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As requested, here is the updated list of people who have participated in my SV Hiatus Project so far (that I know of). Please let me know if I've left anyone out.  And its not too late to add your name to the list :p

idunnoit  - http://idunnoit.livejournal.com/119760.html
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
starry_dawn  - http://starry-dawn.livejournal.com/151446.html

solo_archer - http://solo-archer.livejournal.com/30634.html?view=56490#t56490

chatchien - http://chatchien.livejournal.com/22882.html#cutid1

verogeller  - http://community.livejournal.com/undianormal/18059.html


Again, I thank all of you for playing in the SV sandbox with me.

Now, Ultimate Cuteness


And I will conclude with putting a rant about some (few) people in the SV fandom under the cut



Yes, I will begin my rant by blaming myself for reading certain sites that shouldn't be read.  My Bad!

But honestly, people slamming Tom Welling because they don't like Chloe's storyline this season, or because they don't think Allison Mack is being treated like the star of the show?  Moronic!

First of all, there's a big assumption that AM is feeling slighted, or is unhappy with her storyline.  No one knows anything of the sort.  Also, while AM has been a total professional, and has, on occasion, promoted the show, to suggest that she's been out there, selling it all over the place, is a total fallacy.  Aside from Comic Con (where she ducked out earlier from interviews then ED, JH, CF and CB), where have all these interviews been this season?   

And don't get me wrong, because I certainly have no issue with AM not being out there, beating the drum.  That would be ridiculously hypocritical of me, considering my Tom can't really be bothered doing it, and hasn't for some time (the Big Dummy!).  I just think its ridiculous to suggest that Allison, and only Allison, has shown professionalism, and supported the show, etc.  

Also, I expect that Allison is going to do whats right for her, and her career, as she should.  Amazingly enough, I also expect the same thing from Tom.  Go-fucking-figure!  This idea that Tom shouldn't continue on with the show, or that he shouldn't want, and take, an AP credit and more money, all because the show isn't devoted to Chloe is so ludicrous.

I get it if people aren't enjoying the show this season.  I get it if people think their favorite character should be written better.  *I* think my favorite character should be written better, and featured more.  But spewing vitriol at the other actors on the show because you aren't getting your way is childish, and makes you a fuckwit!  Yes, a fuckwit.  

I don't care if anyone likes the show, or likes any of the characters on the show.  Its open season on characters, because they are fictional.   But this attacking the other actors because you aren't getting what you wanted is so repugnant to me.  I realize its the lunatic fringe, but all I know is that if a fellow TW fan, who I posted with and associated with, started slagging off the other actors on the show personally, I'd speak up.  If for no other reason then to distance myself from the radical views.  If no one says anything, I'm not sure why anyone is surprised when the radicals become the face of the fanbase.

Personally, I wish both Tom and Allison much success after Smallville, and I think they've both earned a ton of good karma for their hard work and  the professionalism they've shown during their many years on SV.  In fact, I can't think of any actor thats been a regular on SV that I don't wish happiness and success to. 


Comments

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homicidalfink
Dec. 31st, 2009 03:58 am (UTC)
Here, here on the rant.

... Now clearly I haven't been paying as much attention as I should be, which RL can be blamed for...

What hiatus project?
jeannev
Dec. 31st, 2009 04:03 am (UTC)
Here is my original post, explaining what it is

http://jeannev.livejournal.com/86172.html

And this was my contribution

http://jeannev.livejournal.com/87116.html
homicidalfink
Dec. 31st, 2009 04:10 am (UTC)
Oh, nice. I think several of the ones you used would show up in mine. The one that might be attempted next week once the kids are back in school.
tasabian
Dec. 31st, 2009 04:47 am (UTC)
Have you seen this homage to Surprised Kitty? Also cute!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Tj9S8mU2t4

Didn't Allison say at ComiCon that she & Tom got to have input on their plots this year? I like Chloe's plot-line better than last year's Doomsday/Isis plot & hope she gets more screen-time and a good story in the next run of episodes. Also hope that Allison gets a decent script for her second directorial outing.

