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HUGELY disappointing for this Clark fan.

Lots of other stuff to like, if you were looking for other characters. 

But for Clark Kent?  Wow, I don't think Johns even bothered to write him much dialogue.


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tasabian
Feb. 6th, 2010 04:19 am (UTC)
I enjoyed it more than most S8 & 9 eps, because of being more plot-driven than 'ship-driven. Hawkman fit my image of him & MS was nicely crusty. And I liked the rest of the guest cast.

However, with all these new characters to introduce, Clark is written in a very reactive way.

In terms of Clark, did you like it more or less than Justice? I'm comparing them in my head right now.
jeannev
Feb. 6th, 2010 04:31 am (UTC)
MS was very good as Hawkman. Like I said, if I didn't watch the show for Clark, but other characters and guest stars, I'd probably be happy.

But unfortunately, I don't. Clark was reactive, and terribly underwritten. Lots of talk about what he will do, but apparently Johns didn't seem to think it was important to actually show him doing much of it.

I think this ep shares a lot of the same issues with Justice. Clark getting sort of shoved over to make room for other heroes. This one had lots of talk about how special Clark will be, but I guess I don't understand why they didn't prove that in action, rather then dialogue delivered by guest stars.

AJ probably ranks above Justice though because the JSA was very well presented, and MM kicked ass. So, props for that.
agentobrian
Feb. 6th, 2010 04:57 am (UTC)
Those tags made me LOL, seriously.

Which do you think was the better (or less sucky) Johns outing: AJ or Legion?

"I guess I don't understand why they didn't prove that in action, rather then dialogue delivered by guest stars."

It's a tease to cover up the stalling they're doing with Clark. If they really are planning for a 10th season (which I won't be watching if Allison doesn't re-sign), they can't just go full out and spend all the development time on him, especially now that they think he's close to being Superman (I don't fully agree with that, but that's just my opinion).
jeannev
Feb. 6th, 2010 05:00 am (UTC)
You know, I had a feeling about this ep....but, I thought there might be a chance it would be a great Clark ep. Silly me.

Its hard for me to say which I liked better, Legion or AJ. The Clark stuff was better in Legion. AJ had more fun stuff outside of Clark.

I just really don't know what it would've cost them to let have Clark have one freaking big heroic moment in this.
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jeannev
Feb. 6th, 2010 05:02 am (UTC)
My sister and I were actually mocking Clark's lack of dialogue. There were so many moments where he didn't say anything, or just sort of nodded, or knitted his eyebrows, or had some completely inane line, like, "Sorry about your friend".

Hawkman was good, so was MM. Though what was up with the MM/Chloe scene? Talk about random.
eeyore1017
Feb. 6th, 2010 05:07 am (UTC)
I agree that Clark was doing a lot of reacting to what was going on around him instead of take charge. I guess you could wank it that he was deferring to the JSA?

Is it just me or does Chloe seem to always have disdain in her voice when she talks to or about Clark?

I know she's not Clark & Oliver's secretary like Hawkman (was it him?) said sarcastically, but I don't really see her as a superhero either. Maybe I do consider her as more of a sidekick than as an equal?

There was really nothing in this episode where I was like, "OMG, I have to go back and watch that again!" I liked it enough, but I guess some of the supposed epic-ness was lost on me because I'm not a comics fan.

As long as I'm dwelling on the negative, I feel like Lois was kind of shoe-horned in there and that her story didn't quite make sense. How was she able to put that all together so quickly?

Tom/Clark was in the first hour more than I thought he'd be. I guess I'll have to wait to see your screen time minutes to know if he was in it more than he was in Sleeper or another pre-directing episode.
jeannev
Feb. 6th, 2010 05:24 am (UTC)
I don't even know how to address the Chloe stuff, or the Chloe/Clark stuff. Now he's not returning her phone calls? And MM shows up, and gets through to her right away, and Clark isn't a part of the scene?

I'll tell you what I did come away with...Johns is very, very enamoured with Chloe, and AM.

I also thought the Lois part of the story felt rushed and forced. We didn't even see her investigating much of anything, but she suddenly had all the answers? And really show, we get it, Clark and Lois end up together. Ease up on the throttle a little.

For me, it wasn't even about how much Clark was on screen, but how underwritten he was when he was there.
eeyore1017
Feb. 6th, 2010 05:43 am (UTC)
I had kind of forgotten about the un-returned phone calls- it makes it seem like Clark is being a bad friend.

