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What is it with show I watch having major retcons this week? 

First, on Lost, I'm told Sawyer broke Kate's heart.  Ah, Jigga-Wha??!!  She was the one that was always dicking him around, running back and forth between him and Jack.  Luckily, the episode was still a good one.

And then there was Smallville, which had a Retcon-Lalapalooza this week.  Unfortunately, unlike Lost, this one wasn't still good.

As always, here are the totals

Running Time: 41m, 46s

Clark: 16m, 1s Total
-- TW Clark: 15m, 19s
-- Wee Clark: 42s
Chloe: 16m, 14s
Tess: 11m, 25s
Davis: 22m, 42s Total
-- SW Davis: 16m, 47s
-- Wee Davis: 5m, 55s

Wee Lex: 4m, 5s

Season to Date (# of eps)

Clark: 370m, 19s (18)
Chloe: 241m, 45s (18)
Lois: 123m, 47s (10)
Jimmy: 83m, 19s (8)
Tess: 98m, 29s (11)
Davis: 94m, 9s (10)
Oliver: 95m, 40s (9)


I do want to give fair warning, because I'm not really interested in raining on anyones happy thoughts.  I did not like Eternal.  In fact, Eternal pissed me the hell off.  Thoughts of this nature will be shared under the cut

Type your cut contents here.

Oh, Feathers is DEAD, because poor woobie DoomyDavis killed him.  Note to producers, if you expect me to ever feel sorry for a character, don't have him kill some kids pet.  Just an FYI.

So, coming off 2 weeks where I was getting my SV squee on, I'm back to feeling very frustrated with this show.  I'll lay it right on the table, I don't feel bad for Davis.  I don't find this whole Doomy tale tragic, compelling, or even entertaining.  I think SW is a fine actor, and I think he's doing a good job, but No, I don't particularly think he's the 2nd coming of Laurence Olivier.  And no, I'm not dazzled beyond words at the sizzling chemistry between him and Allison Mack.

So, starting off the review there seems to a good way of establishing my baseline for this episode.

I've never been a huge fan of shows that just decide they want to change a preexisting storyline, so they retcon it and just expect fans to pretend that the past didn't happen.  It was bad enough to create the whole Veritas thing.  Basically, its a storyline that ruined the character of Dr Virgil Swann for me.  But apparently that wasn't good enough for SV, because now we have to have Lionel knowing about Clark and who he was from just days after he landed on Earth.  All that pretending stuff, and a million other things that took place that now don't make sense?  Well, just forget them, because SV has.  They've got a shiney new toy in their weepy serial killer, so no need to respect the shows history.  Just keep distorting it until the past seems to make no sense at all.

And how many little things can I pick at here?  The fact that Lionel would have a team there to pick up the Traveler, but he would need to flag down a pick-up truck to save Lex, and get him to the hospital?  The fact that the timeline of the St George box was changed again?  The fact that it had kryptonite in it for no damned good reason at all, except Davis needed an epiphany?  The fact that Clark had dreams as a child that he crash-landed and no one found him, even though Clark was unaware of being an alien and landing in a ship until he was in his early teens

How about the rather convenient, and hard to believe, revelation that both Lex and Lionel had decided to write all this information down in journals, that they also seemed to have carelessly left around for people to find.  Lex having a journal?  OK, I can sort of see that.  Lionel writing all this down, to include illustrations of things he wasn't actually there to witness (like little Davis in the cage)?  Come the fuck on SV.  Lionel was never that stupid. 

As much as I enjoyed seeing little Connor Stanhope play young Lex again, I just felt like the flashback scenes of Davis and Lex were pointless, and frankly felt manipulative and heavy-handed.  Oh, poor, poor villians and their unfortunate childhoods,  Not their fault!
Now, that pampered bastard Clark?  Well, he's only a decent person because he had that perfect, cushy childhood.  

Which, of course, negates the fact that Clark also had difficulties in his childhood, but hey, doesn't count because he had parents who loved him.  Apparently this is something Clark should have to apologize for, and make up to the poor unfortunates for the rest of his days. 

