simple "Hey, its you"  "Sure, what do you need?" and "I'll see what I can dig up"?  And could Zod have sounded LESS like the Blur?  Lois didn't notice a different voice?  That whole sequence was just so oddly scripted, and directed.  It was a big fail for me.

Overall, I think Sparling is just not a favorite of mine.  She is very, very Chloe-fixated, and I think this episode showcased that in spades.  I also think this episode made it quite clear that any shady things Chloe has done, or is doing, are going to be glossed over, or justified.  I never really doubted that, because I didn't think in a million years the show would take Clark's side over hers.  But this episode just convinced me more that we are on barreling down that path. 

Better luck next week, but the preview looks troublesome..



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starry_dawn
Apr. 3rd, 2010 03:04 pm (UTC)
Aw, I'm sad you didn't like it. I really don't know what my "style" is when it comes to SV episodes. I feel like this past season, I've kinda been all over the place. I guess it's because S8's ending disappointed me so much (especially because I had built up so much expectation through the rest of the season) that I kind of lost faith in the show. So I'm just taking it episode by episode here, not really giving a damn about the bigger picture. It's sad in a way, but then again, it at least helps me enjoy some episodes here and there. I guess. :/
jeannev
Apr. 3rd, 2010 03:12 pm (UTC)
I totally understand that POV. In a lot of ways, I'm actually the same. I think I've really stopped hoping SV is going to be all that I think it can, and should, be. I feel a bit detached from the whole thing now. Its like, I still love it, and I still love Tom, and I still love Clark, but I'm not in love with it anymore.
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meldreamy
Apr. 3rd, 2010 03:48 pm (UTC)
I disagree on many points. First off, I thought the chemistry between Tom and Erica was through the roof in all of their scenes together. Now the constant negative comments about their kissing styles is so pointless and immature.. The Clark and Lois scenes totally stepped up from their Persuasion/Conspiracy situation. They decided to take their relationship to the next level. I believe they've been together for over 6 months now (in Smallville time). That's not rushing things. It's natural to feel the need to be intimate with your partner after such a long time of taking things slow. And Clark not telling Lois his secret doesn't bother me at all. He has his reasons, Lois also has her secrets and she doesn't seem to mind the part of mystery in their relationship. So why look for complications where there aren't any?

I agree on the Chlollie being dreadful. Boring as heck. Tess and Zod making out in the barn was very odd, but I do think their chemistry was undeniable (as always). Love their dynamic. (Now I hope the sex doesn't change it).

I can't stand the fact that Sparling seems to have a fascination with Chloe. And her portrayal was very off this week (Not that I have enjoyed miss Sullivan at any time this season).
jeannev
Apr. 3rd, 2010 04:06 pm (UTC)
Now the constant negative comments about their kissing styles is so pointless and immature.

Uh, what?

Look, I don't really know you, and I certainly have no problems with someone disageeing with my opinion. People do it all the time, and thats cool. But DO NOT come into my lj and insult my opinion. Disagree all you want. Talk about how much you love the scene. But if you can't do both respectfully, then this isn't the place for you. Are we clear on this?

It is my opinion that if Clark isn't at a point where he feels he can tell her his secret, then he's not at a point where he should be having sex with her. End of story.

He has his reasons

Which are? Can you please quote to me the reasons Clark has given, and what episode that occured in?

It is also my opinion that Tom and Erica are oddly awkward in their romantic scenes. I don't wish them to be, and I don't understand why they are. But this is how they come across to me.
svfan01
Apr. 3rd, 2010 04:02 pm (UTC)
I didn't hate it as much as you did. I thought the personal interactions between characters were strong, it was just the action parts that were subpar. I do agree that Sparling at times seems fixated on Chloe, which is definantly a big downer when it comes to the action stuff in the episode(ie couldn't Clark figure out how to fix the issue). As I pointed out on Ksite I think this is the type of episode that will be way more enjoyable once I have the power of a Fast Forward Button.

I am glad to see Chloe crack 9 minutes average screentime for no other reason I get annoyed when I hear people complain how "little" screentime she gets, as it stands now she has only gotten more ST in S6+8.
jeannev
Apr. 3rd, 2010 04:09 pm (UTC)
I don't even think I hated it. I just didn't like it. Its not like it angered me, or anything.

