?

Log in

No account? Create an account

Previous Entry | Next Entry

SV Thoughts: Clois


Is LJ acting wonky for anyone else?  Its been doing some odd things lately.  ETA:  I can't seem to get this posted under a cut, but I'm working on it.  *sigh*

So, I'm bringing over a post of mine that I made at K-Site about a particular SV storyline.  It was prompted by the recent interview Kelly Souders did with TV Guide, and her response to a Clark/Lois question.  I thought it might make decent fodder for her conversation over here with my lovely and talented flist. 

While this subject is not particularly spoiler-ish, as it deals with stuff we pretty much know to this point, I am going to put the question and answer, and my comment behind a cut (well, I would if LJ wasn't being a pain in THE ASS!, but since it is, I can't).  Just in case.


Putting in some space, in case you don't want to read on...



Type your cut contents here

Here is the question and answer part:

TVGuide.com: Will she find out Clark's secret now that they're dating?
Souders:
Well... there's a really great episode called "Idol" that's coming up that if you're curious about Lois and Clark and the secret, you should definitely watch that one. As we know we have to line up with the mythos, in which case she doesn't know his secret, but watch "Idol," it's very, very fun.

And this inspired me to post about my frustrations in this particular area in regards to Clark and Lois having a relationship on SV.  Because I think its this 500lb gorilla in the middle of the room, and I think there's a lot of "LA-LA-LA, I can't hear you" going on when the questions are raised about it.

Personally, I think the mythos should be used as a template, or very rough outline, but trying to fit SV into it is like trying to shove a square peg into a round hole. And IMO, it actually hurts this show when it tries to fit into a mythos situation that it already veered so far away from.

To me, the first question should never be "how do we make this fit with the mythos". The first question should be "how do we try to come close to the mythos, but still respect what we've done on SV, and still respect what makes sense on SV".

Its all well and good to debate when and where Clark told Lois the truth in the almighty mythos. But NONE of those stories had this Clark and Lois, and NONE of those stories had a Clark and Lois that developed into a relationship the way SV's Clark and Lois has. NONE of them.

NO other version of Clark Kent had a "I can't tell you my secret, but I want to be with you, but I can't be honest with you, but I can't let you go" relationship that lasted 7 years, like our Clark Kent did.  You can't just pretend his relationship with Lana didn't happen.   You just can't ignore that and pretend it doesn't impact who our Clark is today. At least it should. I'm reasonably sure that no one here would be satisfied if someone asked Clark why he wasn't telling Lois the truth about himself, and he said "Well, because she doesn't know in the mythos at this point".  And if Clark can't use that reason on the show, then its not a good reason.   Clark has to have a reason that makes sense in the context of his storyline, and considering his history, and his past relationships. If that doesn't matter, then what on SV DOES matter?  This is supposed to be a whole show about Clark Kent, his experiances, and how that leads him to who he will become.  Right? 

SV show runners should get some b*lls, and fight for their version of this love story. They should be asking themselves what makes the most sense for their versions of the characters, and how they set up the story.

If there are still "restrictions" (which, IMO, seems like a convenient excuse), then they should've thought of that before beginning the story.

I don't really care when, or where Lois found out in other versions. I'm not currently reading, or watching, any of those. I need to know why our Clark Kent, here and now, would begin a romantic relationship with our Lois Lane, hear and now, but conceal his true self from her. I need to know how he thinks this is going to work, and why he would go down this road again. I need to know how delicate topics, i.e. sex, are going to be handled. Since "its mythos" makes no sense at all for an excuse for our characters in SV, then I'm going to need for this show to get a bit more creative, and come up with some real, understandable, articulated reasons that don't come off as lame contrivance.

Clark tried a relationship with lies. It was miserable for him, and for the object of his affection too much of the time. Why is he doing it again? That's the bottom line. And "Its Mythos!" is not a reason. Its a crutch. 


 

Comments

( 54 comments — Leave a comment )
Page 1 of 2
<<[1] [2] >>
(Deleted comment)
jeannev
Oct. 29th, 2009 02:05 am (UTC)
But I do agree on some level that since they ARE putting Clois in that direction, I would like a valid reason why Lois can't know.

And that is it in a nutshell. Right there.

If Clois didn't progress on the show beyond hints, and winks and nods, and anvils, then its no problem. But it did. So, now we need to understand why Clark is going this route. Again.

