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Hero Screentime minutes, and thoughts

 
Screentime minutes for Hero, running time: 41m, 27s






Clark - 13m, 1s
Lex - 9m, 29s
Lana - 4m, 53s
Chloe - 9m, 41s
Kara - 7m, 57s
Jimmy - 9m, 16s
Lionel - 1m, 56s (hardly worth showing up for JG)

And no, I didn't do Pete's screentime minutes because I didn't like his attitude.

I almost was tempted to do the screentime for One Republic. Damn, but there's a ton of cutaways to them warbling at the gum factory.

Year to Date (# of eps)

Clark - 214m, 41s (13)
Lex - 100m, 59s (13)
Lana - 95m, 55s (13)
Chloe - 112m,53s (13)
Lois - 72m, 6s (8)
Kara - 94m, 25s (8)
Jimmy - 39m, 54s (5)
Lionel - 37m, 37s (9) 


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I was disappointed.  And now that I've watched this episode again, a bit embarassed for our poor show.  My God, I hope Stride paid them out the ass for the product pimping done in this episode.  Though I'm not sure "Chew our Gum, Become a Mutant!!" was the message I'd personally send if I was in Stride advertising, but what do I know?  But man, it was everywhere!  Outside the club, on the gum, banners hanging.  I'm surprised someone didn't walk by with the brandname tatooed on their forehead.

And then if that wasn't enough, we had One Republic.   And they were apparently performing for 24 hours straight...in an old gum factory....for 50 people, tops.  Woo-Hoo, you go guys!!  U2 can feel you  right at their heels.

And just in case that wasn't enough, there's a new Toyota truck at the Kent household.  Sure, we haven't seen Shelby since Fierce, but we've got another truck.

All I can say is that I hope all this pimping really added bucks to the budget.

But aside from adventures in advertising, Pete Ross made his return.  For those of you who read my humble journal, you might remember that I was psyched for his reappearance.  Well, one of the motto's on SV should be Be careful what you wish for....  Did he really need to be that big a douchebag?  Really?  'Cause look, I'm not opposed to Pete coming back with issues.  Before he left, it was established that he was very jealous of Clark, and prone to moments of douchebaggery.  But still, he just felt way too bitter and angry to me here.  I know that he gets the benefit of the infamous "you weren't yourself" SV pass, but still....apparently his life since SV has been one long pity party.  I get sick to death of people blaming Clark for their problems.

Also, I have to admit, Pete's sudden revelations about Clark at the end rang false.  Why wouldn't Pete know how difficult it was to be Clark?  He had a front row seat for a year.  He saw the effects of red K and green K on him.  He saw him dealing, badly, with his alien origins.  He saw the crazy doctor who was pursuing Clark.  He knew about the obsessions of the Luthors.  But NOW Pete gets it?   And people complain about Clark's learning curve.

I can say that on one hand I admired how Clark  took Pete's scorn, absorbed it, but didn't lash out, or really hold it against Pete.  It was very mature, very calm, very rational.  But on the other hand, boy, I wanted Clark to smack a bitch!  Just one "So you couldn't send a card when my father died? Ass!".  But really, thats why Clark is a bigger person then I am. *g*

Not telling Kara?  Oh SV, how much do you love to drink at this well?  Too damned much.  This whole situation is very reminiscent to me of the situation in S5 when Lana was getting closer to Lex, and neither Clark or Chloe really told her about things that would've swayed her away from him (probably).  And we've got a similar situation now.  Now, I can sorta, kinda fanwank my way around why they haven't told Kara she's an alien.  How will she react?  Since they really aren't sure, its a heckuva thing to put out there.  But on the other hand, surely they can tell her stuff about Lex that will make Kara think twice.  In that scene in the barn, I just kept wondering why Lana didn't sit Kara down and tell her all about that whole marriage thing that happened last season, complete with fake babies and miscarriages, and slaps.

And why is Clark letting Lionel and Lana influence him on this?  Clark, honey, its OK to tell people to STFU from time to time.

And why haven't Clark and Kara shared a scene in 2 episodes?

Still, points to Lex for manipulating the situation beautifully.

In fact, points to Lex for that, laying the smack down on Chloe (really, what was going on in her head?), and having some compentent minions.  You can't hold the half gainer he did when Clark whoosed in against him.  Who could be prepared for that?

