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Continuing on with Fun Smallville stuff

 Well, round 1 was fun, and thanks to everyone who participated.  And its never too late to add.  In fact, I've finally narrowed down my favorite Clex scene, and I'm going to add it here.

So, lets expand the game.

What are your favorite scene/s between Clark and the following people....Jonathan Kent, Martha Kent, Lionel Luthor and Pete Ross.

Oh, I know what you're thinking "But Valerie, how can I possibly choose from the wealth of deep and meaningful Clark and Pete scenes?"  Well, thats no excuse ;)  Just do your best.

And finally, my favorite Clex scene

I thought long and hard about this, because there are so many to choose from.  But I kept coming back to one episode....Nemesis.  Its my favorite episode of S6, and is in fact one of my favorite SV episodes ever.  And thats probably because the bulk of the episode is Clark and Lex, trapped together, forced to rely on each other for help, and also being pretty brutally honest with each other while their affection for each other still comes through.  I love that Clark goes after Lex, and I love that Lex helps an injured Clark get through the tunnels and actually comes back to save his life.  And I love that Clark gets to make that amazing one-handed Lex grab without any of his super abilities.  

The scene from Nemesis I picked was because this was a scene where I thought both characters really dropped any pretense.  Clark isn't denying anything about the chisel, or being different.  And Lex isn't denying that he's after people with special abilities.  The look on Lex's face when he sees blood dripping down Clark's arm, and Clark's own shock at his own injury is just such a great moment to me.  In many ways, Nemesis is what I would call a quintessential Clex episode.  And its the one I kept coming back to.

Jonathan Kent was a very complex character to me.  The show sort of canonized him a bit too much for my liking, though there can be no doubt that he was a huge influence in Clark's life.  The scene I choose was from S4's Jinx.  And the reason I choose this scene was because it was one where Jonathan showed up to tell Clark what he had to do, and Clark was able to stand up for himself and convince Jonathan that this was a decision that only Clark could make for himself.  Because the reality is that Jonathan couldn't completely understand the kinds of decisions that Clark needed to make, and will make, for all of his life.  I give Jonathan props for coming around, and sending Clark off with encouraging words.  And I give Clark props for sticking to his guns, and standing up for himself and his decisions.

This was very, very tough, because I actually had 3 scenes that were really vying for the top.  And even though I choose this one from Memoria, I don't feel quite right leaving out the last scene from Vengeance, or the scene in the barn from Solitude.  But, I think I choose this scene because it didn't only highlight the warmth and love between mother and son, but I think it also hinted, ever so slightly, at the tentativeness Martha sometimes had when dealing with Clark.  When she first comes up to the barn, you can tell that she isn't quite sure what to say to him.  And she's about to turn around and leave Clark to his brooding, until he says the name "Lara".  I think its this added layer to the Clark/Martha relationship that made me choose this scene in the end.  And thats even with this episode having been ruined for me due to fandom.

Now, this one was as easy as the Clark/Martha one was hard.  I loved this scene when I first saw it back in S5, and I still love it today.  Its the confrontation at the end of Mercy.  At this point, the secret is on the table, and there's no more dancing around that fact.  Clark has just saved Lionel is a very big way.  But Clark isn't letting Lionel get the upper hand here.  He's determined to keep his mother protected, and he has no problem letting Lionel know that in no uncertain terms.  Even issuing a subtle threat.  Tom is magnificent in this scene.  As is Glover.  

Poor Pete.  Ya know, its really hard to find many scenes of note that include Pete.  There are a few small scenes I like here and there, like Pete being Clark's campaign manager in Drone, them riding dirt bikes together in Skinwalker.  But trying to find something that felt more substantial was hard.  In the end, I choose the end scene from Duplicity.  I've never been a big fan of how Pete initially handled finding out Clark's secret.  But the end scene is something quite nice, and its a good friendship scene.  I like that it finally occured to Pete how much Clark must've been holding back in their friendly games of basketball.  And his urging Clark to let it all hang out was a cool move, and was probably a great moment for Clark.  The music is nice, and smiles are big, and its easy to believe these two as best friends.  I wish there had been more scenes like this.


