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Idol Screentime Totals

I'm too tired to write a review for Idol tonight. Suffice to say that I liked it well enough, but I also had some issues with it.

I'll do the screentimes behind a cut, just in case anyone considers them spoilerish

Type your cut contents here.'


Running Time: 41m, 21s

Clark: 21m, 25s
Chloe: 5m, 34s
Lois: 26m, 30s

And the Wonder Twins in Human Form only:

Jayna: 5m, 56s
Zan: 5m, 28s

Year to Date:

Clark: 139m, 6s
Chloe: 53m, 57s
Lois: 121m, 26s (7)
Oliver: 76m, 55s (6)
Tess: 37m, 52s (6)
Zod: 30m, 42s (4)


So, in the 7 eps in which both Clark and Lois have appeared, Lois has more screentime (and I'd say focus) in 5 out of 7 of those eps.

I like Lois. And I think ED is doing a great job. But there's something wrong with that picture.

Comments

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kissme_myfool
Nov. 14th, 2009 06:07 am (UTC)
Very wrong.

*sigh* still waiting on the Chloe scenes to appear on youtube...all 5 min worth of it :/
jeannev
Nov. 15th, 2009 02:56 am (UTC)
I didn't like them so much, but she looked great. She wore a really fierce suit.
starry_dawn
Nov. 14th, 2009 06:54 am (UTC)
I think it's a compliment to ED that her increased screentime hasn't been that jarring, but I have to say that if this had been Chloe instead of Lois, all hell would've broken loose in fandom by now.
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starry_dawn
Nov. 14th, 2009 06:50 pm (UTC)
I understand what you're saying, and I agree with the logic. It does make more sense for Lois to have a bigger part now than Chloe, and I respect that. It's why I haven't had such a major problem with Lois's screentime. (In fact, on some levels I'm even happy about it, because the more screentime Chloe gets, the more they find ways to screw her up.) Also, a majority of Lois's storyline has to do with Clark (unlike Chloe at this point), so it doesn't detract from Clark the way it would if it was a character who had a storyline separate from Clark (like Oliver did in S6).

The thing is that they're so close to Clark becoming Superman at this stage, that they're just finding ways to stall it until they reach their finale, which doesn't seem to be anytime soon. Of course, I prefer this to a Clark who has regressed back to earlier seasons just to make time for him to get back to where he is right now, but it still bugs me that they want to continue on with another season of the show, when it's abundantly clear that they've already reached the point they should be for the series to end logically.
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starry_dawn
Nov. 15th, 2009 10:02 am (UTC)
Precisely. To me, it bottom-lines out to this much: it's Clark's show, and if they don't have anything more to do with his character, then it's time to end it. No matter how much they have planned for Lois or Chloe, the show ends when Clark's story ends. And if "ending" here means "becoming Superman", then I think they're there already.
sunflowercyn10
Nov. 14th, 2009 07:55 pm (UTC)
Just wanted to say I thought your explained the screentime issue Clark vs Lois and why very well.
jeannev
Nov. 15th, 2009 02:55 am (UTC)
OMG, I'm FLIPPING out on you SO BAD!!

HeeHeeHeeHee....no, I'm not.

Overall, I don't completely disagree with you. I agree that its the time in the story when Lois should step forward and take much more precence on the show, and in Clark's life. There, we are in perfect harmony.

However, when I'm talking about reactions to Lois' screentime in comparison to the reaction if Chloe got the same, or even the reaction to the screentime Lana got previously, there is where I think we are in disagreement.

I'm all for Lois being prominent, and I've said as much lots of time. I am NOT in favor of Lois being MORE prominent then Clark. And honestly, I'm kinda feeling that way. I've often said that I consider "Clark" screentime as something different from "Clois" screentime, or "Clana" screentime in the past. Even "Chlark". And the reason for that is, for me, I always feel like these 'ships are written to feature, and benefit, the female in the pairing. But not so much Clark. And although Clark has been great this year, thats pretty much how I see the writing for Clois. It really is all about Lois, for the most part. We know far less about what Clark is feeling, or why he's fallen for Lois, or how he envisions this relationship working out. But we do know all that for Lois. Clark is often reacting to Lois.

So, to sum up...Lois with good screentime and prominence in the storyline=Good! Lois with more screentime then Clark, and more POV in the storyline=Not So Good!

