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Absolute Justice Screentime Minutes

As of this moment, I've decided to forego a full blown review.  I reserve the right to change my mind, but for now, I'm just not feeling the energy necessary in order to write a review on this.  I think its just best to sum up and say there was good stuff, there was bad stuff, and it most definitely was a big, sloppy, wet kiss to the comic book fandom.

But, here are the screentime totals:

Absolute Justice, total running time: 1h23m1s

Clark:  35m, 47s
Chloe:  27m, 38s
Lois:  8m, 31s
Oliver:  20m, 20s
Tess:  2m, 39s

Dr Emil Hamilton:  2m, 56s
Martian Manhunter:  11m, 19s
Carter Hall/Hawkman:  22m, 48s
Kent Nelson/Dr Fate:  18m, 3s
Courtney/Stargirl:  22m, 9s
Amanda Waller: 4m, 53s

Year to Date (# of eps)*

Clark:  212m, 55s (12)
Chloe:  101m, 53s (12)
Lois:  172m, 46s (10)
Oliver:  120m, 33s (10)
Tess:  50m, 41s (8)
Zod:  48m, 38s (6)

*It should be noted that I counted Absolute Justice as ep 11 & 12, which would account for the # of eps figure


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Feb. 7th, 2010 07:36 am (UTC)
Wow, it certainly didn't SEEM like Clark had the most screentime, did it? I think he spent most of it just staring around and listening to other people talk. Oh, well.

I'm also kind of surprised at the overall totals. I didn't expect Lois to be so high up, and the fact that Ollie has had greater screentime than Chloe this year ... wow. So much for being second-billed, huh? ;)
Feb. 7th, 2010 07:41 am (UTC)
Doing the totals was very interesting. Clark's totals got a huge boost from the scene where he's taking the tarps off everything in the museum. Its a very long scene, and then it goes right into the JLA/JSA confrontation scene. He was on screen for 6+m there. He actually appears in one less scene then Chloe, but Chloe didn't have any scene over 4m

I expect that Lois' total for the season will top the totals for any character not named Clark in a single season. Just my guess.

I think Chloe will make up a lot of ground with next weeks ep.
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Feb. 7th, 2010 10:46 am (UTC)
This is a good example of ample screentime in an ep - but not really being as executed as well as it should. Which, sad to say, but I was sort of expecting from this one, soon as I heard of the premise and all the guest characters.

Also, ::hugs::

Just because. :-)
Feb. 7th, 2010 05:13 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the hugs. I was so sick last night (Spanish food is to blame), so I'll take the hugs for that first, and anything SV related second. LOL

Clark spent a lot of time standing in the background, furrowing his eyebrows and looking intense. A LOT of time.
Feb. 7th, 2010 12:16 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the screentime! :) I only get 34min16. But I shamelessly cut that long scene in front of the painting. There was more non-Clark in it than Clark. It was too much for my patience. lol

What a pity that you don´t feel like writing a review. I was so looking forward to a rant. The more often I watch it, the more details I find that annoy me... :(
Feb. 7th, 2010 05:17 pm (UTC)
I think everyones method of counting screentime varies slightly. I know my method wouldn't work for everyone (but I thank you for not knocking it, and just observing the difference *kisses you*).

Sorry to disappoint about the review. It probably would've only been a half rant anyway, because there were things I liked, and I can understand why some people would love it. They just watch the show for a different reason then I do. Honestly, the more the show veers towards comic books, the more I feel a bit isolated and excluded from it. Besides, it sort of feels like its ignoring Clark's journey when it does that, since they won't make him Superman, which is what he is in the comics, and they won't concentrate on his journey, because he's already too close. So, he becomes a supporting player on the show. And I think what makes me saddest of all is that I think Tom is just fine with that.
Feb. 7th, 2010 02:15 pm (UTC)
Average screentime:

Clark- 17m, 45s
Chloe- 8m, 29s
Lois- 17m, 17s
Oliver- 12m, 4s
Tess- 6m, 20s
Zod- 8m, 6s

I find it interesting that 1/4th of Chloe's time this season came in these two episodes. And at least Clark is finally in the lead on averages.

"As of this moment, I've decided to forego a full blown review."

Bummer! I always look forward to your reviews, even if I don't agree with them, because they're well thought-out and not just "Everything sucked/rocked!"
Feb. 7th, 2010 05:20 pm (UTC)
I really think Chloe's screentime, and averages, are going to be going up from here. I see significant screentime for her in Warrior, Persuasion and Escape.