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Jun. 3rd, 2011 03:41 am (UTC)
Nemesis is SUCH a sexy episode for them: the light at the end of the Clexana tunnel. Of course, Clark will rescue Lex but it's equally inevitable that Lex will rescue Clark (even though he knows Lana will leave him for Clark) because Clark is ultimately more important than Lana to him. I also love how Lex is still using present-tense for their friendship:

Lex: "You're the only real friend I've ever had, Clark.

Also loved Clark talking things over with his mother later and this quote from Martha:

Martha: "I know you two went through a lot but so much has happened. Sometimes, as hard as it is, you have to let go."

Which makes it sound like they're a couple!

It's also just sexy to watch Michael & Tom running through tunnels, clutching each other!

*will think over my Clark-scenes & post later.

Edited at 2011-06-03 03:41 am (UTC)
Jun. 3rd, 2011 04:49 pm (UTC)
Really, aside from some quibbles with logic in Nemesis (and isn't that every SV episode?), I pretty much enjoy this episode front to back. KK gives a really strong performance. And Michael and Tom were on fire!

And the idea of Clex being trapped together, and forced to work together, was long on my wish list. Its so rare for SV to actually deliver a plot I had hoped for.
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Jun. 3rd, 2011 04:50 pm (UTC)
Thats OK. I'm not going anywhere, and there's no time limit. Believe me, I understand how life can get in the way. My own life has been veering wildly between crazy busy, and bored out of my mind.
Jun. 3rd, 2011 05:25 pm (UTC)
Great choice! One that as you'll see, I included as well. GMTA, clearly--- ;-)

//In many ways, Nemesis is what I would call a quintessential Clex episode. And its the one I kept coming back to.//

Absolutely. And 'Nemesis' is an ep that strongly resonates, period. Even today. I loved it then, and somehow manage to fall in love with it all over again, no matter how many times I watch it.
Jun. 4th, 2011 04:16 am (UTC)
Nemesis would probably fall into my top 10 Smallville eps ever. As you said, it just resonates with me. And it comes in such a crappy season too.
Jun. 3rd, 2011 05:29 pm (UTC)
Clex: (I'm posting the Clois choices over in the earlier entry)

1. Hug
The final scene: “Trust me Clark, our friendship is going to be the stuff of legends.” ::chills:: ‘Nuff said.

2. Phoenix
Clex Reunion Hug: Still gets me every time because you can literally tell how immensely happy and relieved they are to see each other again. This little scene, little moment, almost has an oasis like quality to it now.

3. Nemesis
The tunnel scenes: This is one of my favorite eps and the Clex in it is a huge reason for it. Considering the point in their relationship, or lack of, that these two were in at this point, ironically their conversation in the tunnels was one of the most open and honest they’d had had till date. Lex all but admits he knew Clark was ''special'' and Clark all but admits he was aware that Lex knew. There may have been no direct declarations, and no deliberate intent on either side to concede anything, but at the same, there were no direct denials either, and it was an intriguing exchange. Then later, as we see Lex’ reactions - he thinks he knows what he knows, about Clark and yet he is confronted in those very tunnels, by evidence to the contrary, in the form of Clark bleeding and getting injured. It's fascinating. There's also a plethora of emotions in general, that emanate from both Clark and Lex - trust issues, anger, hurt, resentment. And this all sort of comes to the forefront, when despite all their differences, their deep seated issues, when the chips are ::literally:: crumbling all around them, Clex still work together in tandem to help each other out. It's a beautiful confirmation of the series' original and strongest premise, the relationship between Clark and Lex. Their friendship, the deterioration, the bond, the bond turning deadly, yet through all of this, for better or worse, in whether in negative or positive personifications, ::a:: bond still remaining.

