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Pandora Screentime Minutes, and Thoughts

*Sign* So, you know, I was really disappointed. I thought this ep was something of a hot mess.

But, everything goes behind the cut to ensure non-spoilage

Type your cut contents here

Boy, those Kandorians and their kneeling.

Anyway, here are the stats, and they should come as much of a surprise to anyone

Running Time: 41m, 39s (previously on: 52s)

Clark: 21m, 55s
Chloe: 11m, 55s
Lois: 32m, 45s
Oliver: 9m, 23s
Tess: 10m, 10s
Zod: 9m, 44s

Emil: 1m, 25s

Year To Date:

Clark: 161m, 1s
Chloe: 65m, 52s
Lois: 154m, 11s (8)
Oliver: 86m, 18s (7)
Tess: 48m, 2s (7)
Zod: 40m, 26s (5)


So, why do I expect that the show is setting Clark up for another "Its all my fault" plot line? Maybe because they love them so much? Whatever, I'm bracing for the worst.

Why would the black shirt with the symbol Lois had never seen before mean anything to her?

How did Zod know Clark's birth name was Kal-El?

How did Zod know Lois had the Legion ring tucked in her pocket?

If Chloe had a virus that would disable the ray from the Tower (and did anyone else get Independence Day flashbacks?), why hadn't she pulled that trigger before?

I though Chloe and Oliver had a whole group of followers. Where were they towards the end?

Clark turned his back on Chloe and Oliver because they reminded him of Lois? Not because one stabbed him in the back symbolically, and the other one did it literally? And Clark is the big asshole for it, obviously, and has pretty much done nothing right? Wow show, you kinda suck for that.

All I know is that the show I watched in S8 did not have Clark, or Lois, in a place where the Clark and Lois in this episode made sense to me. That Clark would feel relief that she was alive? I totally get. That he would die to protect her? Absolutely. This? Not so much. And frankly, I don't think Lois' would be all about having the sex here either. In fact, I was surprised at how unnecessary the sex scene seemed to me. Not to mention the HORRIBLE MONTAGE!! What was that? The leaked scenes were about a million times hotter and more interesting. A montage? Really? That was awful, and it wasn't even well executed.

I continue to loathe Clark/Chloe scenes. They have become incredibly unpleasant to watch.

So, Chloe is pretty much in charge of the whole WT/JLA thing now, right? And everyone is just supposed to do what she says?

I don't get why Tess thought siding with Zod would save the Earth. And now she's just shooting minions in the back?

If Zod was trying to convince Clark to join him, why would he be keeping him at the Kent Farm instead of keeping him closer to him at the mansion?

Why would Alia give a crap about a humans old watch? Is she going to pawn it?

Talk about a big fizzle with the Clark/Alia thing, eh? Why did she apologize to him for failing, and why did she touch his face tenderly in Savior? They apparently had no relationship to speak of. I smell a rewrite.

Why did Alia have her powers when she followed Lois back to the present time? And where did she get Blue Kryptonite? And why would she have to use it? (going back to Savior)

Why did Tess stick things into her head, and not bleed, or have any holes? Lois too, for that matter.

I guess this is another dream link machine invented by Lionel Luthor? The one from Fracture didn't work on kryptonite.

So, Lois lost her memory of the events because it was traumatic? Thats it? Thats the big explanation?

Who directed this ep? .

I'm not a shipper. I've never been a shipper when it comes to SV. And this episode reminds me why I'm not. I just really don't enjoy when a relationship, any relationship, becomes Clark's raison d'etre. Its just not my thing.

Having said that, the final Clois scene at the DP was one of the few in the episode that worked for me. It was very cute, and Tom sold it completely.

I thought the cast was very good, and it was fun seeing everyone get some screentime together. I do continue to lament the lack of meaningful Clark/Tess scenes, but I've pretty much given up hope on them.

I was glad Stuart lived. And I still really like Emil.

So, I guess thats it until January 22..

Comments

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jlvsclrk
Nov. 21st, 2009 06:58 am (UTC)
ITA with just about all your caveats. I kinda liked the episode, but the devil is in the details.

The machine used looked like a combination of the summerholt memory machine used in Lara (with Kara and green K) and the fracture machine. Maybe they were trying to find a way to get rid of the side effects????

FYI, Beggs directed it - his only other episode was Bulletproof - also not the best put together episode.
jeannev
Nov. 21st, 2009 05:05 pm (UTC)
And Oy, did this episode fail on the details. I was watching it with my sister, and she kept turning me to me and saying "What?"

I don't know, a big episode like this, don't you think they would've given it to one of the more experianced directors? I would've loved to see TW take this one on.
christina_kat
Nov. 21st, 2009 07:11 am (UTC)
//Having said that, the final Clois scene at the DP was one of the few in the episode that worked for me. It was very cute, and Tom sold it completely.//
Couldn't agree more! This was the best scene.

What happened to the rest of the episode? I don't know but i was expecting so much more that I was kind of dissapointed too. I, of course, enjoyed Tom's sexiness.

Tess is really smarter now than the the future Tess!