I like AA's portrayal of Jimmy, but honestly, do I give a shit about who he wants to bone?  And who wants to bone him?  Thats a big No, followed by another No!  He starts off the episode seemingly into Kara.  Even photographing without her knowledge as she sways (oddly) to the music.  He ends the episode by telling Chloe the spark is gone for both of them.....when? ....and he knows Chloe isn't sorry about that....excuse me but ASS! .....and he wants to reignite something with her.  To which Chloe, inexplicably free of self-esteem, says she'll bring butane.  Might I suggest bringing a little pride instead girlfriend?  Pete was a better bet.

And Jimmy is a reporter now? 

So, I guess Clana is all good now?  They are so weird.  I love TW, I truly do, but he could not appear any less interested in playing out this dynamic anymore.  

I did think there was some decent set-up for future eps, and I thought there was a decent job of continuity.  And it was PRETTY!  So very PRETTY!  That makes me happy.

And really, I liked Clark in this episode a lot.  That goes an incredibly long way for me in determining how I ultimately feel about an episode.  Though Clark was really underwritten.  There were several instances where you really felt like Clark should have a response, and he the camera sort of lingers on him, and he doesn't say anything.  It was very strange.  But I thought the way TW carried himself, and said his lines just helped to fill a lot of blank space.  If that makes sense.

Next week looks kick ass, so fingers crossed. 

Comments

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bradygirl_12
Mar. 15th, 2008 04:12 am (UTC)
<---My product placement

I really disliked the previews they kept giving us, leading us to believe that next week's episode was this week's as they mixed them together. Urgh!!

jeannev
Mar. 15th, 2008 08:02 pm (UTC)
Yeah, they sometimes do that when they are coming back from an hiatus. I think it would be better to do 2 promo's. One general, one episode specific.
silverscreengal
Mar. 15th, 2008 04:48 am (UTC)
I had very strong opinions about this episode and so many of mine were in line with yours.



I had to thank you for the "And no, I didn't do Pete's screentime minutes because I didn't like his attitude." line because I literally DID laugh out loud.

I'm still grinning.

jeannev
Mar. 15th, 2008 08:03 pm (UTC)
Yeah, Pete just didn't deserve my minute count this week. Pissy little bitch that he was!
svgurl
Mar. 15th, 2008 06:08 am (UTC)
LOL at you not adding Pete's ST. Good plan.

As for this episode, all I can say has been said by my icon. ;)

But I suppose I can add more.

"I know that he gets the benefit of the infamous "you weren't yourself" SV pass, but still....apparently his life since SV has been one long pity party. I get sick to death of people blaming Clark for their problems."

Yeah, no sympathy there. Let me try again ... no, still no sympathy. Pete sucks. Clark should've smacked him too and I felt that strongly so he's obviously a better person than the both of us for not feeling the same way.

I hate people blaming Clark too. The poor guy shoulders enough blame! Does he really need any more? He needs a hug and a "It's not your fault". Poor baby.

I actually get why they're a little slow about telling her the alien part but Clark, dear? Remember how pissed off you were when your parents were hiding from you for 12 years?

I think that's the major reason that *Clark* is the one wanting to tell her and I couldn't be more proud of him. I just wish he told Lana and Lionel to go away. :(

The Chimmy ... dude, I liked them in season 6. They were adorable. But now? I hate how Jimmy treated Chloe. I hate that Goughlar feels the need to kick Chloe in the teeth again and have her pushed aside. I hate that she doesn't care about how he was all over Kara and has no qualms about taking her back.

It makes all the characters involved look lame.

"So, I guess Clana is all good now? They are so weird. I love TW, I truly do, but he could not appear any less interested in playing out this dynamic anymore."

Characters on this show have short term memories, hence the reason why Lionel and Lana can have coffee together when they were threatening each other two episodes ago.

Tom is probably bored of the Clana. Can you blame him? Seven seasons and the fans are not the only one who wants to move on. This is the same guy who is rumored to have walked around the sets with his script saying what an idiot Clark is.

But he did look beautiful though. *nods*

I hope next week is better.
jeannev
Mar. 15th, 2008 08:08 pm (UTC)
Love the icon! :)

I definitely think Clark takes too much shit from people. And then if he does get pissy with someone, he gets slammed for it. Its frustrating.

I think that one thing to keep in mind with the Kara situation is that Clark really doesn't know her very well. And running off in a huff is already something thats been established for her. So, its a dicey situation.

But yeah, even saying that? I think they should've told her. I think the reasoning takes too much fanwank.

I could like Jimmy. Really, I could. But can't they back off the whole drama of Jimmy Olson's lovelife? I simply could not care LESS.

And Tom is definitely bored of the Clana. He's doing a great job this season in general, but in the lovey Clana scenes? Dude has checked out.

But he is so very pretty!!!
canadabear
Mar. 15th, 2008 07:20 am (UTC)
So, I guess Clana is all good now?

