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Warrior Screentimes, and Deep Thoughts


After last week, I really questioned whether I wanted to do anymore in-depth reviews.  I just felt so disappointed, and so detached from "the herd", so to speak, that I wondered if doing this was really any fun anymore.  But then, a funny thing happened.  I printed a non-review, and my amazing flist still made a conversation out of it.  I LOVE you guys.  I love that so many of you feel like you can come here and talk, and say what you like.  Its a great feeling to know you created a place where people can feel at-home enough to comment, even when you've said nothing of substance.  So *kisses* all around.

Oh, and BTW, I liked Warrior, which is also why I'm inspired to post a review.  Kudos to Allison Mack.  I thought she did a fine job.

First, we make with the Totals:

Warrior, running time :  41m, 44s

Clark:  21m, 57s
Chloe:  15m, 39s
Lois:  11m, 28s
Oliver:  2m, 9s

Zatanna:  10m, 53s
Alec:  5m, 6s
Stephen:  10m, 36s

Season to Date Totals:

Clark:  234m, 52s (13)
Chloe:  117m, 32s (13)
Lois:  184m, 14s (11)
Oliver:  122m, 42s (11)
Tess:  50m, 41s (8)
Zod:  48m, 38s (6)

So much for Zod being in 16 eps this season.

As for actual reviewing though, that goes


I had to make sure to avoid embarassing typos on that cut.  LOL

So, like I said, I liked Warrior.  I thought it was cute, and fun, and a bit sweet.  I thought the guest actors did a really wonderful job, especially. 

I think one of the things I liked most about this episode was the amount of insight we got into Clark.  As someone who has been complaining all season long about the lack of POV he has, I felt like I got plenty of it in this episode (not enough to make up for what was lacking this season, but still a lot).  I've seen people complain that Clark is too serious, too stoic this season, and I believe this episode addressed that issue head-on.  This episode finally got back to a storyline thats been more or less dropped earlier in the season....how Clark is balancing out the 2 sides of his life.  There is no doubt that he wants to fully engage in his relationship with Lois, but at the same time, he's holding himself back from completely giving in.  Which I think is perfectly appropriate.  He has a very, very complicated life, to say the least.  And he doesn't have a great track record.  A concern that Lois has about herself as well.

But, there were some lines in this episode I really liked, because it really brings to light how serious Clark is about this life direction.

"The reality of being a hero is about sacrifice, responsibility and accountability"

Wow, those are some heady words from our Clark.  They sure sounds - dare I say it? - like Superman!

I don't mind at all when we see Clark not quite have the balance down yet.  This week, he was too obsessed with his hero side (and dealing with Zatanna, Hee!) to really be playful and fun with Lois.  And I'm sure some 'shippers will tear him apart for that, which, *Yawn!*  But to me, isn't that what we should be seeing from Clark?  That not every week is he going to get that balance right.  Some weeks, he might be more All About Lois then he really should (and in fact, I'd say we've already seen that).  And then some weeks, he's going to be a bit distracted and preoccupied when dealing with her.  Because its about achieving that balance, and there's no way Clark should have that down already.  I'd rather see the process on screen, and I thought this episode did a great job of putting it there.

To me, this ep felt like it had Co-A plots, which is not something I say often.  But Clark's part of the story felt just as prominent as Chloe's, and I applaude the show when it gets that ratio right.  Its one of the reasons Disciple was a far more enjoyable Oliver episode for me then Roulette. 

I haven't liked Chloe much lately, but here, I found her very touching.  The time she spent with Stephen seemed to tap into the old Chloe, who could still be full of wonder, still get butterflies in her stomach over a hero, and who could stilll have a good time and smile.  It was nice to see.  I think its one of the reasons that the only scene in this episode I really disliked was the last scene between Chloe and Oliver.  It was depressing to see her walk back into that dark Watchtower, to the equally as cynical Oliver, then pour herself a scotch, and just go back to the cold, remote Chloe we've had this season.  I don't really enjoy her like this, and it seems to me that this potential Chloe/Oliver pairing feeds on both of their worst tendencies.  Both of these characters have issues to me, and their couplings seem to have more potential for bad, then good.

But really, I wouldn't wish Oliver on any female character.  Sure, he's hot, but he's also a dick who hasnt really treated women very well, has he?

I thought guest star Carlo Marks gave a really wonderful performance.  He totally captured childlike glee without coming off as "simple".  He never seemed to overdue it, and it would've been so easy to fall off the edge.

I also got a huge kick out of Lois this week.  There's no disputing that S9 has featured a LOT of Lois.  And really, she does have a good amount of screentime here.  But this week, I felt Lois was a bit more in the B plot seat, and I thought it was a good thing for the show, and for her.  She came across as really charming, I thought.  I know her kissing Jeff the intern at the end seemed to outrage some people but I laughed out loud.  Not only for her doing it, but for Clark's reaction.  And the fact that he just kept on with his apology after it.

In fact, that last scene between Clark and Lois was one of my favorites of the season.  I like them being more open and honest with each other over their insecurities.  I loved Clark's apologetic gesture.  I loved that Lois didn't have a meltdown because Clark was kissed by a hot woman (and I think Lois Lane is going to NEED that quality, because Clark/Superman is going to wanted by many hotties!).  I just love when Lois says "You hate costumes" and Clark just says "Yes". 