About the love scene?? Sexy but short...edited and...*shakes head*
jeannev
Nov. 21st, 2009 05:08 pm (UTC)
I do think this ep suffered from a huge build-up. I suspect the Socigends 2 hour movie might also be set up for the same thing. But I think a lot of people have already written up their glowing reviews for that, no matter what it is.

I just don't care for the writing for Tess with this Zod thing. They gave her absolutely no explanation for her whole "I have to save the Earth" thing with Zod. And then an overly long death scene with a cry facing Oliver? Really? Have they even shared a scene this season?

I don't even know what that love scene montage was, but I think high school students with a home video camera and a computer editing program couldn't done better. Why not just let those scenes unfold? They made a mess out of it.
(Anonymous)
Nov. 21st, 2009 07:35 am (UTC)
Because of those screentimes, it's clear the first half was Lois-centric. It's the equivalent of last season's second half where it wasn't Clark-centric. The only reason Lois has been emphasized is because they're making it to her for being absent in last season's second half. Also TW's co-exec producer title may also be a factor as well. Since Lois no longer has memories of the future, she has served her purpose in the season's main storyline with Zod. Pandora sums up the Lois emphasis of the first half of the season.
jeannev
Nov. 21st, 2009 05:10 pm (UTC)
I guess we'll have to see. Lois seems to be their favorite new toy these days. Yes, a lot of that made sense with the whole vision of the future thing. Now, will it change? I guess we'll find out. She's now Clark's girlfriend, and that isn't usually a backseat role, except for Lana in S7.
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serenography
Nov. 21st, 2009 08:24 am (UTC)
I like to rewatch an episode at least once before I make any final judgments, but off the cuff, I was kind of disappointed in this one too. Aside from all the wtf? head-scratches that you listed above, I thought there was some incredibly clunky dialog in this one.

"Your reign of terror is over, Zod"??? My husband literally LOL'd.

I did really like the final Clark and Lois scene, if only because I loved seeing Clark so willing to put his cards on the table and confront the situation so openly and decisively. Refreshing, and a bit bittersweet. *sigh*

Agreed about being glad Stuart lived. I wonder if this will make him join Chloe's team on a full-time basis now?

At one point in the show tonight, I wondered out loud, "Does everyone in this show get to be a hero but Clark?" It gets frustrating.

I'm definitely going to rewatch this one because I invariably enjoy episodes a lot more on second viewings.

Oh, and I know everyone's supposed to pretend that Lana never existed on this show, but I couldn't help wondering how she would have factored in the post-Metropolis world where her Krypto-infused self would have been a very real threat to the Kandorans. I guess that's just one of the dark story writing holes that will never fit with the rest of the story.

jeannev
Nov. 21st, 2009 05:16 pm (UTC)
I agree with you on the dialogue. Not a good script at all. Especially glaring when you consider how well put together last weeks script was.

ITA on the final Clois scene. And it struck me how much better present day Clois played then the future Clois, which seemed a little off to me.

For a long time now, this show has worked very hard to make Clark just one of the heroes instead of making him THE HERO. I don't think I've ever seen a show work so hard to drag their main character back into the pack rather then let him shine. Here, I would even argue that Chloe and Oliver were written to be bigger, better, tougher heroes then our shell of a Clark. And for some reason, they consider this good writing. But see, for me, Clark falling to pieces over someone is NEVER a positive for Clark. I don't care who it is. Because he should be, and I beleive is, stronger then that. But its not about showing Clark off to his best advantage. Here, it was about writing Lois as the center of his universe. It was about her, not so much him.

On a 2nd viewing, I do have to say that Tom and Callum Blue really play well off each other, and thats a definite plus. I never really thought Tom and Sam Witwer sparked much.

And you know I'm not a huge Lana fan, but frankly, I am beyond tired of everyone pretending there was no Lana, and there is no Lana.
shopgirl318
Nov. 21st, 2009 08:55 am (UTC)
I agree with your review. It wasn't what I thought it was. Is it me or does Chloe look at Clark and Lois with disdain/like she tasted something foul. I wanted to smack her through the screen I am glad the Clark/Chloe friendship is strained. I tried to be zen about Chloe like goodvibe but she makes me want to go off on her so hard. "you can apologize to me later" how arrogant was that response, so friends aren't allowed to give there opinion now? I wonder if Clark is going to work on the inside out with whole zod thing? I loved clois as usual! I think the problem with the sex scenes is that they put them all together instead of keeping it like the preview clip was. it was a jumbled mess. I don't think they needed to show the middle, I get that they were fastfowarding some things but it was misplaced.

I also agree with another post, I don't think she is going to be in the first eps coming up in January. I think this kind of wrapped Lois up for now. I think they are going to focus on Tess/Clark/Zod plot line and I am not sure how Chloe or Oliver fits into this I don't read spoilers
jeannev
Nov. 21st, 2009 05:21 pm (UTC)
I just really expected this ep to rock, and it so didn't. In fact, aside from Roulette, I think this is the weakest ep of the season.

And YES! Chloe looks at Clark like he smells bad, and it not that different with Lois. And what was with the vitriol in her voice when she mentioned Clark sending Lois roses? She's just become so unpleasant to me.

And how about Clark apologizes when Chloe apologizes for her actions last season?

