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Week 2 down, 20 more to go.

Overall, I liked Shield better then Lazarus.  Maybe I've just become very basic in my SV viewing needs, but I think an episode that doesn't leave me angry when its over automatically rates some extra points.  After Lazarus, I was annoyed.  After Shield, I was, like, "Oh, OK, well lets see where this goes...".  I will take the latter over the former any day.

First, the totals

Shield, running time 41m, 30s (previously on: 52s)

Clark:  17m, 3s
Lois:   9m, 28s
Tess:   5m, 18s
Oliver: 9m, 20s

Cat Grant:  14m, 2s
Carter:  9m, 5s

Year to Date Totals:

Clark:  40m, 17s (this time last season, 27m, 55s  Big Improvement!)
Lois:  17m, 33s
Tess:  11m, 45s
Oliver:  12m, 51s



I'll start with the biggest reasons I enjoyed this episode....Clark, Cat Grant, Tess Mercer, Deadshot.

First,  the easiest to explain.  I thought the guy playing Deadshot was fun.  He actually doesn't have much to do here, but I found myself wanting to see more of him, and that always indicates to me that an actor is giving something more to a role.  I don't have any comic book knowledge of the character, so I'm not beholden to any preconceived notion of what he should be.  Like the actor they choose to play Rick Flagg (another name from the comics that means nothing to me), I find myself interested in what more there is to see of these characters.  I think I might like where this Suicide Squad stuff goes.

Onto the guest star with the most screentime, Cat Grant.  When I first saw this character in previews, I was very skeptical.  And I was disappointed that they didn't use the actress that played Catherine Grant in Crossfire, as I found her interesting and engaging, and I thought she had nice chemistry with Tom.  Luckily, so does this version of Cat Grant.  Now, Cat Grant is a character I do have some prior knowledge of, having seen the Tracy Scoggins version in the Lois & Clark television show.  Obviously this Cat is a very, very different version.

I thought Keri Lynn Pratt did a really good job at giving this character some depth.  I wouldn't say she's a likeable character, necessarily, but she's also not a bad person.  She's misguided, I think.  And obviously her own experiances has made her mistrustful.  Now, why that mistrust is aimed at the cloaked heroes of Metropolis is never quite made clear, but I think they needed some character to represent the public dissention that is obviously going to play a large role this season.  And for that role, I think she did fine.  Even though she was presented as smart, and resourceful, there was also something a bit simple about her.  So, it worked. 

The Clark/Cat interaction worked very, very well.  I enjoy when Clark gets some serious interaction with characters outside of the norm.  I believe that the show gets revitalized a bit when it allows us to view Clark from the perspective of new eyes.  Through Cat, I felt like we got something of a throwback to how people used to regard Clark in the earlier seasons.  When he was just the teenage hero who always seem to be in the right place, at the right time.  And it was fun to walk down that memory lane.  Cat's admiration for Clark at the end felt easy.

I really, really loved the heart-to-heart talk Cat and Clark had.  It even allowed us a tiny bit of insight into what Clark is thinking and feeling at the moment.  Its very nice to see Clark being this good person that people want to befriend and confide in.

I also think one of the things that this episode got right was that it showcased why its important for Clark and Lois to interact heavily with other people, and keep a strong sense of individual, even as the show is headed into committed for life couple territory. 

Now, some of the dialogue was so heavy with anvils that it just felt clunky.  This is a SV writing issue.  Truth be told, I think SV has a staff of very average TV writers, and this sort of anvil-ish dialogue shows their weaknesses very strongly.

Tess continues to be made of win!  I very much liked her scene with Oliver, but mostly from her end of it.  Oliver, as is too often the case, was sort of a dick. 

Can I just take a moment to vent here?....this Tess/Oliver scene is a good illustration of why I just do not like the character of Oliver.  I get that he's upset over Chloe, his great love, blahblahblah.  But what is one of the first things he does?  He makes a nasty comment about Clark.  And why?  Why even bring Clark into this conversation about Chloe?  Tess even says "Low blow", and it is.  And why?  I get so sick and tired of Oliver taking all these passive-agressive shots at Clark, even in the oddest circumstances.  And if I didn't already love Tess, like, So Much, I'd love her more now when she actually sticks up for Clark.  To Oliver.  Let me say that again...Tess is sticking up for Clark to Oliver.  Why is that even happening?

OK, lets return to the Tess/Oliver scene.  I just love the way Tess handled that scene (and kudos to Cassidy for reading that WAY over the top letter with a straight face).

And the Tess/Clark scenes were even better.  I've seen some people complaining that Clark is going to Tess for help, but thats not exactly what happened.  Clark went to investigate Cat on his own, in Tess's office.  Tess walked in, and thats how their conversation began.  Clark does tell Tess what happened, but its the fact that Tess has information about this guy that sparks this exhange of information.  And why shouldn't Clark allow Tess to help if it means saving a womans life?  Later on in the ep, its Tess that calls Clark with information on the bullet.  I'm not even sure Clark knew she was still working on it.  I know I felt like their exchanges were pretty organic.  It felt like this is where they would be considering everything thats happened so far, especially after Salvation.  Tess still wants Clark to trust her.  Clark thanks her for her help, but its clear his trust is withheld.  And I just enjoy the tension that Cassidy and Tom bring to their scenes, especially when there isn't any violence involved.