Sorry to disappoint :( I think my review would've been more of what you describe. In the end, I think I just can't work up the energy to review an episode that doesn't feel like an episode of Smallville to me anyway.
Feb. 7th, 2010 02:32 pm (UTC)
I'm so torn about this episode. Probably because to me it felt more like a spin-off launch, than an episode of Smallville. JSA was dominating more than guest starring.
Feb. 7th, 2010 05:22 pm (UTC)
Right, exactly. I feel like I can appreciate it for what it was, but it just isn't what I'm about as a viewer.

And I think the real crux of the situation for me is that I just don't believe you have to sacrifice showcasing Clark to do a big guest star gala. I think you should be able to do both. Good writers can do both.
Feb. 7th, 2010 04:21 pm (UTC)
I am a bit surprised that Clark was so firmly in the lead, but your explanation of the museum scene makes a lot of sense.
Feb. 7th, 2010 05:24 pm (UTC)
He was actually in a lot of scenes for significant amounts of time. He just didn't do much of anything in them. I mean, that whole big fight scene at the end was about 4m long, so that contributed as well.
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Feb. 7th, 2010 05:26 pm (UTC)
I think you are exactly right. I couldn't wait to review last weeks, because it was cheesey bad, and made me laugh. But this episode? I just can't. Too much to say, too much that would feel like I'm talking to myself, then the other half would feel like preaching to the choir.

I understand what it was. I understand why people loved/liked it. I feel justified in being disappointed in it. And bottom line, it just wasn't an episode for a SV fan like myself due to what I watch the show for. That about sums it up.
Feb. 7th, 2010 06:35 pm (UTC)
//So, he becomes a supporting player on the show. And I think what makes me saddest of all is that I think Tom is just fine with that.//
I think you're right. I even thought that since he had no time to prep, maybe he asked to cut the dialogue for Clark. That still wouldn't explain the lack of heroics and the dinner scene though.
The way I see it, SV is now about the synergy between TV and DC; and the show is its own spin-off. For a Clark fan, it's disheartening.
I think tptb keep their ears close to the fandom and maybe that's why we had a couple of cosmetic changes since the return from hiatus in terms of Clark screentime and the trailers and promo ads featuring him. After all, not only die-hard Clark fans want to see more focus on him. So it's really easy to have him with the most screentime. They only have to slap him into a scene with nothing to say, it's not that much work for anyone and doesn't change the story in the least.
Feb. 7th, 2010 06:53 pm (UTC)
The way I see it, SV is now about the synergy between TV and DC; and the show is its own spin-off. For a Clark fan, it's disheartening.

I think thats an amazing way to put it. I totally agree.

And I think Tom is fine with that, because I think he's already mentally moved onto the production side of things, which is where I think he wants to be.
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Feb. 7th, 2010 08:24 pm (UTC)
I'm glad Clark got the most screentime. If Chloe and Oliver got the most screentime than Clark, then we'd have a serious problem. The point of the movie was to see Clark in a team environment trusting and working with others because Justice, Siren, and Legion had him more of a solo player.
Feb. 7th, 2010 08:58 pm (UTC)
If that was the point of the movie, they pretty much screwed it up at the end with Clark a notable omission from the bonding dinner scene between Chloe/Oliver/MM.

Edited at 2010-02-07 08:58 pm (UTC)
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Feb. 7th, 2010 09:02 pm (UTC)
Thank you for the screentimes! I knew Clark would have a substantial lead because he was IN a fair number of the most important scenes, even if all too often in a silent "I'm trying to figure this out" mode. but I didn't mind that because I saw it as a sign of growth that he wasn't making assumptions and accepting the surface picture and judging to conclusions. (Chloe on the other hand...) My main quibble is with the climactic battle when I felt they really marganilized Clark's abilities. Long story short, Geoff Johns was much more interested in exposing his beloved JSA to a larger audience than he was in writing an episode of Smallville. A pity, if not entirely unexpected.
Feb. 7th, 2010 09:11 pm (UTC)
Thats a nice take on Clark. I still think he was underwritten, but I do appreciate that interpretation.

Personally, I thought the big battle was silly.

And yes, I agree about Johns. But from what I'm seeing, it seems to work for a lot of people. So, maybe the show should just morph into some sort of JLA/JSA sort of thing, and Clark can be written off, or just show up on occasion. Maybe thats what people want.
Feb. 7th, 2010 09:29 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the screentime minutes!
Feb. 7th, 2010 10:04 pm (UTC)
You are most welcome m'dear :)
Feb. 7th, 2010 10:27 pm (UTC)
Thanks as always for taking the time to figure out and post the screen time minutes. I'm glad that Clark had the most screen time, but like you said, a lot of it was spent looking around and standing around.