Geoff Johns certainly heaped on the Allison/Chloe praise during all of his interviews.

After reading your comments, I realize there were a lot of moments where Clark was looking around at the JSA stuff or listening and nodding to what other people were saying.

Maybe people do have a hard time writing for Clark because he's Superman and just a good guy, you know? He's not snarky like Oliver or a motor-mouth like Lois, or a fact-spouting machine like Chloe, he's a simple, straight-forward guy who tries to do the right thing. Maybe people find that difficult or boring?

Kind of like what John Glover said about playing Clark. It's hard to stand still and just be simple. Twirling your evil mustache (or writing dialogue like that) is more fun and probably easier.
svfan01
Feb. 6th, 2010 05:51 am (UTC)
Johns probably likes Chloe alot because she is the perfect character for plot exposition
agentobrian
Feb. 6th, 2010 06:06 am (UTC)
"I'll tell you what I did come away with...Johns is very, very enamoured with Chloe, and AM."

I don't think that's a bad thing, since most of the other writers treat Chloe horribly IMO.
jeannev
Feb. 6th, 2010 06:40 am (UTC)
I wasn't saying it was a good thing, or a bad thing. It was just an obvious thing.
legendsinlove
Feb. 6th, 2010 08:11 am (UTC)
He was so passive it drove me nuts. For the most part I was able to enjoy the episode except for the big Oliver & Hawkman heart-to-heart. I kept sitting there thinking it should've been Clark & Hawkman.

It felt like Icicle was on my screen more than Clark.
jeannev
Feb. 6th, 2010 09:46 pm (UTC)
When a character is so underwritten, they appear passive. The reality is that this episode didn't really give Clark a lot of chances to shine....except if we are talking about what he'll be in the future, and really, why should we be? Isn't the now more important?

As for other SV regulars, i.e. Chloe, Oliver, Lois, Tess, and the guest stars? Definitely served better by the script. But you could almost feel Johns' disinterest in SV's Clark.
gildinwen
Feb. 6th, 2010 11:48 am (UTC)
*sigh* I had a horrible feeling that would be the case. Geoff, is known in the comic book world as a green lantern/Flash fanboy first and foremost.
jeannev
Feb. 6th, 2010 09:47 pm (UTC)
Truthfully, I don't know much about Johns and his preferences. But I could tell from his interviews leading into this ep that writing for Clark was definitely NOT his priority.
carolandtom
Feb. 6th, 2010 03:40 pm (UTC)
I don't think Johns even bothered to write him much dialogue.

I was actually screaming at the screen: Come on, Clark, say something!, particularly in the Clark/Hawkman scene.

Clark was incredibly passive in some scenes. Of course, Clark could have taken that villain single-handed. He didn't need all those other heroes to help him finish the task. So GJ just had him there, doing nothing so the others could shine somehow. But that's no excuse for his lack of dialogue. Why do we never get to hear what Clark thinks about anything!!!

My expectations weren't high for the event so there was no surprise for me. I didn't like what GJ kept saying in his interviews. I thought that he wasn't talking about Clark because he didn't have much to say, and the episode proved me right. For instance, that Hawkman/Oliver scene should had been between Hawkman and Clark. But I don't think GJ enjoys writing for Superman anymore, if he ever did.

I found the whole event terribly boring. (Oh, and at some point I thought I was watching Veronica Mars)
jeannev
Feb. 6th, 2010 09:50 pm (UTC)
Well, like I said, underwritten often comes across as passive. There were so many scenes of Clark just standing there, and nodding, or furrowing his eyebrows, but not actually say or doing much of anything. And as a Clark/Superman fan, that big fight scene at the end was downright PAINFUL. Clark just stands there and hits him with heat vision? With all he can do, thats all he does?