There wasn't any character that I thought really emerged from this episode favorably.  As I said, I know I'm supposed to be all "Oh, poor woobie Davis", but really, I guess I'm going to stick with "Oh, poor dead people dumped in a field".  Call me nuts, but they get more sympathy from me then the serial killer.  I'm just crazy quirky that way.  And no, the fact that Davis has his head shoved up Chloe's ass does't really sway my opinion much.

Tess, who I was really loving, now seems to be turned into a zealot.  I'm not a huge fan of the heavy-handed use of religon here.  I understand that the Superman story has some comparisons to Jesus.  But I just don't think it works for this show.  And I'm no religious scholar, but I thought Tess using  Judas/Jesus  made no freaking sense at all.  In my limited knowledge, Judas was a friend to Jesus.  In his inner circle.  How could that possible descibe the relationship between Davis and Clark?  And as for the idea that Tess is Judas, well, that doesn't really work either since Tess can't be considered a member of Clark's trusted inner circle.  The only character that could work in that type of comparison is Chloe.  But Chloe isn't the one blathering on about how Clark needs to face his biggest foe so he can reach his fated destiny.

Which brings me to another complaint (and Man, I got a list), Clark has adopted the RBB persona.  He's out there, helping people.  What the fuck else do people want from him?  I'm quite sick to death of all these people treating Clark as a God, then being disappointed that he isn't one.  Well, he never claimed to be.  And yet, somehow, I never get the feeling this show is taking Clark's side in this ridiculousness.  I always get the feeling that, somehow, we're supposed to be thinking "Yes, what's taking you so long to save the world Clark, you lazy useless slacker"?  Why the hell would the show want to send that kind of message?

And really, I can understand Clark feeling badly for Davis, though I would also have liked him to save some compassion for all of Davis' victims as well.  But really, "Its all my fault" "We should've been brothers"?  There's making Clark show compassion, and then there's making Clark say shit like this.  Its not the same thing.

I actually do like the fact that Clark is against killing Davis, though I'm not sure what else can be done.  But I HATE, and I mean HATE that the show seems to take the postion that someone had to do it for Clark, since those silly ol' ethics of his keep him from doing what needs to be done.  Of the many things I wish this show would stop doing, a major one for me would be to stop having people do all sorts of stupid, heinous and dubious things, claiming they are "protecting Clark".  Because that shit always leads back to the same place...Clark ends up feeling responsible for it.  

I didn't like Chloe in this episode at all.  I can't sympathize with her over the Jimmy situation since she seems completely unable to acknowledge her own part in it.  I don't sympathize with her over Clark not being her shoulder to lean in when I've seen him, on screen, ask her how she is, how are things going, come over to her apartment to talk.  If Chloe does not choose to confide in him, then thats her own fucking problem.  I wasn't much impressed that her anger and hurt over finding out about Davis seemed to be more about the fact that he lied to her then the fact he...ya know...killed a whole bunch of people, gaslighted Jimmy, and tore through her wedding guests.  As for her comments about Clark's ethics, and objecting to the way he chooses to handle a threat to himself, I don't know what to say.  If she respects Clark and his views so little, what does that say about their relationship? 

Hmm, what else did I hate about this episode? 

Well, the old chestnut of Clark being responsible for Lex's life choices.  Because man, that crap never gets old /said sarcastically

The fact that they show Clark having researched and written an article,  something he was obviously passionate about, and then they have him running to Chloe for help with it  WHY?   Yeah, that shit never gets old either, except yeah, it does.

And, oh yeah, Lex is always going to be Sageeth to me

Sorry, this is all very ranty, but this episode just hit a lot of my buttons, in a bad way.  I think its utterly depressing that this episode was written by the same duo that will be the sole showrunners in S9.  I can only conclude that its going to suck for a Clark fan, because thats what souders/peterson do.


 

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svgurl
Apr. 4th, 2009 07:18 am (UTC)
Thanks as always for the screen time calculations! It's good to see. :D

Until I read people's reviews, I had no idea that Davis killed Feathers. I totally must've zoned out because I was like "really?"

There was a lot of retconning in this episode and I really feel just "meh" about the episode. I can understand why you're pissed though. They changed a lot of things just to suit their current plot.

Oh, poor, poor villians and their unfortunate childhoods, Not their fault!
Now, that pampered bastard Clark? Well, he's only a decent person because he had that perfect, cushy childhood.