4. Fracture
The Clex scene at the mansion: The symbolism in the ep is heavy handed, yes - but it was still nice to see the wee!Lex/Clark scenes, represent all that was truly right, and real and honest about the Clex friendship, as it once was, that inspite of the enormity of the shit that has transpired b/w them, there's still a part of them that consciously, or subconsciously continues to hold on to the other. And this leads wonderfully into that final scene they share, where we get to hear Clark verbalize once again that he still views Lex with tinges of hope. It’s incredible because that's an integral part of the line of thinking that will shape him as future Supes.

5. Descent
The scene outside Luthorcorp: Only these two could convey so much without any words spoken. When they lock eyes it's incredibly compelling to see the emotions forming. Clark with his almost questioning look - "did you really do this, Lex?" and Lex with the somewhat shaken, "I can't take this right now" and very evident attempts at trying to avoid his stare. He even tries to break through the crowd and physically get away from Clark's prying and questioning gaze. This is met with Clark refusing to break it free, and even following him, in step across the police lines. The direction is so effective.

6. Descent:
The scene at Lionel’ grave: Another wordless, poignant exchange, a parallel, almost to their first scene because whereas in the first one, it was Lex who was trying to avoid Clark's gaze, this one begins with Clark doing the same. This is the point where these two are fully aware of where the other stands. There was no mincing of words, earlier in the scene they shared. And so in those brief moments of Clark trying to keep his gaze down, he has one final bout of sadness, and disbelief at what has become, of the two of them and their relationship. But it passes, because their eyes do meet eventually. And again, so beautifully, so much is conveyed. Clark, with his utterly determined expression. And Lex with an almost smirk of "bring it on."
Jun. 4th, 2011 04:19 am (UTC)
Wow, I love the way you describe stuff. I'm just going to pick scenes, and let you describe them for me, OK?

Everything you picked, I totally agree with. All of them occured to me, except maybe for Fracture. Although, now that you mention it...

That first Clex scene in Descent is genius. I really believe that. So much is conveyed between 2 characters that don't say a word to each other.

The Phoenix hug will always be amazing. What a big, joyous bear hug.
Jun. 3rd, 2011 05:39 pm (UTC)
//"But Valerie, how can I possibly choose from the wealth of deep and meaningful Clark and Pete scenes?"//

Heh! Alas, poor, product placement Pete.

Will get back with these.
Jun. 4th, 2011 04:19 am (UTC)
Just be thankful I didn't include Whitney. LOL
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Jun. 4th, 2011 04:21 am (UTC)
I love your review of this episode. And yes, it is an amazing episode. I think one of the reasons I love it so much was because it was deep into Clex-hate-each-other now territory, and yet their is so much genuine feeling still between them. LOVE IT!
Jun. 4th, 2011 11:44 am (UTC)
I like all of your choices. I have no idea if I'll be able to come up with my choices for all of these characters, but when I thought of Martha, I immediately came up with that end scene in Solitude.

When Clark says, "you're my heart," it just tugs at MY heart.

I also thought of the funny moment from Cool where Martha says, "I'm not familiar with this child. Where's the moody one who lives upstairs, runs real fast?"

Edited at 2011-06-04 11:45 am (UTC)
Jun. 4th, 2011 02:58 pm (UTC)
It was really hard not to go with Solitude, because its such a beautiful moment. Not only between the characters, but the whole way its filmed. But Memoria won out because I think it said a bit more about both characters. Really, its a toss up though.

And that was a great line from Martha in Cool.
Jun. 4th, 2011 06:47 pm (UTC)
For Clark-Martha:
Tie between their scene in Solitude and the barn scene (still my favorite barn scene) in Memoria.
I always felt more during their heart to hearts than I did with Clark-Johnathan.
Jun. 5th, 2011 01:54 am (UTC)
Maybe that was because there was less of them, so when they did occur, it felt more meaningful? I don't know, but I happen to agree with you. But Jonathan Kent is a character that brings up a lot of conflicting emotions in me.
Jun. 5th, 2011 06:53 am (UTC)
Ah, Nemesis was such a great Clex episode. And it was very refreshing because most of the S6 Clex scenes until that point were so one dimensional: Clark accuses Lex, who turns the tables around and brags about taking Lana away from him. I'd say my favorite scene from that epi is when Lex comes back to save him, but yours was nice too.