I found the Hawkman/Oliver scenes entertaining, but its hard not to question why so much effort was poured into writing those, and the last Clark/Hawkman scene felt so lazy in comparison.
lexalicious70
Feb. 6th, 2010 06:50 pm (UTC)
For awhile I actually thought about watching because I like Michael Shanks, but then when I found out that they weren't going to include Jay Garrick, I was kind of unhappy/disappointed. Jay Garrick, (the original Flash,) was one of the founding members of the JSA. I didn't see how they could do an origin ep on the JSA without him.

carolandtom, why did you think you were watching VM? Just out of curiosity.
jeannev
Feb. 6th, 2010 09:51 pm (UTC)
I think the JSA stuff was handled very well, and I think if you were watching for that, you'd be happy. But its not really my thing. You know me, Clark gal, through and through. I think with SV, thats likely to often be a disappointing position to be in.
goodvibe
Feb. 6th, 2010 07:30 pm (UTC)
I wager you and I, and probably most Clark fans out there, had similar issues wrt the writing for Clark in this one. I don't think it was all bad, but the stuff that was frustrating? Was ::exceedingly:: so.

As for the rest of the ep, I'll admit, the comics fan in me loved certain parts of it. But even the writing for Clark aside, I had certain other problems with the ep too, so it wasn't flawless by any stretch.

I commend the effort but some of the writing choices were questionable.
jeannev
Feb. 6th, 2010 09:54 pm (UTC)
I think its easy to like this ep as a comic book brought to life. I think its easy to hate this ep as an episode of Smallville, which used to be about Clark Kent. If that makes sense. I think it really depends on why you are tuning in.

I think, more then anything else, I just don't see why the underwritten Clark was even necessary, because I don't think it would've upset the rest of the show. I'm not even suggesting more of him on screen, just better writing for him when he was on screen. For someone who was told how he was going to lead, and how was he different, how did this episode actually demonstrate either?
(Anonymous)
Feb. 7th, 2010 07:48 pm (UTC)
The problem with Geoff Johns is that he has written the Superman comics, but he's not good at writing about Superman. He's writing around him. He tends to detract from Superman whether it's in the comics or Smallville. The last story he did for his Superman was New Krypton where we have 10,000 Kryptonians with the same powers thus taking away Superman's uniqueness.

In both Legion and Absolute Justice, this is the same thing where he's writing the other DCU characters, but not good at writing at both Clark and Lois. You made a good example where Clark hasn't answered Chloe's phone calls for days and MM answers immediately in comparison.

Since he has a lot more passion for the DCU than Superman, I know he likes to bring in DCU characters to other medium, but he's doing on the wrong show like SV. Batman: Brave and Bold is the better place for Johns to have other DCU characters.
jeannev
Feb. 7th, 2010 08:56 pm (UTC)
I don't read comics, so I can't really speak to what Johns does, or doesn't do there. Clearly he is very much revered by that crowd. But its been pretty apprent to me that he doesn't have much interest in SV's Clark Kent. That came through loud and clear in his recent interviews. And I think that came through in this movie.
(Anonymous)
Feb. 7th, 2010 10:40 pm (UTC)
Which is why he should have wrote for Batman: Brave and Bold instead of Smallville. He didn't care for Clark in Legion and he sure didn't care for Clark in Absolute Justice. It's a good thing he's not among the regular core of writers. I'd prefer Bryan Miller thank you very much.
(Anonymous)
Feb. 7th, 2010 10:33 pm (UTC)
Hello! Britas15, here!

Well, I must say that I was disappointed to not see a full review, but since I totally agree with your reasons for not writing one, I got over it.

Where the fuck is Clark Kent?

Seriously. Where THE FUCK is Clark Kent? In "Absolute Justice," he had no perspective, no action, nothing. It was just him standing around, knitting his brow, lining his jaw, clenching his teeth, and delivering the odd platitude here and there.

Moreover, with the exception of all the advice, and psychoanalyzing, and fortune-telling that got thrown Clark's way, "Absolute Justice" was not a good episode for him. Not at all. Why? Chloe Sullivan.

I posted my complete thoughts on this matter in a thread over at K-Site, but I've pasted the most relevant part for you below...

***

Chloe: [to Clark] ...I know that you have a lot of things pressing right now. But this is a job for Clark Kent. His final phone call lasted 30 minutes. It was with a guy names Wesley Dodds. You need to go check it out.

~~~

Chloe: [to Oliver] I want to take a closer look at this glowing staff the police have in evidence. We [as in, Oliver] need to get it.

~~~

Chloe: [to Clark] Well, I'll stay here and finish downloading the 411 on the mystery men the old-fashioned way. You need to go and warn Carter Hall...