Its not even about Lois asking him for his secrets, or anything like that. Honestly, thats rather beside the point. Its actually rather easy to understand where she might be coming from. But for our Clark, with his past? Where is he coming from with this?

And yes, the show has already shown us that Lois would be fine with the truth.

Its very frustrating for me, because I'm always trying to look at things in this show from Clark's POV, and from where he's coming from. But here? There just is no there, there! Because I don't think the writers can think of a valid reason for Clark to go this route aside from "Its Mythos!"

And thats not a reason.
eeyore1017
Oct. 29th, 2009 02:17 am (UTC)
The interviews that I've read the past few days with Souders & Peterson have mainly irritated and annoyed me. I wish they could feel my (and everyone's) frustration through our computer screens.

Off-topic, but I don't like that Souders was specifically asked if Chloe was coming back to the DP & she blatantly ignored that part of the question. I'm so tired of them leading people on just for the sake of leading them on and not because they're actually going to fulfill peoples' storyline dreams at some point. Another example that comes to mind is their refusal to put a solid "NO" on the romantic Chlark front.

Anyway, I have no idea what the heck they're going to do with the romantic stuff for Lois & Clark. Is he going to spend all of Season 9 as The Blur in Black, and never come face to face with Lois? Like you said, I can't imagine that Clark would want to start another relationship based on "secrets & lies," but unfortunately, that doesn't mean they won't contrive some b.s. reason for him to do it anyway.

Thinking about this stuff just pisses me off so even though it might be ignorant to stick my head in the sand, that's kind of what I'm doing.
jeannev
Oct. 29th, 2009 02:36 am (UTC)
Oh, interviews with these 2 usually irritate me on some level. Not as much as AlMiles used to. But I'm not really a huge fan of the current showrunners. I think part of me holds an immense grudge against things they've said in the past.

LOL, sticking your head in the sand with SV is definitely a good way to go. I think repeating "Oh look, Pretty!" to yourself helps a lot. ;)
polytikal
Oct. 29th, 2009 03:07 am (UTC)
Hi. :)

It's an interesting question, and one that I've thought about recently (but good luck trying to make sense of my nonsense).

I've always thought that Clark had (and will have) an interesting struggle when it comes to his romantic relationships. There's the part of him, the intrinsically human part, that just so desperately wants to not be alone. He feels that loneliness now more than ever. His father is dead, his mother is gone, his cousin is God knows where, his best friend is estranged from him at the moment, his high school sweetheart left him, his former best friend is "dead," and now, so is Jimmy.

I can't tell you why Clark wouldn't tell Lois the truth. I don't doubt that he still has every hesitation when it comes to the big secret, and rightfully so. Regardless of the fact that Lana found out and took it reasonably well, he'll still always remember the bad things that ultimately came out of it. There will be hesitation and worry with any person he'll ever want to tell.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, Clark wants to both be happy with Lois, and also not have to deal with telling her the secret. Is it unfair to Lois? Maybe. Is it unfair to himself? Maybe. Is it selfish? Maybe. But I can't blame him. His entire life these days is like a Fortress of Solitude. He doesn't want to be alone anymore, and he doesn't want to wait for Lois to slip through his fingers. He might be acting out of sheer passion and desire and instinct, without thinking about the logistics of it all, but isn't that kind of what love is?

He knows from experience that Lois would take it well, but then there's every possibility that it could go wrong because every time is different. The results of every time he tells someone is different, with different people and different contexts. He could tell Lois now, and at this point she might decide that she can't be with an alien. And that's a heartbreak he just doesn't want right now. But he also doesn't want to just let it go. Maybe he wants to be selfish, just this once, so he's diving in head first and worrying about it later, despite his past experiences and better judgment.

For the record, I don't think it makes him foolish or selfish. I think it just makes him human. And this isn't me just me going "LA-LA-LA, I can't hear you," because I do. I'm trying not to speak from any sort of shipper bias here, because this is honestly where I think Clark may be coming from.

He already has to deal with the fact that he actually wants to be in a relationship with her, and the secret is just another complicating factor that just makes it harder. Chloe mentions in Infamous and Hex that Clark both wants to protect himself from heartache, and avoid opening the Kryptonian can of worms. Now, I'm not saying Chloe speaks the absolute truth, because she's not Clark. But I think he agrees with her statements there. He may just think that admitting it means he's selfish/foolish.