I don't understand why everyone gets flashbacks to their tortured childhood but they never do that for Clark. I'm sure that him coming into his abilities wasn't easy on anyone! There's so much potential but instead they waste time woobifying the villains.

I liked Tess in the first half of the episode but I was not a fan of all the religion thrown in either.

Chloe's behavior reminded me of what I was frustrated with in "Turbulence". :\

Well, the old chestnut of Clark being responsible for Lex's life choices. Because man, that crap never gets old /said sarcaticallty.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who caught that and was pissed off. I was proud of Clark for taking a stand and not letting Tess put the blame on him.

And oh man, Souders/Peterson wrote this episode? Now I am really hoping that Tom gets Executive Producer rights in s9 or there will be disaster ahead.
jeannev
Apr. 4th, 2009 08:42 pm (UTC)
Killing animals on screen is a total hot button issue for me. I know its something Doomsday actually does in the comics (crush a bird), but I'm pretty sure that wasn't done while trying to make him a poor woobie.

You make a good point on how Clark's childhood has NEVER been flashed back to, at least not from his POV. I'm not sure why someone never thought that would make an interesting episode. But certainly from what we've heard, Clark has very real difficulties in his life. And while loved by his parents, I don't believe he didn't suffer from issues of isolation. He's been told to lie his whole life, from when he was small. How does that make for an idyllic childhood?

The religious zealotry just threw me out of the Tess character this week.

I actually liked Clark in that last scene with Tess, because he seemed really pissed off. I just wish they gave him even more dialogue to express how fucking nuts these people are, with their bizarre worship and love/hate fixation they have for him.

Souders/Peterson are pretty much the suck.
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carolandtom
Apr. 4th, 2009 08:14 am (UTC)
So much WORD to everything you say!!!

I couldn't find a thing to like about this episode: I hated the retconning, I hate the Veritas storyline, I hated what Tess said about Lex (was *she* really talking about betrayal?!), I hated the Tess/Davis interaction, I hated Chloe's reactions in every scene, I can't stand Davis/SW, I hated that stupid shot of another Lex in the cornfield (there was no need for that whatsoever!), I hated those useless Davis/Lex scenes, I hated the message they sent, I hated what those stupid writers made Clark say, I HATE S&P's writing, I hate that they don't understand/respect/value/care for the character of Clark Kent...

Well, you already covered everything I disliked about this episode. I can only applaud this post and join you in your dread of a season 9 controlled by probably the worst writers/producers we Clark fans could have. This episode sucked and season 9 probably will suck too.
jeannev
Apr. 4th, 2009 08:44 pm (UTC)
I totally knew you'd be hating this episode Carol. And like you, I definitely feel like its crystal clear that Souders/Peterson aren't particularly Clark fans. I think it shows in their writing constantly. I think that does bode ill for S9. And this season 8 finale too, which will be the exact writing/directing team of this episode.
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heather
Apr. 4th, 2009 09:14 am (UTC)
The retconning in this episode was horrible. So bad. At the time I was watching it, it didn't even jump out at me as much -- the only things that really stuck out were that ridiculous journal that Lionel would never keep just so that they could rapidly bring Tess up to speed with where Lex was at, and the Naman/Sageeth crap. Which now makes no sense because Naman is supposed to be Sageeth's friend first.

The other stuff you mentioned I didn't even think about at the time (delayed reactions are my friend), but it's every bit as horrible.

I hate what they keep doing to Clark. He can never really be proactive about anything (the solution to his never outright killing anyone should not be to have people do it for him but for HIM to find a way around it), and I'm glad to see I wasn't the only person ROYALLY pissed off by the implication that because Clark had parents that loved him he should apologise for it. And I hated that Chloe helped reinforce that. Her constantly coming down on Davis' side continues to make no sense to me -- and I've always thought she had chemistry with him, but this is ridiculous.

I like Chloe as a character and I have since season 4, but little of this seems like Chloe to me. The Jimmy thing I didn't mind -- she's human. She never loved him and strung him along. The show didn't seem to be absolving her of responsibility for her part in how things ended even if she herself doesn't seem to get it. And that happens. But this mess with Davis and her actions toward him are completely out of character. I think there's no WAY Chloe would've agreed to stay with/shag/whatever Davis after he pretty much blackmailed her. Clark's always been her biggest priority, but I still can't help thinking that Chloe is supposed to be the one who tries to find another solution.