My wank for this, since, really, Clana hardly spent any time together and when we saw them, they were in front of other people. They didn't look all that happy in the Lionel scene, but the subject matter was heavy (Kara) and the kiss may very well have been for show for Pete, not to mention it really wasn't much different from the peck we got last week, it's just this one was on the lips instead.

However, I think since they piled so much onto Clark this week - him struggling with the decision to keep the truth from Kara, Pete being a dick, barely any screentime with Chloe, Pete being a dick, finding out Lionel is lying to him, Pete being a dick, Lex torturing Pete and Pete being a dick - that they wanted to let up on the Clana tension so there was something in his life that didn't suck.

I know a lot of people were expecting something to come immediately of the Lexana Clark saw in Fracture, but I really don't see how Clark would ever work that into conversation, nor do I see any good that could come of him doing so - Lana will just deny it. So to me, he's just trying his best to continue to work things out, like he said he wanted to do at the end of Siren, while telling himself that what he saw in Lex's head wasn't real.

So, all of this is to say I don't think Clana are a-ok right now. I think we just a one episode respite from the Clana angst-train because everything else in Clark's life went to shit.
jeannev
Mar. 15th, 2008 08:10 pm (UTC)
Wait...I think I'm getting the hint of something from your post. Could it be, maybe, sorta, that you thought Pete was a dick? LOL

Yes, me too.

And I also agree that I'm not sure there was room for Clana angst in this episode, nor would it have been welcome.

But see, this is where I think they are having a big problem, because its obvious that they are having problems shoehorning Lana into places, and her presence has just become jarring.

I think its so past time for her to be off this show.
tariel22
Mar. 15th, 2008 07:47 am (UTC)
OMG, I am laughing so hard at you saying no to tracking Pete's screentime, and almost saying yes to doing OneRepublic's! LOL! That is priceless.

As far as the extreme pimpage going on, well, the exchange rate has fallen tremendously lately. :) You know, I was so caught up in laughing at how they brought Product Placement Pete back in every way possible that I probably didn't take the massive sellout factor seriously enough. I think that was a gross miscalculation on AlMiles' part, because fandom is outraged, regardless of where you go to gauge the reaction. And rightly so, I suppose. If they're going to plaster that many Stride logos all over the show, I want the cash to go to having Clark fly in every episode.

I can believe that Pete never understood what it was like to be Clark, because he was always pretty self-involved. He chose not to see it. I will say that I was ecstatic that Clark didn't apologize back to Pete, because I was afraid he would. And he did say that bit about Pete never returning even one of his calls, and commented that it must be hard for Pete to understand the current state of things since he had been gone for more than three years. So at least Clark got a couple of pointed remarks in.

The whole Lana/Lionel situation is the most aggravating for me. I'm sick and tired of them being so mysterious about whether Lionel is good or bad. They never tie his behavior together in any way that makes sense to me, so it just seems like an excuse to make him inconsistent. Lana hit him with a shovel and put him in a fucking bear trap!!! How can they possibly put that behind them?!! How can there be no consequences?!! How can Clark still be in love with her?!! They're killing my Superman, one character trait at a time!!!

*takes deep calming breaths* And this is why I drink the Kool-Aid, and just focus on the positives. If I don't, I'll just have to stop watching and leave fandom altogether, and I don't want to do that. And the show isn't worth giving me a stroke anyway. :) I just want to watch TW, MR, and AM, and love those aspects of the show that still speak to me. And after last night, Clark and Lex both still rock hard enough to make me squee, and I honestly am looking forward to S8. I'm hopeful, I really am.

Oh, my, where did all that come from? I guess I'm a little emotionally raw at the moment. Yikes. Anyway, thanks for not telling me I'm stupid for still liking this show. We can just sit here together and love Tom until the end of time, okay?
jeannev
Mar. 15th, 2008 08:17 pm (UTC)
Honestly, as much as I make fun of it, I forgive them the pimping. I don't think they would've done it if it hadn't been absolutely necessary. SV is an expensive show, and they need to do what they need to do.

I find the Clana very irksome as well, and I totally believe it should've been done long ago. I'll be honest...I never thought Clark should've gotten back together with her post-Lex, because that flat out squicks me out. Lana being passed back and forth between Clark and Lex? There's too much squick, too much subtext. Just No! for me.

But, here comes my fanwank. Although Clana will show that Clark did not love wisely, or particularly well, it will show that Clark truly does commit and give his love completely. He's not fickle. He doesn't have a short attention span (Hello, Jimmy Olson, I'm talkin' to you!). He shows a true desire to desperately want to bring happiness to the object of his affection, even if its not possible.

