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First off, thanks to everyone for pointing me to the way of fast downloads.  I did get to see the episode yesterday.  I also watched it again tonight, with my sister.  I usually watch it with her, and I don't like to write a review before I get to factor in her assessments.  Because she's 100% internet-free, and not at all influenced by fandom, I find that she helps me with perspective.

Now, here be the numbers:

Episode running time: 41m, 27s

Clark: 16m, 52s
Chloe: 9m, 36s
Lois: 20m, 18s
Tess: 4m, 53s

Corben/Metallo: 16m, 40s
Dr. Hamilton: 2m, 56s

Year to Date Totals (# of eps)

Clark(2): 27m, 55s
Chloe(2): 19m, 54s
Lois(2): 34m, 8s
Oliver(1): 3m, 41s
Tess(2): 12m, 10s
Zod(1): 7m, 20s

Corben/Metallo(2): 20m, 27s
Dr Hamilton(2): 5m, 40s

And here be my thoughts (I have no idea why I'm talking like a Pirate, ARGH!)

Type your cut contents here. 

I thought BAG did a really, really wonderful job with this role, and I thought John Corben was a pretty well conceived character overall.  I only wish he had been around longer, and had more development.  I still think he should've been a 9x02/9x03 villian, and not wasted with 4m in the premiere.  Ah well, no use crying over spilt milk.

BAG really brought a lot of gravitas to the table.  I think he might be one of the best short term villians, since probably Dean Cain's Dr Knox.

I thought the effects of his kryptonite implants were very well done, and did anyone notice how he was almost walking very Terminator-like?  He must've picked that up on his last job.

I'm not sure how I feel, however, at his transformation being due to the Kandorians.  I had a bit of a problem wrapping my head around that.  But then again, I have a problem wrapping my heard around that whole Zod/Kandor storyline, and it appears that its only going to get more complicated.  Didn't we already do a body lying in the middle of a kryptonian symbol with Raya in S6?  Seemed awfully familiar.

I've read a lot of comments about how Superman-ly Clark was in this episode, and how amazing he was.  Well, make sure everyone is sitting when they read this, but....I'm not sure I really agree.  Sure, we had him out there, saving people as The Blur.  But to me, Clark did a REALLY stupid thing in this episode, which is calling Lois about the keys.  Chloe was right when she questioned him about what he thought was going to happen.  Also, it seems to me we had a return of Clark running to someone to get the answer.  I'll cut him slack on the Emil thing, since maybe the special device was his idea.  But enlisting Lois' help?  Running to Chloe when Lois went missing?  Yeah, not impressed in either.

So, Clark was a mixed bag for me.  Not something I say very often.  Oh, and since when does Clark use the term "meteor freak" ?  Since NEVER! 

I did like how he handled his final confrontation with Corben though.  The lead breast plate was a clever touch.  But hasn't Clark figured out yet not to leave dangerous things behind?  How else could Tess have gotten her hands on the kryptonite heart that Metallo was sporting?  I'd have preferred to see him dispose of it, then maybe Tess could've built her own from the plans left behind.  Clever all around (probably not a doable thing for SV)

It was great to see Shelby again.  But my inner animal lover was kind of upset, thinking about poor Shelby spending most of her day, alone at the farm, just waiting for Clark to stop by for a little while, and feed her.  Animals are social creatures, and it just made me feel bad for her.  I guess I'd just as soon that they had said Clark's neighbor, Ben Hubbard, had taken her in.  Or something like that.  Still, I appreciate the continuity.

Also, kudos for a Mama Kent mention.  I guess we should infer that she's in-the-know with the Clark stuff.

I love Dr Hamilton.  I so want to keep this guy around.  I adore his droll delivery.

Well....deep breath....the Chlark stuff.  I'm really not sure how I'm supposed to feel about that.  I guess, for me, here's the thing....I still haven't heard from Clark why he's not so keen about he and Chloe being BFF's anymore.  Now, that isn't to say that I don't think Clark has good reasons to feel that way.  Going by last season, I can definitely understand why he'd feel differently.  But where's the dialogue?  Where's the explanation?  All we're getting is that whole "cutting himself off from everyone" nonsense, which is obviously a big crock of shit when he's calling Lois to chat.  I didn't much care for the scene of Chloe berating Clark at the farm, but on the other hand, I sort of got where she was coming from.  It seemed sort of ridiculous to me that Clark would suggest that Chloe was taking this too personally.  How the hell else should she be taking it?  It  IS personal.