This giving in and not seeing that she has a choice is something Lana would do (it's something Lana DID do, as a matter of fact, in Promise). Chloe would have gone directly to Clark -- or hell, Oliver and the others -- and tried to figure this out, and furthermore, she would be a hell of a lot more suspicious of Davis. Am I the only person who thinks he knew that letting Chloe drown him in Kryptonite would only bring him back immune to it? Fake!Lois showed him this. Should this not have been the first thing Chloe considered?

Woobie!Davis does nothing for me. At all. I wish there could be one SV villain who is uncomplicatedly BAD, and who survives longer than an episode or two. To me it just waters down Clark's efforts and makes him feel bad about doing the right thing. And using it to make Clark feel GUILTY about his childhood, using it to imply that somehow Clark isn't innately good, using it to convince us that Davis is still sympathetic after all the people he killed, is ridiculous. I hope the people feeling sorry for Davis aren't the same ones who jump down Clark's throat every time he's even been tempted to kill someone in the past. Because what the fuck.

Of the many things I wish this show would stop doing, a major one for me would be to stop having people do all sorts of stupid, heinous and dubious things, claiming they are "protecting Clark". Because that shit always leads back to the same place...Clark ends up feeling responsible for it.

THIS. THIS SO HARD.

I don't sympathize with her over Clark not being her shoulder to lean in when I've seen him, on screen, ask her how she is, how are things going, come over to her apartment to talk.

I agree with this in that Chloe's problems are NOT Clark's fault or responsibility, but I couldn't help wanting him to at least give her a hug in the scene in the talon; only because it seemed like something he would do, and instead he spent that time blaming himself (and letting Chloe blame him) for Davis having a crap childhood.
jeannev
Apr. 4th, 2009 08:52 pm (UTC)
I think what really bothers me is that they could have tried to work Davis into the mythology without trampling all over the shows continuity.

For instance:

Lets say Lionel suspected that the Traveler came in the meteor shower, which is why he was in SV that day. But he doesn't find anything, though he keeps looking. And maybe he picks up Davis a year later, thinking he's got the right boy, then discovers he doesn't and dumps him back on the street. This gives them, roughly, the same Davis sob story, but doesn't trounce on the continuity of the meteor shower, or Lionel not knowing about Clark all along.


And yeah, Chloe was certainly shoveling more crap onto Clark that he should feel bad for what he had, and Davis didn't, in that last scene. I don't know why.

In a lot of ways this season, I feel like Chloe is very Lana-esque. And as I've said before, what defines and works for one character doesn't always suit another. Its in Lana's nature to fall quickly for a shady character, and ignore the warning signs. But not Chloe. Its in Lana's nature to be fickle, but not Chloe. And it was Lana that felt the ends justified the means when it came to protecting Clark (and getting revenge), but not Chloe.

Its as though Chloe is now the female lead, so she's inherited some of Lana's less attractive quirks.

I'm not a fan of Woobie!Davis. And even less of a fan now that they seemed to using this story to further guilt Clark.
theninthdoctor
Apr. 4th, 2009 09:18 am (UTC)
You know, that "dream I had when I was a kid" thing didn't even cross my mind until you pointed out... I was too bugged by two other things...

One, I hated the box being there, since "Memoria" was one of SV's finest hours, it didn't need to be retconned.

And two, although I thought young Davis was perfectly cast, I never really cared for Connor Stanhope's Young Lex. I think I preferred the other young Lexes, and also partly it's just because I can't get past the fact that Lex was never that round. Or moley.
jeannev
Apr. 4th, 2009 08:53 pm (UTC)
There were so many retcons in this episode, I can see why it would be easy to miss one, two or half a dozen.

"moley"? LOL I like Connor, but I just didn't get the point of him being in this episode. What did it really add?
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goodvibe
Apr. 4th, 2009 12:22 pm (UTC)
I could just co-sign on everything you've written, and be done with it. But Im a rant-y place myself so bear with me---

//Lionel writing all this down, to include illustrations of things he wasn't actually there to witness (like little Davis in the cage)? Come the fuck on SV. Lionel was never that stupid.//

Exactly!