The sex scene was just so wrong. They needed a better set-up leading into it. They needed to slow down in the middle, so we could enjoy it. And they needed that beautiful aftermath that was in the leaked scene. What a freaking mess.

I don't want to talk spoilers, but the next 2 eps are Disciple (and Oliver-centric story), and then Warrior, which seems to have some significant Clois stuff in it. I don't know, I just don't know what to expect in terms of Lois.
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carolandtom
Nov. 21st, 2009 09:28 am (UTC)
You know, I haven't watched the episode yet and reading your post I don't know if I want to. No ofence to Lois fans, but I'm sick and tired of her having more screen time than Clark and I'm sick and tired of not knowing what role, if any, Clarks plays now in his own show other than being in love with her.

And I just can't stand the "it's all Clark's fault" thing another minute! People lie to him, betray him, hurt him and, in the end, it's all Clark's fault???!!!! Is that the only way those writers find to make a storyline be about him?

I want to see episodes that I can enjoy, or at least to not hate. I'm tired of hating the only show I'm unable to stop watching because of my love for the main character and actor. *sigh*
jeannev
Nov. 21st, 2009 05:23 pm (UTC)
Up to now, this really has been Lois' show. And if some people are happy with that, I understand. I'm not judging. But it isn't really what I was hoping for, and its not really the reason I watch the show.

I understand how confusing and frustrating it can be to love a main character, and watch the show for them, but find the show was aggravating. I often find myself struggling with that in regards to SV too.
agentobrian
Nov. 21st, 2009 11:52 am (UTC)
Average screentime:

Clark- 17m, 54s
Chloe- 7m, 16s
Lois- 19m, 16s
Oliver- 12m, 19s
Tess- 6m, 52s
Zod- 8m, 5s

Is The Lois Lane Show finally over? I feel like I've woken up from a bad dream. No one other than Clark, not even my Chloe, should ever get over 30 minutes of ST in one episode (I'll make an exception for Onyx because of the 2 Lexes, but that's it).

Hopefully, now that she no longer has access to the memories from the future, her presence will be lessened in the coming weeks, so that they can start focusing on.... what's his name? The big dude who can run really fast and lift super heavy things with one finger and do other impossible things? The guy who was supposedly the star of this show?

All joking aside, this episode sucked for me except for FutureChloe. Way too many plot holes, and the end scene made me very uncomfortable.
jeannev
Nov. 21st, 2009 05:26 pm (UTC)
I'm not sure any other character (other then Clark) has gotten such intensive focus over this sort of stretch of eps. I know that a lot of that has to do with shortchanging her over the last 2 seasons, them needing to play catch-up. But still, its a lot, and I do like Lois.

Hopefully, now that she no longer has access to the memories from the future, her presence will be lessened in the coming weeks, so that they can start focusing on.... what's his name? The big dude who can run really fast and lift super heavy things with one finger and do other impossible things? The guy who was supposedly the star of this show?


If this show has taught me anything over the last few seasons, its that I shouldn't hold my breath for this. Besides, with the guest star-arama they've got going, it doesn't seem to be in the cards.
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(Anonymous)
Nov. 21st, 2009 03:12 pm (UTC)
I have to say that this is probably right up there with Doomsday for me because not too many things in this episode made sense. The screentime totals were yet another indication of how Clark is not the main character anymore on this show.

I have two huge problems with this episode and of course, they have to do with Clark. First of all, since when did Clark develop such a love for Lois that he would turn his back on everyone just because of her? "Doomsday" sucked and I admit that I only watched it once, but Jimmy being killed was something that Clark was bothered by, right? I mean in that last scene with Chlark, he was a topic that was talked about between the two before Clark left. So now this season, everything is all about Clark's feelings for Lois. Once again, I refer to the middle of season 8 when Clark was with Lana. So I guess 8 episodes later, less actually since Lois wasn't in every single one of those episodes, Clark has gone from not having any problem with Lois being away from him to a guy who can't even function anymore without her in his life. Clois has been a problem for me since the middle of season 8 but it just gets worse and worse as time has gone on because TPTB are not explaining anything about it. All they're doing is piling on more and more things that don't make sense and certainly don't match what happened in previous episodes/seasons. Par for the course with this show.

Clois aside, that's not even the worst of this episode for me. Let's start with future Clark. How in the world would future Clark allow Zod to build a tower that could create a red sun? He's the blur who monitors everything in Metropolis and yet he was clueless about that. What BS. But that's ok. Clark has a chance to change that, right? So the solution that TPTB come up with is for Clark to be friends with Zod? WTF? This destroys the entire season right there and spits on Clark's character this year. Let's review...the Zod tower is the problem. As long as it doesn't get built, Zod doesn't gain powers. So why does Clark have to be friends with Zod in order to prevent this from happening? Also, Zod might be a threat right now, but he's not a threat to Clark because 1) he doesn't know him, or at least he didn't prior to Clark revealing himself to him at the end of the episode(more on that little gem later) and 2)he doesn't have powers. Why can't Clark just go to Jor-El and find a way to lock his ass up in the phantom zone? This isn't like Davis either who was trying to be good. Zod is pure evil and has already started killing people. I know that I've always said that Clark should interact with ZOd more, but if being friends with him is the way to do that, no thanks. Plus, I'm sure Clark will find a way to mess up later this season and we'll all come back to the brilliant "Pandora" to realize when it all went wrong.

