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Savior Screentime Totals


And boy, are they disappointing to me.

ETA:  Reposting these are fine, but I would respectfully request that these aren't taken and reposted at TWoP.  There is a very specific reason I don't post there anymore, and I don't really want my efforts to be posted on a HateSV/Hate Clark/Hate Tom website.  I can't, of course, stop anyone.  But I do make the request.

But, behind the cut, to be safe...Type your cut contents here


Savior:

Total Running Time: 41m, 18s
"Previously On" running time: 1m, 30s

Clark Kent: 11m, 3s*
Chloe Sullivan: 10m, 18s
Lois Lane: 13m, 50s
Oliver Queen: 3m, 41s
Tess Mercer: 7m, 17s
Zod: 7m, 20s

Dr Hamilton: 2m, 44s
John Corben: 3m, 47s

*This is the lowest screentime total for Clark in a premiere, and this is the first time he's ever had a lower total then any other character in a premiere. There is actually a 9+m stretch in the episode, from 13:05 to 22:54 where Clark is off screen.

Note: The length of Lois' dream/vision was 23s. Since the vision was quick flashes, it was impossible to get any any accurate screentime minutes for any characters from it. It does not factor into any of the above totals.



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(Anonymous)
Sep. 27th, 2009 05:43 am (UTC)
Not too bad.
Actually, I was worried that Lois' screentime would be like 20 mins, but it's a good thing that it was only a little bit. The only reason she got a little more than Clark was because of her scenes with Oliver. Had Oliver not been in the episode, Lois' screentime would be the same as Chloe's. The 9 min gap from 13-22 minutes in the episode was pretty disturbing.
jeannev
Sep. 27th, 2009 06:24 am (UTC)
Re: Not too bad.
I pretty much thought the Ollie scenes served no real purpose.
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jeannev
Sep. 27th, 2009 06:26 am (UTC)
Honestly, I really don't think Clark should be on even footing with all the other character storywise. I don't really consider all characters created equal on this show. And I do think a premiere should've focused more strongly on Clark.

But, like you, I also suspected this outcome.
polytikal
Sep. 27th, 2009 06:47 am (UTC)
Not surprising. I think it came out of how they chose to tell the story. Clark was off training by himself while the other characters were in the thick of the plot. Also as a result of the story (cutting himself off from humanity), he only gets to interact with a disembodied voice and Chloe.

I think what pushes Lois' screentime over Clark's are the unnecessary Corben and Ollie scenes. Neither had any reason to be in the episode, but I guess they wanted *something* for them in the premiere, and Lois got extra for/with them.

I know it sounds like a Lois-heavy season, but out of all of the characters, she probably most deserves a little spotlight after being shafted over and over and over again. That's not to say I think she (or anyone) should ever have more screentime than Clark, but I'm not going to mind if she gets a little retribution every now and then. :)
jeannev
Sep. 27th, 2009 05:24 pm (UTC)
I think it came out of how they chose to tell the story. Clark was off training by himself while the other characters were in the thick of the plot.

I think you're right, but I also think it was a mistake, and one of the big weaknesses of the premiere. The show is supposed to revolve around Clark. He really should be our POV character, at least when it comes to big premiere eps.
tariel22
Sep. 27th, 2009 07:25 am (UTC)
This really makes me wonder if this is the beginning of a trend. Did Tom ask for/negotiate a reduced workload, and that's what we're seeing here? I can totally see Metallo being all about Lois and Corben, with Clark swooping in to save the day at the end. I know I sound like a conspiracy theorist, but if this is deliberate, and they're limited as to how much Tom can be used in an episode, that is going to suck all the way around, for the fans AND the storytelling.

Overall, are there a lot of episodes where Clark's screentime is similar to this? Maybe it will get back to normal once Clark returns to the DP. *is worried*
jeannev
Sep. 27th, 2009 05:26 pm (UTC)
Honestly, going by spoilers, I don't think this season is going to be a big Clark-centric season. At least not to any degree that some people are claiming. When the bulk of his story starts to revolve around his love life, I think I'm forced to conclude "Houston, we have a problem".

And no, Clark's numbers are rarely this low. Ever. It happens here and there, but going below 15m is rare.
kissme_myfool
Sep. 27th, 2009 07:59 am (UTC)
I thought you heard? Its Loisville now... :/
jeannev
Sep. 27th, 2009 05:27 pm (UTC)
And thats going to be a problem for me. I'm consistent that way. :)
legendsinlove
Sep. 27th, 2009 08:05 am (UTC)
Interesting. If you take out Lois' scenes with Ollie and Corben she'd be in the episode for only about 6-7 minutes.

I am actually surprised that they took the time to introduce Corben in the premiere. That's time that could've gone to Clark and/or more intro of Zod.