Err, yeah. My two cents. :)
jeannev
Oct. 29th, 2009 03:14 am (UTC)
Not nonsense. In fact, that actually makes a lot of sense.

And I do think there's a good way to tell that sort of story. I'm not sure I think the SV writers are actually up to it though, LOL

I guess, for me, I really don't want to see Clark repeating past mistakes, even when they are mistakes of the heart. I understand how his heart might be ruling his head, but at some point, I'm going to need him to confront that.

On another show, in another context, I think this would work wonderfully. On a show that went the "secrets and lies" route for years, I think its a much harder road to journey.

Mostly, I just want a clear POV for Clark, and I want to HEAR it. I am beyond frustrated with the lack of POV for Clark on this show, and I see this stuff going down that same road. With so much left ambigious so that the writers can play with the direction as they see fit.

They've decided to barrel down the Clois path, and thats fine. But I'm going to need them to keep Clark in mind as they are doing it. At least, I'll hope. But not really, because I have been to this rodeo before. LOL
(no subject) - polytikal - Oct. 29th, 2009 03:30 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - jeannev - Oct. 29th, 2009 03:33 am (UTC) - Expand
(Deleted comment)
jeannev
Oct. 29th, 2009 03:36 am (UTC)
Well, you hit upon something I didn't actually add in my original post.

I've never been a big fan of Clark getting involved with Lois without telling her the truth, in any version. Or, I should say I've been a big fan of him letting it drag out so long. I can cut him some slack for doing it initially, as I'll be happy to do with our SV Clark.

I'm of the opinion that a relationship can't achieve real intimacy unless there is honesty there. And so, neither Clark's relationship with Lois as himself, or as The Blur, strikes me as very intimate.
tariel22
Oct. 29th, 2009 03:28 am (UTC)
I'm with you. Clark has known Lois for over five years now, and come on, quite a few people know his secret. Why isn't Lois worthy of joining that club? If he doesn't trust her with the truth, why in the world would he trust her with his heart? And that old excuse about him not wanting to put her in danger just doesn't fly with me. She manages to get into life-threatening situations all the time anyway, and she'd probably be able to make better choices when that happens if she knew the whole truth.

I liked the Clana relationship in the beginning; it was the way it dragged on and on that made me hate it in the end. The fact that those two kept coming back to one another again and again reflected poorly on both of them, and the very least I would expect after all those years of angst and dysfunction is that Clark learned something from it all! For him to enter into the same pattern with another woman just makes it look like he is unable to have a healthy relationship with anyone.

And as far as the mythos goes, which one? I haven't read all that many comic books, but even I know that the Superman story is constantly being reinvented and rebooted. In the movies Clark Kent is the bumbling disguise, in LnC he's the real man. In some stories Jonathan dies when Clark is still a boy, in others he lives to see his son don the cape and take to the skies. And I know that there is at least one version of Lois in the comic books who is married to Clark, and knows everything there is to know about him.

You're absolutely right that Smallville has already deviated from the mythos in many ways, some of them very significant. Being true to the story they're telling, the one they have created, is much more important than aligning with something else that came before, IMO, but serving the story has never been this show's strength. I don't see any reason that Lois couldn't know Clark's secret. I'd rather see what happens when these two truly share their lives with one another than a bunch of cutesy moments played for laughs at Lois's expense because she's clueless, or even worse, angst caused by Clark obviously hiding something big from the woman he professes to love more than anyone else.

Edited at 2009-10-29 03:35 am (UTC)
jeannev
Oct. 29th, 2009 03:43 am (UTC)
Why isn't Lois worthy of joining that club? If he doesn't trust her with the truth, why in the world would he trust her with his heart?

You have such a way of summing things up for me. Thank you.

And its the question I often asked with Clana too. But there, I could understand that Clark was young, and far more awkward in his own skin, and he had idelalized her to such a degree....So, it made some sense there. As frustrating as it was.

But that was then, and this is now...And Clark isn't that teenager anymore. He's not uncomfortable in his own skin anymore. He knows love and acceptance. He doesn't idealize Lois, and he knows she'll be fine with the truth of him.

Truth be told, I am sick to death of the word "Mythos!" The most important version of the story should be the one that SV has told, is telling, and will tell.

You know what would make our Clark and Lois truly unique, and truly stand apart? To have Clark just be honest with her, and to have them build on that foundation. Now THAT is a story that hasn't been told, and would put Lois in a place that no person has ever occupied in Clark's life. It would also show his commitment to her in a mature, assertive way that he's never shown before.

