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Smallville's S9: The End of the Line?


Just in case anyone wasn't aware, the CW gave some of its shows an early renewal.

Smallville wasn't one of them.

Now, that doesn't mean that Smallville isn't coming back for a S10.  It just means that we don't have any indication one way or the other.  And I think it also means that we might have to contemplate that this season could be Smallville's last.

So, I'm throwing these questions out to all....

Is it possible for the show to bring itself to a satisfying conclusion with the time it has left in S9? 

What do you need to see happen in the 8 episodes left?

Do you think the 13 episodes that have aired so far were what a final season should contain? 

If this is the final season, do you think Smallville will end with a Bang, or a Whimper?

Let us discuss... 


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tjw_jaypat
Feb. 18th, 2010 10:56 pm (UTC)
Nothing in S9 indicates that this is the last season. If it were, we Clark fans would be screwed for sure. That means whimper, not bang. Besides, I am planning on another Vancouver vacation. So there must be an S10! ;))
jeannev
Feb. 19th, 2010 01:25 am (UTC)
Thats pretty much how I feel. That as a Clark fan, I'd feel screwed if the show ends with this season. So many eps where Clark felt like a supporting player. So little POV from him. Eps that were focused on things that had NOTHING to do with Clark.

My vote would also be Whimper.
lexalicious70
Feb. 18th, 2010 11:08 pm (UTC)
I believe I read somewhere that not all the contract negotiations had been worked out yet, so that's why it hadn't been listed. I think they're trying to get Tom to sign for a final season, and it hasn't been settled yet. Hang in there!
tjw_jaypat
Feb. 18th, 2010 11:13 pm (UTC)
Tom already signed for 2 more seasons after S8.
lexalicious70
Feb. 18th, 2010 11:17 pm (UTC)
I did read that contracts for all the actors hadn't quite been finalized, (maybe it's someone other than Tom); that might be why it wasn't able to be listed as a solidly confirmed return. Even so, I doubt it's going anywhere. I hope Clark fans get their happy ending in any case. :)
jeannev
Feb. 19th, 2010 01:28 am (UTC)
I think Tom's contract is settled. Though you never really know. The reality is that none of us know the language of his contract, and what sort of clauses might be in it. But I really don't think he's the problem. I think he signed for 2 seasons with the guarantee that his production company would be backed by WB.

I do, however, think the shows overall budget might be a big issue.
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tariel22
Feb. 18th, 2010 11:36 pm (UTC)
There is no way for the show to come to a satisfying conclusion in S9, which is the main reason I'm hoping desperately that the show gets renewed (the other being that this will probably be my last chance to see Tom in front of the cameras). The season is all but written already, and none of the spoilers I've read indicate anything but business as usual. And as much as I have enjoyed S9, I think very little of it has been focused on Clark's journey.

I'm terrible at saying what should happen on any show, but you always have great ideas, so I look forward to reading those. But I want to see Clark wrestle with the bigger issues Superman will face, and come to some definite conclusions about where he stands. Things like making life or death decisions for others, how to deal with not being able to save everyone, continuing to explore the balance between his two identities, and figuring out who among his friends belongs in what world. I want to know what sacrifices Clark will have to make to take those final steps to putting on the suit, and how he comes to decide his destiny is worth it. And for Smallville's Clark Kent in particular, how he deals with the fact that his best friends don't seem to believe in the moral code Superman lives to uphold.

I still don't really understand why this Clark is so reluctant to become Supes, and why he still can't fly. It seems like all the pieces are in place, and of course the comic book version of Clark never faced a journey of this extended length. I want his obstacles defined, explored, and then resolved before the show is over, and not in 20 minutes.

Selfishly, I'd also like to see all the elements of the Superman legend come together before the end: Martha back in Clark's life in a meaningful way, Perry and Jimmy at the DP, Lex back in the picture, that sort of thing. But that would all be icing on the cake.

I think if the season ends with S9, I will be left forever disappointed and angry. On some level I feel like hoping for another season is rewarding bad behavior on Kelly and Brian's part, for just acting like S10 was a given in all their planning for the show, but of course I want what I want, and only another season has any hope of giving that to me.

But it had better BE the final season, announced that way from the get-go, and written to give this character and this series a glorious conclusion.
jeannev
Feb. 19th, 2010 02:48 am (UTC)
I'm really skeptical that S9 could bring the show to a satisfying conclusion. I guess it might be possible...if every ep left is heavily Clark-centric, and deals with some of the issues that need to be dealt with. But then I look at the spoilers, and I just don't see it.