I think Sparling writes The Chloe Show. I think thats how she sees it. And really, she does a good job with Chloe. She's just not particularly strong with anyone else, most notably Clark.

I expect Chloe's screentime to pick up from now until the end of season.
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katyjane91
Apr. 3rd, 2010 04:39 pm (UTC)
I actually liked this epi a lot. Although, my expectations were pretty low going in because I gleaned from the preview clip that it was gonna be a very Chlollie episode.

And *sigh* I hate Chloe. And Ollie bores me. No offense to anyone liking them but the SV writers wrote it for our interpretation and that's mine.
When their scenes together aren't boring me their creeping me out. It's like two cousins kissing. Ewwwww.....

I did, however, LOVE the Clois in this episode. And I actually think Clark was done quite well. But, again, that's just me.
And yeah, what was with Lois putting on an outfit to take a shower.
Pointless pandering to the teenage boys, much?
It's the same thing that they always do with the Lois/Tess scenes.

The final fight against the Banshee was directed TERRIBLY. I literally said, "Uh....where's Lois", out loud to no one.

And, ITA about the body switching. What was the point? To get Chloe and Clark naked together? The ship has SAILED, guys. Seriously, you don't have to keep throwing out the yearly nugget to Chlark fans now, writers. They left. That room is empty.

I also totally wanted Zod/Tess and their scenes together bored me! What happened to the chemistry from 'Savior'? This episode was very boring besides the Clois, for me.

What else? Oh, yeah, I agree that it's sort of...mmm, something that Clark hasn't told Lois his secret yet. And, although I have a fairly resonable theory as to why (I won't bore you with the details)I do wish he would mention that he hasn't.
But, then again, who would he mention it to?
But I do like that they feel like they can have secrets from each other. I don't like that they have secrets, but I like that they feel like they can. Does that make any sense?

Anyway, pretty good episode. I liked one storyline but I liked it so much that it saved the epi. Any scene with Chloe I honestly just tuned out because she enrages me now.
And great review, I love how honest and unapologetic you are about your feelings on things :)
jeannev
Apr. 4th, 2010 01:00 am (UTC)
I think my expectations were also low going in. I'm just not sure they were low enough.

See, I don't hate Chloe. I'm not pleased with her character, and her attitude towards Clark drives me NUTS! But I don't hate her. I just think that the thrown together Chlollie is a bit ridiculous. But more than that, I don't quite get the point of it. It feels very much a bone thrown to the disgruntled Chloe fans.

Erica is obviously a beautiful woman with an amazing body. I just don't think that should be a reason to constantly come up with costumes to put her in to show that off. Truthfully, I think she looks most stunning and sexy in her DP work clothes.

The direction of this whole ep was off, wasn't it? Like I noticed that there were 3 establishing shots of the McDougal Inn sign. As though we might forget where they were?

I think I would've preferred a straight up, one person Silver Banshee. In fact, I think we would've had a better story if the seemingly mild mannered Innkeeper was actually the Banshee, and let all 4 of them investigate toghether, or something like that.

And its OK to theorize on why Clark won't tell Lois. I wouldn't be bored :)

I always try to be honest with my reviews, and I'm really coming at it with no agenda at all but being a Clark fan. I know I'm not everyones cup of tea, but what you see is what you get :)
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jeannev
Apr. 4th, 2010 01:00 am (UTC)
I've been there. Sometimes, it just doesn't seem worth it to review. I'm really sad when I feel that way about SV.
x_pixilated_x
Apr. 3rd, 2010 06:20 pm (UTC)
Big Ass Comment
There should be more Clark/Chloe heroing and it should last for more than two minutes.

Tess is awesome. I would gladly kneel before her of my own volition. I just don’t get the point of her other than a stand in for Lex. The lack of Clark/Tess interaction and the BIG REVEAL is really pissing me off too. She knows his secret and he knows she knows and yet NOTHING is happening between them. Yeah, Tess is making Plans, but Clark seems to have completely forgotten about her existence!! That’s not just a slap in the face to Tess (cause Tess is dangerous and deserves to be treated as such) it’s a big F@$! YOU! to all Clark/Lex fans. For years, YEARS we watched Clark and Lex’s relationship fail, watched as Clark didn't say a bollocking THING after Belle Reve and now everyone and their freaking GRANDMA is in on the secret?! And Clark couldn’t give two shits.

ARGHHHH!!