But what do I know. ;)
(no subject) - tariel22 - Oct. 29th, 2009 04:13 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - jeannev - Oct. 29th, 2009 01:16 pm (UTC) - Expand
jlvsclrk
Oct. 29th, 2009 03:37 am (UTC)
I wish Infamous had been less rushed and had more of Clark's thoughts because I'm sure the writers think they dealt with this issue back then but they really didn't. I know it has something to do with Clark fearing Lois will become a target if she knows and people find out, but she'll be a target anyways if people find out just for knowing him however casually. Maybe his reasons have something to do with the crowd reaction and the sudden adulation turned so quickly to distrust and anger. Who knows?

To establish more grounds for Clark's fears, I would have Clark find out about Roulette and Sebastien and whatever else Chloe is up to. Then show that he believes that knowing his secret drove Chloe over the edge, which combined with his experiences with Lex, Pete and Lana would give him real motivation to keep Lois in the dark. One thing is for sure - learning the secret hasn't had good associations for Clark in the past.
jeannev
Oct. 29th, 2009 03:46 am (UTC)
The thing with the danger and target arguement is that there are so many people that already know about Clark, that any person that he's dating is in some sort of red zone. Whether they know his secret or not.

I know that Clark hasn't had the best track record with people knowing his secret, and how thats turned out for him. And so, because of that, I can understand Clark not wanting to get into a relationship. That would be the most understandable consequence. But apparently, he does. So, I'm going to need to understand how he thinks this is going to work.
serenography
Oct. 29th, 2009 03:57 am (UTC)
I'm not sure I should dive into this, but I'll just try and tread lightly. :)


To me, the first question should never be "how do we make this fit with the mythos". The first question should be "how do we try to come close to the mythos, but still respect what we've done on SV, and still respect what makes sense on SV".


Couldn't agree more. I get a kick out of all the mythology nods, but I do agree that the priority should always be to make THIS story the best it can be within its OWN mythology that has already been established.

Sometimes I wonder if TPTB for this show, both past and present, think the only way to ensure fan loyalty is to constantly tease them and draaag things out. What they actually end up doing is working against themselves in terms of a quality story.

What I hope to see in terms of Clark and Lois, is for him to actually make firm decisions based on what he's experienced in the past, particularly his relationship with Lana. I'd like him to realize ON HIS OWN, that telling Lois is the right thing to do.

In Reckoning, we saw Clark take that step with Lana, and her respond with acceptance of who he really is. Then his fears of putting her in danger reared up again and well all know what happened then. But he did eventually choose to take that chance and tell her once again over the risk of losing her. He eventually did lose her anyway (we won't go there ;)), but he could very well look back and consider all the time lost because of his fears and concerns.

His holding back for so long, frustrating as it was, was always understandable from Clark's perspective. But Clark and Lana were a world apart from who Clark and Lois are here and now. He was a teenager still learning who he was then, and now Clark's an adult, one with a lot of life experience under his belt.

At some point, I'd love to see grown-up Clark make his own decisive choice to tell Lois because he knows he loves this woman and he wants her to know who he really is - No take-backs, no regrets. We already know that Lois will accept him and that this time, it will last. I HATE the short-sighted thinking that relationships on TV are only interesting when they fit into the "Moonlighting" mold of incessant romantic tension. They tried that route, for YEARS, and it didn't do any favors for their lead characters, particularly one.

Maybe I'll send Kelly and Brian DVD's of a few of The Thin Man movies from the 1940's (bonus points for anyone else who is familiar with those films) to show them how utterly wonderful and entertaining a well-written and together couple can be. I've always said that I don't want SV to turn into another version of "Lois & Clark" but at this point in the show, with what they've already shown us between Clark and Lois, to have him pull away and fall back on one of the old reasons would be incredibly frustrating. It would also make little sense for them to have Lois go "poof" and disappear again as well.

The big question is, can they follow through with what they've started and still keep the show's focus on Clark as the sole lead character? I honestly don't know, but it's something they should strive for if they are to stay consistent with what they've already established.

This is supposed to be a whole show about Clark Kent, his experiances, and how that leads him to who he will become. Right?

Right.

jeannev
Oct. 29th, 2009 04:12 am (UTC)
Tread lightly? Don't you dare! This is My House, and you are allowed to stomp around all you want!! I insist. LOL

But everything you said? A Big YES!

