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HUGELY disappointing for this Clark fan.

Lots of other stuff to like, if you were looking for other characters. 

But for Clark Kent?  Wow, I don't think Johns even bothered to write him much dialogue.


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tasabian
Feb. 6th, 2010 04:19 am (UTC)
I enjoyed it more than most S8 & 9 eps, because of being more plot-driven than 'ship-driven. Hawkman fit my image of him & MS was nicely crusty. And I liked the rest of the guest cast.

However, with all these new characters to introduce, Clark is written in a very reactive way.

In terms of Clark, did you like it more or less than Justice? I'm comparing them in my head right now.
jeannev
Feb. 6th, 2010 04:31 am (UTC)
MS was very good as Hawkman. Like I said, if I didn't watch the show for Clark, but other characters and guest stars, I'd probably be happy.

But unfortunately, I don't. Clark was reactive, and terribly underwritten. Lots of talk about what he will do, but apparently Johns didn't seem to think it was important to actually show him doing much of it.

I think this ep shares a lot of the same issues with Justice. Clark getting sort of shoved over to make room for other heroes. This one had lots of talk about how special Clark will be, but I guess I don't understand why they didn't prove that in action, rather then dialogue delivered by guest stars.

AJ probably ranks above Justice though because the JSA was very well presented, and MM kicked ass. So, props for that.
agentobrian
Feb. 6th, 2010 04:57 am (UTC)
Those tags made me LOL, seriously.

Which do you think was the better (or less sucky) Johns outing: AJ or Legion?

"I guess I don't understand why they didn't prove that in action, rather then dialogue delivered by guest stars."

It's a tease to cover up the stalling they're doing with Clark. If they really are planning for a 10th season (which I won't be watching if Allison doesn't re-sign), they can't just go full out and spend all the development time on him, especially now that they think he's close to being Superman (I don't fully agree with that, but that's just my opinion).
jeannev
Feb. 6th, 2010 05:00 am (UTC)
You know, I had a feeling about this ep....but, I thought there might be a chance it would be a great Clark ep. Silly me.

Its hard for me to say which I liked better, Legion or AJ. The Clark stuff was better in Legion. AJ had more fun stuff outside of Clark.

I just really don't know what it would've cost them to let have Clark have one freaking big heroic moment in this.
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jeannev
Feb. 6th, 2010 05:02 am (UTC)
My sister and I were actually mocking Clark's lack of dialogue. There were so many moments where he didn't say anything, or just sort of nodded, or knitted his eyebrows, or had some completely inane line, like, "Sorry about your friend".

Hawkman was good, so was MM. Though what was up with the MM/Chloe scene? Talk about random.
eeyore1017
Feb. 6th, 2010 05:07 am (UTC)
I agree that Clark was doing a lot of reacting to what was going on around him instead of take charge. I guess you could wank it that he was deferring to the JSA?

Is it just me or does Chloe seem to always have disdain in her voice when she talks to or about Clark?

I know she's not Clark & Oliver's secretary like Hawkman (was it him?) said sarcastically, but I don't really see her as a superhero either. Maybe I do consider her as more of a sidekick than as an equal?

There was really nothing in this episode where I was like, "OMG, I have to go back and watch that again!" I liked it enough, but I guess some of the supposed epic-ness was lost on me because I'm not a comics fan.

As long as I'm dwelling on the negative, I feel like Lois was kind of shoe-horned in there and that her story didn't quite make sense. How was she able to put that all together so quickly?

Tom/Clark was in the first hour more than I thought he'd be. I guess I'll have to wait to see your screen time minutes to know if he was in it more than he was in Sleeper or another pre-directing episode.
jeannev
Feb. 6th, 2010 05:24 am (UTC)
I don't even know how to address the Chloe stuff, or the Chloe/Clark stuff. Now he's not returning her phone calls? And MM shows up, and gets through to her right away, and Clark isn't a part of the scene?

I'll tell you what I did come away with...Johns is very, very enamoured with Chloe, and AM.