Another scene I loved was the barn loft scene between Clark and Alec.  Again, I've seen complaints about Clark letting Alec see his face, but I'm not sure it could really be avoided, and once he saw him, I think it made more sense for Clark to talk to him a bit.  On this show, I think you just have to roll with that, because there are so many people who have seen Clark by now (including the bad guy he beaned with the can in the beginning of the ep).  For one thing, Tom Welling is just magnificent with child actors.  I don't know what it is.  I don't know what he taps into.  But he just exudes this warmth in those scenes, and they are among my favorites in all of SV.  And I loved what Clark had to say to Alec.  Again, giving us this terrific insight into Clark, and what he's feeling and thinking.  I loved it.

"The test of a true hero is not letting the sadness and the lonliness take over"

Thats an insight I believe it hard won for Clark. 

"Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should"

"I do it because I want to help people...like you. Not because I have to do it, but because I choose to"

That last line made me smile ear-to-ear.  So much of this show has been about people pushing and prodding Clark to his destiny.  To hear him speak about choice means a lot to me.

Now, I guess the big controversial point of this episode is Zatanna.  And her, more or less, giving Clark a bit of a magical roofie to get him to indulge in a little fantasy.  Right off the bat, let me say that I think Zatanna was dead wrong.  But I also didn't feel like there was a malicious intent here, and I think that takes the edge off for me.  For one thing, my impressions of Zatanna from Hex were that she was a bit of a morally ambigious individual.  Look at her actions in Hex, with her mind whammying people who crossed her path just because.  And she also strikes me a bit as a temptress.  I don't know if this flies in the face of who Zatanna is in the comics, but I do know that her characterization felt consistent to me.

So, keeping that in mind, I think Zatanna was feeling a bit lonely and isolated with her particular lifestyle, saw a kindred spirit in Clark (and a Hot one at that), and thought she'd help him indulge in a bit of harmless fantasy.  But Clark isn't wired like that.  He isn't morally ambigious, and he doesn't indulge in one-nighters and flings, so he quickly broke out of the spell.  And honestly, I think that made Zatanna all the more intrigued with him.

And I'll be honest, I like hot woman crushing on Clark.  Because he's amazing, and he's gorgeous, and he's sexy.  And why wouldn't Zatanna want him?  Should she have had more respect for Lois, and Clark's relationship with her?  OF COURSE! But something tells me Zatanna doesn't bother herself much with the mere mortals.  In the end though, she conceded that she wasn't Clark's fantasy.  Lois is.  As for Clark, I think he'll always fumble a bit on how to handle the hot girls wanting a piece of him.  I find it endearing.

Should Clark have been more outraged?  Maybe, but I think he was pretty much in character.  This is a guy that got over someone shooting him in the back with a kryptonite arrow, and someone spying on his house.  This is a guy that forgave Alicia, and went back to dating her.  I think he felt like he set Zatanna straight, and they still needed to work together, and I think he knows she isn't a bad person.  Just naughty!  Frankly, I think SV needs more naughty girls.  They're fun.

So, anyway, thats my take on it.

It helps that TW and SS were very good together.  And it helps that I loved that Clark got the major interaction with the DC guest star this time around.

Now, one negative I will agree with....I'm not sure this episode felt like it fit into current continuity.  I think all the playing around with episode order took a toll here.  Clark acting the way he did with Lois in Discplie would've been fitting after this episode took place.  Oliver too would've felt in character.  But I'm not sure the Chloe stuff in this ep would've worked after Disciple.

And AJ just feels like a bubble episode to me.

Also, can we stop having all these other people fly?

Other random things:

I thought Lois looked adorable as a Stormtropper, but the other outfit (and hideous hairdo) left me cold.

Clark's save of Chloe was super cool.

I loved seeing the loft again.  I missed it.

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Comments

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christina_kat
Feb. 13th, 2010 06:33 pm (UTC)
CLAPS! Your review is amazing and I agree with EVERYTHING you just said. Well, I enjoyed Chloe and Oliver a little more actually but I'm not sure why. I've never pictured the two of them together before.

//Not only for her doing it, but for Clark's reaction. And the fact that he just kept on with his apology after it.//

LOL He just didn't have a choice. I loved his voice there. He was so annoyed but tried to hide it.

Clark and Zatanna?? THEY WERE SO FREAKING HOT! SV does need more naughty girls.

//Clark's save of Chloe was super cool.//

I loved that moment, too. I need a capture of that soon.
jeannev
Feb. 13th, 2010 11:56 pm (UTC)
Why, thank you. It feels rather strange to me to be feeling pretty positive about an ep, and be in the minority. This generally happens to me once or twice a season (last year, it was Turbulence, in S6, Subterranean).

I think Tom has a lot of chemistry with a lot of his female co-stars. So, I guess I enjoy watching that dynamic play out. Its fun to be able to see him mix it up with someone new every now and again.
svfan01
Feb. 13th, 2010 06:49 pm (UTC)
I liked the episode overall but I am one of those that had slight problems with Zantana. I personally don't think she came off that great in the episode, but looking at it positively I think Clark got a positive rub out of her negative actions(which usually isn't the norm for Clark who usually gets negative rubs to build up female characters on the show)

My only other issue might be that it just seemed wierd that Clois were somewhat distant in the episode. There was nothing in Disciple or Absolute Justice to build up why they were like how they were in Warrior. I am curious if this episode might make more sense if it was aired after Persuasion or Conspiracy(both going by spoilers which might have reason for Clark to distance himself) like it originally was set to air before AJ became a 2 hour movie.