As frustrating as things were with Lana, I did understand why Clark approached it that way. It did make sense in the context of his story, and where he was at in his life. But it doesn't now. And he should be taking those experiances, and factoring it in to the decisions he makes now.

We all know love is crazy. I get that. But even that story needs to be told, and shown.

And one day, I will go on an extended rant on how "Moonlighting" being used as an example of leads getting together, and the show fizzling, is COMPLETELY BOGUS BULLSHIT! To me, this is something people use, but probably never watched the original show. Moonlighting didn't go south because Maddie and David had sex. It went south because Cybil Shepard got pregnant, and it was a difficult pregnancy, so they had to write her out of the show for a while, and they came up with this completely stupid way to do it, and it killed the Maddie and David relationship. And then they had her get pregnant, and have a miscarriage.

ARGGGHHHH, it wasn't because they got together and had sex. It was because the writers couldn't handle a complication, and they BLEW IT!!

Oh look, I ranted anyway. LOL

The big question is, can they follow through with what they've started and still keep the show's focus on Clark as the sole lead character? I honestly don't know, but it's something they should strive for if they are to stay consistent with what they've already established.

I think that can be done in theory, but with these writers, probably not. The trick is write the romance as the B plot, or garnish to the main course. They have a lot of trouble doing this because they are so enamoured with 'ships, and triangles, and so on.
(Deleted comment)
huzzlewhat
Oct. 29th, 2009 05:08 am (UTC)
Just to say straight out, my absolute first preference, no question about it, would be for Clark to tell Lois his secret before pursuing a romantic relationship. They've already broken the traditional format — to SV's benefit — by having Lois fall for Clark first, before he fell for her, and before she fell for Superman. There's no reason they have to be bound by the traditional mythos, and every reason they should forge their own path, in order to best serve their own versions of the characters.

That said. I can see why Clark wouldn't tell Lois — from his perspective, everyone who has found out his secret has been destroyed, in some way. Either they're dead, or they're bitter and disillusioned and angry. I didn't agree with his trying to take the knowledge away from Chloe, but I think his impulse was genuine... he felt that she'd be happier and her life would be better if she didn't know. And at the end of "Infamous," when he told Lois that it was because she was special that he wasn't going to let her keep the memories... it's skewed, and it's not what I want to see him do, but I understand it, and I think it makes a certain amount of sense. Clark used to want to tell people, but hang back because he didn't know how they'd react — now he wants to tell people, but hangs back because he thinks the knowledge is an unfair burden to put on people he truly cares about. On some level, I believe he thinks it's selfish of him to tell people, and put that burden on them. And if they spin it as him keeping Lois in ignorance not out of distrust, but because she's the one person in his life who hasn't been touched or tainted by his secret, and he wants to keep her, I don't know, pure and safe, well, that I'll be able to swallow. I'll still think he should tell her, because Lois is tough, and we know how the story ends, but I'll be able to buy it quite easily.
jeannev
Oct. 29th, 2009 01:20 pm (UTC)
I totally get what you're saying, and that makes sense to me too. Except for one part....with Clark feeling all that, I don't know why he'd start dating her. Because, inevitably, he's got to know where this is going to go. Or does he really believe that he can have some casual relationship with her, and it will never go beyond that? See, reject that, because it seems to make light of his feelings for her to a degree I'm not comfortable. Clark doesn't do casual, and never really has.

So, I understand him wanting to keep Lois untainted by his secret, and unburdened by the truth of him. But then, he really shouldn't be kissing her, or dating her, if thats the case.

Now, obviously, he's going to. So, I need the show to fill in those blanks, and really explain, and delve into, Clark's POV here. Because of all SV characters, I really feel like he's the one we should gain understanding into.
(no subject) - huzzlewhat - Oct. 29th, 2009 03:38 pm (UTC) - Expand
gildinwen
Oct. 29th, 2009 01:18 pm (UTC)
My point is basically what Huzzlewhat and Polytikal wrote. From Clark's point of view everyone who has known the secret has been destroyed in some way. He wasn't being a crazy person in Identity when he said that to Oliver WRT Jimmy.
I'll like him to tell her, because dude she's going to be his wife and we saw how she reacted in "Imfamous". But I can understand that he thinks that telling people his secret is an unfair burden on people and he wants to keep her the way she is. We saw how eager Lois was to help the Blur, and Clark's probably scared that if she knew it was Clark, then she'd been even more likely to throw herself into dangerous situations to protect him.
jeannev
Oct. 29th, 2009 01:21 pm (UTC)
And I get that, but then should be be kissing her, and dating her? How does he see this being a good move? Thats the part of equation that we need explored. And not just glossed over.
(no subject) - gildinwen - Oct. 29th, 2009 04:24 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - jeannev - Oct. 29th, 2009 04:28 pm (UTC) - Expand
canadabear
Oct. 29th, 2009 02:45 pm (UTC)
Clark tried a relationship with lies. It was miserable for him, and for the object of his affection too much of the time. Why is he doing it again?