//As much as I enjoyed seeing little Connor Stanhope play young Lex again, I just felt like the flashback scenes of Davis and Lex were pointless, and frankly felt manipulative and heavy-handed.//

Completely unnecessary.

//Which, of course, negates the fact that Clark also had difficulties in his childhood, but hey, doesn't count because he had parents who loved him. Apparently this is something Clark should have to apologize for, and make up to the poor unfortunates for the rest of his days.//

All this did was take away from Clark' own inherent goodness and strength of character - which is hardly ever given credit for on this show.

//but really, I guess I'm going to stick with "Oh, poor dead people dumped in a field".//

There were mass graves!

//Tess, who I was really loving, now seems to be turned into a zealot.//

Tess really disappointed me in this ep. WTF was she harping on about?!

//What the fuck else do people want from him? I'm quite sick to death of all these people treating Clark as a God, then being disappointed that he isn't one.//

Val' brain, meet mine. Because I ::just:: ranted about this in my own review.

//I didn't like Chloe in this episode at all.//

There've been too many bad eps for her now for me to just ignore. The writers are clearly having difficulty writing for these two different versions of her - supporting best friend/Watchtower and then roma leading lady.

//And, oh yeah, Lex is always going to be Sageeth to me//

Aint no-one going to convince me otherwise.
jeannev
Apr. 4th, 2009 08:58 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I figured steam would be pouring out of your ears. I had a feeling.

There were just so many things in this episode that I know ping wrong for you and me.

I understand them throwing out the idea that life could've been very different for Clark if he wasn't found by Martha and Jonathan. But shouldn't there be something special about Clark for himself? For his own heart? This idea that people with good parents automatically turn out great, and people with bad parents, or no parents, turn out bad is just so much nonsense. Who they are, as people, inside, should be part of the equation.

Oh, apparently those mass graves were OK because they weren't "good" people. What sort of message is that? And didn't SV have an episode THIS SEASON that argued against that notion? Yes, it was called Bulletproof.

I think the fact that this season has dangerously veered into ChloeVille has been part of the issues I've had with her character.
starry_dawn
Apr. 4th, 2009 02:08 pm (UTC)
I feel your pain. I'm not so much angry at the show as I am disappointed, but I totally get where you're coming from.

And a friend just made me realize that this retcon totally ruins "Transference" and I just got about 10 times sadder. What a waste of a fabulous episode.
jeannev
Apr. 4th, 2009 08:59 pm (UTC)
Angry, disappointed, it just sort of all runs together for me.

And yes, Transference is a great episode that has now been trashed. Thanks S&P. :(
canadabear
Apr. 4th, 2009 06:42 pm (UTC)
How about the rather convenient, and hard to believe, revelation that both Lex and Lionel had decided to write all this information down in journals, that they also seemed to have carelessly left around for people to find.

I'm of the opinion that Tess was lying about Lex having a journal in Turbulence just to see if Clark would go "Well, since she's already read it, I guess I might as well tell her." Lionel's she said she "stole", which frankly, I don't find hard to believe, either her behaviour or that it would have to be something that needed to be stolen to get access to. I'm also not sure it's OOC for Lionel to have written these things down; it only seems to have been Veritas stuff and I can fanwank he was trying to preserve information in a form of a heirloom he could hand down to Lex one day. The illustrations were a little much, though, yes.

And as for the idea that Tess is Judas, well, that doesn't really work either since Tess can't be considered a member of Clark's trusted inner circle.

But she sure as hell is trying to be, isn't she? With her "You'll come to me." line, I think she really expects Clark to trust her and at that point, she will be in his inner circle. And then she'll betray him by leading him and Davis right to each other.

Of the many things I wish this show would stop doing, a major one for me would be to stop having people do all sorts of stupid, heinous and dubious things, claiming they are "protecting Clark". Because that shit always leads back to the same place...Clark ends up feeling responsible for it.

Beyond that, they always end up being wrong. Chloe just made things worse for Clark, not better. But she's St. Chloe, and like St. Lana before her, she'll never have to recognize or take responsibility for fucking up.