And for me, I'll take all that, and rest assured that in the future, when Clark connects with the right woman for him, he'll be able to merge that commitment and loyalty, with loving wisely and well, and it will make for a lasting love story. :)

And excuse me for a sec...I have to recharge my fanwank-o-meter. :)

And of course you aren't stupid for liking SV. What is wrong with people that they would even hint or suggest at such a thing. Where are these bitches I must smack? LOL
tariel22
Mar. 16th, 2008 12:04 am (UTC)
Although Clana will show that Clark did not love wisely, or particularly well, it will show that Clark truly does commit and give his love completely. He's not fickle. He doesn't have a short attention span (Hello, Jimmy Olson, I'm talkin' to you!). He shows a true desire to desperately want to bring happiness to the object of his affection, even if its not possible.

Okay, I thought I was the queen of fanwank, but I hereby pass the crown to you! You just made it all better! *smishes you*

I totally agree with what you say about Lana being passed back and forth between Clark and Lex. It makes everyone involved look bad, but most especially Lana. You can certainly tell this show is run by men, can't you?

I am certainly emotionally fragile right now, as I continue to watch my dad slip away and my mom already begin to mourn, but every time I write a review now it seems I get bashed for not being able to see what's wrong with the show. I get nothing but love from LJ, but I'm seriously considering pulling out of posting my reviews elsewhere. Especially because I suspect I'm being bashed by 14-year-olds. Jesus Christ, I'm not trying to be a professional reviewer, I just want to squee over my show! I think I was too flattered to think straight when I was invited to share my reviews. I should have thought it through better. *sighs*

Thanks so much for making me feel better. Squeeing over Tom with you is truly a great escape from everything that weighs me down in RL. :)
jeannev
Mar. 16th, 2008 01:30 am (UTC)
Where are you posting these reviews, and who are these nasty 14 year olds? Let me at 'em....I'll tear them in two. :P

For real, you like what you like, and screw people who can't show you respect. I am SO over people who believe that their POV's are the one and only true way. If I ever get like that, I hope someone gives me a reality check.

And yes, I accept this crown in the name of fanwankers everywhere. *takes bow*
redteekal
Mar. 15th, 2008 04:37 pm (UTC)
I thought about commenting with my own small rant but figured that you have pretty much covered it. Pete in this episode was completely unlikeable even at the end. I vaguely recall him being actually likeable in at least one episode between S1 and S3. So much for that. Clark rocked and so did Lex. But that's about it. Bring on Traveler, I just hope I'm not setting my expectations too high but surely with that story arc it has to be seriously intense (plus mandatory with much Evol!Lex and Super!Clark footage)
Anyhoo I shall wait with a carefully restrained hopefullness.
Great review enjoyed reading, thanks!
jeannev
Mar. 15th, 2008 08:19 pm (UTC)
I'm glad you enjoyed the review. Sometimes its nice to just be able to say "What she said..." and call it a day, isn't it?

My fingers are definitely crossed for Traveler. Its a good set-up, but will SV deliver? Hard to say.
goodvibe
Mar. 16th, 2008 02:21 pm (UTC)
//Though I'm not sure "Chew our Gum, Become a Mutant!!" was the message I'd personally send if I was in Stride advertising, but what do I know? But man, it was everywhere! Outside the club, on the gum, banners hanging. I'm surprised someone didn't walk by with the brandname tatooed on their forehead.

And then if that wasn't enough, we had One Republic. And they were apparently performing for 24 hours straight...in an old gum factory....for 50 people, tops. Woo-Hoo, you go guys!! U2 can feel you right at their heels.

And just in case that wasn't enough, there's a new Toyota truck at the Kent household. Sure, we haven't seen Shelby since Fierce, but we've got another truck.//

LMAO! Honestly though. We should've known, whatwith the return of Pete, of all people, that this was going to be one giant product pimp-fest.

I'm pretty much with you on the rest of the ep as well, in particular about the silly contrivance that was the Kara subplot. ::sighs::

Also, Clark's hair - off his forehead---in that scene with Lana and Lionel? Very nice!
jeannev
Mar. 17th, 2008 12:23 am (UTC)
Well, at least there was decent Clark hair. What have we been reduced to when thats one of the positives we can take away from a SV ep? LOL

I just rewatched this episode with my sister who hadn't seen it, and she hated it. So, its not just the 'net crowd thats overly critical.
gildinwen
Mar. 16th, 2008 05:29 pm (UTC)

thank you for pointing out that the Lex/Kara arc is EXACTLY the same one as the Lex/Lana arc of season 5. And I thought we got to leave this behind. I hope it means she doesn't abandon him though or go "OMG Lex!!!! I SHOULD HAVE LISTENED WHEN THEY TOLD ME YOU WERE EVOL!!" I would like for this arc to reach it's organic end!! I think it might be intersting, and would mirror Clark's silent offer of renewed friendship, and acceptance, if both of them wait for Lex to change, while still knowing that there is a part that's good inside him. It just make the story much more poingant IMO, that they will be waiting, but he's the one who has to make that first step.