Well, he hasn't, so far. And I can't judge to say he will be without articulating a specific reason until it actually happens. I really don't know what happens in Idol, aside from the possibility that Lois comes close to figuring out Clark is the Blur, but I don't know how she gets put off that idea. Or what puts her on to it to begin with.

But the bottom line for me is that as yet, Clark is not in a relationship with Lois. And even if they do get to that point, I don't necessarily think Clark owes it to anyone he's dating to tell them his secret right off the bat. Eventually, down the line if it gets serious, yes, but on the first date? No. Not even for someone he's known for years and who he knows will handle the information well.

And I really personally dislike the notion that if he doesn't tell her immediately, he's somehow forgotten everything he learned about secrets and lies with Lana. Lois is not Lana and their relationships are nowhere near the same. Clark's secret in and of itself was hardly the crux of Clana's issues, as we saw they still didn't work even when Lana knew. Even had Clark told her sooner, it wouldn't have made a difference and I think Clark knows that.

Do I agree that a big part of it is mythos "Lois isn't supposed to know!" crap? Of course it is. But I don't think that's the sole reason, because in the end, it's up to Clark to decide when he's ready to tell anyone about his secret, which frankly, isn't something he's generally been the one to instigate. Besides, if we get S10 (and I think we will) without Chloe around I have a strong suspicion 'mythos' will go out the window and Lois will be in on things.
(Deleted comment)
(no subject) - canadabear - Oct. 29th, 2009 04:33 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - jeannev - Oct. 29th, 2009 03:26 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - canadabear - Oct. 29th, 2009 04:43 pm (UTC) - Expand
(Deleted comment)
jeannev
Oct. 29th, 2009 03:41 pm (UTC)
Yes! YES!!! You expressed that so well.

I guess the biggest thing I'm asking for is an explanation from Clark. I need to understand where he's coming from, why he's doing this (besides his obvious feelings for Lois), and how he thinks this is going to work out. All that needs to be articulated ON THE SHOW. Its not something we should have to wank, or translate, based on ambigious facial clues, or one sentence references. There needs to be more here for Clark. He should be the Damned POV character!! Why does it seem that we know less about what he's feeling and thinking then just about anyone else? Its frustrating as hell.

I understand that Clark and Lana had other problems. And maybe her knowing from the beginning would have actually ended them sooner. I don't know. Neither does Clark. But he does know that those years of lies were painful for both of them. He has to know that. It has to impact how he approaches a romantic relationship in the future.

As I said on K-Site, no other Clark Kent, in any other version, has this particular history, and romantic background. And frankly, no other Lois Lane has had this initial relationship with Clark Kent. I understand that these 2 need to end up together. I get that this is part of the mythos that can't be changed. But if you completely changed their meeting, their initial relationship, their path to love, why should any part of their relationship be handled according to the mythos of an entirely different version?

celitalaloca
Oct. 29th, 2009 03:59 pm (UTC)
Well, in previous years we were told that Clark and Lois wouldn't ever be a couple in this show, or that they wouldn't ever share a kiss even if it was a "fake one". And look all the things we are having now. So, Lois not knowing the secret now doesn't mean that maybe the next season she'll find out. It can always change.

Now, why Clark doesn't tell her?, everyone that knows the secret had to pay a big price for it, his parents, Lana, Chloe, Pete, Lionel even Jimmy. So it's not a surprise for me that he doesn't want to tell Lois about it as long as he can. Of course, if we look at it from Lois's position that wouldn't be that fair. But Clark is trying to protect her, and he will tell her when he's ready, is his secret to tell after all. He is not trying to hurt her nor anyone keeping the secret so I can give him a 'free pass' for a while.