And probably some of the problem here is that there is no one else on the show to represent people Clark cares about that he's cutting himself off from.  If Mama Kent was still on the show, and Clark was acting this way towards her, then we'd be establishing a context.  But since Chloe is it, then really it just comes across as Clark being sick of Chloe, and just preferring Lois.  And to me, it just doesn't translate well.

That last Chlark scene drove me crazy, because HERE was the place for the big talk.  HERE was the time for Clark to discuss how he feels there are trust issues (as there should be), and how he felt undermined by Chloe (because he was), or even how he felt that her declaring that she's doing everything for him just feels plain wrong.  This is all valid stuff, to be thrown on the table, and hashed out.  Instead, we get Clark apologizing for not being there for Chloe.  I thought my head was going to explode.  And we get absolutely NO acknowledgement from Chloe that her actions may have contributed to the state of this friendship.  And I can only assume that no acknowledgement from Chloe is because this is the POV of the TPTB. 

That just about blows my hope for any sort of satisfying resolution to the Clark/Oliver stuff, or the chances of Clark ever getting an apology over being stabbed in the back.  Literally.  This is an enormous problem for me.

I was really liking where they were going, with Clark talking about his inability to detach, and it was sounding like a much more general thing, and not just a Lois thing, which I think is really more of a justice to Clark's character.  But then Chloe turned it back around to Lois, and Clark didn't disagree, and so I felt like thats their angle.  I also didn't much care for Chloe calling Clark a "disguise".  That dog won't really hunt on this show.

I do really like the idea that we are getting more Chloe/Lois stuff, but I'm not sure I like the execution.  Was the stuff with Lois referring to herself as The Blur's sidekick, while Chloe makes a sad face, even necessary?  Let me pose this question....if you had your choice....would you rather have watched a touching scene of Chloe and Lois discussing what happened with Davis and Jimmy?  Or one where Lois is telling Chloe about her dreams?...or would you rather have scenes of them where Lois is fangurling The Blur while Chloe look hurt and angry? 

The Tess/Lois stuff was fine.  And I really liked Tess' new assistant.  He can also stay.

Now, the mixed bag that was the Clark/Lois/Blur stuff....

Let me lay this right on the table....I'm not a fan of the triangle for two.  In any incarnation.  I've always thought it made Superman sort of look like a dick, and made Lois sort of look like an idiot.  And well, with SV's version?  It might not be to that degree, but its along the same lines.  I don't really like that Clark is doing this.  I know I'm supposed to think its sweet and romantic, and all swoon-worthy, but really, it seems a bit cruel to me.  I mean, where does he see this going?  Or ending up?  I sort of understand why the Superman of the comics went this path, but I'm really not getting why its the right path for our Clark on SV. 

Lately, I've been really pondering the question....Do you change the show to fit the mythos, regardless of how well it fits?  Or do you do what feels right for the show?  In the case of Lois and The Blur and the phone calls, I really think we're doing more of the former then the latter.

And there's the Lois side of it.  I'm not sure I'm much liking this fangurly version of Lois.  Again, I know its supposed to be sweet, but I think she comes across a little silly. 

I guess I'm just not going to stop wishing that the show had stuck more to a course of blazing their own trail with the Clois stuff.  They have a bit, with Lois falling in love with him first and all.  And here, I think its totally working.  But the other stuff?  Not so successful to me.  That could also be a consequence of them really overdoing it a bit in the first 2 eps.

But on the subject of Clois, I do think their final scene together was positively charming.  This is the Clark and Lois I prefer watching.  Sweet, flirty and playful.  Lois acting like herself, Clark acting like himself.  I believe that this is...pardon the expression...the money shot.  Not the Blur/Lois nonsense.

On a superficial note, Tom Welling in the black...How you so Pretty?

Still hating Erica's haircut and style in a serious way.  It looks like New Jersey mall hair.  She's needs to put in a few highlights, take about 4" off the bottom, and go for a more feathery bang.  I don't think the hair does her any justice to how pretty she is. 