As for Pete...well it's like Chloe, and her decision to break it of with Jimmy, because she couldn't tell him she was meteor infected. Both Pete and Chloe didn't understand what Clark went through, and now he finally gets it he's be more understanding. But yeah he was a giant douchebag, and I don't get why Clark counts him as one of his friends. LEX was a better friend to him( when he being a sincere friend in seasons 1-3) than Pete.
Again just IMHO
jeannev
Mar. 17th, 2008 12:26 am (UTC)
I have a feeling the Lex/Kara stuff is going to come to an abrupt end far more UNorganically then the Lexana stuff did. In fact, I'd be surprised if it lasted past the next episode. Which makes you wonder, why bother at all? Its very repeatitive.

I guess I'm of the mind that you shouldn't have to walk a mile in someones shoes to have a reasonable understanding of them. Both Pete and Chloe really saw, heard and experianced enough to understand why Clark keeps his identity a secret. At least IMO.
pep_singer
Mar. 17th, 2008 02:07 am (UTC)
Good review. I pretty much had the very same reactions you did. :)

//And why is Clark letting Lionel and Lana influence him on this? Clark, honey, its OK to tell people to STFU from time to time.//

Seriously. This should really be Clark's decision, not anyone else's. He should've said, "thanks, but no thanks" to their advice.

//And why haven't Clark and Kara shared a scene in 2 episodes?//

Because contrivance said so. But seriously, it's probably because if they did, Clark would spill the beans to Kara.

// I know that he gets the benefit of the infamous "you weren't yourself" SV pass, but still....apparently his life since SV has been one long pity party. I get sick to death of people blaming Clark for their problems.//

WORD. OMG, the minute someone blames Clark for his/her life just irks the shit out of me. I hate it when people take absolutely no responsibility for their own decisions.

//And really, I liked Clark in this episode a lot. That goes an incredibly long way for me in determining how I ultimately feel about an episode. Though Clark was really underwritten. There were several instances where you really felt like Clark should have a response, and he the camera sort of lingers on him, and he doesn't say anything. It was very strange. But I thought the way TW carried himself, and said his lines just helped to fill a lot of blank space. If that makes sense.//

ITA. Sometimes the camera would cut to him, and he'd just stand there and say nothing. Why? What's the point of that? It's just a waste, and quite frankly, I *like* to hear Clark articulating his thoughts.
jeannev
Mar. 17th, 2008 02:49 am (UTC)
I found the Clark/Lionel/Lana scene very odd. Why didn't Lana tell Lionel to leave? Its not like they're buddies. And I honestly don't think Clark would have a problem with it. And why do they believe Kara is a subject decided by committee? It was so weird.

The whole script for this episode was pretty weak. And it just didn't seem like they knew how to write lines for Clark. I really give all the credit to Tom for Clark coming off as well as he did. Because the dialogue just wasn't there.
twdiva
Mar. 17th, 2008 04:00 pm (UTC)
Based on the reviews from people in Canada on Wednesday night, I actually skipped this episode. Just didn't sound interesting at all, and on top of that, I would have had to endure more Clark bashing from characters on the show. I've only stuck to a few trusted LJ reviews to read other peoples thoughts and haven't even perused message boards yet, and I usually do that practically all day Friday and Saturday after a new episode so I don't know what the online masses really think about Hero either (though I can guess that they're insinuating all kinds of things about Clark's intelligence/heroism).

At this point, I don't even know if I'll continue watching the rest of the season. It's not necessarily that I hate it like I hate most of season 6, it's just that season 7 so far has bored me to sleep most of the time.
jeannev
Mar. 17th, 2008 04:07 pm (UTC)
Oh, I'm sorry you feel that way. Even when SV frustrates me, and angers me, and bores me, I still love it in all its moronic glory. Its my stupid little show, and I *heart* it.

Besides, I don't think anything short of a coma would keep me away from watching Tom. I worry so much that I won't see him after SV, so I'm soaking in every second. Ridiculous fangurl that I totally am!!
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