I'm going to wait and see how the rest of the screentimes for the next few eps play out.
jeannev
Sep. 27th, 2009 05:29 pm (UTC)
The Corben stuff really didn't seem well placed here. I couldn't help but think it was sort of waste of having BAG as a guest star. I would've given him 2 eps heavily devoted to the character myself.
carolandtom
Sep. 27th, 2009 08:32 am (UTC)
Thanks for the totals. They are what I suspected and I guess they are the reason why I was bored to death with most of the premiere. The Zod scenes were too long to my taste, the Oliver and Corben scenes were pointless to me... It seems we are going to have lots of Lois and that Zod is going to interact mostly with Tess. Where is Clark going to be?

I didn't like the premiere. It reinforced my detachment from this show, strongly. If Clark's absence becomes a trend, I have it clear: I'll skip any scene that hasn't Clark in it. I don't watch SV to see Clark become just another member of an ensemble cast. This is not what SV was supposed to be about. Clark's absence and Fridays are going to kill this show.
jeannev
Sep. 27th, 2009 05:31 pm (UTC)
I actually didn't mind the Zod scenes, since I think that needed to be set up. My issue was more with the Ollie/Lollie scenes (totally and completely pointless), and the John Corben scenes, which seemed ill-placed in this episode.

I'm feeling a bit detached these days myself. It kind of snuck up on me in the last few weeks. And yeah, Clark being "one of the gang" isn't likely to ignite my passion for the show.

I think the ratings pretty much already tell the story of what friday nights are going to do with this show.
jlvsclrk
Sep. 27th, 2009 09:48 am (UTC)
Wow, that's really disturbing. I knew it was going to be Clark-lite, but he had more timing in the excrable Power for goodness sake! I'll wait for a few more episodes before hitting the panic button, but this is just plain wrong. Ollie needs to go IMO.
jeannev
Sep. 27th, 2009 05:32 pm (UTC)
It does seem plain wrong to me. It just feels like a premiere should be more focused on Clark. Same with finales. But hey, what do I know? I'm becoming more and more confused over what this show is supposed to be centered on.
bop_radar
Sep. 27th, 2009 10:30 am (UTC)
I know screentimes are your 'thing' and I don't mean this as a personal attack, but I don't really think screentime is the most important indicator of whether the show is serving Clark well or poorly as a character. I'd personally rather see quality time spent on Clark than quantity... and I think that's what we got in this episode. I'm sorry it upsets you but I just thought I'd put a different view because I don't think it's reason to totally despair and personally I thought it was a very strong episode for Clark.
jeannev
Sep. 27th, 2009 05:35 pm (UTC)
No, its OK, I don't take it as a personal attack. And while I do enjoy doing the screentime totals, I guess I sort of thought that other people enjoyed them as well, and it wasn't just my thing. Maybe not.

I actually don't think screentime minutes tell the story of how well Clark is being served either. That being said, I do think this premiere could've benefitted from being more focused on Clark's part of the story. I do think the episode would've benefitted from more focus on just what Clark has been doing up at the FOS, what does this training entail, maybe another Blur save. I also think this episode would've been just fine with cutting the Ollie/Lollie stuff out altogether.

So, I think my conclusion was that Clark having a low screentime contributed to this episode not being as good as it possibly could've been. But, YMMV
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goodvibe
Sep. 27th, 2009 11:22 am (UTC)
I was expecting this. And so long as this is a ::very rare exception:: I'm willing to give it a pass, because if there was any ep that justified these kind of totals, it was this. Since tptb apparently seemed determined to cram everything and the kitchen sink too, for good measure in to it. But yeah, if it's a sign of a season long trend, then I'm going to find myself firmly in the unhappy camp.

As you commented earlier, I think if the idiot writers didn't feel the need to squeeze in the Corben and Ollie scenes straight away in the premiere, the totals might have looked different.

Thanks for continuing to do these btw.
jeannev
Sep. 27th, 2009 05:38 pm (UTC)
We so rarely disagree, but I actually think a premiere episode NEVER justifies this type of total. I think its so much more important to focus on Clark in premieres and finales, above all.

And you're welcome. I always hope that others enjoy these, and take away their own opinions about them. But even if not, I'd still do them for me.
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la_belle_isa
Sep. 27th, 2009 12:30 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the numbers. Personnally, I'm happy that Clark had 11 minutes of quality time; but in the early seasons, he used to have quality AND quantity, because the story was about him. I don't see why that should be mutually exclusive.
Tptb decided that Lois was going to be in the center of the episode, dealing with Oliver, Corben, Chloe, the blur, Alia; and while I think she's due for more face time, I hope this won't be a trend of leaving Clark at the periphery of an episode.
Oliver has got to go. He's totally useless in this show.
jeannev
Sep. 27th, 2009 05:40 pm (UTC)
Personnally, I'm happy that Clark had 11 minutes of quality time; but in the early seasons, he used to have quality AND quantity, because the story was about him. I don't see why that should be mutually exclusive.M

THIS!!^

Ah, the good ol' days. LOL Yeah, I guess I just thought that the episode should really focus on Clark's part of the story, and his POV. And I think more screentime would've helped flesh that out, and solidify it. So, while I think Clark had fine quality in this episode, I do think the episode would've been enhanced overall with more quantity.