And I can't help but think of the way the storyline with Zod has been dealt with (or really, hasn't been dealth with, I should say), and now they are bringing in Amanda Waller and Checkmate? Not to mention a return appearance by Metallo? And Silver Banshee? I mean, doesn't that seem to crowded to do the justice to Clark's story? It does to me. Not to mention SV's supporting cast, and their plots.

I mean, they started this season with Clark training with Jor-El, and contemplating why he can't fly, and saying that he can't let the "Clark Kent" part of his life interfere with that, and when was the last time we even touched on all this? I don't even know if Clark is still training. Shouldn't I know that?

I'm annoyed that KS & BP didn't take this season as the possible end more seriously. I'm annoyed that they wasted time with Oliver's sidekick and his big scary enemy (who was laughable).

I haven't really decided how I'd answer the questions I asked. I just know that I'd be disappointed if this season was how the show ended. Even if the next 8 eps were kick-ass, I think I'd still lament how much time with wasted in the first 13.
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jeannev
Feb. 19th, 2010 04:23 am (UTC)
I hope I didn't contribute to your insanity. LOL

But I thought it might help a little if we talked it out a bit. I don't know, maybe I think it will help us a bit, just in case it doesn't go our way.

I wonder if there is an all about Clark left in these writers. Even if they knew it was the last season.

I can't believe that there are no insiders out there that are leaking some info. You'd think someone would hear something, ya know?
theninthdoctor
Feb. 18th, 2010 11:53 pm (UTC)
I think, especially with #21 having Martha and Perry in it, if they can secure Michael Rosenbaum for episode #22 and wrap it up (that's kind of a must for me), they could do it.

I do think it was a very, very bad idea to go into Season 9 with the assumption they'll get a Season 10. I was afraid of this as soon as the "Season 10" talk started. A lot of episodes and stories have been wasted instead of giving us a feeling of wrap-up.

Actually, I have a strong feeling they will be announcing a S10 pick-up once the new pilots are in and they see how financially feasible (or not) it would be to give SV more time. But then I have this fear that the producers will start with pushing a "Season 11" at Comic-Con and... no. Just no.

Nine years is a long time for any show to last, so I don't think anyone can say "it was never given a chance." But I do think the first priority should've been to create a spectacular Season 9 to at least get closer to wrapping it up, rather than assuming this was Year 1 of two years available.
jeannev
Feb. 19th, 2010 04:34 am (UTC)
I really hope that if it ends this season, they are doing all they can to get MR for the finale. I don't really know, but he's not tied up with another project, is he?

It certainly helps that they are bringing back Martha and Perry. At least for some closure there. It doesn't make up for the time they've wasted, or will waste in the upcoming eps (and going by the spoilers, they're going to waste time), but it helps.

I cringed everytime KS & BP would talk about a S10, because it just felt like they weren't taking it seriously that this could be the last season. And why wouldn't they? It just seems so foolish.

I think Tom got his production company for signing for 2 more years. I doubt they have anything more to offer him to get him to sign for more. And I've never been so sure that he's anxious to leave life in front of the cameras behind for life in back of the cameras then I am now.

I would've been perfectly happy for SV to go out with S9...if they had treated this season like it was the last from 9x01 to 9x22.
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chatchien
Feb. 19th, 2010 12:18 am (UTC)
Is it possible for the show to bring itself to a satisfying conclusion with the time it has left in S9?

Story wise, I suppose so. Clark puts on the suit and flies---that is the End Line. But I wouldn't be satisfied. I like watching the show and talking about it on LJ. NO Season 10 and it all goes bye bye.


Me Weeping at the Loss of my SV LJ Internets Social Life. Damn you Dawn Assteroff!

What do you need to see happen in the 8 episodes left?

A spoiler vulture told me that M and P are coming back at the end of the season. Throw in Lex and Lana and I'll be happy.

If this is the final season, do you think Smallville will end with a Bang, or a Whimper?

It will end in a glorious rush of wind that lifts and flaps the red cape of Superman while heroic music plays in the background and Superman rests his large and capable hands on his slim but well defined hips. And the camera will rove from his barrel like chest with its muscle definition to his back where the uplifted cape will reveal lushly rounded buttocks made of steel and nutcracker thighs. And then back to his clear stern face with his gentle eyes and soft red lips. I could continue but I'll wait for the screen cap.
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beef_wonder3
Feb. 19th, 2010 01:08 am (UTC)
Personally I want Season 10.
A few years ago I wouldn't have said so, as I doubt most of us would at that time, but it's really turned itself around I actually get excited waiting for the next ep.