On another note I am not a Chloe fan but hopefully with her average screentime higher then every season other then S6+8, I won't see Chloe fans bitch how this season sucks because Chloe is not getting enough screentime anymore(going by that logic every other season besides 6 + 8 should suck more)
jeannev
Feb. 14th, 2010 12:03 am (UTC)
I guess my expectations of Zatanna were just different from some others. I thought she was a shady character the first time around. And sometimes, shady characters make fun allies.

See, I think for me, I don't really see Clois as that close yet, so I guess they didn't seem that distant in this episode to me. In Disciple, Lois was actually counting PDA's, and she acted like brushing her hand on his shoulder was some big deal (as did Clark). Here, she obviously feels close enough to Clark to have him go into her apartment, and look through her closet, and Clark does it. To me, that suggests some level of closeness.

But, I guess the real issue is Clark's line about keeping Lois at a distance, and I agree that this line didn't quite fit, and needed some expanation. It actually makes more sense to me that he would be like this then be all gung-ho, like he was at the end of Pandora and in Disciple. So, I guess I went easy on the continuity.

Truth be told, I think there is a select group of Chloe fans that simply cannot be pleased unless they kill Lois, have Chloe go back to reporting, have Clark declare his undying love for her, and pretty much have the show renamed Chloeville. So, no, I don't expect they'll stop complaining about the screentime. But Chloe fans who just wanted to see her a bit more will be pleased, and I'm happy for them.
svfan01
Feb. 14th, 2010 12:46 am (UTC)
"Truth be told, I think there is a select group of Chloe fans that simply cannot be pleased unless they kill Lois, have Chloe go back to reporting, have Clark declare his undying love for her, and pretty much have the show renamed Chloeville. So, no, I don't expect they'll stop complaining about the screentime. But Chloe fans who just wanted to see her a bit more will be pleased, and I'm happy for them"

Lol quoted for truth, but still they really can't make that arguement anymore(about lack of screentime) so that has to be a good thing. I don't think I would be as annoyed if I didn't go to twitter or some spoiler comment sections and see it pop up 100 times(usually followed by the Lois is a....(fill in the 4-5 negative exagerations about her character) comments).

I do feel sorry for the normal(much less vocal) Chloe fans at times that get caught in the crossfire
tasabian
Feb. 13th, 2010 07:08 pm (UTC)
She came across as really charming, I thought. I know her kissing Jeff the intern at the end seemed to outrage some people but I laughed out loud. Not only for her doing it, but for Clark's reaction. And the fact that he just kept on with his apology after it.
What makes that scene work so well is that Jeff-the-intern is so unimpressed & Clark barely blinks! Perfect timing & performances from all three actors.

For one thing, my impressions of Zatanna from Hex were that she was a bit of a morally ambigious individual. Look at her actions in Hex, with her mind whammying people who crossed her path just because. And she also strikes me a bit as a temptress. I don't know if this flies in the face of who Zatanna is in the comics, but I do know that her characterization felt consistent to me.
Heh, why does every guest star have to adhere to a high moral code? Bring on the naughty hotties, the Alicias, the Maximas, the Zatannas! Would love for Zee to come back & try her luck again.

And I'll be honest, I like hot woman crushing on Clark. Because he's amazing, and he's gorgeous, and he's sexy. And why wouldn't Zatanna want him?
Exactly! Every gal in the League (and half the guys) want to get their hands all over Supes!

That last line made me smile ear-to-ear. So much of this show has been about people pushing and prodding Clark to his destiny. To hear him speak about choice means a lot to me.
Tom's delivery was perfect - a little halting, like he was just thinking his feelings out.
svfan01
Feb. 13th, 2010 08:06 pm (UTC)
"Heh, why does every guest star have to adhere to a high moral code? Bring on the naughty hotties, the Alicias, the Maximas, the Zatannas! Would love for Zee to come back & try her luck again."

I think Alicia, Maxima and I will add Simone tot he list were not ment to be seen in a good light as good people. By lumping Zantana into that group of people you are saying her character is at there level morally. If they ever want to do somebody comes for Clark to try get him in bed bringing back Maxima would make way more sense then Zantana
tasabian
Feb. 14th, 2010 12:07 am (UTC)
By lumping Zantana into that group of people you are saying her character is at there level morally. If they ever want to do somebody comes for Clark to try get him in bed bringing back Maxima would make way more sense then Zantana
In her comics incarnation, Zatanna has a morally ambiguous history. When Batman disapproves of one her actions, she mind-wipes him! She's a powerful magician - not quite a hero, not quite a villain, in the grey area in between.

I am completely on board with Maxima returning. I think Clark should kiss as many hot ladies as possible!
jeannev
Feb. 14th, 2010 12:05 am (UTC)
I don't know why we expect guest stars to have a high moral code when there are some regulars that are very grey around the edges.