It always makes me cringe when the actors get bashed :(
jeannev
Dec. 31st, 2009 04:51 am (UTC)
Does this mean I'm, like, the last person who discovered the surprised kittie?

That is very cute though.

I personally think Chloe has been underused this season. I just fail to see how Tom is to blame for that, or thats it means Allison is suffering in silence, being a brave trooper.
tasabian
Dec. 31st, 2009 04:57 am (UTC)
Allison & Tom seem like pals so whatever she thinks of the scripts, she surely wouldn't blame him. The entire cast must be accustomed to the er, varying quality of SV scripts.

I hope Chloe gets a nice, juicy arc over the back half of the season. I am very much hoping for action to dominate over romance in the second half, and as always, more Clark screen-time & POV. *fingers crossed*
tasabian
Dec. 31st, 2009 04:59 am (UTC)
I'm sure you're not the last to see Surprised Kitty - my friend sent me the link as part of an Xmas email last week. Such a precious kitten.
agentobrian
Dec. 31st, 2009 04:49 am (UTC)
Co-signing the rant. It's one thing to criticize a character for certain actions, and a good, healthy debate about a character's actions is fine (if all the fans agreed on everything, then there wouldn't be much to talk about).

However, bashing an actor simply because some fans dislike how their favorite is being treated is way out of line. I hate Lois with a passion, but I would never bash Erica Durance simply because she's doing her job. That's one, if not they only, reason why I've stopped going to the SV boards on The Site That Shall Not Be Named.
jeannev
Dec. 31st, 2009 04:54 am (UTC)
And ya know, thats cool. Hate on characters all you want. They aren't real. I won't say that some of the more vitriol stuff doesn't make me crings, but ultimately, characters are open season. But what is with this hatred being directed at the actors? Its really unfortunate.

I like to debate the actions of the characters. And there probably isn't one character on this show that I couldn't debate for and against. But it just seems to me that making it all so hateful just makes it impossible to even have a real discussion about anything.
svfan01
Dec. 31st, 2009 08:39 am (UTC)
I know it's bad of me but whenever I see the typical TWOP Chloe fan post stuff like that I always get a good chuckle because I find it weakens any other arguement they try to make because it makes them look very petty. Anything to put there Chloe is the center of the Smallville universe in proper perspective to me is a good thing. lol

The bashing of actors I think is definantly over the line in terms of hate though. I don't see what people think they prove by trashing an actual person.

Another thing that annoys me to no end is when they take there pettiness over to other places and liter it there. Nothing is worse then seeing the most negative rant about Lois(it seems like they have the same 5 distorted points) on spoiler sites repeated over and over(many times with spoilers that have nothing to do about Lois).

At times I feel sorry for all the Chloe fans who sort of get caught in the crossfire between the more vocal negative Chloe fans and people who just tell them to stfu.
jeannev
Dec. 31st, 2009 04:10 pm (UTC)
I don't see what people think they prove by trashing an actual person.


I don't really understand either, but some sure do get sensitive when they're "attacked".

Well, ya know, sorry, but like everyone else, when my fav is unfairly attacked, for such a nonsensical reason, I'm going to step up and say something.

I wish there was a louder voice in the Chloe fandom who stood up and said "Yeah, I think the show sucks, and I think Chloe deserves better, but its none of the actors fault for that". I know there are some (my friend agentobrian for one). I just wish there were more, because I know they exist.

Edited at 2009-12-31 04:10 pm (UTC)
eeyore1017
Dec. 31st, 2009 05:38 am (UTC)
Oy. The other day I was tempted to check out some of THOSE sites that I hadn't been to in a long time. Now I'm glad I didn't.

I was thinking the other day about AM's reduced screen time, and we'll probably never know why it's happening. Maybe she asked for it, you know? She seems to have all sorts of other small projects she's working on...Maybe since they were so Chloe-heavy last year, TPTB decided to be more Lois-centric this year. Who knows? Like you said, I can definitely understand the frustrations of the Chloe fans, but bitching about it and being disrespectful to other actors isn't going to change anything. It just makes them look rude and petty. Sigh.