I think with what they've done this Season, they need a S10 to finish properly. I think this season they need to round up the Kandorian storyline as well as push another arc along the lines of 'Checkmate doing stuff, what's Checkmate, why are they doing this?"
Building it up to an Apkololiptian reveal at the end and then the S10 Big Bad being Darkseid threatening the Earth and Clark stepping from Metropolis-Saviour to Earth-Saviour.

That's what I'd like to happen anyway, which is entirely based on one line from Agent Waller where she said "apocalypse" but when asked on twitter Geoff Johns confirmed he indeed meant Apokolips.
I may have been reading into it a little too much *g*
jeannev
Feb. 19th, 2010 05:06 am (UTC)
I want S10 now too. But my feelings about why are a bit different from yours. For me, its because I've been a little disappointed in what we've seen for far in S9 that I think we need a S10 to finish it right.

I'm not sure why they've left so much of the Kandor/Zod story off the air, and now they're going to have to bring it back to the fore just when they are also introducing a Checkmate/Waller storyline? I don't know. It feels unnecessarily crowded, and where is there time for Clark Kent focus in here. I mean, yes, him battling villians is a part of his storyline. But its not the whole of his story, and I'm not so sure its the most important aspect of it at this point.
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huzzlewhat
Feb. 19th, 2010 02:19 am (UTC)
I'd like to pretty much echo what latxcvi says here. I actually think enough groundwork has been laid about the dual identity stuff that they could resolve it within an episode or two, of Clark actually making the decision. It's been a theme, but it's been backgrounded, pretty much in case they needed to draw it out longer. And I think the one big thing that "Absolute Justice" accomplished that has real bearing on Clark's journey to Superman was giving him fodder to realize that going public in a big way was necessary — that there were superheroes before him that were basically negated by the government is a huge incentive to go so big and loud as he can so that he can't be erased. All they really need to do is put his realizations and thought processes "in text."

Would it make me happy? No. I have loved this season for the most part, but I do think that cramming a resolution into the last 6 episodes is definitely going to make it feel rushed to me. Especially since with Checkmate and the apocalypse/Apokolips, they've laid groundwork for a kickass storyline. I want a whole Season 10 written with the end point in mind, with everything accelerating toward that goal, instead of tap dancing in uncertainty about whether or not they'll get a pickup. I know that my opinion of this season is higher than a lot of people's; I guess, it's exactly because I think the team is doing a good job this year that I want to see what they come up with when the stops are pulled out — finally. If I didn't think they could pull it off, I'd be less unhappy about the prospect of just finally ending it.
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tasabian
Feb. 19th, 2010 03:19 am (UTC)
While I've been disappointed overall in the lack of Clark-focus this year, I think if there's a S10....they might do exactly the same thing: put Clark in the background, try for S11, then try and wrap everything up in a tremendous hurry.

So, I'm on the fence. If Tom's there, I'm there! Would love to be a fly on the wall for negotiations.

Love the new icon!
jeannev
Feb. 19th, 2010 02:48 pm (UTC)
And thats definitely a consideration for S10. Is this the best they can do in regards to Clark? Do they feel like this is enough focus? I know I don't. But I've never understood KS & BP very well.

If Tom's there, I'm there too. Especially since I'm of the opinion that this is our last chance to enjoy him on screen.

I'm planning on more icons, but this one I slapped together quickly.
sunflowercyn10
Feb. 19th, 2010 05:14 am (UTC)
I'm in the camp that feels that SV will be renewed but it will be a separate announcement as a sign of respect because they will also announce that S10 is the last season.

If they did end it this season I think it would be rushed and leave fans feeling very unsatisfied and that's why I want the producers and writers to have the luxury to know that they are writing a final season well in advance.

With that said, I think that early on in S9, SV knew it was going to have a S10 because why else would you show us Clark training, talking with Jor-El, embracing being "The Blur", and talk of "flight" and then drop all of it to I dunno...offscreensville. I do like that they have been showing Clark trying to handle having a double life and why it is important for him to do this but I also want to see Clark come to realize why it is important for "The Blur" as a vigilante and symbol come out from the shadows and inspire folks. They are touching on this more and more but I hope we get inside Clark's head more on this. For me I've always wanted to know what made an orphan alien with powers but who was raised in a small town on a farm want to one day put on spandex and really put himself out there to the world. As we are seeing on SV he's so fast he can save tons of folks as The Blur but there has to be a reason why someone would sacrifce a part of themself and to be the world's visible savior.

