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Unpopular Opinions, the Smallville verson

Sometimes, weird questions just pop into my mind when it comes to SV.  I don't know what it is about this show that inspires me so.

Anyway, I used to belong to a board about another show, and every so often the "Unpopular Opinions" thread would pop up.  And it was sort of fun to see so many people coming out of the closet with opinions they felt were pretty out there (and finding lots of people who felt the same).

Now, here are the guidelines....by saying "unpopular", its referring to SV fandom in general, as you've experianced it.  And I want you to come up with between 3 and 5.  Also, this is not a Debate Thread.  Meaning, no asking anyone for clarification, or justification, and basically no disagreeing.  Its an unpopular opinion thread, so I think going in we are all well aware that the opinions expressed might have people who vehemently disagree with them.  And thats OK, but I'm trying to create a free zone for this thread. 

I'll start:

1.  I don't think Clark was a bad friend to Lex
2. I don't think there is some great disparity amongst the SV actors as far as acting talent, with the possible exception of John Glover.  And I think Tom was pretty spot-on in S1.
3.  I like season 4
4. I think the idea that Clark had some sort of idyllic, perfect upbringing because his parents loved him is a fallacy.  I also think Jonathan and Martha had many failings as parents
5.  I think the idea that the character of Chloe has been terribly abused by this show does NOT stand up to the show canon.

Wow, I could do about 25 of these, easy.  LOL

Anyone else want to try?  Remember, its a safe zone. :)

ETA:  Just a note.  Many of my replies on this thread seem to have disappeared, for reasons only Live Journal would know.  So, if you thought you saw a post from me, and now its gone, thats why.  I have no freaking clue what happened.


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Aug. 5th, 2010 02:53 am (UTC)
Ok I'll give it a shot also I need to get off the computer.

1. I don't get the point of the Green Arrow. He's basically Batman-lite a label he finally shed in the comics after many years of being that. Unfortunately on SV that's what he is again.

2. Chloe for me is character that long ago lost her usefulness. I think the writers love her so much that they sacrifice other characters storylines forgetting that she's frankly not that important.

3.As much as I loved Lex on SV I think that people forget that Lex is obsessed with Superman (Clark) and not the other way around. Frankly I can make this same complaint for the movies as well. Yeah Superman is much more than Lex Luthor's nemesis.

4.Speaking of which I think Lex was always shady he just tempered it at times with some good deed. But the man always had an agenda.
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Aug. 5th, 2010 02:56 am (UTC)
While I'm trying to think of some of my own I just want to say that I TOTALLY agree with all five of your unpopular opinions. In fact, I think S4 is the season I've re-watched the most besides S1.
Aug. 5th, 2010 02:57 am (UTC)
I think Lex made his own choice to go down the dark route, and no amount of concessions from Clark could have saved him

I think Chloe and Lex were damn lucky Clark decided to try and mend his friendships with in season 4 instead of turning them into a pair of matching cufflinks.

I don't think that Chloe was abused by the show, it's called character developement people.

Not everyone gets a happy ending with a white knight to ride of with into the sunset. It's not deserved either.

At the beginning the only actors who stood to me where John Glover, John Schneider, Annette, and Michael, everyone else is about the same level

I think Smallville has actually done a fantastics job of dealing with the post Crisis idea that "Clark" is the real person and "Superman" is the disguise.
Aug. 5th, 2010 03:01 am (UTC)
Totally agree with all five, especially #1 and #4. Really #4.

Really strange unpopular opinion to come from me, given that I write Clex almost exclusively:

I truly don't believe that canon!Lex and canon!Clark could make it work as either friends or lovers over the long term.

(It's why I write AU pretty much exclusively.)
Aug. 5th, 2010 03:16 am (UTC)
1, 2, 4, 5 *nods like an over eager puppy* Totally there with you!

Hmm don't really hang round SV central enough to know which opinions are unpopular buuuut 1. I think Chloe was out of order concerning most things Clark during the first couple of seasons

2. I don't think they should have brought Lois Lane onto the show *ducks head*

3. I watch the Clark/Lex friendship on screen and I don't see anything near a proper stable relationship. I don't understand how people can say they were so close when we only caught glimpses of friendship. 99% of the show was dedicated to them rescuing/lying/accusing/pushing (over and over and over) each other.

...running away now.