You should try really hard to be strong and never read that crap again!
jeannev
Dec. 31st, 2009 04:13 pm (UTC)
I really should. I think I'm just bored these days, so I'm 'net wandering. So yeah, I'm totally to blame for reading that crap. Still, now that I read it, I felt like I needed to say something about it, and bring it to attention, because I honestly think there are some people who don't understand why people feel so negatively about some fandoms.

Honestly, I think the show is just shifting to more of a "Lois and Clark" thing, and they just aren't really sure what they want to do with Chloe. And yes, thats bad writing, and lack of imagination. I get that. But its not Tom's fault. Or Erica's. Or Allison's either, for that matter (and I have seen her blamed).

chatchien
Dec. 31st, 2009 05:54 am (UTC)
Tsk, Tsk! You must include yourself on the SV Hiatus Project List.



Here is your reward for proposing such a Splendid SV Hiatus Project. Just imagine that Mr. Welling is crowning you with the Tiara of Good Thinking.

The reason that I am on Live Journal is the better Class of Fans.

Surprised Kitty is always a Treat!
jeannev
Dec. 31st, 2009 04:15 pm (UTC)
Well, I have the link to my entry somewhere here in the comments. Close enough. :)

Ah, I wish Mr Welling was doing that....then my hands would sort of creep into his waistband....and well, Happy New Year to Me! LOL

LJ is my favorite place too. I like TWU, because its nice to be amongst other TW fans, but here is really where I feel most comfortable.
chatchien
Dec. 31st, 2009 07:49 pm (UTC)
I wish Mr Welling was doing that....then my hands would sort of creep into his waistband....

AND YOU WOULD SURPRISE KITTY!!!!! him!!!!!

Keep your HANDS ABOVE THE WAISTLINE!



I love it when Lois places her hands on Clark's chest. Heh, he does too.

HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU, Indeed!
jeannev
Dec. 31st, 2009 08:10 pm (UTC)
I like how he looks down, like she might've left a little burn mark.

Oh Welling, you crack me up!

I think "SURPRISE KITTY!" is going to be a new catch phrase for me.
serenography
Dec. 31st, 2009 06:29 am (UTC)
Thanks for the links. I'm curious to see other people's picspams. I'm also tempted to edit mine after more consideration, but I won't. It feels like cheating.

Surprised Kitty has been floating around for a while. I posted it to my FB a few weeks ago. It is absolutely the CUTEST thing I've seen in a long time.

Goodonya for the fuckwit rant. I'm in the camp that has major issues with Chloe, but I've always thought Allison a professional who is passionate about her job and not afraid to stand up for herself. People who blame Tom for their woes are just being irrationally bitter. The bottom line is SV is a business, involving a lot of people making decisions about what's best for the RATINGS.
jeannev
Dec. 31st, 2009 04:19 pm (UTC)
No, no editing! LOL But honestly, I added a pic to my own entry the next day. So, really, if you want to edit, its fine. The rules are fluid.

I wonder if people who criticize Tom for only continuing on with SV "for the money" ever consider all the other people who still have their jobs because Tom is, apparently, a greedy dick? Somehow, I think the SV cast and crew are pretty happy that Tom is soldiering on.

But I guess they were supposed to say "What? Chloe isn't going to be front and center, and Clark's love interest?? Well, screw that, I don't want to keep my job!".
christina_kat
Dec. 31st, 2009 07:19 am (UTC)
Thank you for the links. I think I haven't seen the first two posts. I will check them out.

Yeah, I've read comments like these, too. That's why I did a friends cut a while ago. A person bashed Tom just because Clark and Chloe didn't happen on the show. She said bad things about Tom, too (without a particular reason). Things like he shouldn't continue with SV and he does it all for the money. I hate reading these stuff. I love every actor/actress and all the characters has given us something in the series.
jeannev
Dec. 31st, 2009 04:21 pm (UTC)
Everyone who participated did such a great job.

I have no clue why Tom shouldn't do what he feels is in his best interests. Does anyone really believe Allison doesn't do the same?