As you might have guessed I do like the Clark and Lois storyline and I want to see that explored. I would like to see more of Clark's POV in that regard and I think we got to see that in Warrior but we also need to understand how he is going to treat Lois differently then Lana re: his secret and what are his rationalizations. I also want to see how and why Lois will end up being his suppport person when he is carrying the weight of the world and it gets too hard. We've seen some of this but I'd like to see more and not just have them dance around being together but do it slowly. The "slow" part for me means that there will be a S10 because Clark/Superman and Lois in the comics are combustible so for me they are slowing things down for a reason but with only so many episodes to go to suddenly have them declaring their love would be rushed IMO.

I want to see more of Clark training and for crying out loud if there are Kandorian's running around you'd think we'd have at least one scene with Clark talking to Jor-El at the FOS about this? Gawd!

Sigh...again I hope there is a S10 so that we can really see Clark take the big step because so far it seems that SV is raiding the DC Comics villian cupboard in the meantime. *grins*



jeannev
Feb. 19th, 2010 02:58 pm (UTC)
Oh, I haven't lost all hope of a S10. The truth is that I just don't know what to expect. I've long held the opinion that DO would love to be rid of it. Is this the year she finally gets her chance to kill it? You'd think it would be a no-brainer for the CW to bring it back one more year, promote it as the last season, and then DO gets what she wants. Heck, even give it a shortened season, if they don't want to commit to another full season. But to cancel it this season...without giving TPTB proper warning? That just seems like such a scummy move.

With that said, I think that early on in S9, SV knew it was going to have a S10 because why else would you show us Clark training, talking with Jor-El, embracing being "The Blur", and talk of "flight" and then drop all of it to I dunno...offscreensville.

Yes! Exactly! Its like they started out with a Clark story that was going to be focused on him, and going to focus on some of the really important issues that he'd need to face for his final transistion into Superman, and then it became background noise. Clark hasn't mentioned flight since the Pilot. Where is that guy that was determined to fly? Does he even train with Jor-El anymore? When would he have time? And why don't we know this?

My only real complaint with the Clark and Lois stuff is that I think its been too huge a part of Clark's storyline. Lois' too, quite frankly. I think there just needs to be a little more attention placed on developing them as individuals, as well as a couple. More focus on Clark's heroics, More focus on Lois the journalist. Not every episode needs to have them up in each others grill, ya know?

I'm just scratching my head at the whole Zod/Kandorian storyline, because there is just nothing there. If you asked me, I'd be hard pressed to come up with that many memorable moments that featured them.

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(Anonymous)
Feb. 19th, 2010 05:52 am (UTC)
A 10th season will happen, it's just the budget and contracts that need to be worked out. The ratings are not the issue because they have been solid just like other CW shows like Supernatural and Gossip Girl among others.

I agree that they need to cut some people out who don't serve a purpose in Clark's story. AM may be gone after this season. I don't see Green Arrow being used any further either. That could free up some money for characters such as Martha Kent, Perry White, Dr. Emil Hamilton, and the real Jimmy Olsen.
jeannev
Feb. 19th, 2010 03:00 pm (UTC)
Nothing wrong with being positive!

I guess I'm not sure why budget and contracts would really be holding up the works. Do they negotiate a new budget every season? And since there's only 1 regular without a contract for next season, and that isn't the main character, I'm not sure why that would be an issue. Unless they are negotiating to bring someone back, then I could understand it.

If the CW does want to cut their budget, I worry about what that would mean for a S10.
goodvibe
Feb. 19th, 2010 06:48 am (UTC)
They could do some sort of half baked approach to a final ending. But I don't think it's the same as really ::effectively planning:: a season as your last. That's the only real way you do your show justice. And for this, there's no-one to blame more than TPTB themselves. Yes, DO is a fucktard, but S&P should've realistically kept the focus on this being the last season anyways, IMO. And I'm saying this as someone who genuinely loves the show, even for all its faults and has always been loyal. But I just think if this season had been planned as the final one, then we could've potentially been underway an amazing season here, as opposed to mad scrambling now as to how it all might tie up.

If this has to be the last though, I'd like to see Martha return for an appearance. To really see some quality Mom/Son time and her views on how far he's come. Maybe even her opinion on Clark/Lois. I'd like to see the Zod/Checkmate storyline ::somehow:: find a way to overlap, and for Tess' involvement in both to be prominent. I'd also like to see Lois possibly getting a promotion. And most of all, for Clark to be ::THE:: main player in all of the proceedings, and an active player - not simply a reactor.