As for the rest, again off the top of my head:

- Clark/Martha: Since you mentioned the Memoria scene, I'll go with the Vengeance scene. Both are brilliant scenes though. It's like choosing between A++ and A+.

- Clark/Jonathan: I'd say the one at the end of Rosetta where Jonathan tries to console Clark about Jor-El's "rule them with strength" message. I loved the camera angle in the end that revealed Jonathan's concern as he hugged Clark. And if I had to choose a Clark/Jonathan's ghost scene, I'd go with the one in Void. Clark desperately needed to see him again at the time and that made the scene more emotional.

- Clark/Lionel: Clark fighting LionelSeid.:P The Mercy scene is probably my favorite too. I kind of liked their 1st scene in Luthor too...

- Clark/Pete: Pete's goodbye scene in Forsaken.
Jun. 5th, 2011 04:45 pm (UTC)
Nemesis was a great Lana episode too. It really showed how angry and bitter she was towards Lex and Lionel, and how only a threat to Clark was able to break through that for her. And yet, still, it wasn't enough for her to give up her pretense and get information about Lex. Its a very complex ep for her.

So, I kind of love Nemesis on 2 levels. And I like Martha and Chloe in it too, so its sort of a home run all the way around.

Vengeance is really the Clark/Martha scene closest to my heart, because it brings up a lot of real life emotions for me, because my own father had passed away only a few months before it aired. But I just felt Memoria had a few more layers.

The Clark/Jonathan scene in Rosetta was a definite contender. But I think I choose to go with a scene where Clark was on a more equal level with Jonathan.

I think Pete's farewell scene in Forsaken is a solid choice. Though it did kind of throw Clark for a loop again.
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Jun. 5th, 2011 02:53 pm (UTC)
//The show sort of canonized him a bit too much for my liking, though there can be no doubt that he was a huge influence in Clark's life.//

I think that's a very fair assessment. And that scene is such a good one, from an underrated ep, IMO.

//This was very, very tough, because I actually had 3 scenes that were really vying for the top. And even though I choose this one from Memoria, I don't feel quite right leaving out the last scene from Vengeance, or the scene in the barn from Solitude. But, I think I choose this scene because it didn't only highlight the warmth and love between mother and son, but I think it also hinted, ever so slightly, at the tentativeness Martha sometimes had when dealing with Clark. When she first comes up to the barn, you can tell that she isn't quite sure what to say to him. And she's about to turn around and leave Clark to his brooding, until he says the name "Lara". I think its this added layer to the Clark/Martha relationship that made me choose this scene in the end.//

I agree with you on the two other scenes, and I love the way you put this. It's a difficult scene, almost uncomfortable, in a way, because one almost feels like they're intruding by watching it. Does that make any sense? And yet it's so quietly powerful and resonant because at the heart of it, it's just a mother who is trying to be there for her son, in a completely extraordinary situation, yet with the most human words she can find to comfort him. And then they just talk. And it's beautiful.

//But Clark isn't letting Lionel get the upper hand here. He's determined to keep his mother protected, and he has no problem letting Lionel know that in no uncertain terms. Even issuing a subtle threat. Tom is magnificent in this scene. As is Glover.//

They so are. I love your pick for them. This is such a dynamic scene.

//The music is nice, and smiles are big, and its easy to believe these two as best friends. I wish there had been more scenes like this.//

Agreed. There were so few and far between. Poor Pete was just so hopelessly underused.
Jun. 5th, 2011 04:49 pm (UTC)
I have so many issues with Jonathan Kent and things he's done over the years. Unlike some though, my issues aren't Lex-centric. My issues relate more to his parenting of Clark. I know he was a good, loving father, but man, he did project a lot of his issues onto Clark, and he was very rigid in his ways.