On the other hand, I very much like Allison's more wavy hair this season.

And whoever it is at SV that keeps putting these long shirts with the the shorter jackets, just PLEASE, get a new style already.  I'm so tired of it.  I did love Erica's outfit at the end at the DP though.  That was super cute.

Overall, I think I did like this episode a bit more then Savior.  But I'm having some major issues with the storyline in general, and I don't see these issues going away for me. 

I hope BAG comes back.

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jeannev
Oct. 4th, 2009 05:05 am (UTC)
No, you made a lot of sense. I'm more of a bare bones analyzer/reviewer. I tend to dwell on the details. Sometimes to an annoying degree. I can't help it.

I agree with you that the Triangle for Two is a tricky thing indeed. In the hands of these showrunners? *shudders*
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canadabear
Oct. 4th, 2009 04:27 am (UTC)
I still haven't heard from Clark why he's not so keen about he and Chloe being BFF's anymore.
You mentioned in a comment to my "Savior" review that you were waiting for Clark's POV, and I remember not being sure what you meant. Now I do! However, I'm not sure I agree. I don't think Clark has made a specific decision to not be Chloe's friend/BFF anymore. He chose to leave everyone - his mother included and with her blessing, apparently, as she's perpetuating the "visiting family" excuse to Lois - and that meant Chloe, too. He lumped everyone together, making no one person more special than the other. Now, this did get screwed up when Lois showed up, but I believe Clark when he says it was (initially, at least) because he didn't get closure with her, as one of the "special" people he used to designate; he said goodbye to Chloe, he got his nod to Oliver at Jimmy's funeral, he obviously spoke to Martha. He got nothing with Lois because she was missing. So I'm not sure what more Clark can elaborate on in regard to Chloe that he hasn't already, because I truly think there's nothing more to it than that. Now, I think there should be more to it with the trust issues etc, but I don't think Clark sees it that way. Unfortunately.

I don't really like that Clark is doing this. I know I'm supposed to think its sweet and romantic, and all swoon-worthy, but really, it seems a bit cruel to me. I mean, where does he see this going? Or ending up?
He hasn't thought of that. To a degree, I see him being as caught up in things as Lois is, but for different reasons so far. He called her the first time because he thought she deserved a bit of a pick-me-up after what she went through in "Stiletto". Which he ended up actually enjoying because he got something he's never really had - someone he can talk to about hero stuff who isn't questioning his every move or telling him what he should or shouldn't do. I can see how that would be hard for him to let go of, not because it's Lois, but because it's comforting at a time when he actually needs someone to be this for him.

As for down the road? Not a consideration, because this wasn't the plan. He wasn't supposed to keep talking to her. Remember, all told, it's been what, two months since "Stiletto"? This is still new to Clark, too, and I expect that S9 will be tackling this very issue of how does he continue to do this to someone he cares about without now ruining what they have. Something tells me we won't be getting the "Superman is a Dick" shenanigans comics!Clark pulled on comics!Lois to keep her in the dark, but rather a Clark who is struggling with his conscience about it.
jeannev
Oct. 4th, 2009 05:09 am (UTC)
I don't think Clark has made a specific decision to not be Chloe's friend/BFF anymore. He chose to leave everyone - his mother included and with her blessing, apparently, as she's perpetuating the "visiting family" excuse to Lois - and that meant Chloe, too.

But thats what I'm talking about in regards to context. Since there is no other character on the show that represents this, we are left with Chloe alone. And so, it feels like its aimed at Chloe. Maybe its not supposed to. But when we're seeing so much of her POV, and her hurt, and her anger, then I think its a bit unavoidable to not see this as personal.

Now, I think there should be more to it with the trust issues etc, but I don't think Clark sees it that way. Unfortunately.

Which would seem to suggest that they are just sweeping last season under the rug, and I find that very disappointing.

I hope we do see a Clark that struggles with all this phone call stuff. I think thats the only way for this to work. At least for me. I find it sort of disappointing that Clark doesn't seem to have learned many lessons from his past serious relationship. But I always knew that this was going to be a big pothole for the show.