And like I said above, I have a feeling there are a lot of grateful SV employed people who are really fucking thrilled that Tom is, apparently, doing it for the money. But I guess factoring in how many people Tom is continuing to employ by staying with the show shouldn't count? I don't get that.

Just no.
carolandtom
Dec. 31st, 2009 09:01 am (UTC)
Thanks for the links! I'm sorry I haven't had the time to participate in your hiatus project but I'm glad there are so many good posts!

Surprised kitty is adorable!

I'm glad I not longer visit sites where there's Tom bashing to be read. Those haters don't deserve a minute of my time, particularly because trying to reason with them has proved to be useless. But I commend you for being the sensible, clever and articulate fighter you are. We owe you a great deal, Val!
jeannev
Dec. 31st, 2009 04:23 pm (UTC)
Thanks Carol, but no one owes me anything. But really, why shouldn't Tom fans stick up for him? Why shouldn't I speak about him getting unfairly slammed? I don't like to see ANY of the actors getting slammed, beacause I just don't get how they deserve that. They are actors, doing their jobs!
legendsinlove
Dec. 31st, 2009 10:49 am (UTC)
I read those comments and the RAGE I felt was off the charts. I don't even know WTF they're talking about with Comic-Con and Allison being professional vs. everyone else and Tom just sitting there letting her *suffer*. Suffer? SUFFER? Seriously, people? ARG!

I'm using my angry!Daniel icon to show my rage.

I'm still working on my picspam! I got it narrowed down to 30. So I need to cut 10 more and then figure out how I want to present it!
jeannev
Dec. 31st, 2009 04:25 pm (UTC)
I don't know. I was at Comic Con, and Allison looked like she was having a blast, and I didn't see her doing any more, or less, then anyone else on the panel to promote the season. She's always seemed to be to want to put a bit more distance between her character, and the character of Clark. At least thats the impression I've gotten. I'm not entirely sure she isn't loving this new chilly relationship Chlark have.

Looking forward to seeing what you come up with!
svfan01
Dec. 31st, 2009 11:01 pm (UTC)
From an actress standpoint I have to think AM probably will enjoy the stuff of the past 2 season more then the previous 3 where it seemed like for a big part she was just like a personal secratary for Clark searching stuff on a computer for him.
la_belle_isa
Dec. 31st, 2009 02:27 pm (UTC)
I try to read as less as possible of Tom bashing. But those obsessed knuckleheads troll every place where they know they won't be edited or banned. I mean, how much of a loser does one have to be to devote so much time hating an actor? Anyway, that's the very definition of a troll for me.
The way some fans see the entertainement business is so naive imo. Actors do promotion when they think it will benefit them as individuals. Period. And that includes AM.
As for Chloe, of course, her storyline and characterization has been awful so far in S9. But I think we'll see more and better in the 2nd half since Allison is leaving after this season. It reminds me of Lex in S7, where he had close to nothing to do in the first half but the 2nd half was devoted to his descent. Although, I would prefer of course a Clark-centric 2nd half after the Lois-centric 1st half, but I have no hope it will happen.
Oh! I haven't seen Surprised Kitty! Another one to send to my daughter!
jeannev
Dec. 31st, 2009 04:30 pm (UTC)
Well, I don't go looking for Tom bashing, but when I see it, I feel like I should make a point to say something. I don't like it, and I think its unfair.

I think people forget that the actors don't view the show the same way the fans do. Yes, they are passionate about it, but its also their job. What is fun and challenging for them to perform is not always what we want to see, or find entertaining. I have no doubts that AM loved the Chlavis last year, but I thought it decimated Chloe as a character. So, should I rail on AM? Or just respect that she, probably, felt challenged as an actor, and it gave her something different to play?

I don't know if there is more to come for Chloe this season. I hope so, because I would like to see some resolution between her and Clark this season.
wrighty555
Dec. 31st, 2009 02:27 pm (UTC)
I think what you are seeing is the same sort of shit that came about in the early years between chloe and Lana fans. It's never going to change as this is the internets and the fandoms on here are NUTS...