Aug. 5th, 2010 03:27 am (UTC)
*waves* here via friendsfriends

I agree with all of your points. How refreshing! Also adding my own:

I like Lois and Lana and Chloe. Liking any one of them is not mutually exclusive to liking anyone else.

There are no light-switches for any of the characters. It’s all in the details, even the small ones.

Just because SV gets a lot wrong, that doesn’t mean it gets everything wrong. Sometimes, it does things right too.
Aug. 7th, 2010 07:37 am (UTC)
I like the idea of no light switches. I also like the reminder that sometimes SV gets things right.
Aug. 5th, 2010 03:31 am (UTC)
- I like Chloe and Lois equally. And I like Lana in S7, especially in Wrath & Siren.
- For me, the earlier seasons are better than the latter seasons
- if Michael returns, a Lex-with-Hair is fine by me.
- I want Clark to kiss Tess in S10. Don't care how or why this happens.
- I am happy Kara is returning but indifferent to seeing Jonathan again.

Aug. 5th, 2010 03:32 am (UTC)
Okay, since unpopular opinions are welcome and I won't get skewered, LOL:

1. I don't think Lex consciously chose to go down a dark path at all. I think it was a combination of a lifetime of people telling him that he had darkness in him (even Lillian said that!) and his meteor psychosis finally kicking in, because the Lex I saw in the early seasons, while shaded, was not the uber-dark Lex of later seasons, and I blame him losing his mind in the SV 'verse.

2. Both Clark and Lex were responsible for the friendship disintegrating. Both made mistakes.

3. Jonathan and Martha weren't perfect parents, but their paranoia was understandable. In SV, if they'd disappeared due to the Government (or Lionel) swooping in and taking Clark to become a lab rat, who would have noticed in Smallville? There was real danger in Clark's secret getting out, and unfortunately that damaged Clark and kept the Kents in constant protective mode that even early-season Lex couldn't breach.

4. Jonathan's hostility toward Lex is understandable. Lionel was not to be trusted on any level and knew too much about their secret. How could his son be trusted? Narrow thinking but I can see where Jonathan was coming from.

Aug. 7th, 2010 07:38 am (UTC)
I agree with #3 and #4. Martha and Jonathan weren't perfect. But they loved Clark unconditionally and did their best.
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Aug. 5th, 2010 10:39 pm (UTC)
I totally agree with #4, even though I shipped Chlark at one point. And I further think that Tom's acting is what made that so clear, because while Clark and Chloe had no romantic chemistry onscreen (IMO), Clark-as-Lionel and Chloe had genuine heat.
Aug. 5th, 2010 04:00 am (UTC)
What a great idea. I find myself wanting to reply to a lot of people, just sayin 'word!'

1- I think the majority of Season 3 is boring

2 - I like the evolution Clark has taken over the years, even if his stalling midway frustrates me, a part realizes that it's something that's not uncommon.

3 - I liked the CLois in Pandora but a niggling voice in my brain is miffed that Lois will never remember the real first time they slept together.

4 - Tom & Kristen made the final loft scene in Requirem beautiful and moving; enough that I want Lana back for proper resolution.

5 - I still like Chloe and want her in Clark's (& Lois') life.
Aug. 5th, 2010 05:46 am (UTC)
I agree with all your points, especially 4. How people cannot see this is beyond me. It also strongly relates to #1. Clark tried to be a good friend to Lex, but Lex could make that very difficult at times and eventually started tuning out Clark's warnings. From Lex's POV, Clark always had it easy and was asking for too much from him.

1. Although I have liked Chloe at various points in time, I'm just as happy that her role in S10 will be limited

2. There was too much Lois in S9, especially in the first half. I tend to agree with a point I think you made that the whole future travel - flashback idea was nothing more than a way around the Clois sex ban.

3. Lana had her moments and Clana made sense to me right up until mid S7, There unfortunatly the show failed to deliver on the groundwork they'd laid about them not being suitable for each other in so many ways.

4. Although Gough-Millar were pretty poor producers in the sense of keeping their writers focussed on consistent storytelling, they did a great job casting and in their own stories were pretty darned amazing.

5. Not sure if this is all that unpopular (here at least), but I think Ollie is a waste as a season regular, while Chlollie bores me to tears when it doesn't make me want to vomit. I fail to see the amazing chemistry that the producers referred to in a couple of Comic Con interviews.