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tasabian
Oct. 4th, 2009 04:54 am (UTC)
I was disappointed. Savior promised a cool calculating villain in Corben and what do we get? Another emo-villain with an over-elaborate back-story that - surprise! - makes everything Clark's fault. Brian Austin Green was great but I wanted him to be scary, not sobby.

I'm not sure I'm much liking this fangurly version of Lois. Again, I know its supposed to be sweet, but I think she comes across a little silly.
Agreed. IMO, there should be more serious investigating of his identity, less fan-girling. Watching Lois close in on Clark's identity should be suspenseful.

This is the Clark and Lois I prefer watching. Sweet, flirty and playful. Lois acting like herself, Clark acting like himself.
Yes, I liked this too. Lovely to see Clark smiley & happy and have a light-hearted scene at the end of all the angst.

Let me pose this question....if you had your choice....would you rather have watched a touching scene of Chloe and Lois discussing what happened with Davis and Jimmy? Or one where Lois is telling Chloe about her dreams?...or would you rather have scenes of them where Lois is fangurling The Blur while Chloe look hurt and angry?
Why regress Chloe back to her jealous incarnation of S2? Is it building up Lois at another character's expense, a la Lana? The relationship between the cousins is nice: why mess with it? And there should absolutely have been a scene where Lois learns about Jimmy: to gloss over it makes Lois look oblivious or heartless.

Instead, we get Clark apologizing for not being there for Chloe. I thought my head was going to explode. And we get absolutely NO acknowledgement from Chloe that her actions may have contributed to the state of this friendship.
That seems to be the script default to end any scene: Clark apologizes. It was the perfect opportunity to clear the air & they dropped the ball.

*hopes for more Tom next week*
jeannev
Oct. 4th, 2009 05:12 am (UTC)
I actually thought they did a decent job of not making Corben an emo-villian, but he did get the sob story. I don't think SV can help itself when it comes to that.

I think they're in something of a pickle with the Lois/Blur stuff, because if they do have her investigating him, and trying to uncover his identity, then does that recall too strongly the experiances Clark had with Chloe, Lex and Lana in the earlier days of the series?

And I'm hoping for more Tom next week too.
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kissme_myfool
Oct. 4th, 2009 08:10 am (UTC)
Just going to put this out there, but I have to say it, if it were Chloe that had more screen time then Clark? Well all hell would break loose.

And probably some of the problem here is that there is no one else on the show to represent people Clark cares about that he's cutting himself off from. If Mama Kent was still on the show, and Clark was acting this way towards her, then we'd be establishing a context. But since Chloe is it, then really it just comes across as Clark being sick of Chloe, and just preferring Lois. And to me, it just doesn't translate well.


So much word. And how can the fans not take it personally? I know I have. Thankful I've not watched live. Just Chloe scenes from a friend braver than I willing to chop the episode up for me.

How I explained it is that Clark has guilt. He is so guilty about what happened to them last year that he can't be around her. *shrugs* That's all I got lol

TY for the screentimes!
jeannev
Oct. 4th, 2009 03:43 pm (UTC)
Well, you're right. If it was Chloe, some people would be going nuts. But then again, some people who be in heaven too ;) I think this is the first time where I seem to be the target of so much resentment for posting the numbers though. Thats why I've decided not to post them at K-Site anymore.

I totally understand the fans taking it personally. At first, I thought Chloe fans might be overreacting, but now, I think probably not.

Thats a decent wank with Clark. As I've said, I think there are really valid reasons for the change, but if the show won't let him verbalize and acknowledge them, I guess wank is all we got. And that does no character the justice they deserve.

Edited at 2009-10-04 04:26 pm (UTC)
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goodvibe
Oct. 4th, 2009 10:02 am (UTC)
Well, that's a second week in a row of disappointing ST numbers for Clark. And this was an ep where I actually did feel as if there was more Clark, oddly enough. I was obviously totally off my rocker. It's frustrating. And if this is a season long trend then it's going to become a huge problem for me. At the moment though, and I'm being as honest as I possibly can when I say this, I can't exactly resent Lois for her increased ST, because I don't think it has come directly and consequentially at the expense of Clark'. Not yet anyway, IMO. In 'Savior', it was very much a case of the two shoehorned Lois/Ollie and Lois/Corben scenes, which were more IMO for the benefit of the latter characters. And here, I'm genuinely surprised because it didn't feel like Lois overload, to me. Truthfully, other characters have had several instances of getting more ST than Clark, most notably Chloe, and iften Ollie. And those weren't fun rides at all. All I can hope is the ST issue balances out from next week onwards, becauae I hate having to have to start dreading a season where Lois finally has some prominence in the overall storyline. Because she's one character who in her 6th year, actually deserves an increased presence, IMO. And yet, nothing should take way from a Clark sentric season, ever. So yeah, this is not a happy position for me to be in, I'll admit.