And, oh yeah, Lex is always going to be Sageeth to me.

Personally, I don't think we're necessarily supposed to take Tess' interpretation at face value. She's manipulative and now, apparently, batshit crazy. I think Tess thinks she's right, and Clark apparently bought into it too with his "we should have been brothers" comment to Davis. But Clark also thinks Lex is dead, so I can see him rationalizing that if the legend is true Sageeth has to be someone else and a Kryptonian monster sent to Earth to kill him is a pretty good substitute. Given, however, that the audience knows (or should know, because really) that Lex isn't dead and Doomsday soon will be, Sageeth really can't be anyone but Lex.

As for the rest, well, you already know I agree (although I'm a fan of Sam; he's making this whole Davis aspect to Doomsday bearable for me). Sadly, I don't think things are going to be getting better anytime soon. Stiletto looks... well, bad. And then we have more Davisapalooza in Beast. Injustice and Doomsday had really better be awesome.

Edited at 2009-04-04 06:43 pm (UTC)
jeannev
Apr. 4th, 2009 09:09 pm (UTC)
I guess maybe I could believe that Tess made up Lex's journal, though it actually feels more realistic to me that he would write one. And she did know about the Clark room, so she got that knowledge from somewhere. But Lionel? It just doesn't feel like the character to me.

And I guess part of the problem I have with seeing Tess cast herself as Judas is that she seems to clearly be telling Davis that HE is Judas.

Truth be told, all the religious stuff just pinged me wrong, so I'm probably not as inclined to try and wank it. I get like that, LOL

Beyond that, they always end up being wrong. Chloe just made things worse for Clark, not better. But she's St. Chloe, and like St. Lana before her, she'll never have to recognize or take responsibility for fucking up.

Right, exactly, and somehow this shit gets dumped on Clark's shoulders.

And I'm really torn on Chloe's decision, because I can sort of understand her feeling that she has no choice. Though her obvious feelings for Davis sort of muddy that water. But on the other hand, does she really think she can contain Davis? And since it must be obvious she can't, doesn't Clark deserve to know Davis is 1. alive, and 2. invulnerable to kryptonite? And if she really thought being with Davis was the only hope, wouldn't it make sense to pack your bags, and leave town with him that very night to try and put as much distance between him and Clark as possible? Because keeping him at the Talon, which Clark comes to regularly seems moronic at best, recklessly indifferent at worst.

I hope you're right with what they are going for with the Sageeth thing. But with these writers, one never knows.

And yeah, the preview for Stiletto looked not good. And I already know I'm going to have problems with Beast.


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jeannev
Apr. 5th, 2009 12:15 am (UTC)
Well, not all the non-Lois eps are bad. ;)

I think you are right that the show feels very schizophrenic, and I don't really understand that. There were definitely ways to weave the 2 sides of the story together better. I think they did Lois a disservice by making her so peripheral, but honestly I think the writing does a disservice to her more often then it should. I actually said this to my sister when we were watching "I think the only character they seem less interested in writing for then Clark is Lois".

I think the word "filler" gets thrown around to a ridiculous degree. "Filler" seems to now be used for any episode people don't think they'll like, which doesn't focus on the character they want. Looking over this season, I don't think there's any episode I would categorize as "filler". All of them seemed to have something relevant in them for some character. Sometimes in fandom, I think a certain word or phrase gets introduced, and they it just gets repeated ad nauseum until it loses all meaning.

I hope for you, and for all Lois fans, Stilleto ends up being better then what my gut feelings tell it will be. In any case, I have no doubt that ED will throw herself into it 100% and give it her best shot.
gildinwen
Apr. 5th, 2009 04:42 am (UTC)
I haven't put up my review yet, but when I do and if you'd wanna read it it'll proabably be more of what you've said here. I was headdesking myself all through this episode. Fucking Christ what the fuck was this?
jeannev
Apr. 5th, 2009 04:45 am (UTC)
Of course I want to read it :)

After this episode, I felt like I had so much I wanted to say. When I finally typed out my review, I just got all ranty and starting spewing.