I guess I'm mainly feeling indifferent to this episode. I didn't love it, but I didn't hate it either. I was feeling kind of disappointed after it was over...I think you're right that it didn't really feel like a regular episode of Smallville.

Legion at least to me, felt like SV, but with some guest stars (and annoying Lana) thrown in.

And it definitely wouldn't work for me to have Smallville morph into a JSA/JLA show with Clark as an occasional guest star or whatever. Big thumbs down from me!

I'm curious what your thoughts were on the Tess/Clark scene since I know that's kind of your 'ship. In my opinion, Tess always looks like she wants to jump Clark's bones. And who could blame her!?! :-)

I hope you feel better! *hugs*
Feb. 7th, 2010 10:33 pm (UTC)
I guess I'm mainly feeling indifferent to this episode. I didn't love it, but I didn't hate it either. I was feeling kind of disappointed after it was over...

It think that describes my own POV really well. It just made me feel distanced from the show. Like it just isn't what I used to love.

Legion definitely felt more like an episode of SV, because really, Clark was central to it. In fact, this ep really seems to have more in common with Justice then Legion, I think.

And it definitely wouldn't work for me to have Smallville morph into a JSA/JLA show with Clark as an occasional guest star or whatever. Big thumbs down from me!

Well, me either, but obviously that would work for some. I think the male, comic book crowd particularly, but I don't want to generalize too much.

It was nice to have a Clark/Tess scene. I would've preferred that it not be about Lois.
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Feb. 7th, 2010 10:35 pm (UTC)
and if Clark is destined to be a future leader why is the show afraid to show us that?

And now isn't that the million dollar question.

I don't really know. There are so many things about the writing on SV that I just don't understand.
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Feb. 8th, 2010 03:43 am (UTC)
Thanks for the minutes V. I guess I just don't see the point of burning off two hours of this stuff right in the middle of the season when there is a Zod plot that needs some focus. And yes, I'm going to rip this Zod plot every chance I get because I think it's awful. To waste effects shots in an episode like this just seems pointless as well. I think I'm growing tired of getting bothered by this show. There used to be a time when I'd watch an episode and get all fired up about it but now it's kind of like going through the motions. I wish that they would just spin the show off already because the part of me that used to love Smallville is actually starting to hate everything about it. I look at it like this...the one show that I really love right now is Lost. The island on Lost and Clark on Smallville are what each of these shows are really about, IMO. So to me, the lack of focus on Clark while focusing on all of these other DC characters is the equivalent of Lost not focusing on the island and instead, introducing about 9 Nikki and Paolo type characters that just clog up the show. Basically, if you have nothing left to show me with Clark's journey, then all I ask is for TPTB to stop cashing in on the Smallville name and create a new damn show. It's never going to happen because they know that taking Clark away would lose a lot of viewers, so the solution is to just have Clark appear in every episode as other characters take turns in getting the spotlight and development.

Feb. 8th, 2010 04:01 am (UTC)
I agree with you, that this seemed like some containted mini-movie, and it disrupted the overall arc of the season. But then again, I think of the stuff they've done this season, and what I know of the upcoming eps, and I think they're just going to make the same mistake with the Zod stuff as they've made in the past. Big freaking problem looming, left off screen while we get a lot of nonsense, or non-related eps. Its become something of a SV MO.

I do understand how you feel. I still love SV, but I don't really feel the same attachment to it. I always thought the show needed to evolve as it went, I guess I just didn't expect it to evolve into this. Or to evolve into something that wasn't really much about Clark anymore.

Feb. 8th, 2010 07:38 am (UTC)
I don't think anyone ever thought about this, but there may be another reason why Clark is written the way he was in the movie. When he was watching the movie reel of the JSA, he admired their loyalty and honor for each other. Chloe wasn't happy about that. It seems that Clark doesn't have much faith and trust in his team, probably because of the events of Doomsday where he was stabbed in the back. The way he looked at the JSA painting, Clark was in awe of the group more so than his. Compared to the JSA, Clark's team isn't anywhere near them but they'll get there. That's why he told Hawkman and Star Girl that his team is a work in progress.