I also don't agree with the complaint that Tess is the new Chloe.  The reality is that Chloe handled a lot of this exposition stuff that the writers use to move along the plot.  Its a bit lazy, but expedient.  But now Chloe is gone, and the show must go on.  So, they've found a way to tweak this plot device, with Tess providing some of the exposition.  It doesn't make her Chloe.  Nothing about Tess reminds me of Chloe, quite frankly.  And since I know this exposition scenes are going to occur on the show, regardless of who, or who isn't, in the cast, then I welcome the change to the status quo that Tess provides.

Honestly, anything that gets me more Tom/Cassidy scenes is A-OK for this viewer!.

Now, the part of the episode I am on the fence with is the Lois/Carter stuff.  The whole set-up felt a bit contrived, and it was.  In some ways, it worked, as the actors had nice chemistry with each other, and it provided an outlet for Lois to talk about what she was feeling.  And Shanks does a great job with this role, and it seems clear that he will be back, and part of a bigger story, so they needed to introduce him back to the canvas.  But here's the problem with these scenes that I just cannot shake....was it really OK for Lois and Carter to be discussing Clark so openly given the fact that Lois really has very, very little information as to the nature of any relationship between Clark and Carter?  And as for Carter, does he really think its appropriate to be having this conversation about Clark, and who he is, to Lois when he's perfectly well aware that Clark still doesn't seem to want Lois to know?  And I keep wondering if they couldn't have introduced some other element into these scenes to make them discussing Clark seem more palatable to me, but I can't really think of anything.  Its really more bothersome to me on Carter's end, rather then Lois.  Though this is the second time they've had Lois discuss Clark with a third party where it doesn't feel entirely right.  But as for Carter, I guess I just expect that someone who has lived a life among other heroes who have had to adopt alternate identities for one reason or another to not be such a chatty Cathy when it comes to someone elses secret.

I was also confused as to how Clark has sent Carter to keep an eye on Lois, when it seemed like the digsite was a place Carter already was.  Did he know where Lois was going, so had Carter set himself up there ahead of Lois' arrival?  I guess. *shrug* 

And purely from a nitpicky POV, I found Lois handling all these ancient artifacts to be a bit offputting, if only because they should be treated with more respect and care.  And yeah, I know, its nitpicky.  Sometimes its these tiny things that make my eye twitch. 

But, I don't have any issue with where Lois is coming from emotionally in these scenes.  Her questions, not only about Clark, but about her own place in his life, felt very valid.

The kiss didn't seem necessary, and please, would television stop having women slap men in the face in scenes like this!  Its so cliched, and it feels so fake.  I would've preferred to just see Lois give him a hard shove.

I loved Lois' desert wear.  On a show where the way they dress the leading ladies drives me bonkers, they all looked good in Shield.

Oh, and I just have to say this, because its something I feel so, so strongly about, but sorry, Yes, I do think Clark could do it without Lois.  I'm sorry, but I do.  I understand that everyone in Clark's life has an influence on him, but I so adamently believe that Clark becoming Superman is something he's meant to do, and something he's on a course to do.  And I do think he could do it with, or without, Lois.  Her influence will change the way he gets there, and who he is once he's there.  I'm not taking that away from her.  But I think to suggest he couldn't do it without -insert name here- is deeply insulting to Clark, and who he is, and what lies in his heart. 

And now to the stuff I didn't like...

Oliver.  Pissy, pouty Oliver is just such a huge drag for me.  Yes, I can acknowledge that he has cause to be upset.  But going on the 3rd season of pissy, pouty Oliver, and I'm just worn out by him.  Also, I just don't believe in this great Chlollie love.  It didn't translate for me, and its not believable to me.  And as I noted before, I do not understand why Oliver always has to take cheap shots at Clark.  I HATE it.  It makes me want to kick him in the nuts.

Also, is Oliver suggesting that they come out to the world as heroes?  See, to me, this feels like another thing that they are taking away from Clark.  Because isn't coming out to the world, showing his real face, one of those big things that sets Superman apart from other heroes?  It breaks my heart a lot that I feel certain that they are going to take this away from Clark.  Maybe its not a big thing to others, but its a big thing to me. 

Also, I don't really buy Clark's nonchalance at Chloe's disappearance.  I see what they are geting at, and obivously its a necessity since AM isn't a regular anymore, but still...it feels fake.  Clark appears callous, and he isn't that at all.  They could've set this whole thing up SO MUCH better by just having Chloe send Clark a message that tells him that her plan is in motion, and that she's fine, and to please trust her.  See how easy that is?  Just something more tangible for Clark so one could understand why he appears rather blase.   And the comparison of Lois leaving, and Chloe leaving, by both Oliver and Clark was nonsensical to the extreme.  

Oh, one more big thing I wanted to address....the whole "Superman" mention.   It doesn't fall in the dislike category, exactly, just the MEH category.   While its great to hear that said on the show, I didn't too much love the context.  Because in context of the conversation that Carter and Lois were having, it was that everyone can be "a Superman".  It wasn't like they were talking about Clark as "Superman".  Basically, Carter was saying that we all have that in us.  So, Clark is just one of the Superman's?  IDK, it didn't sit right.  Maybe I was just supposed to zone out on the real conversation, and just geek out because Lois said the word Superman?  Yeah, I didn't.  LOL

Some random things:

Cat's headline calling Oliver "Mean Arrow" cracked me up.