As far as I'm concerned, both Zatanna and Maxima are welcome to come back and give it another try. But heavier on the powers of seduction, lighter on the magic roofies.
(Anonymous)
Feb. 13th, 2010 07:16 pm (UTC)
Bryan Miller was able to do what the other SV writers wouldn't and that's to get into Clark's viewpoint and bring back the storyline of him balancing his superhero life and his relationship with Lois. It's clear that he writes for Clark, Lois, and Clois. His Chloe was pretty inconsistent that for her to be watching over her heroes a lot, she was too quick to trust Warrior Angel. Her relationship with Clark
continues to strain, but I'm hoping Persuasion will address that. I'm glad Clark got the most screentime. Zatanna was used better in this episode than she was in Hex.
jeannev
Feb. 14th, 2010 12:07 am (UTC)
I give BQM props for figuring out a way for Clark to verbalize his POV a bit. I've said all along that it could happen if the show wanted it to, and they wrote for it.

I get the feeling that what we were supposed to be seeing with Chloe was a revisiting of the wonder and awe she used to feel around heroes. Stephen's childlike glee was infectious, and Chloe got caught up in it.

Clark should have the most screentime every week. Thats my story, and I'm sticking to it.
(Anonymous)
Feb. 14th, 2010 12:43 am (UTC)
I agree that Clark should have the most screentime every week because he's the main character of the show. This is why I feel the second half is going to be stronger than the first half of the season. When you start off a season that's not Clark-centric, it carries on through like the first half.
eeyore1017
Feb. 13th, 2010 07:50 pm (UTC)
It seems like people are split on the Zatanna thing. Either they're loving the hotness or calling her a rapist (at least 1 person on Twitter did just that). I think that's a little extreme, but different strokes and all...

In my opinion, was the make-out scene just an excuse to see Tom & an actress engage in hotness? Yes. That doesn't mean I didn't enjoy it though! I think Zatanna did it because she wanted a taste of Clark for herself AND she was trying to get him to give in to fantasy or whatever so he could be more open to his relationship with Lois.

I was curious to see what your opinion would be on Zatanna because I know that you are very anti-Simone from Hypnotic and her whole mind-whammy thing.

I also loved all of the moments where we got to hear what Clark was thinking and feeling. And of course, I loved his scene with Alec in the loft. So cute! Tom must be the greatest uncle ever!!!

In some ways, I thought Warrior fit fine into the continuity, and in other ways I thought it was out of place. Oh well, I guess we'll never know how it was "really" supposed to play out...

The last scene with Chloe & Oliver did seem too dark to fit in with the rest of the episode. I'm kind of indifferent to Chlollie, but I find myself enjoying it just because it puts Justin's hotness/charm on display. That's the shallow part of me though. :-)

Thanks as always for the screen time minutes!

I would love to read a new interview with Serinda Swan. I wonder why she didn't do any press?
jeannev
Feb. 14th, 2010 12:11 am (UTC)
I have a lot of problems with the word "rapist" being thrown around so casually. Its a pet peeve of mine.

I think the reason that Simone feels so differently to me was that 1. She was evil, and a murderess, and 2. She was sent by the villian, Lex, to violate Clark, and 3. Clark was completely without the ability to resist. Compare that with Zatanna, where 1. She's not evil, 2. She's not doing anyone biding, and 3. She obviously didn't whammy him too hard since he broke the spell pretty easily.

Both wrong, but the levels of wrong are worlds apart.

Tom + children = Love, and exploding ovaries.

I was disappointed Serinda didn't do any press. I would've liked to hear what she had to say.
carolandtom
Feb. 13th, 2010 08:09 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the totals! I'm so glad Clark had the most screen time! I was worried the WA sstoryline would sideline him again. I hope the writers understand that everything works better when Clark is at the core of it!

I liked Zatanna. I have no problems with morals codes here. I understand why she did what she did and I think Clark's reaction was perfect. And at last a DCU character who had a lot of interaction with the main character on the show!

Of course I loved Clark with the kid. Tom always does wonders with those scenes.

Also, can we stop having all these other people fly?

Yes, please! That flight really irked me. Everybody and their neighbour flying when Clark doesn't is annoying and frustrating. And here it wasn't necessary at all!

I found Chloe's reaction to the new hero quite OOC. She's friends with a hero who's been doing those awesome things for years and has saved her life countless times. I don't understand why she would be so in awe of the new guy.

The Chloe/Oliver scene was depressing, IMO. I was sorry the episode ended on that note.

I too loved the barn scene! Here I could get a glimpse of the show I used to love! It was wonderful to know Clark's POV for once. I'm glad there's a writer who's not afraid to write for him.

Thanks for the awesome review!

jeannev
Feb. 14th, 2010 12:14 am (UTC)
Clark felt prominent, and A plot, to me in this episode. This episode is a good example of a supporting character getting the spotlight, but Clark not being out of it at all.

Tom is just magical with children. I have no idea what it is. He just knows precisely how to play those scenes. They are never condescending or patronizing. Its like he just knows how to talk to children. It reminds me of the fact that one of the little kids from CBTD named Tom as his best friend on the CBTD set. How cute is that?

Like I said above, I think Chloe's reaction was supposed to be a callback to a time when Chloe could still be in wonder and awe with a hero. Basically, it took us back to a happier Chloe.

And you're welcome. It was nice to have so much positive to say.
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jeannev
Feb. 14th, 2010 12:15 am (UTC)
Your English was great!

I also thought this ep was far better the Roulette, and a far bit better then Disciple. Just for the Clark POV alone...

And I loved the funny this ep brought.
twdiva
Feb. 13th, 2010 09:13 pm (UTC)
Your point about current continuity, particularly in regards to Clark's feelings about his relationship with Lois, was the only real negative of the episode for me. When Clark was talking about keeping Lois at arm's length, it actually took me out of the episode for the next couple of minutes because I was too busy trying to figure out where that came from... this season. If we were talking about last season...