ITA with you on the Corben stuff as well as your general sentiments on the triangle for two. I haven't always minded it in other incarnations, I'll admit upfront, but on this show, with these characters, it isn't a seamless fit. And I think it would be wise for TPTB to realize that they've already set up a genuine, solid and unique foundation and story for their Clark and Lois. This needs to essentially remain the focus, as opposed to Blur/Lois.
jeannev
Oct. 4th, 2009 03:52 pm (UTC)
Well, part of Lois' screentime included her being unconscious, so that might account for part of the perception.

I don't resent Lois, or any character. I'm just disappointed in the writing, and I'm disappointed in the way they decided to structure the eps. I do feel like the eps were more Lois-centric then Clark-centric. I realize that he's very much a part of her whole story, but it just feels to me like its his story filtered through her, and that makes it more about her then him to me.

I think where I'm coming from is that I think the show has definitely lost something by not making Clark our POV character. By not doing the show more through his eyes. Think back to S3, and Exile. Here we had a Clark that disappeared and changed his name, but the story was done from his POV. Other characters got to show the effect of his absence, but the bulk of the story was still on Clark. Or, think of Crusade. Another ep where Clark was no longer Clark. Martha got a heavy POV there, but still, the show very heavily followed Clark in his Kal-El guise. Now, take this season. Hell, we don't even know where Clark is living. The FOS? I guess. Clark's POV on Chloe remains muddled. We still have absolutely no perspective on Clark's feelings about Oliver and the JLA. And I think that this is stuff that should've been established early, since this is Clark's story. I'm not even sure what Clark and Jor-El are doing up at the fortress. What does this training entail? Can we see a little of it?

Instead, there seems to be a choice made to play up Clark's feelings for Lois as the most important aspect to his story, and to do the show more from her POV. I don't resent her. I'm just sorry that they took this particular path. I don't agree with it.

I think the triangle for two is an acquired taste. I've been vocal all along that I wasn't a fan. I've stayed very consistent. I just really think the show doesn't need it, and the I think the real Clois stuff far outshines it.

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chatchien
Oct. 4th, 2009 04:32 pm (UTC)
But my inner animal lover was kind of upset, thinking about poor Shelby spending most of her day, alone at the farm, just waiting for Clark to stop by for a little while, and feed her. Animals are social creatures, and it just made me feel bad for her.

I don't know, it appears to me that Shelby has been living it up. First she goes transgender and changes her sex. And now I hear that she running with the Wild Coyotes with Clark gone. And she's on a diet. Did you see how she just picks at her food? And she was having as good a time as Tess has with Lois with her sleepover at Lois's. Don't be surprised if you see Shelby with a buzz cut and streaks. That dog is getting around.

Thanks for the screentime totals.
jeannev
Oct. 5th, 2009 12:09 am (UTC)
LMAO. You always make me smile.

Yes, now I see how mistaken I was about Shelby.
eeyore1017
Oct. 4th, 2009 04:42 pm (UTC)
Thanks once again for the minutes.
Episode content aside, it's just so wrong in my opinion that after 2 episodes, Lois still has the most screen time. Supposedly, next week is "Clark and Lois solve the Zombie mystery," but if Lois has more screen time again, I'm going to be pissed. Metallo did not have enough Clark in it for me. I know that he doesn't need to be in every scene, but come on!

I agree with you that I would rather have seen a scene where Lois & Chloe discuss Jimmy or something of importance as opposed to Lois talking about being the sidekick and making Chloe feel like crap just so us viewers could pick up on the "irony" of that convo. Grr...
jeannev
Oct. 5th, 2009 12:12 am (UTC)
I'm not holding screentime against Lois. In fact, that really is not even a consideration for me. My concern is Clark's screentime. And how I think these 2 eps are solidifying for me what I believe is a problematic shift in how this show tells their stories now. I used to say that Clark was our sun, with all the other characters in orbit around him. Thats still true enough, but I think now the show is shifting into a POV from the planet, with the sun being something off in the distant. Always there, always around, but not quite having that perception of being the center of the universe.