He's starting to accept his destiny and Lois being the key to it. Now, he has to start trusting his friends and teammates. The real problem is that they don't trust Clark, especially Chloe and Oliver. MM is the one he trusts the most. I think this probably why Clark didn't join up with Chloe, Oliver, and MM and was with Lois instead.
Feb. 8th, 2010 12:42 pm (UTC)
I understand that Clark admired the loyalty of the JSA. And there's no doubt that Clark/Oliver/Chloe do not share that same level of trust and camraderie at this point. Its hard to include MM in this, because we haven't seen him all season.

But, to me, by excluding Clark from the last scene, it makes it look like he's not part of the effort to heal to rifts in the young JLA, and help strengthen the bonds. Instead, the way it was cut, we see him with Lois. I think that sends entirely the wrong message. For one thing, it shouldn't be an either/or situation. He should be spending time with Chloe/Oliver AND spending time with Lois. This is part of the issue with his reduced screentime and POV. Also, he's specifically told in this ep that "he will lead this generation...", so to see him NOT be the one at the the end that takes the initiative, but instead have it to be Oliver, seems to fly in the face of that statement.

I'm not absolving Chloe and Oliver of any of their wrong-doings, but is Clark interested in fixing these problems, and getting a better working relationship, or is he only interested in Lois? To me, why can't it be both? To have it only be the latter diminishs Clark. And while one scene isn't going to make it all better, it should've been the parting image of the JLA that we took away from this ep. As it is, what I took away from it was that Clark is holding himself apart from them, and is more consumed with his love life. That seems the wrong message to me. YMMV
Feb. 8th, 2010 04:03 pm (UTC)
SMALLVILLE ramblings!!!
Hi! This time was particularly enlightening to read your post about AJ ep.I have to admit it was pretty much what I expected: it was SM own version of "kneeling before the mythos".Irony aside I'm not angry. In a way it makes sense:I know there's a major part of the audience that is eager for the show to go down that path and in doing so it may even atract new viewers.So I'm OK with it(Look at me being the bigger person here!!).These type of ep. don't really work for me but hey! the world doesn't revolve around me...I was never a comics fan so for most part of the ep. I was clueless.I was always a SM/CK fan. When SM ended(about 4 seasons ago!!!!) I became a die hard CK/Tom Welling fan and I get pretty pissed off when the show isn't clark-centric.Which has happened ever since DC characters started to pouring down like rain on a winter day.So what can I say?I don't have a clear opinion on the new characters/guest stars(for reasons above mentioned). It was nice to see Tess again. And Zod(I clearly have a soft spot for these two...characters and actors...completely biased.)Not enough Clark obviously(agree with everything you said).I continue to have mixed feelings about Chloe(what else is new?) What else? Oh yeah: Lois.I kinda expressed my opinion about that before but I probably wasn't very clear. I don't want to be misinterpreted: I have nothing against ED .I just wanted the writers/producers to present us a different version of Lois. A real 21st version of this iconic character.
Feb. 8th, 2010 05:37 pm (UTC)
Re: SMALLVILLE ramblings!!!
Hi There. :)

I had to laugh when you said this post was particularly enlightening, when I hadn't really wrote a review.

I have to say though, I love that everyone feels like they can come here, and talk about the show, and share their ideas. I hope I always foster that sort of atmosphere.

In any case, I actually agree with you on what the show was, the show is, and how as a CK/TW fan, its sort of a disappointment.