Once again, Tom Welling demonstrates how masterful a job he does with subtle humor.  Just the look on his face, and his body language, when getting into Cat's car was wonderful.  And later, when Cat asks "Who would want to kill me?", and he just does this little eyeroll....so gifted at this.  It will truly be a shame if the man never gets the chance to do a romantic comedy on the big screen.

Did anyone else get a very Rush Limbaugh/Glenn Beck vibe from the voice on the radio?

Chloe keeps a naked picture of herself on her own dresser?  Wouldn't that be the sort of thing Oliver would have on his bedroom dresser?  Am I crazy here?  I just can't even imagine keeping a photo like that of myself on my dresser.

How did Oliver change into his Green Arrow costume in 3 seconds, and then get on the other side of the room as Cat.  And then he just disappears?  And if you don't want people to think of you as a thug, maybe you shouldn't snatch their phones from them.  Just sayin'

Why do Chloe and Lois have a black wig hanging by their door?

And last, Clark's new outfit.  Well, I don't know.  I don't mind the concept of it, but that red leather jacket looks very stiff, and a bit '80's to me.  But, what really didn't work so well for me was the slicked back hair.  Why?  I don't get why they did his hair like that.

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katyjane91
Oct. 3rd, 2010 02:57 am (UTC)
Agreed!
I swear I would still post on here even if I didn't agree. I really would. BUT YOUR JUST SO DAMN RIGHT ALL THE TIME!

Lowest point of the episode was Ollie taking a cheap shot at Clark. What was the point? The guy wasn't even there to defend himself! What kinda friend is that?
I loved that Tess called him on it and even seemed kinda shocked. She's supposed to be the villain (or she was a few seasons ago) so if shes saying 'low blow'....

All the Ollie/Chlollie stuff was as flat as a 7th grade girl but its to be expected since thats such a forced 'love story' anyway, right?

And I agree that the Carter/Lois kiss was completely useless and gross. I sort of liked the whole mentor thing they had going and then he has to go and be gross......it was grrrooosssss..
But Clark was awesome in this epi and I actually like the jacket. But I like bright colors. I'm like a bird or something.
Anyway, in conclusion: Ollie needs to shut it. Clark is awesome. Chloe was apparently even more in love with herself than we thought. (Tell me you thought 'masturbation material' when she had that picture BY HER BED!!!) And Lois was pretty awesome, as per usual.
Great review, once again! Hit the nail on the head!
jeannev
Oct. 3rd, 2010 03:12 am (UTC)
Awwww, *hugs you*

I don't understand how they write the Clark/Oliver scenes. Hell, I don't understand how they write Oliver at all. I just don't believe that Clark and Oliver are friends in any way, shape or form. I think they are associates. I think they work together. But I also think Oliver has a huge bug up his ass when it comes to Clark, and I don't understand why.

Oh man, now you put the thought of Chloe self-pleasuring herself, staring at her own picture, in my head. Bad Katyjane, Bad!
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miss_tress
Oct. 3rd, 2010 03:02 am (UTC)
But going on the 3rd season of pissy, pouty Oliver, and I'm just worn out by him.
YES! I'm so sick of him having some huge thing to angst over and somehow blame Clark for every season. He really just needs to suck up his man!pain and get on with his life.
jeannev
Oct. 3rd, 2010 03:14 am (UTC)
You know, I get that angst is just a SV staple. But with Oliver, he's just such a whiney bitch about it. And then, somehow, its Clark's fault.

They ruined any possibility of me believing that Clark and Oliver can be friends.
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asha14
Oct. 3rd, 2010 03:23 am (UTC)
I liked this episode and your review even though we do not agree about the Tess and Clark scenes. I do think that Tess was basically Chloe, and I saw no tension in her scenes with Clark at all and their scenes bored me. I do agree with you about Not Cat, I thought she was very likable and I really liked her vibe with Clark and would love to see more of it.

The less I say about the Clark/Oliver stuff the better I am all ranted out about Oliver. I also agree that Clark does not need anyone to become Superman, however imo he does need Lois to help the people of Metropolis to trust him. To many people put stock in what the media says, and this episode and previous episodes have already alluded that the power of the press. The press (Lois)plays a big part into the reason why people are open to the blur, and the power of the press (Godfry) in future episodes might be the reason they turn against him. I think that is why the writers are pushing the best and trusted reporter angle with Lois, so when it is time for Clark to come out to the world it will be a trusted source that will be championing his cause.

For some reason the Lois/Hawkman scenes annoyed me, yes some of it was funny however a lot of it (and this was mostly due to Lois) was tiring. I think the reason for that is the secret keeping for me is old, and Lois should be asking Clark these questions. I also agree with you about Deadshot a very interesting bad guy.
jeannev
Oct. 3rd, 2010 03:42 am (UTC)
I think some dynamics are just subjective. They work for you, or they don't. For reasons I can't fully explain, Cassidy and Tom just click for me.

Its so funny, because I didn't really care for the heavy Oliver stuff we got when he was introduced in S6. But I sort of liked him when they brought him back for Siren. And I was actually excited for him to become a regular in S8, because I thought to myself "Hey, a guy friend for Clark to talk about hero stuff". God, be careful what you wish for, eh?

I'm OK with Lois being helpful in getting the people of Metropolis to trust Clark. I just wish that distinction was made a bit better. That makes Lois' role a complimentary one, and I'm fine with that.