Its like I said, this episode just pinged a lot of my hot button issues. Retcons, woobying up the bad guy, blaming Clark, Clark blaming himself...these are all hot button issues for me. Taken individually, I could probably deal better, and try to find something in the episode to like. But all cluttered into one episode, I just kind of lost it.
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mskatej
Apr. 5th, 2009 09:26 am (UTC)
Oh God I totally agree. I couldn't work out while I was watching why I felt so contemptuous of everything that was going on, but you've nailed it exactly. What an utter load of rubbish.
jeannev
Apr. 5th, 2009 05:12 pm (UTC)
And believe me, I had a hard time putting it into words, because so much of it was a feeling. I think we had a very similar reaction to it. There was, like, this creepy underlying message that was so, SO wrong.
duskwillow
Apr. 5th, 2009 08:22 pm (UTC)
Clark only had third screen time? I'm sure that also had something to do with my not-so-big enthusiasm for this week's episode.

How about the rather convenient, and hard to believe, revelation that both Lex and Lionel had decided to write all this information down in journals, that they also seemed to have carelessly left around for people to find. Lex having a journal? OK, I can sort of see that. Lionel writing all this down, to include illustrations of things he wasn't actually there to witness (like little Davis in the cage)? Come the fuck on SV. Lionel was never that stupid.

I know, right?
Not to mention there is no logical explanation for why Tess found the journal and Lex didn't.

That's one of my problems with the scripts Kelly and Brian usually write. It always feels like they have a certain plot in mind, and then they bend and force characters and previous continuity around it, no matter the cost. So it always feels more like they had a checklist "this character has to do this, then this has to happen, then..." and are trying to check all the things off in their episode, rather than continuing the story and characterization from the episodes before that one.

Oh, poor, poor villians and their unfortunate childhoods, Not their fault!
Now, that pampered bastard Clark? Well, he's only a decent person because he had that perfect, cushy childhood.

Yeah, I never got that.
Many people had bad childhoods. Many people had unthinkable things happen to them. That does not give them right to do whatever they want later on in life and walk away scott free.

I actually do like the fact that Clark is against killing Davis, though I'm not sure what else can be done. But I HATE, and I mean HATE that the show seems to take the postion that someone had to do it for Clark, since those silly ol' ethics of his keep him from doing what needs to be done. Of the many things I wish this show would stop doing, a major one for me would be to stop having people do all sorts of stupid, heinous and dubious things, claiming they are "protecting Clark". Because that shit always leads back to the same place...Clark ends up feeling responsible for it.

I'm with you on this so much!
And the thing that gets me the most is that a lot of times they don't even give Clark a chance to try to protect himself first. He doesn't need someone to look after him, he is perfectly able to do it himself.
Like Chloe for example in this episode. First she kills Davis without giving Clark a chance to try and defeat him. And then yet again she takes things into her own hands and locks herself in the cellar with Davis. She should have called Clark right away and told him whats going on. She won't be able to keep Davis from transforming, and in the end it will come down to Doomsday/Clark fight, no mater what she did here. Yet Clark will feel like she sacrificed something to save him, or people will call Clark on needed to be thankful to her for what she did for him. Why?! There was no need for her to do it, she's turning herself into martyr on her own.

The fact that they show Clark having researched and written an article, something he was obviously passionate about, and then they have him running to Chloe for help with it WHY?

Exactly. All she did was load Metropolis PD website. He could have googled that on his own at the Planet!
jeannev
Apr. 6th, 2009 01:25 am (UTC)
Honestly, I was shocked Clark got over 15m. It sure didn't feel like it.

Not to mention there is no logical explanation for why Tess found the journal and Lex didn't.

Or anyone else for that matter. But I guess Tess is just super-awesome like that.

I have never been impressed with Kelly & Brian. They've had some good eps, but there's just something about their scripts that gravitate towards the mediocre. And I'm not going to lie, their comments on the show and the characters does color my feelings about them as writers. I don't think I'll ever fully get over the Crimson comments they made in the companion book for S6. Never!

The thing about hammering home the wonderful, nuturing home that Clark had is that it seems to remove all, or most, of the credit Clark should get for his life and his choices. Sure, he had love as a child, but that didn't ensure that he'd become a hero. Give the guy a little credit for his own choices, wouldya show?