I've always personally felt that this show isn't a true ensemble, and Clark shouldn't just be one of the cast. But right now, it is, and he is. And the "I Love Lois" show is a pretty apt description of what SV is at the moment. And I get that works for people, and thats fine. But I'm just not wired that way, and its just not what I think the show should be. Even now.
svfan01
Nov. 15th, 2009 12:22 pm (UTC)
While I get what your saying about Lois screentime in relation to Clark, I do think there is a difference when it's Lois screentime that directly involves Clark then when it's Character X paired with character Y that isn't in Clark. In the case of Lana sure her story invovled Clark at times in S6, but many times Clark was a non factor other then sitting in his barn moping about her. Chloe and Davis had even less involvement on Clark's side. In the case of Lois' screentime, the only stuff I would have cut out this year was the Ollie/Lois stuff. That to me was a waste of time(and why even bring it back when they came to such a good conclusion in Bride last year)

On a slightly different note, I always liked Clark paired with Lois because for the most part the storyline doesn't involve Clark feeling depressed about his life or full of angst. I also feel Lois doesn't really step over her bounds in terms of Clark's heroics.
jade4813
Nov. 14th, 2009 07:16 am (UTC)
Looking forward to reading your thoughts on the episode!
jeannev
Nov. 15th, 2009 02:57 am (UTC)
Its mostly good, actually. But I'm pretty predictable in that the ongoing screentime trend is an issue for me.
carolandtom
Nov. 14th, 2009 09:15 am (UTC)
But there's something wrong with that picture.

VERY wrong. We were not supposed to be signing up for "Lois and Clark" with heavy emphasis on the Lois part of the title. *tired and frustrated sigh*
jeannev
Nov. 15th, 2009 02:57 am (UTC)
Honestly Carol, I guess thats what it is now. I don't see it changing anytime soon.
jlvsclrk
Nov. 14th, 2009 11:17 am (UTC)
Sigh. It is absurd, though it makes sense in a Smallville way - Lois was so under utilized in previous seasons that it must be quite easy for writers to find stories to tell about her. Her time in this episode, which I always thought sounded Lois-centric, doesn't bother me nearly as much as the extra time spent on her and Ollie in Saviour and Metallo. Cut out those scenes, which were SOOOOO redundant, and have a little more time with Clark at the Fortress or just saving the world and those two episodes could have been fantastic.
jeannev
Nov. 15th, 2009 02:59 am (UTC)
I understand giving Lois much more screentime and prominence, and I don't have an issue with that (bolded for emphasis, in general).

But more then Clark? I'm not so down with that. Here, in this ep, it would've been fine, if it wasn't the 5th time this season she seemed to play a bigger part in the episode then Clark himself.
agentobrian
Nov. 14th, 2009 11:48 am (UTC)
Average screentime:

Clark- 17m, 23s
Chloe- 6m, 45s
Lois- 17m, 21s
Oliver- 12m, 49s
Tess- 6m, 19s
Zod- 7m, 40s

I just want to scream. No one other than Clark should be averaging that much time, not Lois, not Chloe, not Oliver, nobody. Lately it feels like The Lois Lane Show guest starring Clark Kent with Chloe as a glorified extra.

I don't have an issue with Lois getting screentime. Everyone deserves to get some focus on this show, even Lois. But they're going way too far. Next week is probably going to be worse.
jeannev
Nov. 15th, 2009 03:01 am (UTC)
Thats pretty much where I'm coming from. And yeah, I don't see it changing. I think this is part of "all those stories we have left to tell" Souders/Peterson were talking about. They just weren't stories with Clark as the central character.
tjw_jaypat
Nov. 14th, 2009 11:55 am (UTC)
I wouldn´t even mind to watch a Lois&Clark show if it were a Clark(&Lois) show. (At least I enjoy their banter more than seeing Clark dragged across the floor by Zod or one of his minions, as we saw in this future scene.) But this really turns into Loisville with Clark as a supporting character. :(
jeannev
Nov. 15th, 2009 03:02 am (UTC)
I like a lot of the Clois stuff. I really do. But like you, I wish I felt as though this relationship was written a bit more from Clark's POV. Hell, I still have all these questions of where Clark is at emotionally. I know he's into Lois, but not much more then that. Why is that? Because the story just isn't focusing on him all that much.
(Anonymous)
Nov. 14th, 2009 03:51 pm (UTC)
This was a tough episode to judge because Clark did have a lot of screentime. So I don't think that this is one of those episodes where it's clear that TW was off doing other things instead of acting. This was just an episode where Clark was beat again by another regular on this show. Lois, in this case. But I do think that the absence of Tess, Zod and Oliver have really helped Clark's screentime in this episode. When all or most of the regulars are featured in an episode, which is going to happen a lot this season, Clark's character will suffer.