The secret stuff is such a bad idea. I just hate that they went in this direction. I don't think its "fun" at all.
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tasabian
Oct. 3rd, 2010 03:31 am (UTC)
Did anyone else get a very Rush Limbaugh/Glenn Beck vibe from the voice on the radio?
I did, particularly in the use of "agenda" and talk of "coming out of closets." It's fun to see SV engage in a little satire of a deserving target! Godfrey promises to be a good character.

Yes, I do think Clark could do it without Lois. I'm sorry, but I do. I understand that everyone in Clark's life has an influence on him, but I so adamently believe that Clark becoming Superman is something he's meant to do, and something he's on a course to do. And I do think he could do it with, or without, Lois. Her influence will change the way he gets there, and who he is once he's there. I'm not taking that away from her. But I think to suggest he couldn't do it without -insert name here- is deeply insulting to Clark, and who he is, and what lies in his heart.
*co-signs every word* And I would hope that Lois herself might articulate this at some point in the show.

was it really OK for Lois and Carter to be discussing Clark so openly given the fact that Lois really has very, very little information as to the nature of any relationship between Clark and Carter? And as for Carter, does he really think its appropriate to be having this conversation about Clark, and who he is, to Lois when he's perfectly well aware that Clark still doesn't seem to want Lois to know?
I found their scenes entirely confusing for all the reasons you state - even if Lois knows Carter is Hawkman, how does that lead to her assuming Carter knows Clark is the Blur? It doesn't fit with how well Lois has kept Oliver's secret in the past. And Carter - none of his scenes or dialogue resonated for me in this episode.

I also don't agree with the complaint that Tess is the new Chloe. The reality is that Chloe handled a lot of this exposition stuff that the writers use to move along the plot. Its a bit lazy, but expedient. But now Chloe is gone, and the show must go on. So, they've found a way to tweak this plot device, with Tess providing some of the exposition. It doesn't make her Chloe.
I found much of her dialogue to be so generic it could have been spoken by Chloe or Emil - I want as much Cassidy-time on the show as possible but Tess has her own way of expressing herself & I hope she doesn't lose that!

I really, really loved the heart-to-heart talk Cat and Clark had. It even allowed us a tiny bit of insight into what Clark is thinking and feeling at the moment. Its very nice to see Clark being this good person that people want to befriend and confide in.
It reminded me of his scene with Alex at the end of Warrior, where we get a little window into him and he shows a little more of himself to a stranger than he sometimes will to the people closest to him. And irritating as Cat is, she gave Tom lots to react to and he was very fun to watch!

I also think one of the things that this episode got right was that it showcased why its important for Clark and Lois to interact heavily with other people, and keep a strong sense of individual, even as the show is headed into committed for life couple territory.
Exactly. Acting opposite new faces lets the actors stretch a little too - ie, ED with Brian Austin Green last season, or Tom with Serinda Swan.
jeannev
Oct. 3rd, 2010 03:47 am (UTC)
I'm interested to see where they go with Godfrey. But, truth be told, I feel a bit disconnected from this Darkseid and his minions storyline, because I feel a bit like they are excluding SV viewers who aren't comic book readers. Like I'm just supposed to know who these characters are, and if I don't...well, tough.

I'm hoping Tess will be more comfortable being herself when she and Clark work together a bit more. Right now, I sense that she is being careful, and on her best behavior. But I think she'll loosen up a bit.

There is no doubt in my mind that the majority of Clark and Lois scenes are going to be with each other. OK, I get that. But I do think its very, very important to continue to develop them seperately from each other too. It brings some variety to the show, and keeps the dynamic fresh. The best TV couples are always made from 2 strong individual characters, I think.
cbrownjc
Oct. 3rd, 2010 03:41 am (UTC)
Oliver is just . . . ugh. Another season of watching him be broody and melodramatic is just so not appealing. It's sad for me because I used to really like Oliver, and while I didn't want him trying to be a Bruce Wayne stand-in in the BFF department, I was hopeful that he and Oliver could be friendly most of the time - giving Clark a true guy friend again on the show (after the friendship with Lex went south).

But that wish was over and done with by the time Doomsday finished airing. And now they've just made him All About Chloe, and that just make him utterly boring IMO.

And you're right, the fact that Tess was defending Clark to Oliver is just all sorts of messed up.

That said though, I did like the scene between him and Clark at Watchtower.

Did anyone else get a very Rush Limbaugh/Glenn Beck vibe from the voice on the radio?

Totally done on purpose, given that the character doing the talking (who we'll meet next week) was based on G. Gordon Liddy, who was a right-wing talk show host in the vein of Limbaugh/Beck back in the 80s.

Oh, one more big thing I wanted to address....the whole "Superman" mention. It doesn't fall in the dislike category, exactly, just the MEH category. While its great to hear that said on the show, I didn't too much love the context. Because in context of the conversation that Carter and Lois were having, it was that everyone can be "a Superman". It wasn't like they were talking about Clark as "Superman". Basically, Carter was saying that we all have that in us. So, Clark is just one of the Superman's? IDK, it didn't sit right. Maybe I was just supposed to zone out on the real conversation, and just geek out because Lois said the word Superman? Yeah, I didn't. LOL

Actually, I think the whole purpose of the conversation was to give Lois the IDEA of the name Superman. In other contexts where you see Lois name him, it's either because she mistakes the House of El symbol for a "S" and just goes from there with it (such as in Lois & Clark), or they've had her explicitly reference Nietzsche when she does it (as she did in Superman the Animated Series).