***

In "Absolute Justice," both Clark and Oliver were reduced to the roles of errand boys, tasked only with doing Chloe's bidding. She told them where to go and what to get for her. She complained about their fledgling league's lack of cohesion. This is a problem because it makes Clark and Oliver seem inept. It makes them seem incapable of acting of their own accord, and makes them appear to be in denial about fighting the good fights that are most pressing. Clark is apparently too busy running after Lois and Oliver is apparently too busy exchanging emails with Black Canary for either of them to focus on their heroics. Chloe comes across as the voice of reason. She comes across as fully in the right. Which is a problem, because it belies the reality that Chloe has very often been anything but fully in the right this season.
(Anonymous)
Feb. 7th, 2010 10:38 pm (UTC)
The last quote about Chloe says it all right there. It seems that Geoff Johns was telling us that it was right of Chloe to invade others private stuff while being the questionable voice of reason as well, not to mention being bossy to both Clark and Oliver. It's like the characters have changed from Disciple.
jeannev
Feb. 7th, 2010 10:43 pm (UTC)
Sorry Brit. I convince you to come over to lj and check it out, and then I flake on a review for you. I'm sure I'll bounce back next week.

Seriously. Where THE FUCK is Clark Kent? In "Absolute Justice," he had no perspective, no action, nothing. It was just him standing around, knitting his brow, lining his jaw, clenching his teeth, and delivering the odd platitude here and there.


That about sums it up. Its the very definition of underwritten.

Moreover, with the exception of all the advice, and psychoanalyzing, and fortune-telling that got thrown Clark's way, "Absolute Justice" was not a good episode for him. Not at all. Why? Chloe Sullivan.

I think that was part of it, but only part. And I think thats mostly because Johns just seems to have more interest in her as a character. But it wasn't just Chloe. I mean, look at all the Oliver/Hawkman stuff. It was actually fun, but it sort of highlighted how Clark didn't have anything like that going on. They should've showed more bonding between Clark and Courtney, or something comparable. And then it was also MM, who I personally LOVE. But we had him giving the big humanity speech to the JSA. We had him getting a big moment in the lame fight scene, and we had him giving Chloe some much needed advice.

I think the problem with this ep is that not only did the guest stars get better focus, so did the other SV characters.

I think they made a mistake with the importance they've given Chloe with the whole Watchtower thing. Because, really, it does make it seem like she's the one in charge, and they're her lackies to order around a bit. I don't much care for it. Why wasn't Oliver freaking the hell out when he saw how she was invading everyones privacy?

Clark is apparently too busy running after Lois and Oliver is apparently too busy exchanging emails with Black Canary for either of them to focus on their heroics.

Well, there's that (and Chlollie is believable? I still say not!). But also Clark is doing all sorts of interesting stuff, i.e. the Kandorians, in Offscreensville. Why isn't that on my screen? Why am I not seeing that?

(Anonymous)
Feb. 7th, 2010 11:54 pm (UTC)
Britas15, again!

I know that "Absolute Justice" played different ways for different crowds, but, as I've seen you say elsewhere, what's so hard about pleasing everyone, both the comic book crowd and the "Smallville" crowd?

More importantly, I'm beginning to think that Clark's lack of perspective this season has far less to do with the PTB planning something amazing for Clark very soon, or even with benign or malign neglect, and far more to do with the PTB covering their asses. A lot, apparently, is going to get wanked this season: the stick up Chloe's ass, the attraction between Oliver and Chloe, and Clark's overall point-of-view. It really seems to me that the PTB are giving so little of the important perspectives because they don't really know what to say about certain characters at the time that they're writing or shooting the episodes. So, when they finally do explain something like, say, what the fuck is Chloe's fucking problem, that explanation will blanket over all of her actions as far back as "Savior."

Given that we still have nothing from Clark and we only have ten episodes left this season, I think the PTB are going to only give him some speech towards the end of the season that's supposed to encompass everything that's happened since the beginning of the season. And they'll expect us to accept that that excuses at least over half a season of zero perspective.

This, for me, is not OK. Entirely too much of what happens with Clark Kent happens in Offscreenville. We haven't seen him interact with a Kandorian other than Zod. We don't know how exactly Clark's helping the Kandorians assimilate. I mean, is he driving them to job interviews? We don't know what the status of his relationship with Zod is, especially after he threatened him. All we know is that Clark's really busy right now, and that his personal life revolves entirely around Lois. Well, isn't that just bullshit?