I'm hoping that this ep will lead to more storyline for Tess. She's been the most neglected character of the season if you ask me.
Feb. 8th, 2010 05:51 pm (UTC)
SMALLVILLE ramblings:part 2!
I know this may be a touchy subject so I feel I should explain what I meant. My personal view of the character Lois(again no comics fan here!)is that she should represent all of us: women who are struggling hard,trying to make it in a (still) man's world.Each time a new version of Superman is made a new Lois should be "updated" in order to comply to the new generation of women. Of course there should be some constant guidelines but each version should represent the contemporary prototype of women in a given time. This, like I said, is the 21st version.I think they focused too much in her being feisty that they neglected to represent her san intelligent, elegant, classy , sophisticated woman as well.Sometimes she comes across almost butchy and not exacly the brightest person in the room,even unethical.And that's just degrading for a female character in an industry that doesn't treat women so well.ED's not to blame. But she does have a very specific physical type and sometimes I think she would be more suitable to portay a DC female character than Lois, who is basically a Human Female.And this doesn't intend to be disrespectful towards ED.I see Lois as a strong woman(sure) but also a real woman, dealing with some very unusual circumstances, and being feminine at the same time, someone emotionally compatible with the Clark we all know and love.This long rambling (sincere apologies) is my way of trying to adress a topic that I've seen being discussed:why doesn't the relationship goes forward? Well wouldn't that mean the end of the show? I mean it has been like that since fairy tales:once everything is fine The end! It's all about the journey, not the destiny.I know this is a pragmatic, rational comment. I'm not such a cold person ;I enjoy a good romance. The question is: where the hell is the romance? The sexual innuendos,the sex ,the banter are there but no romance, seduction or intimacy. That's why most of the so much hyped Clois moments end up looking kinda flat.They've used all the tricks in the book:the long stares; the uncomfortable silences; the not-so-subtle sexual undertones;the falling-down-and-landing-in-your-arms,but all that led up to what?I know they are meant to be together but I haven't been swept way yet by a truly intimate moment. I'm being too demasnding perhaps but that's the way I am.Anyway. Looking forward for some new mesmerizing moments in the future. (sorry the looooong comment:(
Theresa S.
Feb. 8th, 2010 06:03 pm (UTC)
Re: SMALLVILLE ramblings:part 2!
I think you have a lot of valid points about Lois Lane. Truth be told, she's not one of my favorite fictional characters. I'm not really one of those people who believes that being a ball-buster shows what a gutsy, strong woman you are. Sometimes, being a ball-buster just makes you a pain in the freaking ass.

But then again, I guess some people would describe Lois that way too, LOL

I think, for me, my favorite Lois moments are the quiet ones. The ones where she shows her vulnerability, or her loyalty. I think ED does a great job with that stuff.

I have to admit, I find the whole "I won't hold your hand" yet stuff with Clois pretty childish. You two are dating, and dating means showing affection. You don't have to jump into bed together, but if you can't easily go up to your boyfriend and give him a big kiss, then I think you need to grow up a little. But thats just my take on it. I get what they are going for on screen. I just don't necessarily agree with it. But then again, if they had them be more intimate with each other, it would call into question Clark not being truthful with her.
Feb. 8th, 2010 05:55 pm (UTC)
Sorry: my brain is fried of too much work and clearly not enough fun.I just realised I posted the comment under the wrong post.I blame SM: I desperatly want to get away from my so-called life and dive into some outstanding fiction(did you hear that show, I want to be pulled in once again; so c'me on make my day!!)
Feb. 9th, 2010 07:40 pm (UTC)
Appreciate the screen time totals again Val. My excuse for not writing a review is that I've been down with the stomach flu since last Wed night and I'm still recovering. That said I was well enough to take in Absolute Justice on Fri and I liked it. I agree I would have liked for Clark to have been written as being more pro-active in this episode and have better dialogue. I especially wanted him to have more scenes with Hawkman in order to learn more from someone who has done it all before and who has had a complicated 1000 year past including loved and lost many times. I love Michael Shanks as Hawkman and as I posted earlier on my LJ I knew he'd do a good job 'cause he's a great actor...Hamlet.

The Clark part I did like was that you could see he really was fascinated by the loyalty of the Justice Society members and when you think of how his "friends" treated him in S8 its not wonder he is yearning for this. With Chloe still being "big brother" and "puppet master" ie Oliver, I'm not sure how this is going to change anytime soon. At least in Disciple Clark was willing to give Ollie the benefit of the doubt and believe in him again.
Feb. 9th, 2010 11:22 pm (UTC)
Sorry you aren't feeling well :(

More Clark/Hawkman scenes would've been nice. I can think of a lot of scenes I would've liked to see, but didn't. And I can think of a few that couldn't been dumped in the trash, and I think it would've improved the overall product. But, what do I know? LOL

I agree with you, that Clark has valid reasons not to trust Chloe and Oliver. I just wish the show would actually delve into that, and allow Clark to verblize that thought. As it is, we're all just guessing, and I really don't think our protagonist should be the vague.
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Feb. 11th, 2010 11:58 pm (UTC)
Thank you so much for the screentime minutes! I always love to pore over them, and I appreciate so much the time and effort you put into bringing us this valuable analysis.

I'm sorry you're feeling distanced from the show. I'm kind of feeling that way about fandom, and it sucks. I hope things get better for both of us. *hugs*
Feb. 12th, 2010 02:38 am (UTC)
You're welcome. Numbers are what I do.

Right now, I'm not sure how consistent I'll be with reviews. But I'll always do the numbers. Until they roll up the carpet and shutter the windows.
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