Well, SVLois has seen the \S/ symbol for over a year now and not come up with the name Superman from it; and we had no idea if she's ever read Nietzsche before now to know about the concept of the Übermensch to reference it when she names him Superman. This way, through her conversation with Carter, they've now given Lois a context to reference back on for when she finally DOES name him Superman.

And also? It was probably done as a call-back to the Pilot was well.

Edited at 2010-10-03 03:46 am (UTC)
jeannev
Oct. 3rd, 2010 04:12 am (UTC)
I really wanted Clark to have a guy friend that he could talk openly too. And instead, they bring on Oliver, and have this weird passive-agressive adverserial thing going. Which is beyond old at this point.

Ah, thanks for the info on Godfrey.

I guess, for me, the idea that Clark is Superman is sort of a special name Lois gives Clark. But what Carter was talking about was that we could all be Unbermensch, or Supermans. I don't know, that just sort of defeats the specialness of the name to me, in a way.

And you are right, I'm sure it was mostly done as a call back to the pilot, since they are all about the nostalgia this year.
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jude_judith82
Oct. 3rd, 2010 04:01 am (UTC)
The Clark/Cat interaction worked very, very well. I enjoy when Clark gets some serious interaction with characters outside of the norm. I believe that the show gets revitalized a bit when it allows us to view Clark from the perspective of new eyes.

I was pleasantly surprised by this. I was ready to roll my eyes but I didn't and I loved that even though Clark was annoyed by her he very respectfully disagreed with her.

e had no idea if she's ever read Nietzsche before now to know about the concept of the Übermensch to reference it when she names him Superman. This way, through her conversation with Carter, they've now given Lois a context to reference back on for when she finally DOES name him Superman.

And also? It was probably done as a call-back to the Pilot was well.


Like you said earlier the writing on this show can be very clunky but I think this was done well. I thought of Lana immediately asking Clark if he was man or superman. <3
jeannev
Oct. 3rd, 2010 04:14 am (UTC)
Clark and Cat worked so much better then I thought they would. That interaction just worked. And it was a lot of fun to watch because it gave Tom the chance to do funny.
svfan01
Oct. 3rd, 2010 04:08 am (UTC)
"I also don't agree with the complaint that Tess is the new Chloe. The reality is that Chloe handled a lot of this exposition stuff that the writers use to move along the plot. Its a bit lazy, but expedient. But now Chloe is gone, and the show must go on. So, they've found a way to tweak this plot device, with Tess providing some of the exposition. It doesn't make her Chloe"

It should be noted I am the one who made that thread on Ksite, it wasn't a complaint about Tess being the new Chloe, more my stand that the show can get any character to do plot exposition. Basically I am just sick of all the show can't survive without {character X that isn't Clark} or {character X} is the heart of the show, vital for the show, etc type comments I see on various message boards. I've said many times before the show could have kept Pete instead of Chloe in S4 and I don't think they show would be much different, infact I argue it would be better in regards to Clark since they wouldn't have to pander Pete off to shipper audiences(heaven forbid they keep a character whose only purpose is to build up Clark's story).

On the subject of Plot Exposition, I really hope that they don't tun Tess into his one stop shop for Plot exposition, he would come off much better if they had a few people be that role. All that being said until Tess starts telling Clark how to act like a hero and running to the ends of the world to take pieces of kryptonite off of Clark, she not even close to Chloe in terms of annoying the hell out of me although I am guessing if the producers realize there is Cless shipper out there they will write her at the expense of Clark soon enough.
jeannev
Oct. 3rd, 2010 04:18 am (UTC)
I see where you are coming from, and I agree. I have said for a long time that this show can lost any character except Clark, and find a way to go on by just shifting the supporting pieces around. And I stand by that.

2 things have become something of a SV staple (or crutch, depending on how you see it). Someone being the plot exposition person, and someone sitting down at a computer, typing in a few things, and getting ludicrous amounts of information. Chloe was usually the person doing that, but with a few minor adjustments, someone else can easily occupy that role.
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(Anonymous)
Oct. 3rd, 2010 04:09 am (UTC)
Chloe's photo
Chloe placed the photo there so that Oliver would find the antidote and know that she was alive despite having taken the cyanide pill. Al also confirmed this in a tweet yesterday when someone asked if Chloe had left the picture there so that Oliver would know she was alive, and had a plan.
jeannev
Oct. 3rd, 2010 04:19 am (UTC)
Re: Chloe's photo
Ah, well OK. I wish someone had told Al that if he needs to explain it in tweets, the writing was probably not what it should've been.

It still seems a very odd choice to me.
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canadabear
Oct. 3rd, 2010 04:43 am (UTC)
I didn't have issue with Lois talking to Carter, because Lois never said who she was talking about. Carter was obviously easily able to put together she was talking about Clark and he's the one who brought Clark's name into it. Had he been anyone else not in the hero business, they wouldn't have had any idea what Lois was talking about or who, or that she was even being literal. Of course, I don't think Lois would have been going on about it if she didn't already know Carter was one of the good guys, whether he knew Clark or not.
jeannev
Oct. 3rd, 2010 04:54 am (UTC)
I don't really think she needed to say who she was talking about by name. She first mentions her relationship falling apart, rather randomly. Then she starts talking about the guy who sits across from her at work. I don't know, that seems rather specific to me. Or, maybe more specific then I think is prudent given the magnitude of Clark's secret.