Finally, it really is amazing how the two main problems that I had with this episode can come together to create another massive problem. In the very same episode, all happening in the span of about 10 minutes, Clark decides to start a relationship with Lois even though he can't be honest with her and he also outs himself as the blur to Zod? That is so outrageous that I am at a loss for words. Now Zod can go after Lois the second that Clark does something that he doesn't agree with in order to threaten him. My god, this is not a mistake that season 9 Clark should be making. Season 1 Clark wouldn't even do this. He wouldn't start a relationship with the girl if he felt that she could be in danger and he certainly wouldn't announce to his enemies that he has powers. Sorry for the long post but this episode was atrocious. I'm trying to find ways to like the show and even defend Clark with the decisions that he makes but TPTB are making it impossible for me to do so.
(Anonymous)
Nov. 21st, 2009 03:16 pm (UTC)
-M
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la_belle_isa
Nov. 21st, 2009 03:27 pm (UTC)
Wow. I haven't watch the episode yet but reading your review and a few others on TWU doesn't make me want to watch it. I'm in the same place as Carolandtom.
//Talk about a big fizzle with the Clark/Alia thing, eh? Why did she apologize to him for failing, and why did she touch his face tenderly in Savior? They apparently had no relationship to speak of. I smell a rewrite.//
Of course. Clark belongs to Lois now, so imo, he's not allowed to have a significant relationship with any other female. And maybe that's why the Chlark relationship sucks so much now. And God knows that someone apologizing to Clark certainly doesn't fit the pattern right?
jeannev
Nov. 21st, 2009 07:34 pm (UTC)
Oh, you should watch it. For one thing, you may feel differently. And for another, Tom is beautiful!

I had hoped that there were some kind of meaningful interaction there between Clark and Alia. But, oh well, guess not.

And the Chlark is a big unpleasant mess.
carolandtom
Nov. 21st, 2009 04:13 pm (UTC)
I watched the episode. Ugh! So much wrong in it I wouldn't even know where to start! And I fear things are even going to get worse in future episodes. These writers and producers have no love or respect for Clark/Superman. It's outrageous!

Right now, I can only pray SV ends soon so that I can spare myself the pain of seeing a character I've loved for so many years being destroyed like this.
jeannev
Nov. 21st, 2009 07:35 pm (UTC)
I can't say the spoilers we have for future eps fill me with confidence, no. :(

I know I'd be fine with S9 being the last, though I'm really going to miss Tom on my screen on a weekly basis.
tasabian
Nov. 21st, 2009 06:44 pm (UTC)
Excellent questions, all of them! This should have been an action packed episode but it felt so static, just a succession of characters talking in rooms. It also felt like a wasted chance to show that Clark is a hero, even without his powers. Once again, he's practically a bystander.

Who directed this ep?
Morgan Beggs - he's been assistant director on a number of SV episodes, but his only other solo credit is "Bulletproof."

Clark turned his back on Chloe and Oliver because they reminded him of Lois? Not because one stabbed him in the back symbolically, and the other one did it literally?
It was the perfect opportunity to deal with last season's betrayals...and they botch it to re-enforce a relationship which is already obvious.

I just can't work up any energy for this one - the one scene I liked was Zod dragging Clark along by the foot. (Poor Tom!) In style and pacing, it felt very similar to Doomsday which is a bad thing. "Bride" was a much better episode on which to go to hiatus.
jeannev
Nov. 21st, 2009 07:39 pm (UTC)
This should have been an action packed episode but it felt so static, just a succession of characters talking in rooms. It also felt like a wasted chance to show that Clark is a hero, even without his powers. Once again, he's practically a bystander.


YES to all of this.

God, the editing on this ep was horrendous. I don't always notice editing, but I couldn't avoid it on this one. Some scenes went on too long (Tess death scene, the Tess/Stuart scenes), and some scenes were too short (the love scene, the Clark/Zod stuff).

I don't know why Marshall or Winter, or some director with some experiance with SV, didn't have the reigns on this one.

I'm convinced they are just going to ignore anything Oliver and Chloe did in Doomsday. According to the show, they did nothing wrong, but Clark did! End of story. Assholes!

I was so disappointed that we just cut to Zod dragging Clark by the foot. When did he confront him? How did that happen? I wanted to see that! And I realize we couldn't see it because Lois didn't see it. Which was just freaking frustrating.

I agree that Bride was a much better mid-season cliffhanger. Though the last Clark/Zod scene was pretty well done.
dawnybee
Nov. 21st, 2009 07:00 pm (UTC)
I'm definitely going to rewatch, but my immediate feeling was disappointment. From their going the cheap route and just repurposing the Clark/Lois sex scenes from the previous clips, to the bad CGI to Clark taking blame to Clark has somehow become the follower, but not the leader to this taking care of Zod business to all the plot holes you listed. It all just bothered me.
jeannev
Nov. 21st, 2009 07:41 pm (UTC)
I swear, I've never wanted to hug my flist as tight as I do today, because really, I was beginning to think I saw a whole different show from some people. I can't believe the praise this one is getting from some. I respect it, of course. But I'm just confused.