Does that make any sense?

Not allowing Lois a reaction to Jimmy is just suckass!
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jlvsclrk
Oct. 4th, 2009 10:09 pm (UTC)
It's a strange situation for me because while I find the ST minutes kind of appalling, at the same time I am really enjoying the start of the season. I knew the minutes would be light because Clark was barely in the first half of the episdoe - I'd bet at least 3/4s of the time was racked up in his last 3 scenes - all of which I found exceptional.

That said, I agree with you about the worrisome choices the writers seem to be making. In retrospect, I'm going to have to take a bit off my original rating of saviour because I feel if the show was going to go the training route, we should have had a scene where Clark was working on the Fortress to repower it, and also have some discussion of what the training actually entails. I find the fanboy obsession with flight utterly vexatious, and those few lines they wrote to "explain" the situation just don't feel right. Add in two more Clark scenes to explain what he's up to, how he's feeling about the people in his lives and ditch the Ollie stuff.

Metallo worked for me in that he was somewhat sympathetic, and although the whole "who are you to interfere" bit was an excuse in his head, I don't think it would come across to many as a valid one. I thought we got just enough of him in his debut performance and would love to see him come back, perhaps turning his ire on a much more deserving target - the kryptonians who experimented on him. I think that has lots of potential.

Chloe seriously needs to get a life - some sense of identity separate from her being Clark's go to gal. As much as I disliked what Clark did in Abyss, that was the only time we've seen her happy in what seems like forever. Oh, and when she was hanging out with Davis a few times. But of course, that was all for Clark. *is bitter* Did I dislike that Clark apologised to her and that she failed to do the same? Of course! But then I remember how the Lex apologists drive me mad with their laundry lists of things Clark needs to grovel to Lex for that I thought were handled by a tacit exchange (ie, borrowing Lex's car back in S3) so I guess I'm willing to accept that Chloe's responses ARE her idea of an apology. Did that last sentence make any sense?

Long story short: I'm not hitting the panic button yet.
jeannev
Oct. 5th, 2009 12:16 am (UTC)
Honestly, I found Metallo very entertaining myself. Savior? I'm more mixed on that. But I guess my issue is that I think the season could've started out stronger, and in a more positive way for me if I truly felt that the season was starting off Clark-centric, with his POV clearly articulated and defined. And I just don't.

I do believe that the writers are struggling for a place for Chloe in the show now. I think they're in a corner now thats going to be hard to get out of.

And NO, definitely don't hit the panic button. 2 eps is way too early. Right now, we're getting a feel for whats going on, and whats possibly to come. I totally think one should wait on the button until the show gives you no other choice.
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jeannev
Oct. 5th, 2009 12:20 am (UTC)
This has been a problem for how many seasons now?

Since S6, actually. Thats when it started, I think.

Anyway, that's too bad about not being able to post ST at K-site. Why are people so vicious?

I don't know if I'd describe it as vicious. But I think everyone has just gotten so defensive, me included. So, anything is perceived as an attack. I don't know. I just don't have the patience for it.

I do agree that Chloe is very propriety over Clark. But, in all fairness, didn't he allow this to happen? Its been pretty obvious for a while now, and he didn't seem to have a problem with it.

And I hear ya on a lack of trust in these showrunners and writers. They've earned that, in spades.
(Anonymous)
Oct. 5th, 2009 07:34 pm (UTC)
The Chlark stuff is hard for me to break down. I think that out of all of the scenes that I've seen so far this season, the Chlark scenes have been the best, which is strange for me to say because I'm not a Chlark fan. However, I think that TPTB are dropping the ball on a few things. From Clark's standpoint, he should be furious at Chloe for what she tried to pull with Davis. Instead, he blames himself. Nothing new there, I suppose. From Chloe's standpoint, I guess I can see why she would be upset that Clark didn't turn back time to bring Jimmy back. I can also understand why she would be hurt that Clark is reaching out to Lois instead of her. IMO though, this all goes back to Clark not putting his feelings out there in terms of what Chloe did last season with Davis. I think that everything stems from this as far as Clark is concerned, or at least that's the reason that I am giving Clark. TPTB have a nice conflict going between Chlark but once again, they really fail at getting to the heart of the problem with these two and my fear is that this same thing is going to continue this entire season. They could bury it now by having both characters reveal the way they are feeling but I think that this sounds too logical for TPTB.