And as a few other people have mentioned, I refuse to choose between Chloe and Lois and Lana for that matter. They've all had their good episodes and their bad. If I currently like Lois more than the others, its more that I like the way Clark is allowed to behave in her presence than because of any inherent superiority - much less canon.
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Aug. 5th, 2010 07:36 am (UTC)
Let me start by saying I agree with all of your opinions. I know you won't agree with all of mine. :)

1) I thought the dance between Clark and Lana in Spirit was the perfect way to end that episode, and it is one of my favorite scenes of the series.

2) I think Clark was right to keep his secret from Lex, Lana, and Chloe. In the end, knowing brought out in each of them the weakness that would destroy what they shared with Clark.

3) I never liked Pete.

4) I loved every minute of Oliver Queen in S6.

5) I like the comedy between Clark and Lois better than the romance, I'd rather watch them work together than make out, and I wish the Clois Future!Sex had never happened.
Aug. 5th, 2010 04:52 pm (UTC)
You know I'm just going through and reading everyone's opinions, lol.

But I absoLUTEly agree with #2. I hated that they felt that he owed them his secret, and that they made him feel guilty about it. I wrote an entire convulted fanfic about the ramifications of Lex learning the secret in the early seasons, when he was still semi-decent.

I...also never liked Pete, and I hate that I didn't like Pete for the same reasons why female viewers feel bad for not liking female characters, I really wanted to like the one brother on the show, but...it didn't work for me. I do like Victor though and I LOOOOVE J'onn J'onnz, so I feel like I made my penance, lol.
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Aug. 5th, 2010 11:12 am (UTC)
  • I like Oliver Queen on Smallville. From the moment that he showed up with his sly comments and his hatred for Lex and his tight Green Arrow costume and his missing shirts, I liked him. I like that he doesn't always agree with Clark and that he makes Clark earn his leadership role. I like a friendship between Clark and Ollie that requires re-negotiations in the wake of failures and missed opportunities and different goals and tactics.

  • As for Clark's friendships, Lex Luthor was Trouble with a Capital T from the moment he opened the door to his Porche and eased his black clad frame into Smallville in the Pilot. Remember the Westerns and Kurosawa's samurais? Lex could have been wearing silver spurs and a silver notched gun belt with a Blue Steel Magnum ready for the draw in that Creamed Corn Parking Lot.
    All that talk about a Friendship for the Ages was on Lex's side. Clark never glorified his relationship with Lex, he just liked him and tried to be a good friend. And whether Lex was trying to convince himself that he was capable of being a friend or trying to fool Clark, I don't know. But I do know from Reunion, that Lex had no understanding of what friendship was or what responsibilities it entailed. Lex was a sociopath.

  • Uh oh, with that last sentence, I'll bet that I have really voiced an unpopular opinion.

    And just to be really annoying, one of these days I am going to post on Wrath, Power, and Requiem and why they are good episodes that really show an estimable Lana.

    Aug. 7th, 2010 07:48 am (UTC)
    Re: Unpopular!
    I like Oliver Queen too! And his chest! He's so irreverent. Though his trip to the depressed side probably lasted too long.

    Oooh I love your description of Lex dismounting... erm... exiting his Porsche. Enter the VILLAIN all in black.

    You must explain to me the Lana arc of super suit Lana fu! I await these posts.

    Oooh a sip of tea never seemed so sinister!

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    Aug. 5th, 2010 12:13 pm (UTC)
    1. I don't want to see Batman on the show.

    2. I don't want to see Clark flying or wearing the suit.

    3. I like Sleeper. It's not the greatest episode ever, but I love spy stories and stuff like that.

    4. The 2nd half of Season 8 is better than the first half.

    5. I don't see any chemistry whatsoever between Clark and Lois, and the focus on Lois/Clois ruined Season 9.
    Aug. 5th, 2010 01:10 pm (UTC)
    1. I wish Lois didn't come on the show until Clark and Lana had decided (each of them) that it was time to move on. The way they ended Clana sort of cheapens Clois for me because she will never be his first choice. Clark and Lana can't be together, not because they grew up and decided it was time to move on.

    2. I hated that they brought on fake!Lex.

    3. I wish Chloe had left years ago - she gets on my nerves the way she treats Clark.

    4. I hated the way they shoved romantic!Clois down my throat right after Lana left. Yes, we all know who he ends up with but to me it cheapened it even more.
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