Personally, I can understand Clark not answering Chloe's calls, since they're probably only ever about work, and Clark's neglect, and Clark's lack of focus, and Clark's unwillingness to "do what's necessary." Clark's relationship with Chloe is strained and he's not pretending otherwise. (Just like he's not taking any shit off of Tess Mercer.) The time for healing will come, but, apparently, he doesn't have time to speed the fuck over to Watchtower every time Chloe wants to disapprove of him. If Chloe's calling for something important, then, apparently, Clark still answers. But otherwise, Chloe can cry Clark a river. I have no problem with that.

And, I understand that Clark and Oliver aren't exactly beer buddies. So, I get why Clark doesn't hang out with Oliver much. But can we at least hear/see Clark talking to a coworker who's not Lois? Chatting with some guy or gal about football while they pour their coffees? That kind of stuff is not hard to write and only takes up a few seconds of screetime.

I get the awful feeling that the PTB are going to lay all of this season's mishaps in Clark's lap. He'll get blamed for the JLA not coming together, he'll get blamed for Chloe falling apart, and he'll get blamed for the Kandorians being pissed when, like Zod foretold in "Disciple," the government (Waller, probably) starts coming after them and the Kandorians get the tower going, get their powers, retaliate, take over Metropolis, and enslave the city's inhabitants.

I think we've got a long road ahead, BadToad.
jeannev
Feb. 8th, 2010 02:27 am (UTC)
what's so hard about pleasing everyone, both the comic book crowd and the "Smallville" crowd?

Its not a priority. I think its as simple as that. Though I do understand that there's no way to please everyone.

A lot of the time, I think the lack of POV and perspective from Clark on this show is so they don't have to commit to a certain storyline course. By keeping him ambigious, it gives them more freedom to change the course of the story as they go.

Of course, a lack of clear perspective from your protagonist is just not a good thing. But I become more and more convinced that its OK for SV to do this, because I'm not entirely sure that a lot of fans that are watching now really consider Clark to be the protagonist. At most, I think he's just one of the cast. So, his characterization just really doesn't make that much difference as long as there are DC guest stars, and Chlollie, and Oliver takes off his shirt, there's lots of Lois focus, and so on and so forth.

I think there was potential for a good storyline between Clark and Chloe. Heck, there still is. I just have no expectations AT ALL of them doing justice to it. I think indications of them doing Chlollie actually point to the fact that they aren't going to do any justice to the Clark/Chloe stuff.

This, for me, is not OK. Entirely too much of what happens with Clark Kent happens in Offscreenville. We haven't seen him interact with a Kandorian other than Zod. We don't know how exactly Clark's helping the Kandorians assimilate. I mean, is he driving them to job interviews? We don't know what the status of his relationship with Zod is, especially after he threatened him. All we know is that Clark's really busy right now, and that his personal life revolves entirely around Lois. Well, isn't that just bullshit?

Yes! It really, really is. I love this whole paragraph.

And I love that you wrote this, because I know you are a huge Lois lover, and a Clois fan. And you can see where its wrong that the rest of Clark's storyline is so neglected, and so much is fixated on Lois. I say something like that, and I think people just decide I'm a Clois, or Lois hater. But it isn't about that. At all. Its about Clark, and his characterization, and I'm not inclined to see that compromised for ANY character. Its not personal to Lois, or Chloe, or Lana, or anyone. Its about Clark for me.

I can understand why Clark wouldn't want to answer Chloe's calls too, but I want to HEAR it from Clark. I want his perspective on it. If he's angry with her, or upset, or just feels like he can't be around her right now, I need to hear him say it, and why. I need clarification on just what he sees this relationship as in the present time. Does he miss their close friendship? I just don't freaking know anything. Its beyond frustrating to me. I can wank good reasons for Clark to want his distance from Chloe, but why do I need to wank this? I'll tell ya....so the writers don't need to commit to anything in particular.

As for Clark being to blame when all is said and done, I always assume thats the way its going to go. I've been watching this show too long to think anything else.
(Anonymous)
Feb. 8th, 2010 08:49 am (UTC)
Britas15, again! I know I'm wearing out my welcome here. [Edit: So, this message is so long that I have to break it up into two posts. Wow. I'm just shameless when it comes to word count.]