You are right that Clark is kept in the dark more often then not when people decide to do things on his behalf. And sometimes he never finds out. I still really wonder if he's ever going to find out about Chloe killing Sebastian. And just to clear up any conceived notiongs of double standards, I TOTALLY want Chloe to find out Clark mindwiped her in Abyss.

Clark running to Chloe for help with the article was a contrivance to get Clark to the apartment so he'd see Davis. I doubt Kelly & Brian gave it enough thought to realize how it would reflect on Clark, and his work as a reporter.

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jeannev
Apr. 6th, 2009 01:27 am (UTC)
LOL, actually I think my review did end up being a barrage of angry, bad words.

I actually don't object to them giving Davis a bit more dimension, and giving him a backstory. I just feel like they've lost all sense of proportion here, and its all so heavy-handed and manipulative. As it to often the case, SV can't quite find the middle ground.

And Clark's childhood and his difficulties? Pffft, who cares about that?
(Anonymous)
Apr. 5th, 2009 10:20 pm (UTC)
Well, I liked it. But I´m in a very Chlavis place of mind now.
jeannev
Apr. 6th, 2009 01:18 am (UTC)
If you are into the Chlavis, I can totally see why you'd like it. But thats not so much my cup of tea, and when it takes over the show, I guess it really rubs me wrong.
(Anonymous)
Apr. 5th, 2009 10:58 pm (UTC)
If you look at all the episodes that Peterson and Souders are writing this season, it's clear that they're writing for Chloe and Davis more so than Clark, Lois, and anyone else - Odyssey (story), Prey, Eternal, and Doomsday.

Since Davis has killed people since he was a child, that throws out any sympathy one would have for him. What's the point of showing a young Lex if MR isn't ever returning?

Clark has already chosen his destiny. He doesn't need a challenge to do this. Only he can decide his destiny. Not Chloe, not Tess, and not anyone else. This is a journey that Clark has to undertake alone, which is one of the reasons why I feel Chloe will be the one to go. It's also clear that Clark does not trust Tess nor will he ever.

Speaking of Tess, she's in jeopardy for the season finale because she knows too much about both Clark and Davis. Neither she and Davis are Judases because they're hardly Clark's friends and are not part of his inner circle. We don't need a Lex 2.0 or Lionel 2.0 here and the next season. The only Judas is definitely Chloe. I think she'd betray both Clark and the Justice League in the next several episodes.

The friendship between Clark and Chloe is breaking down because of her influence from Brainiac and her love for Davis, which is what Eternal was referring to. The more this happens, the more I'm convinced that Chloe has to go when the 8th season ends and the 9th season begins. Don't forget, Oliver knows what she did to Sebastian Kane back in Identity and he can tell Clark this in the next several episodes.

Judging by the screentimes, it looks like the emphasis on Chloe has continued from Hex.
jeannev
Apr. 6th, 2009 01:31 am (UTC)
I agree with you, that Souders/Peterson seem to be writing the Chloe, Chloomy storyline. Which makes me weep for the season finale. Them not having much interest in Clark is nothing new.

There are so many reasons I can't have sympathy for Davis. Or at least not to such a degree that I want to see the show take his side over the side of his victims. Or Clark. Its just too much.

At this point, I don't see how Tess makes it to S9. Prior to this ep, I would've been one of the loudest advocates for her staying with the show. Now? I just don't see how it can work.

I also can't help thinking that even with all this stuff we're seeing from Chloe, and the friction we're seeing in Chlark, the show is just going to do a quick reset in S9, like it doesn't matter. I just feel that coming.
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tasabian
Apr. 5th, 2009 11:10 pm (UTC)
Arggh, I haven't watched this yet and I think your review has saved me the frustration. I hate retcon episodes. Doomsday has his own mythology & doesn't need to wreck the Luthors' established history.

And writers, quit leaning so much on Lex when Michael ISN'T COMING BACK.
jeannev
Apr. 6th, 2009 01:33 am (UTC)
Really, as much as I didn't like this episode, I would always advise someone to see it for themselves, and make their own decisions. People whose opinions I really respect liked this episode. But it just rubbed me wrong all over the place.

And DITTO on the Lex stuff. Enough now. I was actually wanting them to keep Lex relevant to the storyline, but having witnessed the execution of that, I should've known better.
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