I felt bothered by this one too. I think thats a good word to use.
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jeannev
Nov. 21st, 2009 07:45 pm (UTC)
Yeah, Stuart is alive. But WTF with Tess just shooting him in the back? That seemed irrational and extreme to me.

I really think TPTB try to come up with ways to make Clark look weak, when they really should be all about highlighting all the ways he's strong and inspirational. Its so confusing to me.

I have no problem with Clois. I have a problem with Clois being Clark's A #1 plotline, and it has been thus far. Will that change now? We'll see.

Chloe and Oliver are, right now, 2 characters that are used terribly in relation to Clark. Thats pretty much the bottom line.
goodvibe
Nov. 21st, 2009 07:35 pm (UTC)
I hated it. Hated the way Clark was written. Hated that the writers seemed hell bent on regressing him. And hated that they've set up an almost identical situation as the Clark / Davis one from last season, wrt Clark making the wrong decision / stance.
jeannev
Nov. 21st, 2009 07:46 pm (UTC)
I was really wondering how you'd feel about it. I figured we'd be on the same page, but I wasn't sure.

What can I say? ITA with you. It doesn't bode well. Not even a little.
twdiva
Nov. 21st, 2009 11:42 pm (UTC)
I can see where those who hate this episode due to the writing for the characters are coming from. I had a a few 'Huh?' and a couple of WTF moments myself and thought some of the editing was choppy. But I was still really entertained by the episode, even moreso than Idol, actually, due to the epic, end-of-the-world scenario which I find intriguing.

The self-blame that seems embedded in Clark now just tends to go in one ear and out the other with me these days. And as for this befriending of Zod issue, I'll just wait and see where they take it; even if they repeat their mistakes from the past and take it in the 'Clark's wrong again' direction, I'm at the point where I won't be jeering so much as just ignoring it.
twdiva
Nov. 21st, 2009 11:47 pm (UTC)
Oh, forgot to say that, unlike last week where I felt Clark was in the episode less than his screen time totals said otherwise, your screen time totals for Clark and my gut feeling match up better for Pandora. It felt to me like he had a greater on-screen presence this week.
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(Anonymous)
Nov. 23rd, 2009 12:48 am (UTC)
I think the second half will see conflicts between Clark, Chloe/ Oliver, and Tess in what to do with Zod after seeing and learning about the alternate future. Right now, we just saw what Clark does with his knowledge of the future and that's to befriend Zod. We need to see what Chloe, Oliver, and Tess do on their ends.
jeannev
Nov. 23rd, 2009 03:22 am (UTC)
Maybe. I guess we'll see. We don't have many spoilers for the 2nd half, thought what we do have doesn't seem to be signaling a huge change from what we've already gotten.

I don't know, I suspect TPTB are pretty enamoured with this whole "Clarks llife revolves around Lois" thing. I just don't see that changing.
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(Anonymous)
Nov. 23rd, 2009 03:55 am (UTC)
The more I think about it, the more I think that it was a big mistake for Clark to find out this version of the future. It not only led to questionable choices that Clark made in "Pandora", but it's really going to annoy me if Clark dating Lois is the main attraction the rest of the season while his storyline with Zod gets pushed off to the side. Dealing with Zod should really become the number one priority in Clark's life right now, because many people were killed because of Zod, and I don't think that the writers are capable of making that happen all season long from this point. I really don't want to watch an episode where Zod is plotting something huge and Clark is oblivious to it all because he's enjoying his time with Lois. TPTB have not proven to me that they can balance this type of stuff out. But that's the problem with Clark being given too much information this early in the season.

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jeannev
Nov. 23rd, 2009 05:22 pm (UTC)
Well, and you know thats precisely whats going to happen. SV has been making this mistake, in one form or another, since...well, maybe S4? Its like it wants to be 2 shows, and just isn't cognizant of how that reflects on Clark.

I'm not entirely sure why Clark should be dwelling on his love life at all right now. And I'm not saying that he doesn't deserve love and happiness, because Hello? Duh? Have you met me? But what I am saying is that with him still trying to balance his human and krytonian sides, and with him just starting to train with Jor-El this year (somewhere, in Offscreensville), and now with the Zod stuff, does this really seem like the right time? I know people keep talking about how he's mature, and knows what he wants, and all that, but isn't part of being mature knowing when you can't have something just because you want it, and knowing that sometimes the time isn't right?
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jeannev
Nov. 23rd, 2009 05:18 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I know what you mean. I love this show, I really do. But sometimes I wish I wasn't so attached to Clark/Tom so I could dump it. It disappoints me more often then I'm entirely comfortable with.
gildinwen
Nov. 24th, 2009 09:02 am (UTC)
Just a drive by....more later.
I think one of the problems with this episode was that the memories of the future were from Lois's point of view. So non of the questions we wanted answered were.
jeannev
Nov. 24th, 2009 02:29 pm (UTC)
Re: Just a drive by....more later.
Thats true, but I can't help but better writers could've handled it better. Lois' POV or not, we should've been presented with a Clark that had more fortitude.
eeyore1017
Nov. 25th, 2009 03:57 am (UTC)
Like others have said, I'm hoping that Lois' big arc is over now and that the rest of the season will focus on Clark and that he will have the most screen time. I know that Disciple will be Oliver-centric and that Society and the episode after Legends will probably be Tom-lite, but...What was my point again? Oh yeah, except for all that other nonsense I just mentioned, hopefully we'll be seeing a lot more of Clark/Tom!