The costume was horrifyingly bad wasn’t it? The whole ep was cliché: couple get away to a nice little retreat and become embroiled in a murder mystery/haunting. If they tried a little harder it could have worked a lot better (right in the middle I thought ‘hey wait! This is an SPN fic! Only not as good). Confused me aswell. Lois was Banshee, Banshee was hit with HV, Banshee gets lit up and Lois...disappears?

I watched Obsession cause Clark being a dork is adorable and I noticed that the interaction between him and Alicia is a lot more real than Clois. The writers are being too forceful.
It’s like Clark has one of those word-a-day things, only with god awful one liners.

but, they don't want her to know the truth because thats ICONIC or MYTHOS, I’d say it’s a bit late to worry about that isn’t it?

First off, when Chloe is talking about scars, and healing, why isn't she talking about HER DEAD HUSBAND? The other day I was like ‘where the hell is Jimmy?’, took me a few minutes to remember they shish kabobbed him.

Lastly, I was over at IMDB and got confused about why I couldn't find any more details for 'Restitution' *facepalm&pouts*
svfan01
Apr. 3rd, 2010 06:38 pm (UTC)
Re: Big Ass Comment
Lastly, I was over at IMDB and got confused about why I couldn't find any more details for 'Restitution' *facepalm&pouts*


I believe "restitution" was just an idea jeannev came up with to do an episode of your own(sort of like a fanfic)
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byrka62
Apr. 3rd, 2010 09:29 pm (UTC)
Clark has always had the most screentime. Thats how it should be, it wouldn't make sense if someone else had the most time on screen. Thats not a bad thing, Tom Welling's gorgeous, and the show IS about him.
jeannev
Apr. 4th, 2010 01:08 am (UTC)
He had a good amount of screentime. No complaints there for me. I just wish they had written him a bit better.

Tom is STUNNING!, and I so agree with you, this show is about Clark, and should always be about Clark. And if certain writers aren't on board with that, then why are they working for this show?
la_belle_isa
Apr. 4th, 2010 12:32 am (UTC)
I agree with your sentiment. I didn't hate it; it was just meh. And really, I feel like G. Sparling:
1- doesn't really watch the show: so suddenly, Chloe doesn't hate Clark that much? When did that happen?
2- is 12= I was appalled by the clois. I mean, their first night together, they tuck into the bed sheets and Lois fell asleep? It's totally unrealistic and VERY immature. That's what I thought grown-ups were doing in bed when I was a kid. If a girl is so not excited that she falls asleep on her first night with her boyfriend, well, she should dump him. And the guy should dump her too. Anyway, if clois breaks up, I'm sure it will be out of boredom. Lois in costume is also getting out of control.
Also, the yearly Chloe declaration that she's over Clark, ugh. Who cares!?
So Jor-El taught self-control to Clark in sexual matters? ROFL! Now that's a scene I would have love to see instead of Oh, I don't know, any Oliver scene. I understand that this explaination is as good as any, I just find it funny.
Thanks for the screentime! Looks like part of Clark's screentime this season have been transferred to Oliver. Whoop-dee-doo.
I just had another confirmation that that writer sees Clark as a freakin object. She ripped him in half last season, and now he's in the role of "Prince Charming" saying inanities like: "I'll wait for you forever Lois" "You always surprise me Lois". And I believe the clois jealousy scene is now mandatory in every episode.
//Another problem I have? Tom and Erica's stiff-lipped, close-mouthed, smash face kissing which is just odd to me.//
I noticed that Tom winced during a kiss before the shower scene. He did that too with Maxima last season. I wonder why.
jeannev
Apr. 4th, 2010 01:12 am (UTC)
I think Sparling is just Chloe fixated. Thats obviously her POV character. I don't think I've liked any of her eps, but I can't remember which ones she wrote, so maybe I shouldn't commit to that :P

You make a damned good point...why the hell was Lois so fixated on talking about Chlollie that she did it for 3 hours, then fell asleep, with Clark laying next to her. Where is the passion there? Meanwhile, I have no doubts that Chlollie went back to their room, and fucked like rabbits. Its just off.

I just wish they hadn't made it seem like Clark had done something wrong for not loving back, and not "getting her".