Of course, it's not fair for Lois being lied all the time, mostly if Clark doesn't tell her the truth about her "dreams" once he finds out, because it's her life and her brain after all. Besides she'll be dealing with her feelings for two men at once that she probably won't be able of understanding. How can she have strong feelings for two men at once?, that's not something she uses to do, she had Grant as a rebound from Ollie, but it was clear that she was in love with Ollie and she just liked Grant and dated him because she wanted to move on. But this time would be different, and she probably will be confused as hell, when in fact it's just one man.

That said, I hope Lois won't be so troubled with Clark's actions since she will be called bitch or "lana" if she ever dares to ask for some answers. Everyone lies to her as a daily basis even when it's not needed at all, but the second she complains (once in three years) she is selfish apparently.

But I can understand why Clark doesn't tell her:

Jonathan Kent: died!

Martha Kent: gone!

Pete: gone after accusing him of ruining his life and being tortured!

Lionel: dead!

Alicia: dead!

Lex: betrayed him and is now "dead"!

Lana: couldn't stand it and became Bizalana trying to be "his equal", then she left!

Chloe: Clark's secret became the focus of her whole life, she left all her dreams behind, she destroyed her relationship with Jimmy and she is now a crazy manipulative woman.

Jimmy: he learned the secret then died a few minutes later.

Ollie: his ego got hurt because he's not even in Clark's league, he betrayed him and if Clark does all right, then he is blamed of being Jesus all over again. But the minute he does something wrong (or that Ollie thinks is wrong when it isn't) he is weak and doesn't have what is needed to save the world.

Kara: She dealt with the secret quite good since she is a Kryptonian herself, but she didn't find her place it this planet and she left.

Tess: treats Clark as some kind of God but at the same time she does whatever is needed to "protect him". Girl, if he is "God" why should him need you to protect him at all?

So, I understand why Clark doesn't want to tell his secret to the only decent human being that left in his life. Because the "good ones" leave him and the others become crazy.
jeannev
Oct. 29th, 2009 04:12 pm (UTC)
It is something of a catch-22 all around, isn't it?

I also can understand why Clark wouldn't want to tell her given whats gone on in his life, and to the people who have known.

But I have a lot of problem reconciling that with Clark barreling forward, and dating her anyway. Because really, how does that make sense? It really doesn't. By dating her, he's bringing her into his life in a far more intimate way. He can either tell her the truth, and deal with the ramifications of that, or he can not tell her, and keep this huge barrier to true intimacy with her. At the same time, he'll be messing with her mind by continuing a relationship between her and The Blur?

None of that really computes for me.

I understand making certain allowances due to matters of the heart often clouding judgement. But thats the sort of thing that you really have to take care with, and show, and allow Clark to talk about. It would mean a lot to me to hear Clark say "I know this isn't right, but I can't seem to stop myself". Thats not a justification, but its a real emotion that we can all empathize with.

I think, with what Clark's experianced, he has to know that any romantic relationship not built on the truth has a far greater chance of failing. He has to know this. How could he not? Lois is different from Lana, obviously. But not so different, I think, that she wouldn't want to be included in this part of Clark's life.

Unfortunately, Lois is at a some disadvantage because this show has spent so many years concentrating on a specific relationship that was, so often, frustrating. So, viewers are a bit burnt out, and understandably wary, when it comes to certain situations. Which is, again, one of the big reasons I think the show has to blaze its own trail, and not try to fit into a situation that doesn't work for this show, and this story.
(no subject) - tjw_jaypat - Oct. 29th, 2009 04:48 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - celitalaloca - Oct. 29th, 2009 04:56 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - tjw_jaypat - Oct. 29th, 2009 05:58 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - celitalaloca - Oct. 29th, 2009 06:21 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - jeannev - Oct. 29th, 2009 06:37 pm (UTC) - Expand
duskwillow
Oct. 29th, 2009 04:40 pm (UTC)
Good question.
I agree with what many have already said, that Clark could be holding back and not telling her the truth right away because the secret pretty much changed or poisoned lives of everyone who learned it.

It will be interesting to see how they'll explain it on the show. Knowing Smallville, they'll ignore it completely and won't even realize this is an issue. :)

I think it would be interesting to do a sort of reversal. For Clark to decide to tell her, because he doesn't want to lie to her, and Lois noticing he's anguished about something he wants to tell her. So she could ask him if he thinks it will change things between them, and if he thinks she'd treat him differently because of the secret. And then he could look back at Blank, Crimson and Infamous, and truthfully answer no, she wouldn't. Then Lois could give him an out, and tell him to keep his secrets (because he "needs all the mystery he can get"), and to tell her one day when he's ready to shear that with her, and not just because he thinks he must tell her. I could buy that, because Lois was never the type who has to know everything. And that way they could put an issue aside for awhile.