But other than that, I really liked the episode. I loved the guy playing Warrior Angel and actually laughed in a way I rarely have while watching Smallville when he discovers that he can fly ("Holy crap!").

Loved the can-throwing in the alley and the phone catching at the DP. But I thought the transition from the alley scene to Lois closet was funky (one second, he's telling her he's in the truck, and the next he's already at her closet).

I loved seeing Zatanna back and interacting mainly with Clark, and doing all of her backward-speaking spells (though the pentagram on the floor was a bit of a surprise)... and hitting on Clark, which girls should do more often on this show, if you want to get realistic, because...

Clark walking up the loft stairs, and then the camera moving behind him as he walks to the window... GUH! And just one of many guhs throughout this series, although I don't typically get slack-jawed like I did last night. That man has a beautiful booty in tight-fitting trousers, and why more women on this show haven't tried to hit that...

Probably more things I liked about the episode that I forgot to mention above, but my mind is in the gutter right now, so I'm excused.
jeannev
Feb. 14th, 2010 12:18 am (UTC)
Carlo Marks was really impressive. Its too bad they couldn't have found a way to bring him on as a semi-regular to play a love interest for Chloe. Cute, good actor, good chemistry.

Clark throwing the can was very funny.

And oh, yes, The Pretty that is Tom Welling! AM should be commended on filming him so beautifully, and in light! His body just looks slamming! And every week, I'm amazed at how drop dead gorgeous he is.

There's nothing wrong with, occasionally, enjoying SV for the shallow and The Pretty. When everything else lets you down, that never does.
agentobrian
Feb. 13th, 2010 10:53 pm (UTC)
Yay for review!

Average screentime:

Clark- 18m, 4s
Chloe- 9m, 3s
Lois- 16m, 45s
Oliver- 11m, 9s
Tess- 6m, 20s
Zod- 8m, 6s

"So much for Zod being in 16 eps this season."

Maybe he had scenes in an episode that were cut for whatever reason, like Jimmy in Traveler and Hex.

"It was depressing to see her walk back into that dark Watchtower, to the equally as cynical Oliver, then pour herself a scotch, and just go back to the cold, remote Chloe we've had this season."

Depressing? Maybe. But not unrealistic IMO. After the events of Doomsday, which was pretty much the last straw for her, Chloe closed herself off to avoid getting hurt. The time with Stephen opened up those walls just a bit, and once again she got burned. It makes sense for her to go back to that mindset of keeping other people out.

"Clark acting the way he did with Lois in Discplie would've been fitting after this episode took place."

I think once Zod took an interest in Lois, Clark might have tried to put a little distance between himself and Lois so she wouldn't be as much of a target. Clark might have put a scare into Zod, but there are other people who could target her simply because she's associated with him.

"Kudos to Allison Mack. I thought she did a fine job."

This I wholeheartedly agree with. I thought her work in Power was good, albeit with some definite room for improvement. But this time I thought she did an excellent job, especially with the performances.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned is we found out why Zatanna's dad wouldn't teach her serious magic- he got drunk with power, and he didn't want the same thing to happen to her.

Edited at 2010-02-13 11:03 pm (UTC)
jeannev
Feb. 14th, 2010 12:21 am (UTC)
I think both Tess and Zod have been painfully underused this season. And going by spoilers, I don't see them coming on in a big way either. I'm asking myself why they even bothered with the Zod character. And now they are also bringing on Waller and Checkmate? Sounds crowded.

No, you are right, maybe the ending with Chloe was realistic. But it was a downer to see her morph back into that cynical, dark creature she's become. Especially after seeing her smile and laugh.

AM definitely impressed me. Credit where credit is due. I thought the ep looked beautiful.
svfan01
Feb. 14th, 2010 12:41 am (UTC)
"I'm asking myself why they even bothered with the Zod character"

Random speculation here but I am guessing they plan to use Zod in S10, so they limiting stuff in Second half. I think the same thing happened last season to Erica/Lois and her episode count once they found out she was coming back.
(Anonymous)
Feb. 14th, 2010 12:47 am (UTC)
If Zod returns for the 10th season, then they're pushing back his storyline. Brainiac was used in seasons 5 and 7 so I see Zod in that same category as well.
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jeannev
Feb. 14th, 2010 05:19 am (UTC)
Re: Part I
I totally agree with you about Lois. I don't understand why she's getting criticized at all. Like I said, I thought it was funny.

I may have made a sound not unlike a happy baby seal when Clark said that line about not doing things just because you have the power to do so. And also when he said that he helps not only because he can, but because he wants to. There also may have been actual grabby hands at the tee-vee.

LOL. I would've liked to have seen that.


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jeannev
Feb. 14th, 2010 05:25 am (UTC)
Re: Part II
Well, I won't argue that it probably wasn't necessary to go there at all. I actually liked Zatanna crushing on Clark a lot, and I would've left that in the episode, but yeah, there really wasn't a whole lot of reason to have her spell him into making out with her.

I think from Zatanna's POV, she would probably dismiss it as harmless fun. I don't know if SV is really taking Zee in any particular direction because I think thats a hard thing to achieve when a character drops onto the canvas once a year, and isn't mentioned otherwise.