You assessment of Memoria makes perfect sense. Its that awkwardness that puts it over the top. Because you can tell that Martha really isn't quite sure how to talk to her son about all this. Because its usually Jonathan that handles this sort of stuff. She really needs Clark to give her that opening. I think I appreciate the added layer.

After I used that Clark/Lionel scene, I had to watch Mercy again. I really like that episode. Maybe it helps that I've never seen the Saw movies, so the rip off doesn't bother me.
Jun. 5th, 2011 02:59 pm (UTC)
I'm having a tough time with the Clark/Lionel pick. They've sort of been all over the place, haven't they? And I'm just going to stick by your pick for Clark/Pete.

Jonathon (Rosetta)

The scene where Clark and Jonathon put the key in the ship: This is one of the most powerful moments from the show, IMO. Clark is so terribly confused, he’s distressed, but he’s also curious. His ‘otherness’ has never been more apparent to him. And so what can his father possibly do to help him at that point? He can’t just let him be because clearly he sees his son in visible distress, and yet he can’t exactly pretend it’s all sunshine’n’roses either when there are so many reasons for uncertainty swirling around in Clark’ head. So he’s there for Clark in that moment the way only he could’ve been. The dialogue in this scene is terrific, and so revealing. At first Jonathon is just the concerned father, telling Clark his mother and him are there for him. Then he sees Clark not really responding to that because he’s got this giant revelation and he’s in his own train of thought. Even when Jonathon tells him he’s not alone, Clark is still distracted. And the scared little boy in him reveals he’s not ready to face the questions or answers on his own. So of course Jonathon goes down to the basement with him, to confront whatever it is, together. And in the scene, and one of Jonathon’ most human moments, through all the craziness, for a brief second as he’s looking at the ship, he wonders out loud how Clark could ever have been that small. But he’s quickly back in protective!dad mode and at every step of Clark’ every doubt, he reassures him, with conviction and love. Everything he says to Clark is exactly what a father should say, and at that point, exactly what Clark needs to hear. And I believe with all his heart Jonathon wanted to believe himself in that moment, and probably did, as well. And yet, and here’s where JS is pretty fantastic, because you can tell, in the briefest of cracks between, that maybe there is a flicker of doubt in his own mind too. And how can it not be? For as alien (no pun intended) as this all is for Clark, so too is it for Jonathon. But the difference is that he can’t afford to be scared, or to show those conflicting emotions, because he needs to be there for his son, unequivocally. And so he is, no questions asked, only comfort and reassurance given. And that’s what makes this not only a powerfully compelling father/son moment, but also a Jonathon moment.

Martha (Crusade)

Clark returns to Martha in the caves: There are some lovely Clark/Martha scenes, the ones from ‘Memoria’, ‘Vengeance’ and ‘Solitude’ all beautifully come to mind. And I love them all. In the interest of adding another one to that list though, I’ll go with perhaps not as powerful or defining a moment as the other ones, but one that I think speaks to the kind of dynamic/chemistry between Clark and Martha that a lot of us ‘aaaww’d’ at, often. And that was whenever Martha would just cradle and hug Clark. And he was, always, to her, her little boy in those moments. No matter how big or strong he was, he would remain her baby, especially when he was in danger or in distress. And so after the harrowing events of the ep for Martha, as a mother, when she’s able to finally get her son back, and he just collapses on the ground, she’s there for him instantly, lovingly embracing him.
Jun. 5th, 2011 04:53 pm (UTC)
I think its absolutely true that the Rosetta scene is one of the most powerful of the entire series. Its such a game changer, really. And that flicker of doubt on Jonathan's face is really what takes it to a whole other level.

Awww, I love that Clark/Martha scene from Crusade. Its great to see how strong and capable Martha is when its all up to her, and she needs to make the sort of moves that Jonathan always had to. AOT always plays it so that you can tell that Martha is a bit out of her comfort zone, yet she has this steely resolve. And like you, I love any moment when she needs to cradle her big giant baby boy.
Jun. 6th, 2011 01:16 pm (UTC)
The scenes that I thought of for Jonathan, were the different times that he helps Clark with his powers, even though Jonathan has no idea what having powers is actually like.