I do like Clark saying nice things to his girlfriend. I just think they go a bit overboard with it, and I just wish it felt more passionate and sincere.
(Anonymous)
Apr. 4th, 2010 12:55 am (UTC)
Genevieve Sparling clearly writes for Chloe and it shows in her past episodes such as Progeny, Beast, and Roulette, which was Oliver centric. She clearly cannot write Clark unless it's with Chloe or someone else. This episode was not the right episode to start off the final batch of episodes of the season. It deserved the lowest rating ever.
jeannev
Apr. 4th, 2010 01:15 am (UTC)
Ah, thanks, I was just wondering which eps she wrote. And yup, all with a very Chole-centricity. Even though she wasn't much in Roulette, the ending made her role very important.

I haven't seen the ratings yet. Was it that bad? I'm not surprised. Between the lack of publicity, the showrunners and actors not getting out there and banging the drum, and the lack of a hook to this ep, I'm not surprised that people forgot it was on, or gave it a pass.
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agentobrian
Apr. 4th, 2010 01:11 am (UTC)
Average screentime:

Clark- 18m, 36s
Chloe- 9m, 10s
Lois- 16m, 12s
Oliver- 9m, 50s
Tess- 6m, 10s
Zod- 9m, 8s

"I don't know why SV has come back from its breaks with such weak episodes this year. First Disciple, and now Escape. I don't know, wouldn't you want to open BIG?"

I'm not sure, either, but I'm guessing that this was originally going to be the last episode before the hiatus, but they pushed it back to after the hiatus once the other episodes were delayed.

"See, all this 'shipper stuff just does nothing to me."

Me either. I like when the ships I follow have nice moments in an episode, but not when an episode is all about the ships, with a lame plot/villain thrown in to try and disguise that fact.

"Why did they even bother with a DC character here?"

They've been tossing in a lot of DC villains the last couple of seasons, and often times there's been no point to that whatsoever. There have been successes (the Wonder Twins being one of the best), but more often than not, it feels like TPTB are grasping at straws and throwing shiny toys at the audience to distract from otherwise lame plots.

They're catering less to the fans of SV, and more to the comic fans, which IMO is not very smart.

"The Chlark shower scene was just weird, though Tom and Allison were both amusing."

I hated that scene. I thought it was in bad taste. It was probably my least favorite part of the episode.

"Overall, I think Sparling is just not a favorite of mine. She is very, very Chloe-fixated, and I think this episode showcased that in spades."

As a Chloe fan, that's why she's my favorite writer. I think every major character needs to have one writer in their corner that understands the character the best. Now if only there was a writer who could write Clark like that (wishful thinking, I know).

"But CF puts so much into this character. No matter what she's doing, you always feel like there's another layer."

CF is a huge part of why Tess works as a character. I don't think Tess would have survived for long if they had cast someone else for the part. Even with a less than desirable amount of ST, she makes Tess a pleasure to watch.

Yet another great review. I look anxiously forward to the next one.
jeannev
Apr. 4th, 2010 01:19 am (UTC)
Thanks for the averages. You rock out with those, BTW. :)

I think they're a bit out of control on the DC characters. If you can't use them in a meaningful manner, then don't freaking bother. At this point, it feels like name dropping.

I do think they are going for the comic fans now. But in doing so, I think they've left their non-comic fans behind a bit. I think Waller/Checkmate is a prime example. I am excited to see where its going, but at the same time, her name alone doesn't send me into spasms.

As a Chloe fan, that's why she's my favorite writer.

And you know, I get that. I don't begrudge Chloe fans embracing her.

Now if only there was a writer who could write Clark like that (wishful thinking, I know).

HA! You're funny.


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(Anonymous)
Apr. 4th, 2010 02:36 am (UTC)
Britas15
I really enjoyed your review. As always, it was a great read.

As you probably already know, I agree with most of what you've said, especially with the 0-for-3 thing regarding the "couples."

To be quite honest, the more I think about "Escape," from "Clois," to "Chlollie," to "Zodess," the more I feel like I need a scalding hot shower. Every couple's dynamic -- for different reasons, of course -- just felt...cheap, and base, and lowest-common-denominator-ish. All of it just...I feel dirty; almost violated. (I know that may not make sense, but it's the only way I can describe it.)

And, to be honest, I don't think that I've felt this way since Spike attempted to rape Buffy. So, that I'm feeling in a very similar manner after having watched "Escape," should tell you where I'm at with this show right now. (For the record, though: Whedon's creative decisions with regard to sex, I understood; "Smallville"'s, I really, really do not.