I had various issues with this episode. One that keeps coming to mind is how Chloe got so upset when Clark had blood drawn with a needle dipped in Kryptonite in Rabid, but was rather hard and blase about him being in a room full of it for an extended period of time and passing out from the pain. Oh Chloe...

I also thought it was way random that Tess shot Stuart. And that in the context of the timeline, the Clark & Lois love scene made no sense (but gave us Shirtless!Tom!) and that Alia's connection to Clark from Savior made no sense in the context of Pandora...I could go on, but I'll stop there.

At least Tom/Clark looked SUPER, MEGA HOT & SEXY! :-)

Edited at 2009-11-25 03:57 am (UTC)
jeannev
Nov. 25th, 2009 04:11 am (UTC)
I just really don't know what to expect for the upcoming focus of the show. I can only say that up to this point, the show seems to be written with Lois as the central character. So, was that a temporary arc, or is this going to their MO all season? I don't know. Last season, when Chloe was the center of their world, that pretty much held all season long. And in regards to Lois, they really have made Clark as all about her, to the same degree that he's been all about Lana in the past. And we all know how that goes with these writers.

I found myself just feeling rather plagued by questions with this ep, and I found that I just really couldn't enjoy it.

As for Chloe's inconsistencies, well, thats just SV for you. Characters change on a dime to serve a plot.

I thought the writing for Tess in this episode was almost as terrible as the writing for Clark. To me, they are the 2 characters that just really got the short end of the writing stick.

I hope the Alia story is still to be uncovered, because if not, they totally fucked that up!

But yes, Tom was absolutely, mind numbingly gorgeous! What a beautiful, sexy man.
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(Anonymous)
Nov. 25th, 2009 12:35 pm (UTC)
Pandora...messs!!!
Well...I'm late as usually. I only get to watch the ep. when everyone else as seen it at least 3 times but with the new job and moving to a new apartment my life is chaotic. So I turn to SV to comfort and what do I get? The ingredients for a nervous breakdown that's what!I mean I spent the entire ep. going "what the hell are they doing?" (And by they I mean TPTB in general.)I rushed here to look for some enlightnment; and this time I passed the ST and went directly for your review.God Bless You...I'm not going crazy; others see it to *nods at your post*.I know it will take me a while to organize my thoughts but so far all I can say is I was too angry to enjoy this ep. I mean: say what? Where the hell are they going with this?The first half of the season is done, OK but what exactly have they DONE?They went full circle: initiated and completed and arc(Lois future!backs)but how does that serve the purpose of the show? Apart from a few good moments the whole plot so far seems disjointed. 9 ep. down the drain...OK I maybe I'm exaggerating just a bit!!! *taking a deep breath*.And I'm already suffering in antecipation:I'm concerned where this is going in regards to the second half of the season .And it's not only Tom's ST(and boy do I have a problem with that, for reasons previously mentioned)it's the storyline really.Do I enjoy seeing THE BEAUTTY? Hell yeah, but there has to be something more.There are potentially interesting plotlines to be developed.So why aren't they? Why do they insist in making our hero look weak?They are pushing forward to a S10 and THAT will be an interesting one. But until then people?I agree with your last comment: maybe they used the " vision-of the-FUTURE-plotline" too soon.And as far as focusing on the Clark and Lois relationship, I also think that should have left to S10. Right know the focus should have been primarily on Clark dealing with his humanity and the conflicts emerging from him being in touch with his kryptonian roots(it doesn't take a genius to know there is some juicy writing material there).Even that major aspect of the plot has been tainted these 9 ep. I mean I know that a large part of the fandom is pleased(and I'm pleased for them) but I can't help but feeling a bit disappointed with the much awaited love scenes.They did gave us shirtless Tom and that's only a positive thing *duhhh!* but...I don't know. And Chloe? I don't even want to go there right now.For heaven's sake Tom , save us from this. I demand an interview during the hiatus.OK not demand but prettyplease!!!
Theresa S
(Anonymous)
Nov. 25th, 2009 12:40 pm (UTC)
Sorry!!!
Sorry for the long post and the angry tone but this ep ( and the 8 before that really ) just made my head explode.I mean we all know each season has some AU ep. but this time they decided to put them all together at the beginning? This is too much even for SV.
# T S #
jeannev
Nov. 25th, 2009 02:30 pm (UTC)
Re: Sorry!!!
You never need to apologize for a long post or an angry tone. Both are OK here, as are SQUEEEE's and one liners. I'm an equal opportunity journal, LOL

I think, for me, the biggest piece of what is missing is a clear and coherent POV from Clark, and this episode was just more of what came before. It isn't that Heroic!Blur!Clark! isn't great, and I love seeing taking charger and being more assertive. But on the other side, I'm not sure I've ever felt more remote from the character, who seems less our POV character and more a character thats being viewed through the lens of other characters. Even when Lana was the obsession of AlMiles, I never felt that perspective. But I do now.