Long-shot-wishes would be for a Lex reappearance and for Clark to fly.

If this is not the last, and S10 is it, then I'd definitely still like to see Martha return. And it's another long shot, but Perry too, so we can see atleast a hint of the Clark/Lois/Perry dynamic. I want to see both Clark and Lois move on up from the basement. For a final run season, maybe instead of aiming for something too ambitious, stick to really grounding Tess as a credible, loose-cannon all season long threat and then amp it up with a Lex reappearance. Ofcourse, if they can't help themselves, then there's the hints of 'Apokolips/Darkseid' we got from 'AJ.' I want to see Clark' imvolvement in the proto-JL (even if just operations with Chloe, Emil, MM and Ollie) be active and present, rather than offscreenville. I'd like to see Clois remain a couple - healthy, strong; drama isn't ::always:: necessary, IMO, where these two are concerned. Or atleast it shouldn't be, since the whole point of them together is that they should add to each others lives, not take away from them. Lois finding out the secret is a huge part of this, for me. Finally, of course, I'd love to see hints of THE Shirt rip and for flight.

I've just rambled on and on, haven't I? It's all your fault for getting me dtarted, heh! But long story short, at this point? With these showrunners? Unless I'm proven horribly wrong, I vote whimper. Which is so unfortunate for a show thats been such a maimstay for 9 years now.

Oh, and Dawn is a fucking idiot. Because it can't be said enough.
goodvibe
Feb. 19th, 2010 06:53 am (UTC)
Also? Dammit, I should not have just skimmed the comments. ::slaps forehead:: So we're getting Martha and Perry?!? Which, is great, don't get me wrong, but it'd have been nice to have been completely surprised by it. But oh well, it's pleasant news, as opposed to 'OMG-what-did-I-just-read' - heh. So that's something I suppose.
jeannev
Feb. 19th, 2010 03:05 pm (UTC)
I'm so sorry you were spoiled :( I should've put in a warning.

I also feel like the only satisfying way to bring this show to a close would be to plan it from the beginning, and build every show towards that end goal. Its like making the season a giant staircase, and each episode should be another step to the top. As it is, I think we jumped off the staircase a lot this season. Especially with the Green Arrow stuff, which seems to be a whole other staircase to me.

I also think too many eps this season have had Clark in "reactive" mode. But I wonder, is this the only way they know how to write him anymore? Is this the best its going to get?

I love all your ideas for what has to happen in a final season, and in fact, it perfectly illustrates my point. Because it doesn't feel like too much of this has happened.

And yes, DO sucks ass!
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(Anonymous)
Feb. 19th, 2010 04:11 pm (UTC)
SM S9 is the end of the line?Mixed feelings...
This is indeed a surprising topic. I didn't know that S10 wasn't certain.Personally I actually believe THERE WILL BE a S10. I think they haven't announced it yet because they are still working things out and also it is always good to create a certain buzz and shake things up with fans.Basically what they've done this Season is stalling.I mean,c'me on: there's really no valid reason for Clark not to put on the suit and fly away.That's why they keep bringing new characters and they don't always succeed with the plotline. I have to be honest: for me S9 has been quiet disappointing.It started with some interesting plotlines (zod / tess, the kandorains, Jor-El, the training) and then they dropped all that in order to engage with the Clois romance and where did that end up?In a somewhat ackward AU sex scene(*disappointing*).God only knows where they're taking Chloe.Lois is not yet established as a solid character, the chosen-one who is going to be emotional support of our hero and so forth.I always thought that the transition from "SM: the teenage years" to "SM: the Metropolis years"(sorry for the lame titles...just for arguments sake) was a risky move but at the same time it was inevitable I guess.That doesn't mean that there weren't going to be repercussions and some major flaws. I mean the whole "alignement with the mythos" that KS and BP talked about so much never really felt right. In anthropology there's a saying "just by looking at one thing you're already changing it". And SM did a lot more that "take a look" at the SuperMan mythos.Now, looking back at SM you could divide it into 2 parts: the 1st was a fresh new look on a old tale , focused on building up a character(CK) , giving it substance like it was never done before.The 2nd part was about doing the exact opposite:emptying it,diminishing it and reduced him to become once again a one-dimensional character.I don't know how they will proceed from here but until now,this season feels like there are all these pieces in the board but they are disconnected.
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