Anywho, I hope to be able to respond more coherently and more constructively in the next day or two. Thanks for the review!
jeannev
Apr. 4th, 2010 03:04 am (UTC)
Re: Britas15
Thanks. I know I don't always say the popular thing. But I have to express my real opinion, or why would I bother doing this at all? I'm OK with running in my own herd, so to speak.

I don't think the sex thing bothered me on the same level as you. But make no mistakes, it bothes me. Well, the Clois thing bothers me. Chlollie and Zodess boinking doesn't really have a ton of impact on me, because Clark isn't involved.

I'll be looking forward to hearing more of your thoughts.
gildinwen
Apr. 4th, 2010 04:37 am (UTC)
I have no idea why thy're trying to spin it as Ollie falling for Chloe either since we KNOW that he's destined to be with Dinah (Sp?)/ Black Canary, and that she's his soulmate.

It just screams of throwing a bone to the Chloe fans, and it makes my teeth itch like you wouldn't believe.

You say that Sparling doesn't write anyone but Chloe well, and while that's understandable- approaching canon characters may be very daunting, and it's probably easier to write for Chloe since you can more or less slot into anywhere you want since she's not a canon character, shouldn't we be beyond this by now. Shouldn't the fact that sometimes Chloe centric episodes are the lowest rated, tell the Producers something?

And don't get me started on Lois not knowing the secret. Comics!Lois and Clark have been married for nearly 15 years. And Smallville, has played fast and loose with mythos, so I have no idea why Lois can't know. *headdeak*

And the preview for next week, isn't doing anything to allay my fears that, Chloe's actions over the season, will be whitewashed.
jeannev
Apr. 4th, 2010 05:09 am (UTC)
Yeah, I'm not quite sure when Oliver went so ga-ga over Chloe. Its not entirely convincing to me. I mean, Dinah isn't on the show, so I get them ignoring that. But really, there's been nothing between Chloe and Oliver, and now suddenly he's hopelessly smitten? Ah, whatever Show.

I just know, for me, taking into consideration Clark's history on this show, I'm just not comfortable with him going into another serious relationship while lying to the person he supposedly would wait forever for. It just does not compute to me.

I wasn't sold on next weeks preview either, but I'm hoping for a lot of Tess.
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goodvibe
Apr. 4th, 2010 11:26 am (UTC)
I don't have to say how much I'm with you on the 'Clark-not-telling-Lois' thing, do I? Because, suffice to say, I'm nodding like a bobblehead head here.

//They seem like two people who enjoy each other, and have some fun together. But a deep and abiding love of a lifetime? I'm not feeling it. And ironically, I was feeling it more before they became a couple.//

Oddly enough, I've enjoyed pre-couple!Clois more too, for the most part. And you're right, they have their fun, sparkly moments now, and they seem to enjoy each others company, and I'll personally even go so far as to say they both care for each other very deeply (I'm going off their entire post S7 arc here) but it doesn't quite feel as real as it should. And for me, I can pin point exactly why, and it all boils down to the secret issue. Because it's all very well and refreshing that Clois are cute and non!angsty, but that's all it's going to be, and there's always going to be a serious lack of depth here until Clark comes clean, and Lois embraces it. Because ::that:: then, will be the ::real:: starting point to their relationship. As for the kisses, for me, it's not so much a problem of chemistry, on the whole, but rather, an awkwardness when it comes to the kissing scenes specifically. Because they've been very hit or miss so far, leaning towards the miss this season, with the exception from a couple from 'Idol' and 'Pandora.' Maybe it's an actors thing? Clearly TW and ED click and share good great rapport, but perhaps they're too comfortable? And unable to get in to the kissing side of things? No? I got nuthin then---

Chlollie just flat out bugged. Together and individually. And I hadn't put this in perspective before but you're right about this writer. She's very 'Chloe-is-the-central-focal-point.' Even the talk of Chlark came from ::her:: POV as the somehow sympathetic one. WTF?! It's as if we were back in S2 or S5, and being made to blame Clark for not being in love with Chloe. No thank you.
jeannev
Apr. 4th, 2010 04:08 pm (UTC)
I watched the Clois scenes from this ep again last night, to see if I could articulate my POV better. But really, its just more of a feeling I get.