As this season started, I was very much of them picking a ship and sailing it! And to that end, I'm glad they firmly committed to the Clois. But, they are pretty much turning that into Clark's biggest plotline/motivation/reason for existing, and thats just not something I'm down with. Or will ever be down with. Its always something of a head scratcher to me why we have Clark saying something like "I turned my back on...because it hurt too much to be reminded of you" or "I died when you left", and thats supposed to be swoony and romantic, but I very much doubt anyone would be cheering Lois on if she similarly gave up if Clark was lost to her. Ya know what I'm saying?

I do understand some of that were doing with this episode, and I just think it really comes down to them not taking that time to put in tiny little touches that allow our main hero to shine...even in an episode where he's fought, and lost. A moment of showing Clark stand up for a random prisoner in the barn, a reference to the more plausible reason for an estrangement from Oliver/Chloe, etc. Its so very easy to include moments like these, and they can mean so much. And there's absolutely no reason that this whole ep being from Lois POV would preclude that. But they just don't care enough to do it.

As for where the season is going, from what I can tell, we're headed for more of Clark being all about Lois, and then the Zod plot. I don't know where some of the recurring guest stars are going to fit in.

As for this season being about Clark finding a way to balance his human and Kryptonian side, I guess thats mostly happening in Offscreensville, because it sure as hell doesn't feel like any main plot to me.
(Anonymous)
Nov. 25th, 2009 08:27 pm (UTC)
I pretty much agree with everything you have said. I don't think Lois would die if Clark went missing, so I don't see how it benefits Clark's character to write him that way. I don't understand why Clark is still sleeping with people without telling them he is an alien. I want to like Clark and I hate it when they write him like this. Once again they are setting up Clark to fail and Chloe and Oliver will be right.
Tess now does whatever the plot calls for. I don't mind Clois, but I don't understand why Clark thinks it is good have a girlfriend right now. I hated that Lois lost her memories and everyone else knows about them. I understood Clark lying in the earlier seasons, but I don't understand why he is keeping Lois in the dark when everyone else knows. It is almost if they are treating her like a child.
Hopefully the writing gets better in the second half and Clark goes back to being the POV character.
jeannev
Nov. 25th, 2009 09:02 pm (UTC)
I've never understood why people found it swoony for Clark to act about their favorite girl in a way they wouldn't want her to act over him, ya know? I know plenty of people were bent out of shape that Lois fell in love with Clark first, and he didn't seem to notice...but many wanted precisely that situation in reverse.

Why? Why the double standard?

If anything bad really happened to Lois, I'd expect Clark to grieve very deeply, and always hold her in his heart. But I'd also expect him to soldier on, and still be a hero. I wouldn't expect him to walk away from people in his life.

I really don't feel I have a lot of POV from Clark on why he thinks its a good idea to date Lois right now aside from...he wants to. And that would be fine, if he didn't have all this other shit in his life. And still, I could get behind it if they would just let Clark verbalize why he just can't stop himself right now, and how he rationalizes it. I had to laugh a little when he said to Lois "then lets do it right" when he's starting the relationship with this great big untruth between them. It seem like a dichotomy to me.

I have no hope that Clark will go back to being the central/POV character. I just don't foresee it on the horizon. I think the best we can hope for is a decent Clark filtered through the lens of another character.
tariel22
Nov. 27th, 2009 10:24 pm (UTC)
I asked myself a lot of these same questions when I watched the episode. I could offer the answers I came up with for some of them, but what would they be but more fanwanking? It's so discouraging to me that the writers don't ask these questions first, and then fix the script before they start filming!

I think what I had the hardest time with in Pandora was how much I loved Tom's performance, but at the same time found what Clark was saying and doing so completely problematic. I just wanted to lose myself in the emotion he displayed, the tenderness, the regret, the love, but my brain kept intruding, saying how? And why? And WTF?

The pretty left me speechless. My God, this man. He makes me forgive so much.
jeannev
Nov. 27th, 2009 11:56 pm (UTC)
I always think the inspiration to fanwank is relative to your overall satisfaction with the material. If you are loving something, then maybe you don't mind having to wank so much.

For me? I think I'm just too tired, and I just don't feel as though I should have to work this hard.

Tom was totally wonderful. Clark? Not one of his stronger eps for me.

But whatever, I can watch Tom Welling do just about anything.
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brijeana
Dec. 2nd, 2009 02:05 am (UTC)
Wanking and Hoping
Ouch! You really didn't like this one.

From a Clark/Blur POV, this episode was really weak. All of Clark's hero action happened offscreen, partly because the Clark/Zod confrontation happened before Lois got to the future and partly because Lois' POV was restricted.

The screentime doesn't really reflect where the action was. This seemed like a Chloe/Tess/Stuart episode to me. Clark had already been defeated. Zod was so drunk on victory that he wasn't really fighting anymore as much as trying to protect the tower's weaknesses. Lois was really more of an observer than anything else. Even Oliver was part of Chloe's resistance force and not the leader. Even during the last stand, everyone got an onscreen hero moment except for Clark. The confrontation between Clark and Zod happened offscreen (out of Lois' presence).