Chloe and AM fans are not happy right now because of the enormous amount of screen time being given to Erica Durance. Who I liken to Kristen Kreuk...She's a show stopper. She will stop the momentum of any episode she's in. She's not quite as bad as KK, but she's close.

Chloe and AM fans are blaming Tom because he's now an executive producer and can alter this if he chooses. I think that it's kind of like when you yell at the one you love because you know they can take it. You aren't really mad at that person but they happen to be the easiest target.

As much as I hate what they've done with Chloe this year, I'm not happy with her lack of screen time or her overall storyline, I don't blame TW or anyone else, other than AM. If she wanted a different storyline she would get it. I think she genuinely likes this direction (as her views of the character have never really meshed with the fandoms views) the show is taking and probably enjoys the lighter workload. She probably requested less screen time to focus on other projects. I believe it's the most obvious reason that Tom's ST is so diminished. He asked for it.

So, in conclusion (Damn this post got away from me..lol) don't let it get to you. I'm a much happier person once I just decided to ignore most of the stupid shit and came to realize that there is nothing anyone can do. I credit becoming a moderator on a fan forum with helping me understand these people. :-)
la_belle_isa
Dec. 31st, 2009 04:02 pm (UTC)
//Chloe and AM fans are blaming Tom because he's now an executive producer and can alter this if he chooses.//
Of course, I'm not an expert on those matters, but I think people in general believe Tom has more power than he actually does. And that goes for all those Lois/Clois fans who thinks Tom walks on water all of a sudden because they think he allowed Lois to be front and center.
He's a co-exec producer. Sometimes, that position is in title only. Above him, are the exec producers, the CW, the WB, the DC comics AND he's not the one writing the stuff. He's just one link in the food chain and he seems more involved with production anyway.
jeannev
Dec. 31st, 2009 04:36 pm (UTC)
Of course, I'm not an expert on those matters, but I think people in general believe Tom has more power than he actually does. And that goes for all those Lois/Clois fans who thinks Tom walks on water all of a sudden because they think he allowed Lois to be front and center.
He's a co-exec producer. Sometimes, that position is in title only. Above him, are the exec producers, the CW, the WB, the DC comics AND he's not the one writing the stuff. He's just one link in the food chain and he seems more involved with production anyway.


AMEN to all of this.

Really, has anyone ever stopped to count all the other producers there are in the credits?
jeannev
Dec. 31st, 2009 04:35 pm (UTC)
Chloe and AM fans are not happy right now because of the enormous amount of screen time being given to Erica Durance.

But they were perfectly fine when AM was dominating screentime, and ED was shuffled off for episode after episode?

See, my point is that they aren't the ONLY ONES that haven't gotten what they wanted from this show, or have been disappointed. But funny, I don't recall ED fans blaming Tom for Erica not having more eps or focus.

I think Tom has been an easy target for a lot of fans for too damned long.

I think people don't take into consideration that AM might be liking what she's doing now, and what she did last season. She has always said she didn't care for the Chlark stuff. She's said she doesn't support the Chlois theory. She's talked about wanting more storyline apart from Clark. She might be loving what she's getting to do with season. Does she want more screentime? I don't know, but after 9 seasons, maybe she's digging the lighter schedule, and the big paycheck. She's earned it, in spades.
wrighty555
Dec. 31st, 2009 04:43 pm (UTC)
Tom wasn't the Executive Producer when Erica wasn't getting much screen time..And, I do recall many ED fans screaming that the producers were assholes for giving AM so much story time last year and not using ED enough.

If Tom wasn't an EP then they wouldn't be blaming him.
jeannev
Dec. 31st, 2009 06:40 pm (UTC)
Tom is a co-exec producer, actually. One of 3. There are also 3 executive producers, 4 co-producers, 3 supervising producers, and 2 producers. Thats not even addressing any of the network people.