In terms of the screentime, when Clark's story is driving the show, which happened a lot in the earlier seasons, he'll appear in more scenes. Since TPTB have decided to create all of these arcs for other characters that really don't have a lot to do with Clark, at least right now, that's when Clark's screentime suffers. Zod is going to be a big part of this season. If Clark appeared in 10% of Zod's scenes this season, I'd be shocked. This stuff with Oliver? Nothing at all to do with Clark. I think that Clark pretty much has Lois. Her storylines will involve him and vice versa, but I don't see that being the case with the rest of the characters, Chloe included. I'm sure that there will be a point where she'll work on something with Dr. Emil and Oliver and Clark will be kept out of it.
(Anonymous)
Oct. 5th, 2009 07:37 pm (UTC)
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Oct. 6th, 2009 12:17 pm (UTC)
Oct. 6th, 2009 12:12 pm (UTC)
Nice to see the screentime totals: it always helps me to organise my thoughts about the ep.First of all: congrats BAG; great performance. It would be great to see Metallo come back but if he doesn´t"Job well done!!"(except for a few details that you so well pointed out but I'm willing to let that go by!) Having said that, let's get dirty:I agree with your post and I've also been nodding my head in agreement to some comments as well. I've never been a CHLARK-ship fan, at least not in a romantic kind of way. So I have no expectations on that department. But Chloe's character was introduced in SM and "the rest is history as they say". Right now she is the only one from CK's early-life and that has to be accounted for in the storyline. And you're right: if they want to pursue that path(the shift in their relationship)they have to verbalize it; we need to SEEE it happen. That has to be properly exploited(with these showrunners...yeah,right!!)I think they have come to a crossroad: either they follow the traditional SuperMan mythos(and disregard the background that SM itself has established) or they continue what they have started and has brought them successfully here.So far they have made the wrong choice: copy-cat the mythos and to some extent "betray" the foundations on which SM was built on!And that will take us to the next topic: Lois. I'll be honest: I always thought Lois was introduced too soon . She was always Metropolis-based and a part a CK's Metrop. life.But I've grown to enjoy their interaction albeit different from the other versions.But now they decided to resume the original "triangle for2" and that is obviously self-destructive.It's not the best angle from the original story: both characters come out of it very badly .I also agree with the Lois fangirling thing: it's just plain silly and Erica looks even sillier than usual.I mean:seriously?I'm not sure this particular version of Lois is compatible with this unique version of "CK by TW".let's see where this is going.I'd like to see it go up to S10 but that depends on how they play it.Sorry for the long rambling!
jeannev
Oct. 6th, 2009 01:37 pm (UTC)
Hello Anonymous :)

I would also like BAG back. I just hope if he does, that they write him as well as they did here. I know some didn't much care for the emo part of his storyline, and I think thats a fair point. But overall, I thought the character was strongly rendered. The fear with bringing him back is that he won't be handled as well a 2nd time. Do we tempt fate?

I do believe the conflict between Chlark is organic. I just believe they are only skimming the surface with it, rather then taking a genuine conflict where both characters have a valid POV, and really digging into that. And that just makes the conflict seem superficial.

I'm OK with Lois, and the Clois stuff. A lot of it is not the way I personally would've handled it. And I'm sorry, but I do believe that whats come before seriously impacts this storyline. Its probably better to try not to think about that stuff too much, but I'm a "whole picture" kind of gal. I have no complaints at all about the chemistry between TW & ED, though I'm someone who thinks he has pretty great chemistry with just about all his leading ladies, and most of the men as well.
tariel22
Oct. 8th, 2009 12:32 am (UTC)
Yay! I finally get to read your review! I do so love reading your thoughts. You share such great insights, that open my eyes, and really help me see what my show COULD be.