As for their kissing scenes, well, I know its a matter of preference. But to break it down to something basic, I just don't see them kiss and believe any tongues are mingling here. Its like closed lips meets closed lips. If I go back and watch scenes of Tom kissing Kristin, or Sarah Carter, is all open mouthed, soft lips.

But another problem I have is that I'm not feeling the passion. Lets take the first Clois bedroom scene. He's sweetly making up the bed, but he's dressed in flannel pants and a t-shirt (why not shirtless, in boxers?). She comes out in her pretty little nightie, and he compliments her. Then, instead of going to each other, and touching and kissing, until they tumble into the bed together (Sexy!), we get them getting into bed together awkwardly, fully clothed, then talking about sleeping. Its cute, its sweet. But passionate and sexy? Well, not so much. Then we hear that they went back to the room after seeing Chlollie, and Lois talked for 3 hours and went to sleep? Wow, she must really want Clark, eh?

So, you know what I mean? Its like that sense of "I want you, I must have, I can't keep my hands off you" just isn't there at all. And for this Great Love Of A Lifetime thing, I need to see that.

That last Chlollie scene was written as though Clark had done something wrong for not loving Chloe, with Oliver sympathetically agreeing. And really, just No!
goodvibe
Apr. 4th, 2010 04:59 pm (UTC)
I definitely see what you're saying. And comparisons make the lack of passion in certain scenes even more glaring. Like, in this season alone, I've seen plenty urgency of passion from Clois towards each other in moments from 'Rabid' (the rain scene, the final loft scene), 'Crossfire' (when Clark is flrting with Lois over the camera) and 'Conspiracy' (the DP scene with Clark' "hello"). So it's not like, IMO, they can't manage it. But the actors/directors are for the most part, inexplicably, choosing not to. ITA about the bedroom scene, in fact I was just commenting to LaT in my lj, that for the life of me I couldn't figure out, especially from Lois' side, how she was able to resist jumping Clark, heh. I'll admit though, that aside from my reservations, like yourself, on the kiss, I did quite like the Talon scene. I thought you could actually see some urgency of feeling there. But clearly, for a new couple, it's definitely not enough.
(Anonymous)
Apr. 4th, 2010 07:00 pm (UTC)
Britas15, back again. (1 of 2)
How are you?

I’ve watched “Escape” four times, and I am convinced that my initial reactions were totally justified. The episode was messy and clumsy and disjointed, for lots of different reasons. For now, though, I’ll just get the Lois and Clark stuff off of my chest, and I’ll comment on the other stuff later on.

Alright, I’m gonna call a spade, a spade: Welling and Durance lack the kind of physical chemistry and compatibility that can translate to the screen as anything meaningful and convincing. Welling very obviously just isn’t into it. And Durance just very obviously isn’t equal to the task. Like you, I don’t get fire, magnetism, passion, urgency, and insistence between this Lois and this Clark. Sure, they’re cute and light and funny, but their physicality just never quite hits the appropriate note. And that they’re so off-key undermines the notion that this Lois and this Clark are the end-all-be-all for both each other, and for this show.

As you pointed out, in the first night scene, Clark is dressed in loungewear, and Lois is dressed in a nightie. That’s totally uneven; either they both should have been in regular pajamas (which at least could’ve conveyed intimacy and comfort and closeness; and could have made the potential sex feel far more natural and organic), or Clark should have at least had his shirt off. Moreover, they both knew that sex was on the table. So, when they each just crawl into bed together and wait for the other person to make a move, it comes across like neither one of them is driven enough by the want of the other person to just let instinct take over and go for it. And if there isn’t something instinctual and needy about this couple, then what makes them so damn special?

On the second night, Lois dresses up as a Scottish lassie, and intends to role-play a bit with Clark. And, frankly, that’s just crass. That Lois thought that silliness and surprises and role-playing were appropriate for the very first time she was going to sleep with Clark is terribly disappointing. And that Clark was obviously into it was all the more disappointing. As Oliver put it when he ran into banshee-Lois in the hallway, Lois and Clark seemed like they were having some “fun.” And, seriously, “fun”? Wow. When Lois and Clark’s first night of physical intimacy comes down to “fun,” something’s very, very wrong with the writing.