But, as I said, I really had more problems with Carter discussing it then Lois. I think he should've respected Clark's decision, whether he agreed with it or not. And Clark's decision, up to this point (and believe me, I think its moronic) is that he doesn't want to tell Lois. Whether Lois says she knows or not, I think Carter should've just deflected.
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jeannev
Oct. 3rd, 2010 06:46 pm (UTC)
I've been thinking about the Lois/Carter stuff, and how it could've been more palatable for me, and I think if they had left Clark out of it directly. Have them speak of everything in hypotheticals for Lois. It might even be funny to see her trying to reword things to keep it non-specific. And Carter can talk about his lost love, of course. He can relay his story to Lois. And instead of someone telling Lois what her place should be, we could see Lois taking that story, and figuring out herself how that applies to her and Clark.

Clark would be the elephant in the room, and we could even know that Carter knows she knows, but isn't tipping off he knows...or knows she knows. I mean, since SV decided to play this stupid game this year, why not keep running with it?

Carter doesn't betray Clark's confidence, Lois keeps Clark secret, and the end result is the same. Voila!

This Cat may have been a bit silly, but she was pretty feisty. Her little move through the bus baggage thingie was pretty slick.

If Oliver had lashed out at Tess, I'd stll think he was a jerk, but it would be far more understandable. But why drag Clark into his pissy man whining? Like you said, when you bring someone into a conversation like that, it suggests that you have a problem with that person.

why miss an opportunity to be subtle when you can drive a point home with the finesse of a sledgehammer?

I believe that might be on a plaque, hanging in the SV writers room.
(Anonymous)
Oct. 3rd, 2010 08:21 am (UTC)
As great as Lazarus was, it was several steps forward and several steps backwards. Shield was many steps forward, especially for Clark and the others. Clark has grown, evolved, and matured in his scenes with Cat, Oliver, and Tess. His scenes with Cat are a delight to what his scenes with Clark and Chloe used to be in the first four seasons. He warmed up to her as she shown her true personality in the Talon. Despite Tess' good intentions, Clark still doesn't trust her after the last season. Notice that both Clark and Tess respect Chloe's decision while Oliver was on the other side wanting to search for her. Speaking of Oliver, the scene with he and Clark showed their differences with Lois and Chloe as well as on the idea of either going in public or hiding in the shadows. I'm starting to think that both Oliver and Chloe are foils to Clark than his friends and support.

The scenes between Lois and Hawkman parallel with the Hawkman/ Hawkgirl relationship with Clark and Lois'. However, this was a case of a lot of telling and not enough showing as we got brief flashback glimpses of Hawkgirl. They had little or no weight to them as to why their relationships parallel.

Even though Clark doesn't trust Tess, she's sticking up for him against Oliver and I've said that if Tess were to work with them, it may be a different dynamic where Clark and Tess are on one side while Oliver is on the other. With Chloe, it was she and Oliver on one side while Clark was on the other. Tess may not be Chloe and may not be the new Watchtower because that also belongs to Chloe, I think she should be the new Red Queen because that suits her more than Martha and she has history with Checkmate, along with being the head of LuthorCorp, two of those things Chloe doesn't have.

Oh, yes. I love Clark's new prototype suit in the end with the symbol emblazoned on it. It's the regular comics version of the symbol and not the Superman Returns one. The way he came out to the light was perfect. I'm not worried about the Supergirl episode because Clark had made his first public save in Lazarus and is wearing the symbol in Shield before Kara does. There's really no point in continuing with the Blur name and it would be regressing if he's called the Red-Blue Blur again. I want him to be called Superman and I can't wait to see him in action with the new prototype suit.

Vantheman77
shalimarfox80
Oct. 3rd, 2010 11:50 am (UTC)
Carter was in Egypt the last time we saw him, and Clark knew Lois was going there, as he was himself ready to fly to Cairo, so there’s no confusion as to how or why Clark asked Carter to keep an eye on Lois.
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carolandtom
Oct. 3rd, 2010 11:56 am (UTC)
A big WORD to everything you say above!

I loved the Clark/Cat scenes and I HATED the Oliver ones. I just can't stand the man. Why oh why do we have to have him on this show!

Thanks for the totals and for your deep thoughts! What a treat is to have someone like you, and a few other clever friends, writing SV reviews! You are invaluable, Val.
jeannev
Oct. 3rd, 2010 06:56 pm (UTC)
Thanks Carol :) You and I are so often on the same page. Thanks so much for the kind words. A lot of times, I feel like I'm floating on my own SV island, but it feels good to know that there are a few others island inhabitants who see SV similar to how I do.

Why oh why do we have to have him on this show!


I think its because "he's hot" and he's willing to take his shirt off a lot, and Justin seems like a very nice guy.

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shalimarfox80
Oct. 3rd, 2010 11:57 am (UTC)
arter/Lois scenes were one of the strongest points of the episode, and dare I say, will prove to be one of the strongest of the season. There was nothing ‘contrived’ about it. The conversation between these two characters laid the foundation for understanding why Lois fits into Clark’s life and why other women failed. Hawley did an amazing job of bringing home the fact that Lois is unlike any person who has ever learned Clark’s secret. She is the only one who didn’t go ‘Why the hell did Clark not share this with me? Why did he not trust me?’ instead, she goes ‘What does it feel like to be him?’ ‘What does it feel like to have that burden on your shoulders which he has?’ and finally ‘Am I good enough to be a part of his life’. One of the thousand or so reasons why Lois is the one for Clark, is because she tries to understand him. She’s not putting him on a pedestal, she doesn’t assume any responsibilities.