But yeah, I'm sure Tom is the one that decides everything.
wrighty555
Dec. 31st, 2009 07:37 pm (UTC)
You have to remember..It's not about what power Tom actually has..It's the fact that he's the easiest target. People see Executive Producer and they see someone who can change the course of the show..And, they are correct. Tom does have that kind of power. But, it's not his fault what has happened to Chloe's storyline.
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jeannev
Dec. 31st, 2009 04:36 pm (UTC)
Thats OK. I just wanted everyone to see your great entry.
jude_judith82
Dec. 31st, 2009 06:21 pm (UTC)
I've felt completely out of the loop with SV fandom lately but it's actually both comforting and incredibly frustrating that things never change.
jeannev
Dec. 31st, 2009 06:41 pm (UTC)
Its true. There are always going to some rotten apples in the bunch that just completely turn you off apples totally.
sunflowercyn10
Dec. 31st, 2009 07:53 pm (UTC)
Wow...thanks for all the links to the incredible contributions to this project Valerie. :) Hey I've never seen "surprised Kitty" before and thanks for sharing. So cute! Now I'm going to post on fb to make more folks happy.

As for your rant...*hits head on wall*. I think the thing that bothers me...no scares me...is that when some people cross the line of just enjoying a show and the characters to thinking because they love a character the actor plays they then know them personally and no their likes and dislikes and can trash their fellow actors, co-workers and yes friends because they don't like what they see on the show. If I was AM I'd be geniunely freaked out by stuff like this. All of the actors, crew, and SV staff work very hard in their little corner of the world (and its a little corner *grins*) on the show and they probaby know when sometimes the end product doesn't look like what they worked on or expected it to be. I just read an interview with Cassidy Freeman who likes to watch the episodes as they air to see how she is doing as an actress etc because what she performs with the actors and then ends up on the screen can look a bit different etc then what she or the actors thought they were doing in their minds eye. But to trash actors personally because of one actor getting more time then another? SV has been known for years of having a tight friendly set that begins with the leadership of Tom and so many guest stars have mentioned how refreshing it is to act on a set like that. I wish parts of fandom would realize that the stuff they are spouting would geniunely hurt the actors...all of them if they read that crap.

As for Tom being to blame for AM's lack of screentime etc and giving more to Erica? Well that's like blaming the original creators Seigal and Shuster for giving Clark/Superman Lois as a collegue/love interest in the first place. What I am saying is that its only a natural progression of the story and where the story is iconicly going to go. We might have beefs on story arc focuses etc but Tom shouldn't take the blame for this because he is a co-excutive producer. I do think that when the producers wanted him to sign on for S9 and S10 that we did hear that Tom wanted to know where his character's story would be going because ultimately he wanted a reason why the show would be fresh and why people would keep watching. I thought that he got the broad strokes of the story and after some give and go and his opinions given etc they all came to an agreement and here we are. *shrugs* Is he responsible for every episodes arc? No but I am of the opinion that the big picture of the story SV wanted to tell....he agreed to.
jeannev
Dec. 31st, 2009 08:17 pm (UTC)
I think Suprise Kitty might just be chicken soup for the soul.

It seems to me that the cast of SV all get along quite well, and they have genuine affection for each other. I'm not sure any of the current cast pal around off the set, but its clear to me that its a pretty professional, contented set. And this has been repeated over and over and over again by guest stars.

So, why wouldn't actors want to continue working in that environment?

Somehow, I doubt AM is anywhere near as disappointed with her current storyline as some of her fandom.

I think Tom is concerned with the overall direction of the show, and how it looks, more then anything else. I'm sure he knew that, eventually, Clark and Lois would come together on the show. I'm sure he's fine with that. And much to my chagrin, I don't think he really cares if Clark is as prominent on the show as I think he should be. So, should I get mad at him for that, and accuse him of being a jerk, or unprofessional?

And I'm really not entirely sure how much imput he'd have on Chloe's storyline, or how much he'd even care. When AM re-signed for S8 & S9, does anyone really think she asked "So, what is Clark's storyline going to be, because if its not good enough, I'm not signing?" Of course she didn't. Thats ludicrious. But Tom should've done that?
svfan01
Dec. 31st, 2009 11:36 pm (UTC)
"And I'm really not entirely sure how much imput he'd have on Chloe's storyline, or how much he'd even care. When AM re-signed for S8 & S9, does anyone really think she asked "So, what is Clark's storyline going to be, because if its not good enough, I'm not signing?" Of course she didn't. Thats ludicrious. But Tom should've done that?"