I also thought the Lois part of the story felt rushed and forced. We didn't even see her investigating much of anything, but she suddenly had all the answers? And really show, we get it, Clark and Lois end up together. Ease up on the throttle a little.

For me, it wasn't even about how much Clark was on screen, but how underwritten he was when he was there.
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legendsinlove
Feb. 6th, 2010 08:11 am (UTC)
He was so passive it drove me nuts. For the most part I was able to enjoy the episode except for the big Oliver & Hawkman heart-to-heart. I kept sitting there thinking it should've been Clark & Hawkman.

It felt like Icicle was on my screen more than Clark.
jeannev
Feb. 6th, 2010 09:46 pm (UTC)
When a character is so underwritten, they appear passive. The reality is that this episode didn't really give Clark a lot of chances to shine....except if we are talking about what he'll be in the future, and really, why should we be? Isn't the now more important?

As for other SV regulars, i.e. Chloe, Oliver, Lois, Tess, and the guest stars? Definitely served better by the script. But you could almost feel Johns' disinterest in SV's Clark.
gildinwen
Feb. 6th, 2010 11:48 am (UTC)
*sigh* I had a horrible feeling that would be the case. Geoff, is known in the comic book world as a green lantern/Flash fanboy first and foremost.
jeannev
Feb. 6th, 2010 09:47 pm (UTC)
Truthfully, I don't know much about Johns and his preferences. But I could tell from his interviews leading into this ep that writing for Clark was definitely NOT his priority.
carolandtom
Feb. 6th, 2010 03:40 pm (UTC)
I don't think Johns even bothered to write him much dialogue.

I was actually screaming at the screen: Come on, Clark, say something!, particularly in the Clark/Hawkman scene.

Clark was incredibly passive in some scenes. Of course, Clark could have taken that villain single-handed. He didn't need all those other heroes to help him finish the task. So GJ just had him there, doing nothing so the others could shine somehow. But that's no excuse for his lack of dialogue. Why do we never get to hear what Clark thinks about anything!!!

My expectations weren't high for the event so there was no surprise for me. I didn't like what GJ kept saying in his interviews. I thought that he wasn't talking about Clark because he didn't have much to say, and the episode proved me right. For instance, that Hawkman/Oliver scene should had been between Hawkman and Clark. But I don't think GJ enjoys writing for Superman anymore, if he ever did.

I found the whole event terribly boring. (Oh, and at some point I thought I was watching Veronica Mars)
jeannev
Feb. 6th, 2010 09:50 pm (UTC)
Well, like I said, underwritten often comes across as passive. There were so many scenes of Clark just standing there, and nodding, or furrowing his eyebrows, but not actually say or doing much of anything. And as a Clark/Superman fan, that big fight scene at the end was downright PAINFUL. Clark just stands there and hits him with heat vision? With all he can do, thats all he does?

I found the Hawkman/Oliver scenes entertaining, but its hard not to question why so much effort was poured into writing those, and the last Clark/Hawkman scene felt so lazy in comparison.
lexalicious70
Feb. 6th, 2010 06:50 pm (UTC)
For awhile I actually thought about watching because I like Michael Shanks, but then when I found out that they weren't going to include Jay Garrick, I was kind of unhappy/disappointed. Jay Garrick, (the original Flash,) was one of the founding members of the JSA. I didn't see how they could do an origin ep on the JSA without him.

carolandtom, why did you think you were watching VM? Just out of curiosity.
jeannev
Feb. 6th, 2010 09:51 pm (UTC)
I think the JSA stuff was handled very well, and I think if you were watching for that, you'd be happy. But its not really my thing. You know me, Clark gal, through and through. I think with SV, thats likely to often be a disappointing position to be in.
goodvibe
Feb. 6th, 2010 07:30 pm (UTC)
I wager you and I, and probably most Clark fans out there, had similar issues wrt the writing for Clark in this one. I don't think it was all bad, but the stuff that was frustrating? Was ::exceedingly:: so.

As for the rest of the ep, I'll admit, the comics fan in me loved certain parts of it. But even the writing for Clark aside, I had certain other problems with the ep too, so it wasn't flawless by any stretch.