About liking Lois, I fully admit that I do. I've never really been able to get behind the previous incarnations of the character, and one of the huge reasons that I haven't been able to is because many of them were simply not worthy of their Clarks/Supermans. For example, Reeve's Superman was WAY out of Kidder's Lois Lane's league. But, "Smallville" has actually given this Clark a few really good reasons to like this Lois. And I dig that. Moreover, this Lois's characterization is one of the most refreshing things on television these days. This Lois is not a stereotypical, or traditionally ideal woman, and that is exactly why she lands the most masculine figure of all time. So basically, I like Lois for the gender politics.

As far as liking "Clois." Well, I don't ship. And I think that shipping an iconic couple like Lois and Clark is like shipping Darcy and Elizabeth. It's just stupid and belittling. I'm not invested in Lois and Clark because I want to see pretty people make out or because I want to heap my romantic ideals/desires onto fictional characters, which is what shippers do. (Shippers also spend way too much time talking about Lois and Clark's "I love you"s and their future children. That's just so fucking stupid. I'd be embarrassed for these people if I wasn't so disgusted by their idiocy.) I'm invested because I understand how important Lois's relationship to Clark is -- narratively. And I don't want to see either of them be unworthy of the other and I don't want to see their relationship treated with kid gloves, especially when Clark is expending so much time and energy lying to Lois. So, I'm in it for the narrative. Not the cheap TV romance.

Which brings me to this: My primary concern is Clark Kent. I like Lois, and I think she's important, but I watch this show for Clark, for the protagonist, for the future Superman. He's the character I'm invested in the most, and I defer every other character to him. The PTB could character assassinate Martha Kent or Martian Manhunter or Lois Lane for all I care, as long as it means Clark comes out looking more Supermanly week after week.

And though I know you don't tune into "Smallville" for Lois (neither do I), let me say this: I see the PTB making a huge mistake with Lois Lane lately. They're treating her with kid gloves. Other than explaining chapter and verse why it is that she likes Clark, she's mostly gotten the Clark-treatment as far as the underwritten narratives. Lois's scene are mostly only played for laughs. She can do no wrong this season, apparently. And that's all the more true of late. I think the PTB are afraid of the fans. Actually, I'm pretty damn sure that they are. They are terrified of letting this Lois do anything all that serious or meaningful because they think that the shippers with revolt if Lois ever, say, gets upset with Clark for withholding the fact that a close friend of hers tried to kill himself. Lois is fast becoming an easily dismissible, quirky, snarky, comic-relief character that's held on a pedestal. That's not good at all. Why? Because it undermines Clark. We need to see that Clark likes Lois for being brash and ball-breaking. Not just because she's supportive and wears thongs and doesn't give him shit about his disappearing act. But, that's yet another instance where a silly little thing like protagonist-perspective would come in handy.

Anywho, back to the episode...
(Anonymous)
Feb. 8th, 2010 08:55 am (UTC)
We're in total agreement on the PTB not committing to motivations or perspectives, just so they can give us any line of crap later and say that it applies to the whole season. I think that's poor writing, and, as I've said before, there are some things that we should know by now, things that don't give away future plot developments. Things like how exactly Clark's helping the Kandorians, whether Clark is actually still training with Jor-El, why he's keeping Chloe at a distance, if he's even contemplated coming clean to Lois. All of that could be alluded to or answered without disrupting the narrative. But, we only have ten episodes left and I still know nothing about Clark.

And, speaking of plot developments, I think I've figured out where Chloe's headed, so I'll just paste what I wrote over at K-Site:

I've been saying ever since the hiatus that the logical narrative conclusion for Chloe is for her to become a villain. She opposes Clark's worldview and disagrees with his methods. She rationalizes her transgressions and is even proud of them ("Big sister is watching."). She is self-deceiving ("I can handle it.") and has an unhealthy appetite for power and control.

She should become a villain. At least, temporarily.

And Zod pretty much told us in "Disciple" that, eventually, the government will target the Kandorians, because they're aliens. Well, Chloe doesn't exactly like the Kandorians, doesn't believe they can assimilate, and doesn't agree with Clark's methods of handling them -- as was evident in "Absolute Justice." So, it'd make perfect sense for her to be recruited to Checkmate, an organization that apparently wants to force the earthly heroes like those in the fledgling JLA to help combat the coming apocalypse -- as in, the alien invasion.

So, after being recruited to (or offering her services to) Checkmate, I can see Chloe becoming kind of a double agent. I can see her using her resources at Watchtower to convince the JSA and the JLA that they need to take action against the Kandorians.