Also, As Lois mentions, she has been brought up by a man who believes in things that he can touch, or ‘blow up’. For her, finding out that the man she loves has these amazing abilities that human beings cannot even dream of, puts her in a very puzzling position. She’s very real in that sense that she hasn’t completely accepted the truth but she’s trying to.

Carter knows Clark very well and they’ve been working together even after the revival of JSA, as was evident in last year’s Salvation, so it’s not hard to believe that Clark could trust someone like Carter to keep an eye on Lois. And when he does so, Carter must have realized that this woman isn’t just any girlfriend but must mean a lot more to Clark if he’s worried that much about her.

When Carter realizes that Lois knows about Clark and that’s what drove her away from him, he does the most natural thing by letting her know that he knows what she’s talking about and that it was Clark who asked him to keep an eye on her. His own love and suffering makes it easy for him to understand that Lois means so much to Clark that her absence must be very painful for him and then everything he said to her, was aimed at letting her realized that she meant a lot to Clark, to help her evaluate her position in Clark’s life, and to re think her decision of staying in Africa, because let’s face it – as powerful as Clark is, even he needs love.

Continued in the next...
jeannev
Oct. 3rd, 2010 07:33 pm (UTC)
I don't really need to watch Lois and Carter have a conversation to understand why Lois fits into Clark's life. Personally, I'd prefer less talking, and more actually seeing it. But, I certainly don't begrudge Lois talking about it, I just didn't think this conversation between her, and a character she has never met before, knows very little about, and doesn't know much about the relationship he has with Clark, was the right way to go with it.

To my recollection, after both Lana and Chloe found out Clark's secret, they were both very understanding of Clark not telling them. I understand that Lois is handling this well, but I her reaction doesn't really strike as as so unique as to set her miles apart from other people in Clark's life. The only person that ever took it badly was Pete, and that only lasted for part of an episode.

I think you missed the part in my review where I said I understand why Lois is feeling the way she is, and I don't begrudge her those feelings in the slightest. Or her having to leave to get her head together. I just don't think she should be talking so openly about her relationship with Clark, and Clark's abilities, with someone she simply DOES NOT KNOW.

I don't think there's anything "natural" about Carter blurting out the secret. In fact, it felt entirely UNnatural to me that someone in the hero biz, who should have a creed about protecting confidences, just didn't.

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Oct. 3rd, 2010 11:58 am (UTC)
Continued from the previous...

Was it okay for Lois and Carter to be discussing Clark so openly? Off course it is. These are two people who know Clark’s two different sides, and they know these two different sides extremely well. Lois knows the man she has loved as a simple farm boy and a reporter. Carter knows the Blur/Superman. He knows the man behind the mask, and what he is capable of, and how lonely he has been. Lois has just found out about this other side, and she needs to discuss it with someone who knows what it is to be like in Clark’s shoes. Carter was the perfect choice to have that discussion with. And one must remember that these two aren’t just ‘any’ people. They are both very close to Clark in different ways.

As for Lois having information about the nature of Clark and Carter’s relationship – Clark asked Carter to keep an eye on Lois. Speaks volumes about the kind of relationship Carter and Clark must have. It must be an obvious conclusion for her that Carter is someone whom Clark really trusts and they’re great friends.

May I please ask, how can you say that Carter is well aware that Clark doesn’t ‘seem to want’ Lois to know? There was no indication from Clark in front of Carter ever that he doesn’t want to tell his girlfriend about him, nor did Carter indicate in his conversation with Lois that Clark didn’t want her to know. Also, what would have been ‘more palatable’ and how? And how was the conversation ‘not palatable’. I’m a bit confused.

Again, Carter isn’t discussing Clark’s secret with some reporter or some random friend of Clark’s. He’s discussing it with a woman whom he believes to be “Clark’s Shayera” and the only thing he wants is for Lois to return to Clark because he cannot go on without her. Clark isn’t just “Someone else” for Carter. He’s a dear friend, and Lois isn’t “somebody” either. As I said above, they’re people who are very close to Clark and very sincere to Clark. They’re the friends and people he needs.

Carter and Lois’s talk was aimed at helping Lois overcome her doubts and insecurities so she could bear the burden of knowing his secret, so she could share his life. I cannot for a moment doubt Carter’s sincerity when he opened his own heart to her, let her know about his personal loss, in order to make her understand. These are the two people who were not going behind Clark’s back, who were not scheming and doing things that they believed were right and things that Clark will never approve of. These are the two people who are very loyal to him. Lois is the woman who doesn’t even once question why Clark didn’t tell her his secret even while they were dating. No, the only question she asks “Do I fit into his life?” I believe we should give this woman the right to at least say out loud how conflicted she is feeling right now, and who better to say it to, than the man who knows so much about Clark?

Lois has a very important place in Clark’s life. She’s the one person who eventually shares Clark’s burden and makes so many sacrifices herself. Being in Clark’s place is not easy but being Lois Lane isn’t easy either. Her place and her evolution into the woman she becomes should also not be undermined in any way. Also, Carter has been a very good and a reliable friend to Clark, which unfortunately for Clark is a rare thing, so while he’s surrounded by backstabbers, I’m thankful that he has someone who sincerely helped him by sending the woman he loves back to him.
jeannev
Oct. 3rd, 2010 07:51 pm (UTC)
Was it okay for Lois and Carter to be discussing Clark so openly? Off course it is.