I commend the effort but some of the writing choices were questionable.
jeannev
Feb. 6th, 2010 09:54 pm (UTC)
I think its easy to like this ep as a comic book brought to life. I think its easy to hate this ep as an episode of Smallville, which used to be about Clark Kent. If that makes sense. I think it really depends on why you are tuning in.

I think, more then anything else, I just don't see why the underwritten Clark was even necessary, because I don't think it would've upset the rest of the show. I'm not even suggesting more of him on screen, just better writing for him when he was on screen. For someone who was told how he was going to lead, and how was he different, how did this episode actually demonstrate either?
(Anonymous)
Feb. 7th, 2010 07:48 pm (UTC)
The problem with Geoff Johns is that he has written the Superman comics, but he's not good at writing about Superman. He's writing around him. He tends to detract from Superman whether it's in the comics or Smallville. The last story he did for his Superman was New Krypton where we have 10,000 Kryptonians with the same powers thus taking away Superman's uniqueness.

In both Legion and Absolute Justice, this is the same thing where he's writing the other DCU characters, but not good at writing at both Clark and Lois. You made a good example where Clark hasn't answered Chloe's phone calls for days and MM answers immediately in comparison.

Since he has a lot more passion for the DCU than Superman, I know he likes to bring in DCU characters to other medium, but he's doing on the wrong show like SV. Batman: Brave and Bold is the better place for Johns to have other DCU characters.
jeannev
Feb. 7th, 2010 08:56 pm (UTC)
I don't read comics, so I can't really speak to what Johns does, or doesn't do there. Clearly he is very much revered by that crowd. But its been pretty apprent to me that he doesn't have much interest in SV's Clark Kent. That came through loud and clear in his recent interviews. And I think that came through in this movie.
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(Anonymous)
Feb. 7th, 2010 10:33 pm (UTC)
Hello! Britas15, here!

Well, I must say that I was disappointed to not see a full review, but since I totally agree with your reasons for not writing one, I got over it.

Where the fuck is Clark Kent?

Seriously. Where THE FUCK is Clark Kent? In "Absolute Justice," he had no perspective, no action, nothing. It was just him standing around, knitting his brow, lining his jaw, clenching his teeth, and delivering the odd platitude here and there.

Moreover, with the exception of all the advice, and psychoanalyzing, and fortune-telling that got thrown Clark's way, "Absolute Justice" was not a good episode for him. Not at all. Why? Chloe Sullivan.

I posted my complete thoughts on this matter in a thread over at K-Site, but I've pasted the most relevant part for you below...

***

Chloe: [to Clark] ...I know that you have a lot of things pressing right now. But this is a job for Clark Kent. His final phone call lasted 30 minutes. It was with a guy names Wesley Dodds. You need to go check it out.

~~~

Chloe: [to Oliver] I want to take a closer look at this glowing staff the police have in evidence. We [as in, Oliver] need to get it.

~~~

Chloe: [to Clark] Well, I'll stay here and finish downloading the 411 on the mystery men the old-fashioned way. You need to go and warn Carter Hall...

***

In "Absolute Justice," both Clark and Oliver were reduced to the roles of errand boys, tasked only with doing Chloe's bidding. She told them where to go and what to get for her. She complained about their fledgling league's lack of cohesion. This is a problem because it makes Clark and Oliver seem inept. It makes them seem incapable of acting of their own accord, and makes them appear to be in denial about fighting the good fights that are most pressing. Clark is apparently too busy running after Lois and Oliver is apparently too busy exchanging emails with Black Canary for either of them to focus on their heroics. Chloe comes across as the voice of reason. She comes across as fully in the right. Which is a problem, because it belies the reality that Chloe has very often been anything but fully in the right this season.
(Anonymous)
Feb. 7th, 2010 10:38 pm (UTC)
The last quote about Chloe says it all right there. It seems that Geoff Johns was telling us that it was right of Chloe to invade others private stuff while being the questionable voice of reason as well, not to mention being bossy to both Clark and Oliver. It's like the characters have changed from Disciple.
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