For me, bigger problem might be how Clark will balance his Blur career and relationship. As seen in movie night scene in Roulette, he had a hard time taking a break from patrol. I think he needs to figure out how to establish balance between his hero life and personal life first.
jeannev
Oct. 29th, 2009 06:41 pm (UTC)
It will be interesting to see how they'll explain it on the show. Knowing Smallville, they'll ignore it completely and won't even realize this is an issue.

And this is my main fear.

There seems to be something of a lazy approach to anything they can just exclaim "Its Mythos!". Lex going evil, Clark getting into the DP, Lois getting into the DP. And yeah, even Clark and Lois getting together, though I don't think they've done a bad job there. Still, it could've been done better, and more gradual over time.

And so, I fear that same lazy approach here, with this issue. Beacuse it often seems to me that these writers will take the cheat of "Because thats the way it is", or "Damn, those restrictions". And both of those seem bogus to me.

I do like your scenario very much. That he wants to tell, and starts, and Lois is the one that stops him. Its a great spin on things.
celitalaloca
Oct. 29th, 2009 04:42 pm (UTC)
I understand, this is a tricky dilemma for the both of them and even for us as fans.

In one hand we have Clark, with his past. He knows that Lois would accept him because he saw it in "Infamous" but at the same time he doesn't want to ruin her life telling her the secret like happened with all those people in his past. At the right moment he'll tell her of course, but it makes him look bad because he is telling a lie after another all the freaking time. Is his secret, so is him the one that have the right to share it in his terms but it makes him look kind of selfish.

On the other hand we have Lois, and she is a investigation reporter. If she doesn't find the secret by herself, she looks stupid, what kind of reporter are you girl? but if she tries to find the answers about Clark she won't be giving him his own space and she will be selfish because is Clark's secret and is him the only one that has the right to share it when he is ready. I don't really think that Clark and Lois won't have sex once they're in a relationship after all that naked time "in the future". So, how Clark knows that she won't get pregnant of a half alien baby for instance. He doesn't know is he is able of getting Lois pregnant but he doesn't even know if condoms or pills even work with a Kryptonian. So he seems to be overlooking a lot of stuff in here, doesn't he?

My wish, of course, would be that the show would dealt with all these issues so we could see how they solve them and I will want to see how Lois learns the secret and how they deal whit the whole thing. But it's not me the one that have that choice and they gave to me a lot of things that I never believed I would see in this show so... I'm not complaining for now.
jeannev
Oct. 29th, 2009 06:44 pm (UTC)
You summed up a lot of the problems here very well. And honestly, this can be entertaining stuff to watch. *IF* they truly deal with it. But will it be dealt with, or will they just pretend these issues don't exist, and gloss over it all?

I'm sort of over television's penchant for "will-they-won't-they?" couples. Its just not my thing. At all. Its so overdone at this point, its boring. I'd rather see a show put a couple together, and then try to write an entertaining show from there. SV has this opportunity. Hopefully, they'll handle it well.
(Deleted comment)
jeannev
Oct. 29th, 2009 07:23 pm (UTC)
I'm so glad I posted this here because I love hearing everyones thoughts. Unfortunately, K-Site is a little too adverserial to anyone that isn't in lockstep with the majority. No ones fault, it just is what it is. But here? Its like a chat among friends, and I love that. :)

I don't expect Clark to tell Lois his secret without first giving it serious thought but, if he is serious about her I can't see how he can develop a relationship with her and possibly become intimate without being totally honest about who he is.

Right, Exactly! Are they going to have Clark coming up with lame excuses not to have sex with Lois? And he's certainly not going to be intimate without telling her, right? Right?? Please?

Then, there's always the issue of whether this is a good time for Clark to be starting a romantic relationship, what with the training, and Zod, and all that. But thats a whole other topic.
Page 1 of 2
<<[1] [2] >>
( 54 comments — Leave a comment )

Profile

augustman
jeannev
Valerie

Latest Month

October 2011
S M T W T F S
      1
2345678
9101112131415
16171819202122
23242526272829
3031     

Tags

Powered by LiveJournal.com