For what its worth, my feeling at the end of the episode was that Zatanna wouldn't try anything like that again with Clark. But if she was in town, and she saw an opening, and he expressed any interest, I think she'd totally hit that.
legendsinlove
Feb. 14th, 2010 05:54 am (UTC)
Great review! I really appreciated the amount of Clark POV we got. I think I got a little giddy over it.

I didn't mind Clark letting Alec see his face and where he lived. It's how this show operates. But it's also what Alec needed, a chance to talk to his hero and I like that Clark recognized that and the talk was so beautiful! I want to hug that loft scene.
jeannev
Feb. 14th, 2010 06:02 am (UTC)
Thanks. I was just about to post a response to your review. GMTA!

I think I'm also very giddy about the insight into Clark. I really don't understand why we don't get it more often.

I thought the Clark/Alec scene was so touching, I think I just decided to forgive it of everything else. Because really, if we are going to stress over Alec seeing his face, I think there's about 50 other situations we could stress over. The show just doesn't realistically deal with this, and they never really have.
starry_dawn
Feb. 14th, 2010 08:37 am (UTC)
Agreed, on every count! Well, I liked Chlollie, but I can totally understand why that scene didn't work for you. I would feel the same way, except I've been so excited for Chlollie, I'm sort of ignoring everything else, haha. I'm pretty sure it's not going to work between them, but I guess the thing about being a shipper is that you just want to see your ship being given a chance. That's it. If it fizzles out after that, I'm okay.

I agree about Chloe, too. It was nice to see a bit of the old Chloe back, and her interactions with Clark didn't piss me off, which is always a nice bonus. And I think both AM and CM did a great job with the "romance" angle - AM came off as wondrous and ready to start something new, and CM did a FANTASTIC job maintaining the childlike demeanor. Like you said, it could have gone horribly horribly wrong, but he nailed it.

Re: Zatanna/Clois, I didn't mind it. I think "Hypnotic" was the absolute WORST case of Clark-rape, and this doesn't even come close, so I give it a free pass. I'm not saying it was a stupid thing to do, but this show obviously doesn't mind pushing boundaries to make hot people make out with each other (Maxima, anyone?), so I'm okay with it, as long as it ended well. And I think it did, especially with Lois being so mature and well-adjusted about the whole thing, so I ended up enjoying the storyline more than I would have if we hadn't gotten to see Lois reacting to it.

Plus, Clark was A+ this episode. The talk with Alec made the episode for me, because the Tom+little kid formula always works like a CHARM, at least with me. And that drawing was ADORABLE, even though it was cheese heaven. What can I say? These things get me. :P
jeannev
Feb. 14th, 2010 03:42 pm (UTC)
but I guess the thing about being a shipper is that you just want to see your ship being given a chance. That's it. If it fizzles out after that, I'm okay.

I can understand this totally. I have to admit, there's a part of me that would be willing to forgive a lot if we just got a hint of Cless. I know it makes no sense at all, but I just want to see it.

I agree with you that Hypnotic was the absolute worst case of Clark sexual harassment the show has ever done, and I see this as being completely different. Zee was way wrong, but I think I have to look at the whole situation, try to find her POV, see how she reacted when he balked (she could've hexed him again, but didn't), and see how it ended up. And it worked out OK for me. I realize mileage varies on this, however.

I also liked Clark a lot in this ep. I guess its different strokes for different folks, and all that.
goodvibe
Feb. 14th, 2010 11:40 am (UTC)
::is pleased with Clark' screentime::

I think this was a case of balancing out pretty much everyones screentime well, while at the same time allowing Clark to be the central focus.

As for the rest of the review, you already know ITA, heh. So I'll leave it at that - for once, instead of my usual ramblings. ;-)

But I will say that it's a great feeling to be this wholly positive about SV, for a change. And to have your reviews back. ::hugs::
jeannev
Feb. 14th, 2010 03:44 pm (UTC)
For me, Clark at over 20+ is a very good thing. And I don't ever want him for less then 18.

I don't think a supporting character getting a lot of focus automatically means that Clark has to be pushed to the side. This ep proved that you can do the former, while also giving Clark focus and POV. Why can't they get that balance right more often?

It was nice to just relax and smile and laugh at an SV episode without being annoyed. I value that a lot at this point with the show.
brijeana
Feb. 15th, 2010 05:40 am (UTC)
Yes, yes, yes I agree! Great review. This episode was a lot of fun and yay for more of Clark's POV. It did annoy me that Zatanna was so interested in Clark when she was all about Oliver in Hex but I love your reasoning for why.

hahaha! Yeah EVERYONE is going to fly before Clark does. Absolutely everyone.
jeannev
Feb. 15th, 2010 12:30 pm (UTC)
I think I always viewed her interest in Oliver as more of a "means to an end" type of thing. And I think its possible that her initial interest in Clark was more of an "itch I'd like to scratch" type of thing, but then he resisted her, and I think her genuine affection for him sort of grew. So, at the end, when she's asking him if they can't keep this super pairing going, I think we were seeing Zatanna coming from a more real place. Now, he's not so much an itch, but rather someone she's really growing to like.

Or, at least thats how I saw it. Opinions on this ep seem to wildly differ.

I'm really fine with Clark not flying, but do they have to have so many other people do it?
chatchien
Feb. 15th, 2010 11:12 pm (UTC)
As far as I was concerned, this episode was just a good enough grocery store candy bar that gave me the chocolate that I craved and in a convenient throw away wrapper. If I wanted a really good bittersweet chocolate, I'd go to a good candy store or find a better episode.