I think the dialog was bad at times. I didn't like Clark's line about Chloe and Oliver reminding him of Lois. I think it's disrespectful of his relationships with Chloe and Oliver over the years - the bulk of his relationships with those two have nothing to do with Lois. Chloe was his best friend at one point and he bonded with Oliver over becoming a super hero. And as you've pointed out, Clark has a lot of good reasons not to trust them that have nothing to do with Lois.

I also think Clark's conclusions based on Lois' vision were weak. How can he really judge his confrontation with Zod, when he didn't get to see it? How can Clark know that he's doing anything differently than he did in Lois' vision? Coming out of the vision, I was siding with Chloe and Oliver that the tower was the most important information, not diplomacy with Zod.

I think expecting the worst is a good idea when it comes to Smallville.

So, why do I expect that the show is setting Clark up for another "Its all my fault" plot line?

Please God no!

Why would the black shirt with the symbol Lois had never seen before mean anything to her?

Hahaha!

How did Zod know Clark's birth name was Kal-El?

Maybe Clark's show down with Zod (in Offscreenville) was in the fortress!

How did Zod know Lois had the Legion ring tucked in her pocket?

X-ray vision?

If Chloe had a virus that would disable the ray from the Tower (and did anyone else get Independence Day flashbacks?), why hadn't she pulled that trigger before?

Chloe and the resistance learned more about the towers and figured out what sort of virus would disable the ray AFTER the restricted zone had been evacuated.

I though Chloe and Oliver had a whole group of followers. Where were they towards the end?

Hiding behind lead stuff. That's my argument (fan wank) for why Chloe had to join Lois in her hiding place.

Clark turned his back on Chloe and Oliver because they reminded him of Lois? Not because one stabbed him in the back symbolically, and the other one did it literally? And Clark is the big asshole for it, obviously, and has pretty much done nothing right? Wow show, you kinda suck for that.

Yeah. That sucks.

All I know is that the show I watched in S8 did not have Clark, or Lois, in a place where the Clark and Lois in this episode made sense to me.

Well considering the way that Clark went straight for Lois' buttons, he was in seize the day for tomorrow you may die mode. It's that whole end of the world romance thing. After so many months of brooding in the consentration camp about Lois, I'm sure nostalgia played a big part too.

And frankly, I don't think Lois' would be all about having the sex here either.

Not even I suddenly love you post apocalyptic Terminator sex?

Not to mention the HORRIBLE MONTAGE!!

Yes, recycled montage was lame. But before recycled montage... that was hot!

I really want a very long, in sequential order, Clois sex scene. The present day Clois was wonderful! I loved the writing of that scene.

brijeana
Dec. 2nd, 2009 02:05 am (UTC)
More Wanking and Hoping
I continue to loathe Clark/Chloe scenes. They have become incredibly unpleasant to watch.

I agree with your post on K-site. They just need to hash things out.

So, Chloe is pretty much in charge of the whole WT/JLA thing now, right? And everyone is just supposed to do what she says?

Well in the future she was but... not in the present. GOD no! I hope not. I don't think Oliver works for her.

I don't get why Tess thought siding with Zod would save the Earth.

I'm hoping to see more of this as the show goes on. I'm very excited for this actually. She and Chloe were really fighting for something in the future. I think maybe Zod was rounding up the humans rather than killing them off because of Tess. Also, a human joining the Kandorian army? Tess probably saw that as a huge step for human/Kandori relations.

And now she's just shooting minions in the back?

She told him she'd kill him if he didn't get what she wanted in... was it "Echo"? She's a woman of her word I guess. When I watched it I thought she shot Stuart in the head.

If Zod was trying to convince Clark to join him, why would he be keeping him at the Kent Farm instead of keeping him closer to him at the mansion?

Well when you can fly... it's no biggie to bring Clark over for... whatever. But what has Zod conquered? Kansas? If he's taken over the world why camp out in Lex Luthor's house?

Why would Alia give a crap about a humans old watch? Is she going to pawn it?

LOL! I know. I really thought she wouldn't accept it. Maybe she's a Kal-el fangirl deep down.

Talk about a big fizzle with the Clark/Alia thing, eh? Why did she apologize to him for failing, and why did she touch his face tenderly in Savior? They apparently had no relationship to speak of. I smell a rewrite.

Hmm... That's very interesting. Maybe they had a relationship... and that's why she took his watch. Maybe she knew how much it meant to him.

Why did Alia have her powers when she followed Lois back to the present time? And where did she get Blue Kryptonite? And why would she have to use it? (going back to Savior)

Someone came up with a wank that I liked. Something about having power at night... that they would have stored up some of the solar energy... radiation... whatever.

So, Lois lost her memory of the events because it was traumatic? Thats it? Thats the big explanation?

As much as I enjoy Emil Hamilton, I never really listen to what he's saying. In one ear and out the other. I just love his manner! He's almost like a spoof of a doctor/scientist. <3

I'm not a shipper. I've never been a shipper when it comes to SV. And this episode reminds me why I'm not. I just really don't enjoy when a relationship, any relationship, becomes Clark's raison d'etre. Its just not my thing.

Mine either... but I can wank my way out of it in this instance.

Having said that, the final Clois scene at the DP was one of the few in the episode that worked for me. It was very cute, and Tom sold it completely.

<3

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