I think the way the show is going ruins people's delusional fantasies(and I seen it from all sides at different times during the show) that Tom Welling ships relationship X.

I think in general one of the main problems with the show is it played to much to try give all shipper groups something to chew on, and now you have 3 clearly divivded fanbases who usually hate the other 2. In the case of Chloe after 8 years of being teased by the producers/writers they feel like a jilted lover.

The show could have been so much better if they wrote it a bit more organically. Make Clana a 4 year relationshipship for starters(ie don't drag it out to 7 1/2 seasons), don't throw out some meaningless Chlark moments that will lead nowhere(see Vessel Kiss), find other characters to bring on the show when Clark leaves High School(and in the same breath have him go to college) instead of turning the show in S5 to one that seemed to try please fans of the female characters more then focusing on Clark(to anybody who says Season X is the season the quality went down I point to S5 as the real downfall in writing on this show).
jeannev
Jan. 1st, 2010 05:54 am (UTC)
I definitely think this show did itself no favors in the way it conducted Clark's love life. I feel like I've been saying as much for seasons now.
jade4813
Jan. 1st, 2010 01:33 am (UTC)
You and I haven't been on the same side of every issue this season, but I completely agree with you on this one.

I don't understand people who accuse Tom of betraying them for signing back on/continuing the show/working on it when there's lack of Chloe focus/Lana focus/Lois focus/Chlark/Clana/Clois/blue shirts worn on Tuesdays. I don't understand people who think that TW or AM or anyone else is actually a shipper and is "throwing scenes" or "subtly rooting" for a ship.

Frankly, I think they approach it as a job for which they get paid. They like the people they work with, and I'm sure they have some interest in the end product to varying degrees. But at the end of the day, they're putting money in the bank and sleeping just fine at night without giving a second thought to all those concerns that (let's be honest, largely shippers - and I mean of ALL ships) are utterly CONVINCED they toss and turn while pondering in the late, late hours of the night.

For the record and as an aside, I also don't understand people who say whenever AM or TW or anyone else happens to compliment *cough* another actor or actress on the show, it has to be just lip service and they can't ACTUALLY be paying their fellow co-stars a compliment. Because we're all psychic.

But I think that all of the actors are approaching their decisions when it comes to the show with THEIR CAREERS in mind. Not whether a lunatic fringe will want or not want something in particular. I can't imagine Tom went into the negotiations or the plotting for the season with AM's interests in mind, or KK's (because I see THAT argument too), or ED's. I doubt he spent any time at all thinking about the Cloisers or the Clanaers or the Chlarkers or the Chloisers. I think he went into it thinking about his own career (understandably). And an interest in the direction of the show as a whole - particularly in making sure that they actually had a direction, since that's not exactly the norm.

The argument some people make that he PERSONALLY BETRAYED them by not sitting at the table and saying first-off, "Well, my primary concern is that __(someone other than Clark)__ is shown respect and gets oodles of screentime and a love interest (preferably me, naturally, as I'm a closet shipper) or I won't come back" is just...I don't know if I should laugh or cry. It's absolutely ludicrous.

And I do LOVE that people assume AM's actually pissed at what she's getting this year. Let's see...she's getting paid...the same amount of money...to put in a half hour's work or so (with various reshoots, makeup, etc)...leaving the rest of her time to look for work for next year...when she won't be on the show (and seems fine with the prospect of leaving)...work that she might actually appreciate better since she considers Smallville a paycheck and her other projects to be art.
jeannev
Jan. 1st, 2010 05:53 am (UTC)
I don't understand people who think that TW or AM or anyone else is actually a shipper and is "throwing scenes" or "subtly rooting" for a ship.


Me either, since it implies that TW, AM, or whoever, is unprofessional.

I think he went into it thinking about his own career (understandably). And an interest in the direction of the show as a whole - particularly in making sure that they actually had a direction, since that's not exactly the norm.

I agree. And I think the very idea that Tom shouldn't go into any contract negotiations with his best interests in mind is just nuts.