I'm pretty much prepared for Oliver to annoy the shit out of me all season. And it does appear that JH is going to be getting plenty of focus and facetime.
tasabian
Sep. 27th, 2009 06:00 pm (UTC)
I thought both John Corben/Lois scenes were great but the Lois/Ollie scenes were completely disposable and confusingly shot. And if Zod wasn't going to meet Clark in ep#1, then we really needed only a brief glimpse of him as a teaser.

Clark is the constant that should run through all the plots. When he's off-screen too long, the pacing starts to feel "off" to me.
jeannev
Sep. 27th, 2009 06:21 pm (UTC)
I guess I just thought the Lois/Corben scenes would've been better placed in the 2nd episode, then have Corben in eps 2 & 3, as opposed to shoving him in the premiere for less then 4m. If that makes sense.

And I agree with you. When Clark is off screen for a long stretch of time, I think the episode starts to drag a bit.
eeyore1017
Sep. 28th, 2009 04:01 am (UTC)
Thanks for figuring out and posting the screen time totals. I think that Clark should ALWAYS have the highest amount of screen time except for when Tom has to prep to direct or those once in a blue moon episodes that are all about Lex or Chloe, Lois, Oliver, etc...like Reunion, Tomb, Stiletto, or Toxic.

Clark should always definitely have the most screen time in a season premiere though! Although something tells me he may not have had the highest in Odyssey.

Can you believe this is Season 9?!?!

ETA: I just checked your totals from Odyssey and even though that episode always feels "Clark-lite" to me, he still had the most screen time.

Edited at 2009-09-28 04:04 am (UTC)
jeannev
Sep. 28th, 2009 01:27 pm (UTC)
I'd be pleased if Clark always had the most screentime, of course. But is it really so unreasonable to expect that he have the most screentime in a damn premiere episode? I don't know...it just feels like starting off on the wrong foot to me.

But, I guess his presence is supposed to be enough. I gladly admit that I don't really tune into SV to feel Clark's presence with him off screen. Looking at Tom is one of this shows biggest saving graces. Its hard to do that when I'm feeling his presence.
(Anonymous)
Sep. 29th, 2009 11:02 am (UTC)
Hi there!I'm glad you took the trouble to post the screentime totals. I'm always curious about them. I TOTALLY agree with you.The premier was a bit crammed up and honestly somethings just didn't feel right but I'm glad SV is back, even if it is on Fridays!Uuuuh!I agree with the comment about this season becoming"Loisville". Let's hope NOT. I know by now I should have been engaged in the Clark /Lois thing but NOPE!Lois didn't come from the future ; she came from the 60?s ...with that hair!!!OK; looking forward from next Friday(this will take me a while!!)for Metalo and BAG.
jeannev
Sep. 29th, 2009 01:28 pm (UTC)
I'm glad you enjoy them. I post these here, and at K-Site, and I seemed to get a lot of shit at K-Site this time around. It was...less then pleasant.

I'm not ready to declare the season "Loisville". Not after one episode. I'm still willing to keep an open mind there. And I'm still hoping that they handle the Clark/Lois stuff as well as possible, even if they did decide to skip a few chapters along the way.
(Anonymous)
Oct. 6th, 2009 12:12 pm (UTC)
Nice to see the screentime totals: it always helps me to organise my thoughts about the ep.First of all: congrats BAG; great performance. It would be great to see Metallo come back but if he doesn´t"Job well done!!"(except for a few details that you so well pointed out but I'm willing to let that go by!) Having said that, let's get dirty:I agree with your post and I've also been nodding my head in agreement to some comments as well. I've never been a CHLARK-ship fan, at least not in a romantic kind of way. So I have no expectations on that department. But Chloe's character was introduced in SM and "the rest is history as they say". Right now she is the only one from CK's early-life and that has to be accounted for in the storyline. And you're right: if they want to pursue that path(the shift in their relationship)they have to verbalize it; we need to SEEE it happen. That has to be properly exploited(with these showrunners...yeah,right!!)I think they have come to a crossroad: either they follow the traditional SuperMan mythos(and disregard the background that SM itself has established) or they continue what they have started and has brought them successfully here.So far they have made the wrong choice: copy-cat the mythos and to some extent "betray" the foundations on which SM was built on!And that will take us to the next topic: Lois. I'll be honest: I always thought Lois was introduced too soon . She was always Metropolis-based and a part a CK's Metrop. life.But I've grown to enjoy their interaction albeit different from the other versions.But now they decided to resume the original "triangle for2" and that is obviously self-destructive.It's not the best angle from the original story: both characters come out of it very badly .I also agree with the Lois fangirling thing: it's just plain silly and Erica looks even sillier than usual.I mean:seriously?I'm not sure this particular version of Lois is compatible with this unique version of "CK by TW".let's see where this is going.I'd like to see it go up to S10 but that depends on how they play it.Sorry for thelog rambling!
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