Now, there is something that I take from this episode and I've said it before and I have to say it again. I really don't think TPTB know what to do with Clark. There's really no journey for his character. He's basically at the point where he's the blur(superman) and since he's not going to fly until the end of the series, there's not much more to be done. That's where all of this Clois stuff comes in. TPTB are using Clois to beef up Clark's role on this show. Take Clois away, and Clark probably has less screentime than Chloe, which is pretty sad. Clana got a lot of focus throughout all of the seasons of this show but that relationship was never Clark's entire story. Right now, Clois is Clark's story. The writers can continue to tell us that they have plenty of stories left to tell, but I know what that is code for. They have plenty of new characters to introduce so that they can tell THEIR stories.

I think that I'm starting to come to terms with the fact that Smallville is not Smallville anymore. Like, at all. The show has really taken more of a Lois and Clark kind of direction. Look at Chloe's character. As a 22 episode regular, she has no screentime. The issue that I have with this season is that TPTB, much like last season, did not do their job in setting up this "new" Smallville. You can't go from giving Chloe tons of screentime last year, which should never have happened, to giving Chloe practically no screentime this year. You can't go from having Lois around for 12 episodes while not having a lot to do with the main plot to giving her more episodes and throwing her into the main plot of the season. Same thing with Clois because we're still coming off a year where Clark was with Lana. If I hadn't watched this show the last 8 years and only saw season 9, I would think that Clark and Lois were in love since the pilot episode. There's really just no balance to this show. It's all or nothing based on what storylines TPTB happen to want to do in the current season.
(Anonymous)
Nov. 14th, 2009 03:52 pm (UTC)
I always forget this.

^^-M
tjw_jaypat
Nov. 14th, 2009 04:46 pm (UTC)
[quote]Now, there is something that I take from this episode and I've said it before and I have to say it again. I really don't think TPTB know what to do with Clark. There's really no journey for his character. He's basically at the point where he's the blur(superman) and since he's not going to fly until the end of the series, there's not much more to be done. That's where all of this Clois stuff comes in. TPTB are using Clois to beef up Clark's role on this show. Take Clois away, and Clark probably has less screentime than Chloe, which is pretty sad. Clana got a lot of focus throughout all of the seasons of this show but that relationship was never Clark's entire story. Right now, Clois is Clark's story. The writers can continue to tell us that they have plenty of stories left to tell, but I know what that is code for. They have plenty of new characters to introduce so that they can tell THEIR stories.[/quote]
You hit the nail on the head there! That about sums it up. :(
jeannev
Nov. 15th, 2009 03:07 am (UTC)
I sort of think TPTB got tired of focusing on Clark around S6. Thats when I noticed a big change. I'm sure writing for Lois feels really fresh and exciting for them since they didn't really write that much for her previously. And I get that, but this isn't supposed to be the Lois show. It isn't even supposed to be the Lois & Clark show.

Right now, yes, Clark's main storyline is Clois. I've never been a fan of Clark's main storyline being a 'ship, even when its one this important.

Like you, I think the transistion from the 2nd half of S8 to this season has been LOUSY. A lot of what we are seeing now required short term memory loss
svfan01
Nov. 15th, 2009 12:32 pm (UTC)
I would argue signs of Clark taking a lesser role started happening as early as S3. The first couple seasons seemed to be all about Clark, S3 seeemed to shift focus a little. S4 got slightly worse in that reguard by putting a decent amount of focus on Lana vs Lionel and the Teagues. By S5 it seemed the writers started looking at Clark like a trophy just ment to be used to satisfy shipper groups(I could go into a big long essay how Chloe should not have been put in alot of Clark hero storylines just to give her something to do, but that is another subject).

I guess S6 was bad in the sense having the 2 top male stars fighting over Lana was like a really bad soap opera. Thanksfully the Ollie/Lois/Clark stuff was minimal, but even at that I wish they never even brought it up. It definantly crossed that Lana line of to much focus on her
tasabian
Nov. 14th, 2009 06:22 pm (UTC)
I'll be interested to see if the writers answer your tweet about Tom's screen-time. I wonder if the Big Guy lurks around twitter himself?

I didn't like Idol much, despite Clark getting a decent amount of air time. Well-directed and the Wonder Twins were actually likeable (charming scene with Clark at the end.) Great clothes on everyone this week - loved Lois's pencil skirt.