The scene in X-ray is cute when Jonathan wants Clark to guess what's in his pocket and it's his pocket knife.

I also thought of the scene from Whisper when Jonathan is helping Clark with his super-hearing.

Then there's his heat vision in Heat, when Jonathan has the scarecrow for Clark to use as practice.

There are probably lots of other meaningful scenes, but that's what came to my mind.
Jun. 6th, 2011 04:52 pm (UTC)
The scene is X-Ray is ADORABLE. I love that scene.

For me though, I think of the scenes in X-Ray and Whisper as being Kent family scenes, rather then Clark/Jonathan specific.

Now, the one in Heat is definitely Clark/Jonathan specific, and a really nice moment.
Jun. 7th, 2011 11:40 am (UTC)
Love this idea and I just made my post, too.

Nemesis is a great Clex episode. But I've got to say that it's really difficult to pick just one scene between these two.
Jun. 7th, 2011 09:11 pm (UTC)
It took me forever to settle on one Clex scene. Its just a very complicated choice.

I love your choices. Thanks for participating. :)
Jun. 9th, 2011 09:06 pm (UTC)
Alright, and now to make it over to this part. I'm just going to make it short like I did with the other section.

Clark/Lex: I really like your pick with Nemesis. That ranks very high for me too. An episode that also really stands out to me in regards to Clark and Lex is Descent. That was some intense stuff, and the acting in that mansion scene was nuts. Very emotional throughout. Also their scene at the end of Bound. So many.

Clark/Jonathan: I liked their scenes in Reaper. Sadly, it's almost like a precursor to what happened in Season 5.

Clark/Martha: I like your pick with Memoria. That one really stands out to me. Perhaps one of the best scenes in the history of SV. There was also some pretty strong stuff between them in Solitude, and a couple of sad ones in Reckoning and Vengeance.

Clark/Lionel: I've got to go with your pick - Mercy. Clark wasn't playing around anymore there. I'm having a hard time remembering one here. There's a scene in Season 4 between them that I thought was pretty good when Lionel is explaining to Clark the miracle that happened to him after Clark had "cured" him. Maybe Bound?

Clark/Pete: Talk about a shortchanged best friendship, and that's an understatement. Obviously, it's Duplicity. I also liked them doing the investigating together in Suspect. 2 of my all-time favorite episodes. The Clark/Pete relationship is one of those hidden gems and one of the reasons that I like the first few seasons so much.

You've got some good stuff going on around here Valerie. I'll be back sometime to add to the other picks.

Jun. 9th, 2011 11:03 pm (UTC)
I would've expected more early seasons Clex scenes to be mentioned, but it seems Nemesis and Descent are quite popular when it comes to Clex.

Reaper is the episode where Clark and Jonathan are at odds over the swimming trip. I like those scenes very much too.

I know what Clark/Lionel scene you are talking about, but I can't remember which episode it takes place in. You might be right about Bound.

Duplicity and Suspect are 2 of your favorite episodes? Thats surprising. One thing you can definitely say for SV, it did give fans a lot of different types of episodes over the years.

Thanks for coming by to play Matt. Its great to have your opinions here.
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Jun. 10th, 2011 07:02 pm (UTC)
Johnathan: The end of Rosetta. I can't really explain why.

Pete: I'd say either their farewell scene or their talk after the kiss in Truth..nice to have an honest admission of feelings (shame for no follow up though)

Lionel- First scene in season 7. How their relationship had changed but still Clark had a bit of distrust towards Lionel.
Jun. 11th, 2011 01:18 am (UTC)
No need to explain that Clark/Jonathan scene from Rosetta. I think that scene speaks for itself. Its very strong.

The Clark/Pete scene from Truth is great. Because we finally get to hear Pete talk about how much he felt he was in Clark's shadow. And that actually did a lot to flesh Pete out as a character. He really wanted to be a good friend to Clark, but he also couldn't help but resent him a little, because he was Clark!

I don't even remember the first Clark/Lionel scene from S7. What was it?
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