It was fun and light and I refuse to analyze or wank anything much about it.

Miss Mack's direction improved. She needs more work and experience on the technical side, but she handles her actors well. Those Steve Swift young and old actors were charming. The episode hung on their performances and they delivered.

And as for Zantanna's move on Clark---good for her! She put a light in the mood spell on him that he easily went under (and why not? Look at her. Any guy would be interested.) and that he just as easily broke. Compare Zantanna to Isobel and her gal pals. Isobel and the gals had Clark dancing naked and horribly without rhythm all night long in a barn. Clark was just a Cheap Chippendale Trick to them. And then they left him chained and whipped for his coach to find the next morning. Now that's a Roofie Night!

As for Lois, she knows her man. He's honest. But he's not because he is fundamentally lying to her about the Blur. So maybe Lois doesn't know her man. Who cares? This is more fun than Lana whispering about Secrets and Lies and then pouting. Although, I did love my pouting Lana.
jeannev
Feb. 15th, 2010 11:21 pm (UTC)
LOL, and I love your approach.

Sometimes its fun to delve deeper into SV, and sometimes its better to just take it for what it was, and have fun with it. I had fun with this episode. 'nuff said.

I really thought Allison did a great job with this ep, but I confess, I don't know much about directing. Basically, for me, its about if it looks good and hangs together well, or it doesn't. Emphasis on the looks good part.

I've often said that the show has gotten itself to a pickle with the Clois because of how long Clana went on, and what occured during that relationship. So, even if Lois has some genuine reasons to question Clark, or fume over his absences, I don't think the show will let her so to avoid the Lana comparisons.
tariel22
Feb. 16th, 2010 05:34 am (UTC)
First of all, I'm so happy to see your review! I understand why you didn't feel like it after AJ, but I missed your voice.

Thanks for the screentime minutes. I'm glad to see the times even out a bit among the supporting characters, and of course that Clark is getting the most minutes, as he should. I don't know what's up with Tess and Zod. It almost feels like they lost interest in the Zod storyline (and that's the only storyline Tess was tied to before Checkmate), and brought in Checkmate to replace it. I miss Tess.

The Clark POV in Warrior was glorious! I couldn't believe it as it unfolded. Telling Lois his feelings, expressing his frustrations to Zatanna, and that amazing loft scene! To hear that Clark is willingly, happily choosing his destiny was an emotional moment for me. Plus, all the things he said! That's my Superman!

The part about Clark keeping Lois at arm's length made so much sense to me. Clark isn't completely over Lana, which is as it should be, honestly, and I see his struggle to find a balance with Lois as a bit of an ebb and flow. He impulsively went for it in Disciple, and then later pulled back again, perhaps even seeing her decision to keep the brakes on as a near escape. Maybe (I hope) he thought about the implications of getting closer, that telling her his secret was a necessary part of that. Then he panicked a bit and threw himself into being the Blur. One step forward, two steps back. And then another step forward at the end of the episode.

I felt bad for Chloe this week. I agree it was depressing to see her walk back into the Watchtower, but I'm not sure what other choice she had, given the decisions to which she has committed herself. I no longer begrudge her a romp with Ollie, if that's what she wants. At least she's going in with her eyes open. But that's also depressing, and it still strikes me as an odd choice for Smallville.

I'd rather see the process on screen, and I thought this episode did a great job of putting it there.

I agree, and it was so great that we not only saw it, we got to hear Clark talk about it!

I know her kissing Jeff the intern at the end seemed to outrage some people but I laughed out loud. Not only for her doing it, but for Clark's reaction.

I loved that! The way Clark said, "I'm going to continue with my apology now." LOL! And my theory is that Jeff is gay, which only makes it funnier, IMO.

I liked the way the romance wasn't the end-all and be-all of this episode. Sure, it was an important part of the mix, but we also got to see Clark work with Zatanna apart from Lois, and Lois be a reporter apart from Clark. I like to see both of them shine as individuals.

Now, I guess the big controversial point of this episode is Zatanna.

Well, I had even less of a problem with Zatanna than you did. :) I think she definitely wanted Clark, and after all her experience seeing people delude themselves about what their true heart's desire is, I think her default assumption is that people don't know what they want, so she decided to put Clark to the test. He passed. I'm glad they had Clark disapprove, and tell her so, but as you say, there is no comparison to what happened in Hypnotic (an episode I recently watched with my online re-watch group, and that I found I still HATE).

It feels really nice to be on the same page about an episode again. :) I agree with so much that you say, and you say it so eloquently!
jeannev
Feb. 16th, 2010 02:47 pm (UTC)
At this point, I think I'm taking reviews on a week-by-week basis. I would no longer guarantee them. I'm afraid a bit of apathy has set in.

It almost feels like they lost interest in the Zod storyline (and that's the only storyline Tess was tied to before Checkmate), and brought in Checkmate to replace it. I miss Tess.

I totally agree with you here. It does feel like they lost interest in the Zod storyline. And see, even if they pick it up now, it does feel like something thats been dusty in the corner that they are going to brush off and try to make relevant again. I always thought the Zod stuff was a bad idea, but it seems the SV PTB might've come to the same conclusion, only after they already brought him onto the show. I have to suspect that Callum Blue is feeling a bit WTF? at this point. At least they seem to be moving Tess over to the Checkmate stuff.