Not all villains are evil at heart. Most just see the world differently and do things differently than the heroes. Chloe seems to fit this bill lately. So, I hope the PTB follow through on making her a villain and aligning her with the people she probably would agree with these days: Amanda Waller and Tess Mercer.

~~~

My above speculations about Chloe are why I think that her and Oliver's romance is going to be brief and isn't going to end well. As others have pointed out, Oliver hasn't really made up his mind about Chloe's tactics just yet. He seems to be the only hold out, as far as that goes. He's not thrilled about her invasions of privacy, but hasn't formed an opinion one way or the other. So, I think that once the full extent of Chloe's double-dealings and information-withholdings and manipulations comes to light, Oliver's going to see Chloe for the bat-shit-crazy mess that she is and is going to break up with her and stand firmly with Clark.

And to bring all of this back to Clark, I don't think he'll be thrilled about Oliver and Chloe's romance, but I think it'll be yet another thing that he doesn't have time to dwell on. Moreover, I think that taking Chloe down the road that I have described is the only way to keep Clark from being at fault for Chloe's downward spiral. If she does something so beyond the pale as to join Checkmate and try to manipulate the JSA/JLA and Oliver and Clark to Checkmate's ends, then Clark will be free from blame. So, I've got my fingers crossed that the PTB cowboy the fuck up and take Chloe in the direction that I've described.
jeannev
Feb. 8th, 2010 02:52 pm (UTC)
OK Brit, for real now, when are you going to open up your own LJ, and join out little world completely? I have lots of people on my flist that I believe would really find your POV interesting, and would be happy to discuss this all with you. For now though, you are certainly welcome to share here all you want. Mi casa es su casa ;)

Well, I don't ship.

When it comes to SV, neither do I. I have in other shows. But in SV canon, the closest SV pairing that I thought really clicked was Clark/Alicia, and there's no question that that ship was destined to flame brightly and quickly, and fall into dysfunctional embers (which was sort of why I loved it). My own interests seem more captivated by pairings that I know SV will never do, namely Clex and Cless.

Which brings me to this: My primary concern is Clark Kent. I like Lois, and I think she's important, but I watch this show for Clark, for the protagonist, for the future Superman. He's the character I'm invested in the most, and I defer every other character to him. The PTB could character assassinate Martha Kent or Martian Manhunter or Lois Lane for all I care, as long as it means Clark comes out looking more Supermanly week after week.

I feel the same. Which is not to suggest that I WANT to see anyone character assasinated at all. Just that TPTB should avoid it being Clark at any and all costs, and yet they don't. In fact, it seems like, sometimes, they think in exact opposition to us. That they can sort of ignore Clark, or allow him to look badly, because we all know he's going to be Superman, and thus it doesn't really matter what happens now. I also feel like this was why they were paid so little attention to Lois' development for so long. Because we knew where she was going to end up, so it didn't matter what they did with her now. I really believe they think this way.

I cringe whenever we get a description of an ep, and people start talking about "Lois is going to be so funny". I mean, don't get me wrong, because I appreciate the levity she brings to the show. But she isn't the comic relief, and she shouldn't be the punch line. I have to disagree with ED here, and hope that we don't see Lois in anymore wasky costumes for a while.

I think when it comes to Clois, they just got themselves into a weird place. Because they did the Clana "secrets and lies" thing for so long, they want to avoid Lois being suspicious about Clark, or asking too many questions. But she shouldn't? At least a little?

It seems to me like they know there is no reason at all for Clark not telling Lois, so they've chosen to ignore Clark's POV here, and they also choose to ignore Lois having a realistic reaction to many things Clark Kent. Because to NOT ignore it means to come up with reasoning they don't possess.

jeannev
Feb. 8th, 2010 02:54 pm (UTC)
Part Deux
We're in total agreement on the PTB not committing to motivations or perspectives, just so they can give us any line of crap later and say that it applies to the whole season. I think that's poor writing,

We are in 100% agreement here. I have always said the writing on SV was the weak link. Everytime I read about how fabulous the SV writers are, I start breaking out in hives. These writers are, at best, competent with brief moments of promise. Fabulous? Not in this lifetime. I think the cast, crew, mythology, and overall design of the show has been its saving grace.

I think what you describe for Chloe could be a very interesting storyline. I don't, however, think these writers have the balls to go there.







Edited at 2010-02-08 02:55 pm (UTC)
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