But I found the dialogue very poor - for everyone - and disliked the scenes of Lois with the therapist. If those scenes had been cut, the scene where Lois hears a snippet of Clark's voice and knows he's the Blur, would actually have carried more impact, IMO. The therapy scenes just restated what the audience already knows & slowed the plot.

But A++++ to the lingering pan of Tom's chest at the beginning. Whoa, baby!
jeannev
Nov. 15th, 2009 03:10 am (UTC)
Oh, no way do they answer. I think I'd faint if they did.

I liked the Wonder Twins too. All 6m they had on screen. Serious B plot there.

I know the therapy scenes were to show us where Lois is at emotionally. But ya know, I sort of knew already. I'd like to know where Clark is at emotionally. I still have no clue how he thinks this relationship is going to work with him being unwilling to tell Lois the truth. I know almost nothing about where he's coming from emotionally, aside from knowing, without a doubt, that he's into Lois.

But Lois gets therapy sessions explaining her POV. Um, OK.

Tom is so Sexy! Yum.
twdiva
Nov. 14th, 2009 06:29 pm (UTC)
I'm surprised Clark had that much screen time, because while watching it I felt like there was so much more Lois. I think it was due to the therapy scenes; they felt long and I just wanted to get to the action. I liked the episode but am disappointed that the scene that had me looking forward to it the most was cut out.
jeannev
Nov. 15th, 2009 03:12 am (UTC)
I was actually surprised too. I was thinking less then 20m, so his time was a pleasant surprise. I think it might not have felt that way because Lois was so much more of a central figure in the ep, and had so much more POV.

I liked the ep too, but I'm also disappointed that this seems to be what the show is going to be like this season, and its not really what I was hoping for.
sunflowercyn10
Nov. 14th, 2009 07:54 pm (UTC)
Looking forward to reading your thoughts on the episode Val.
jeannev
Nov. 15th, 2009 03:13 am (UTC)
There coming. I'm hoping to post them tonight.

Really, they are largely favorable. My issues are more of a big picture/season thus far variety.
shopgirl318
Nov. 14th, 2009 08:54 pm (UTC)
I agree. I can't wait to hear your thoughts either, though I enjoyed the episode for what it was entertainment value. Clark was being his awesome self in the episode, which is why I don't have a problem with his screentime. I just wish they written him like this from seasons 4-7. The show could use a little more balance though. The lois/therapist scenes dragged on but I appreciated the light that they put her in. If they would have had maybe 1 or 2 scenes in therapy it would have been fine. I did like the ending as a semi setup for pandora.
jeannev
Nov. 15th, 2009 03:15 am (UTC)
It was entertaining, I agree. And if it was the first ep of the season like this, or even the 2nd, I'd be fine with it. But its not, so its sort of an accumulative effect.

Clark is awesome this season. But thats part of my frustration. I want this awesome Clark more on my screen, more front and center, and I want more POV from him. He's great! Why should I want to see less of him?
shopgirl318
Nov. 15th, 2009 06:52 pm (UTC)
That is true. Goodvibe was also saying that also, hopefully that will change. I am gonna be optimistic since his screen time has been getting better though. I don't think I have ever fangirrled Clark this hard before, I have had my momnts but never for a full season.
(Anonymous)
Nov. 14th, 2009 11:05 pm (UTC)
The only reason Lois had more screentime than Clark is because of the therapy and rooftop scenes. The therapy scenes were unnecessary because we already knew what was in Lois' head back in Echo when Clark used the thought-hearing powers on her. Even though Lois' storyline is linked to Clark's, they're doing it the wrong way by using her viewpoint instead. The first half of the 9th season is the equivalent of the second half of the 8th season, where it wasn't Clark-centric.
It's basically a flipside.
jeannev
Nov. 15th, 2009 03:17 am (UTC)
Yeah, thats one of the points I will make about Idol in my review, which is...didn't we already know where Lois was emotionally in regards to Clark and The Blur? I appreciate the insight, but it seemed redundant, since I already knew. When will I know where Clark is emotionally?

To me, so far this season, I'm feeling very much that the show is being told through Lois' POV a great deal more then Clark's. And while I appreciate the increased POV for Lois, I still wanted Clark's to be prominent. But, well, not so much.
goodvibe
Nov. 15th, 2009 12:44 pm (UTC)
The worst part is I don't know if I expect things to go any differently in the second half. So basically, we might be stuck with this as a pattern - throughout. In that eventuality, all I can do is at least hope that Clark continues to be written well.
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