Could not disagree more. Not behind Clark's back. Not when Clark has decided (for some stupid reason) that he's still not ready for Lois to know. Thats especially applicable for Carter.

And the reality is that Carter and Clark have had very little interaction. Yes, they know each other. Yes, they've worked together. Yes, they are friendly. But I don't buy at all that Carter has developed some all-knowing insight into who Clark is, and what he needs. Deep meaningful relationships that develop almost totally off screen really don't resonate for me. Carter does not have years of insight into Clark. He doesn't even have one year of insight into Clark. He's not in any position to discuss Clark's secret with anyone outside of their hero group. Not even Clark's on/off girlfriend, not even if he thinks they belong together. Its not his place. Having a character thats been on the show twice before, and anointing him the great oracle and sage on Clark Kent and what he feels and needs feels entirely contrived to me.

I think its a simple conclusion that if Clark wanted Lois to know...then she'd know. I don't think Carter would need to be a genius to figure that out.

As I explained already, what made the conversation "not palatable" to me is that 1. I don't think Carter should've been openly discussing Clark's secret with a person that Clark hasn't told the secret to, and 2. I don't think Lois should be confiding all of this information about Clark to someone who she doesn't really know much about, to include his relationship with Clark. It seems a fairly simple issue to me.

Carter doesn't get to decide for Clark who gets to know more information about him, and who doesn't. No one gets to decide that as far as I'm concerned. Its great and all that Carter has decided that these 2 crazy kids belong together, but it doesn't give him carte blanche to discuss Clark's secret.

So, if these 2 people are not discussing Clark behind his back, then they're both going to tell him they had this discussion right away, right? If they aren't, then yeah, its behind his back.

than the man who knows so much about Clark?

Clark just met him last year. There's very little indication that they've been spending tons of time together. The presumption that Carter suddenly knows so much about Clark seems terribly contrived to me, and not at all believable.


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shalimarfox80
Oct. 3rd, 2010 12:18 pm (UTC)
I enjoyed Deadshot very much and unlike many, I enjoyed Cat Grant, so in that, I totally agree with you. I think the best part about this episode was the writing. The script was really good and well written. The dialogue was brilliant and unambiguous which is a rare thing for Smallville. Clark was amazingly well written and I actually loved Tess Mercer. For once, I wasn’t annoyed by her character but actually liked her. She’s better off as a semi-ally to Clark than “Which side is she on?” crap.

I like the fact that Cat Grant is not completely the bitchy version of her comic books/LnC self. She has a back story that makes her an emotional character and I didn’t mind it. I can’t wait for Lois to come back and interact with her. It would be comic gold.

Also, unlike some Clois fans, I have no complains over the fact that there was no Lois/Clark interaction in the episode. I was totally okay with it, because there was a lot of character development for the two characters I love most. They evaluated their relationship, pondered where they stood and in the end, showed that they both deeply love each other. Without having an interaction, so much was said. Loved it.

I agree with your analysis of Oliver, but then again, I think that there’s nothing that can make me like Oliver now. Hooking him up with Chloe was the death of this character. I miss the S6 Oliver which was the best Oliver Queen we had. I wish we get him back but alas, there’s no chance now. He’s upset over his ‘girlfriend’ missing? Fine, he has every right to be upset but I just didn’t get why he had to play the blame game constantly. I guess Chloe is rubbing off on him. What else can I say?

The ‘letter’ was ridiculous by the way. Oh, and does that automatically mean that Chloe is the iconic Dinah Lance?

I agree on the Clark/Tess part as well. I liked their team up and it was more enjoyable because Welling and Freeman have such an easy and natural chemistry. Plus, the whole sequence felt natural and there was basis to it. Even if Tess was used as an exposition character, it didn’t feel contrived because she had been working for Checkmate in the past, so it made sense that she would get all the information and so quickly. For the record, I don’t mind if Tess replaces Chloe as the exposition character. I’ll enjoy Tess a lot more in that role.

I don’t think that ‘coming out and show your face to the world’ is an exclusive or a huge Clark thing that if taken away from him would be a huge no-no. Clark shows his face to the world as Superman but let’s not forget that if he’s not wearing a mask as Superman, he’s wearing a mask as Clark Kent, i.e., the glasses. It’s not something that he exclusively did. He has still kept his identity hidden from the world so his motto isn’t ‘show your face to everyone’ either. Ollie still steps out in mask, but Clark didn’t, even as the Blur nor now in his new suit. It’s not an iconic thing for him so it really doesn’t matter who says or does it first.
jeannev
Oct. 3rd, 2010 07:56 pm (UTC)
He’s upset over his ‘girlfriend’ missing? Fine, he has every right to be upset but I just didn’t get why he had to play the blame game constantly.

Thats where I'm at with Oliver. Everytime he's pissy about something, he has to lash out like a child, and I find it boring and irritating.

I'm really not entirely sure why Souders/Peterson felt like they needed to go so overboard with the Chlollie. It still feels like gigantic pandering to me. But its clear that they know keep feeling like they need to push it so everyone will believe in their great love. I don't respond well to too much pushing, and that goes for any relationship. Telling is important too, but showing is more important. There was precious little show in Chlollie.

It’s not an iconic thing for him so it really doesn’t matter who says or does it first

It matters to me.
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