Personally, I could see AM feeling that she's being underused (JH thought he was last season). But I suspect she likes the direction of her character quite a bit. Seems to me that she's been anxious to break away from Clark for a while now. Nothing personal to Tom, I just think she wanted other stories to play.


jade4813
Jan. 1st, 2010 07:01 am (UTC)
It's been so long since I've done anything on LJ, I've forgotten how to format posts. So pardon if I simply use quotes!

"Me either, since it implies that TW, AM, or whoever, is unprofessional."

I agree. I also think it implies that they care about that sort of thing. That they see the show the same way as the fans do. Like this isn't just a job; they see it as a sacred story they're trying to tell about love and...ugh. I don't even have the stomach to continue because it's so absurd.

I think the fans who spend this much time thinking about the show are the exception and not the rule. Not everyone obsesses this much. Not even most people. And I say that not as an insult to those who do - I'm one of them. But I recognize that probably 98% of the people who even watch the show just don't care that much one way or another.

"I agree. And I think the very idea that Tom shouldn't go into any contract negotiations with his best interests in mind is just nuts."

I think he did, I hope he should, and I roll my eyes at any implication that he shouldn't. He's an actor - even a nice actor. He's not a saint.

Hell, if I were on the show, I'd go into contract negotiations trying to get the best deal I could get. I can't exactly expect Tom to be any more noble than me. And it's not like Allison - or anyone else - isn't doing the same thing. Or that she doesn't have people looking out for her own best interests. She'd be an idiot not to - and I think that it was pretty clear during her last round of contract negotiations that she most certainly did. Good for her, I say.

I highly doubt that Allison and those she's hired to look out for her are so incompetent that they have to hope that Tom will fight the good fight for them, putting her above even himself.

Puh-lease.

"Personally, I could see AM feeling that she's being underused (JH thought he was last season)."

She could. But I'm not going to assume she is, unless she says she is.

I think she cares about her job. I think she cares about her character. But I don't think she views her character in the same way that some fans do.

I think she views it as a job. That she wants it to be interesting. I bet she's having a bit of fun with her new direction because it gives her something new to do. Playing the same character day in and out for nine years - of COURSE you're going to want something new to do.

I think that she's willing to go with the flow. I doubt she looks at it that closely. I suspect she looks at the big picture but she rolls with the punches from episode to episode and that she has two main concerns: 1) that she do her best to be professional and do her job, and 2) that she get a storyline that is fun and interesting for her to act (because everyone would prefer their job to be interesting if at all possible, right?).

And while it is possible that she thinks her character is underused, I'm not ABOUT to assume that's true. She's been on the show for nine years now, and while she's had differing amounts of screentime in that period, she's worked hard (I'm sure) for all of those years. Last year, she got a COLOSSAL amount of screentime, and I'm sure that caused her to work very hard, very long hours.

For me, I could imagine if I went from working 40 hours a week for $40,000 a year one year and they told me I could work 5 hours a week for $40,000, I wouldn't exactly be crying in my milk. You know?

She's a professional, so I'm sure she's willing to work as long and as hard as they need her to and ask her to. But, come on. Someone's offering to pay you boatloads of money to work a few hours a week and have the rest of the time free to do whatever you want (including looking for your next gig)?

I'd jump on that in a heartbeat, and I'm not about to assume that she wouldn't have done the same, particularly since she got such spectacular coverage last season (so she has quite the portfolio she can show to future employers if need be). She might wish she could have more time on the show. But, all things considered, I'm going to withhold judgment that she actually feels that way unless she alludes to as much in an interview. ;)
goodvibe
Jan. 6th, 2010 07:10 pm (UTC)
Oh, this is a great idea - putting all the links in one place. I'm going to check them out.

As for those "fans" who can't seem to separate fiction from reality and healthy affection and analysing from unhealthy obsession, well, is there really anything else to be expected from them? I wish I could say I was surprised, but I'm really not. My sincerest advice to you would be the same as always - just don't bother with them at.all. It's so not worth taking the time out to read. I feel so much freer ever since I stopped going there.
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