Your screentime minutes, as always, are a revelation. My strongest reaction to these first two episodes? NEEDS MOAR CLARK! I'm hoping that now that he's back at the DP, we'll see those minutes go up. Not that I think Clark feels peripheral to the story, I don't. I just want to see more of him.

Of course you're right about Clark and Chloe, but I'm still going to fanwank rather than take things at face value, because I refuse to believe my beloved Clark is a douche. :) Because you know what this feels like to me? When your BFF gets a new boyfriend, and suddenly she just wants to spend all her time with him, and never has time to call or hang out with you anymore.

Chloe is so nasty, and bitter, and sarcastic. It's so hurtful. She reminded me more than anything of Chloiac. How can she talk to Clark that way, even if she is mad at him? I can only conclude that she thinks she was right, that every action she took with Davis was justified, and that every bad thing that happened was Clark's fault. Which just seems so outrageously arrogant to me.

OTOH, obviously when Clark left she was devastated, and perhaps to survive she clung to the idea that this was her supreme sacrifice, one that was bigger and more important than anything she and Clark felt for each other. So when Lois reappeared and suddenly Clark was back, sneaking phone calls and refusing to say goodbye, that could have destroyed her all over again, and I can see where it would then feel like it had been a very personal rejection from Clark at the end of Doomsday, with no nobility, and no service to the greater good. That certainly could make her bitter.

But either way, she's not acknowledging her role or responsibility in ANYTHING, and that kills any sympathy I might have felt for her. I can see Clark not berating her, figuring she's been through enough already, and thinking being his friend is a burden already, but he needs to explain why their relationship has changed. Not to list out her faults or mistakes, but to make her understand it will take time to be able to trust her unconditionally again, and that his feelings for Lois, whatever they are, have nothing to do with it.

That whole conversation at the farmhouse was weird. Of course Chloe's going to take the way Clark treats her differently from Lois personally; it IS personal. And since when does Chloe even buy into Clark's destiny as Jor-El envisions it, much less make sacrifices so it can happen?

Sometimes I think the Chloe fans are right, that the show is clumsily breaking down the Chlark friendship to make way for the Clois romance, because TPTB believe you can't have both. I thought what they started in Doomsday had real potential, the idea of Chloe, who has been so loyal to Clark for so long, finally finding something (her feelings for Davis) that is a deal breaker between them, and how they find their way back from that. If it all comes down to Clark dumping Chloe because he likes Lois better, that's going to be pathetic.

And there was more I was going to say about the episode, but I've worn myself out ranting about the Chlark. Sorry. :)
jeannev
Oct. 8th, 2009 02:13 am (UTC)
NEEDS MOAR CLARK!

Thats always my personal mantra. :)

Of course you're right about Clark and Chloe, but I'm still going to fanwank rather than take things at face value, because I refuse to believe my beloved Clark is a douche.

Oh, me too. No matter how upset I might get with Clark, or whether I agree with his actions or not, he's never a douche to me. My Clark is never to be name called!! I have spoken.

And really, I understand completely what you are saying in regards to Chloe. It really is an unfortunate dynamic all around. And while Clark not verbalizing whats going on with him frustrates me, OTH, Chloe's actions and words also frustrate me. If find it so hard not to look at what happened last season and find her to blame. But the show won't say it. They won't confirm, or deny it, so it feels like there's all this unsaid stuff in the air. And I'm confused as to what I'm supposed to be thinking here.

But, whatever, I'm never OK with anyone, ANYONE, throwing down the "I've done so much for you" card on Clark. Because, ah, yeah, he's done quite a bit for you as well. And anyway, if thats what you choose to do, I'm guessing its not because you thought you were due some sort of payback, right?

Sometimes I think the Chloe fans are right, that the show is clumsily breaking down the Chlark friendship to make way for the Clois romance, because TPTB believe you can't have both.

I think there's likely some validity there. Honestly, they shoved themselves into a corner with the way they've developed certain relationships in Clark's life prior to this season, and I get the feeling that they are sort of taking the easy way out of dealing with that now that its Clois! Clois! Clois! With Lana, I assume she'll be She-Who-Is-Never-Mentioned, and with Chloe, it does feel like a bit of a shove out the door.

Better writers would do a better job. These writers? Its probably all they can manage.

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