And on the third night, Lois and Clark arrive back at the Talon, and Clark pauses for a moment, and then puts Lois on the countertop. There was nothing loving about that move. It seemed as mechanical and matter-of-fact as any person who goes over to a sex buddy’s home and promptly tells the sex buddy to hop up on the counter and strip naked. He didn’t seem drawn to Lois; he seemed attracted to her. And he didn’t even seem all that attracted to her; he just seemed to find her attractive. Furthermore, he didn’t seem to want to make love with her; he seemed to want to have sex with her. The fact that he playfully told Lois to answer her phone said it all for me: Clark wants to be sexual with Lois; not intimate.

To me, overall, “Escape” sent the message that Clark just wants to fuck his girlfriend. It felt like Clark just realized that he can safely screw a human, and so, now, he’s totally eager about screwing the human that he’s most interested in. And, for me, just because you love someone doesn’t mean that you’re making love to or with that person. Does that make sense? I’m trying to say that when sex is more about the “I” than about the “we,” when it’s more about pleasure than about intimacy, when it’s more about want than about need, then it doesn’t matter how one feels about his or her sexual partner, because, essentially, he or she isn’t in it to make love (which is an inherently selfless and empathetic thing); he or she is in it to get off.
(Anonymous)
Apr. 4th, 2010 07:00 pm (UTC)
Britas15, back again. (2 of 2)
In this episode, I didn’t get love, or even lust, from Lois and Clark. I only got that they want to sleep together. And that seems to fly in the face of what this show has been saying about Lois and Clark being so exceptional, and so important, and so worth caring about.

Both the acting and the scripting undermined Lois and Clark in “Escape.” And if things are going to continue in this manner, then I fail to see why I should have the opinion of this couple that the show wants me to.

If “Escape” really wanted to show me two people who are in love, and who want to make love to each other, then I would have gotten moments that conveyed a sense of physical caring and physical compassion between them. Not just Clark (on the first night) or Lois (on the second night) trying to set the mood (according only to what he or she believed to be the appropriate mood to be setting; and, not for nothin’, each of their moods was very wrong). I would have seen Clark stroking Lois’s cheek while she slept; or Lois lightly touching Clark’s hair while he slept. I would have seen kisses that landed somewhere other than on the mouth. Kisses on hands, and cheeks, and brows, and temples say a lot about physical/emotional attraction, interest, and care. But, to date, I’ve seen neither Lois nor Clark kiss each other anywhere but on the lips. And that says more about sex, than about love. (Remember how Jonathan was always touching Martha’s face and hair, and kissing her cheek, and running his hands over her arms and back, and holding her and rocking her?)

Moreover, like you, I just wish that everything about Lois and Clark felt more natural, and sincere, and fluid. And I can’t possibly get that feeling when the physical attraction between the two seems so one-sided. All in all, Clark seems to both find Lois attractive, and to be attracted to her. But Lois only seems to find Clark attractive; she doesn’t seem to be attracted to him. And all of that unevenness and out-of-tune-ness makes Lois and Clark seem like any other couple that’s tried and failed on this show.

I hear tons of drippy, schmaltzy sentiments from Clark. I hear him talking to Lois about “forever” every chance that he gets. But I don’t see him giving a flying fuck about just how much lying he’s doing to his always-and-forever love interest, or about how much intending to sleep with her without letting her make an informed decision directly contradicts and very nearly invalidates the “forever” kinds of feelings that he claims to have for her. (Clark needs a visit from ghost-Jonathan, so that ghost-Jonathan can set him straight.)

And I see Lois acting like an unsure, uninterested, virgin bride one night; and then, like an impish sex fiend the next night. And no matter whether she’s behaving one way or the other, I never get any more than Lois looking at Clark like “Gee, he’s swell” all the damn time. And that sends the message that she intends to sleep with him because she likes him and admires him; not because she loves him, and not because she feels anything all that physical for him.

Lastly, I just want to say that I’m deeply bothered by the fact that so much about Lois and Clark’s dialogue feels like a slap across the face. In “Persuasion,” Clark’s line to Lois about them continuing to be honest with each other was a total sucker punch. And then, in “Escape,” Clark tells Lois, “Well I guess I’ll just have to get used to sharing you with the world.” Ugh. That one made me want to vomit. Is Clark really this much of an asshole? Is he really letting Lois believe that he’s sharing her with the world, when, as we all know, Lois has no fucking clue that the exact opposite is happening -- that she’s sharing him with the world and that he’s lying his ass off about that?

I’m just not digging Lois and Clark as a couple right now. Not at all.
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