The part about Clark keeping Lois at arm's length made so much sense to me.

Me too. In fact, it made a whole more sense to me then the Clark who was just rushing into things with her without stopping to consider some very important issues. I've heard a lot of complaints about how this was so OOC, but I don't think it is at all. In fact, its more in character for Clark then much of what we've seen with Lois thus far. Not to mention the fact that I really don't see how its unrealistic that he's going to have some doubts, or hesitations, or stumbles.

I like to see both of them shine as individuals.

Me too. I've been saying for a while now that I think more time and attention should be put into developing their individual storylines, outside of romance.

Hypnotic really is crap. I mean, if I totally seperate myself from the context, TW and the Simone chick are steamy. But the whole episode is so unseemly.




theclexfactor
Feb. 16th, 2010 06:04 pm (UTC)
And I'm sure some 'shippers will tear him apart for that, which, *Yawn!*

So much Word.

Also, absolutely everything you said about Zatanna, Clark, and Clark/Zatanna. I mean, seriously, take a chill pill people.

I'll admit that I don't often agree with your views (pretty much because I've loved this season with very little exceptions), but then that would be boring if I did. And yet here I pretty much agree on your review of this episode.
jeannev
Feb. 16th, 2010 07:00 pm (UTC)
As a Clark fan, I've pretty much come to expect it...that episode, or moment, where 'shippers turn on Clark. Its as certain as death and taxes. And hey, sometimes I even get where they are coming from. But here? Yeah, not so much getting it.

Overall, I'm pretty lukewarm on S9, for reasons which I've explained more then a few times, LOL But this is actually one of the eps I'm happier with because I cherish getting Clark's POV so much. I miss the days when that was the norm, rather then the exception.
la_belle_isa
Feb. 17th, 2010 02:22 pm (UTC)
Great review! I love to get Clark's POV!
//As a Clark fan, I've pretty much come to expect it...that episode, or moment, where 'shippers turn on Clark. Its as certain as death and taxes.//
SO true. And I don't care. Because if the girl's not happy, why stay with Clark? But I'm wanking that shippers make such a fuss because they perceive Zatanna as a threat. :P
But I too enjoyed Warrior. And your avi is showing how smoking hot Tom and SS are together. I loved their scenes together: the mischievous magician and the boy-scout. That's an exciting combo. I was actually surprised to see so much chemistry between the 2 as I didn't see it much in Hex.
jeannev
Feb. 17th, 2010 02:38 pm (UTC)
It makes you realize how light the shows been on Clark's POV when an episode comes along that actually allows him to verbalize some of the things on his mind.

I think it was hard to tell if Tom and SS had chemistry in Hex since their scenes really didn't consist of much. I did know that I wasn't feeling much between SS and JH though. So, I'm actually very glad they didn't have Zatanna interacting with Oliver again.

There's something fun about watching naughty girls circling Clark. Call it a strange kink of mine. The way he gets flustered is so adorable and endearing.

Edited at 2010-02-17 04:21 pm (UTC)
(Anonymous)
Feb. 18th, 2010 06:06 pm (UTC)
Congrats AM!!!
I have to say it was a nice enough ep.#OK not much excitement there! #
First of all: congrats AM!! I'm no expert but as a viewer I think she did a wonderful job! (As for Chloe: that's a whole different story!) No, really, it was one of those lighthearted eps. that each season has to have. And it ended up having some very good moments. The quotes that you so well pointed out made a non-epic ep. quiet epic.Ah...our hero!(I actually prefer subtle epic moments than hyped epic eps.that turn out to be quiet disappointing ).
Loved SS.Apparently there's some controversy about Zatanna but I actually like when these characters appear(Alicia, Maxima,Simone...uhh, not so much!).Of course we know these eps. end up being little treats to us (and so near Valentine's Day how appropriate!). I don't know if TW has a special footnote on his contract for doing eps. like these but the fangirl in me just smiles at the clark scenes!!!And they don't damage the main story so much, so ,I'll go along.Even the "lois-kissing-intern-moment" didn't bother me as it apparently did some people.I thought it was consistent with the general tone of the ep. Although I have to admitt when I first saw the scene I anticipated that the Lois critics(and I'm not exactly a lois fan either ) might have a problem with it. And let's face it: Lois doesn't need to give them any more excuses !!So all in all: not bad!!
#Theresa S.#
jeannev
Feb. 19th, 2010 03:11 pm (UTC)
Re: Congrats AM!!!
Yeah, I can see someone thinking this ep wasn't very exciting. But I did think it was highly entertaining, and in a way, I think thats more important.

I actually was not much of a fan with what AM did with Power. The storyline notwithstanding, I just didnt like the look or feel of the ep. But here, she impressed the heck out of me.

Serinda Swan is one of the SV's alltime casting home-run's, as far as I'm concerned. She is perfect in this role!

I expect that TW isn't overly fond of the "Clark makes out with hot chicks" eps. He just doesn't strike me as that sort of actor. I think they include it though because Tom is just freaking Hot!, and honestly, he doesn't get much of a chance to show that when being regular Clark. Because they seem to think that Clark needs to be rather chaste (I don't agree).

Lois kissing the intern is a perfectly "Lois" thing to do. And it was funny. Good enough for me. I would like to see them pull back slightly from "Lois as comic relief" though.
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