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Canon? We don't need no stinking canon...

...or do we?

The question I often ponder when it comes to Smallville...how much does it really need to match up with "canon"? And aren't there about 20 different versions of canon? So, which one does it match up to?

Have Lex and Lana ever been married in any canon? Did Clark lose his virginity to Lana in any version? Has Lois ever lived with the Kents before? Was Zod ever a phantom? Jor-El ever such a shitheel? And so on, and so forth.

So, the question becomes, how far can the show go off in its own direction? Create its own canon? And considering how far it has gone outside the box, how difficult does it become to make it confirm to more accepted versions of the story? Does it need to? And to what degree?

And at what point has the show veered too far off the path for you?

Do Clark and Lois need to fall in love in this version? Could Lana or Chloe, or even someone new, end up being SV Clark's true love? Could Oliver come back to town and sweep Lois off her feet again? Could Jimmy and Chloe marry? Could Lex and Lana reconcile and remain married? Does Clark need to show an interest in journalism? Train at the Fortress? Could Clark and Lex reconcile and become friends again? Could Lex renounce his current path and become a decent guy again?

What new twists to the story would be OK with you? And where do you draw the line in the sand?


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May. 30th, 2007 06:03 pm (UTC)
It's like all my favorite SV ponderings in one place!

Let's see here. How much does it need to match up - AL's said very early on that Clark is Superman the hero, works at the DP, and winds up with DP reporter Lois Lane; Lex is the villain. Those things they can't stray from. But this is Al, so who knows.

Lex has never married Lana before in any serious way; in TAS they dated, in the comics she's now the head of LuthorCorp, she was once his acting first Lady, and they might of gotten hitched in an Elseworld once he was a 'good guy.'

Clark + virginity + Lana = I don't think so. Certainly not in the movies, or LnC. Not in the Golden Age (no Lana then) and there was no sex really in the Silver Age. I don't think in the Iron Age - even if Lana did leave her panties to make Lois think they slept together.

Zod a phantom - Well no. I don't think prior anyone in the Phantom Zone upon getting out were phantoms either.

Jor-El -- in a 1993 elseworld, he totally was. Word on the street is our Jor was originally part of a Zod/Eradicator arc shut down by the film groups. Makes more sense.

How far can it go? Given that the show was "The story you didn't know until now" I mean I think it has some way to go. I think it's a retelling mixed with a re-origin. We have purely Superman things (DP! JL! Zod! Brainiac! Mxy!) and some earlier Superboy things (Lana! Pete! SHS!) and some totally new things (meteor shower!)

I think the general thought by most is it's either a new version of Superman or a prequel (the latter I think it faulty but some think it) so the general constraints Al initially talked about I think for most is what they expect - Clark the hero, Lex the villain; the DP job, Clark ending up with Lois Lane. (Which is probably why so many argue about who is the Real Lois.)

To some people, I see it at sweet - SV is already so different as a reimage that ending up with Lana is what they want in this version (it wouldn't be the first elseworld to do that, but I again think that's almost straddling the line from ReImaging to Completely Alternative Take. Which is a fine line, I'll admit.)

Could all of that happen? I guess. Jimmy's older. Pete's black. The Kents are in *politics.* A lot is very different - and I do like most of the differences. Because also to me for most of the characters it's the core of the character that needs to be *right* - and most of them to me are. I do want it to adhere to the basics to some degree; I'm fine with it not being an exact replica [ so Lionel blew up his parents, not Lex, I'm down with that.]

I think I'm rambling though without being clear. :) I guess my point is - I like change. I like reimaging, so long as it feels like a new take on the same character (bending not breaking so to speak), like it's additive to the mythosy quality of the story. And I like connecting the dots between starting point A and ending point Z. Things happening early, or things getting really intricate and twisty about the characters I think are actually good things, where as some people seem to get angry about things being 'too soon.' Mostly I want to see the basics happen in terms of plot, characterization, and done in a cool new way.

...and I'll shut up now as I think I'm still being confusing and at this point rather long winded. :D
May. 30th, 2007 06:16 pm (UTC)
Cool stuff Chiri, thanks for your thoughts :)

For me, when I look at how they've already diverged from the more traditional aspects of the story, I find it difficult to expect them to conform. Even with the things Al states (and I think Al is a big lying liar that lies!).

But is there a line in the sand for you? Something that would go too far?
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May. 30th, 2007 09:24 pm (UTC)
There are certain things in SV canon that I'm ok with because I'm sure there's a way to wank it right. As long as the core things stay the same in the end. Clark is Superman. Clark is a reporter at the Daily Planet and wears glasses. Lex is Evil.

Lex hanging out in SV and being friends with Clark? I can deal with. Lois being in SV and doing hateflirting with Clark? I don't like. I like my Clois in the future only thank you. The past is the time to play around with possibilities be it with Lana, Chloe, Alicia, etc., etc. Clois is the destiny, I don't want to see it now and not in this form because I hate this Lois. Lana's importance being amped up? Fine, as long as it only lasts in SV and doesn't have a more lasting impact in the future. I don't want a Superman picking Lois as his second choice cause he can't have Lana. I don't want anyone to be his second choice. Chloe becoming Lois? Bring it on.

To make this short, anything can happen now as long as it doesn't change the end result. Superman/Daily Planet/Clois/EvilLex.
May. 30th, 2007 10:54 pm (UTC)
First, I love your icon, tiffanynichelle. Hee!

Second, I agree with your point that change it up, mix it around, but the end result should remain the same. The best part of this story is we get a Lex, Clark and Chlois who shaped each other through Smallville and into Metropolis.
May. 30th, 2007 11:25 pm (UTC)
Ok, I see what you are saying. The end point must remain the same, but any twists and turns the story takes now is fine as long as we get to that end point.

I actually think the only end point I'm absolutely married to is Clark becoming Superman. Everything else seems negotiable.

Thanks :)
May. 31st, 2007 12:18 am (UTC)
No worries! When it comes to this particular debate, I'm more on the side of what will give me a good story with characters I can identify with - for TV. Back when the show first started, the thought of Clark and Lex as best friends made me excited to see the show. However, as the show progressed and I realized that Clark and Lana were going to be the "couple" in question, I quickly tuned out. I was burnt out on Roswell/DC and the like and as much as I tuned in for good Clex/Chloe episodes, I didn't much care to watch it constantly. I thought Lois' intro might do it, but she just turned me off even more. I figured it would follow the route of other teen shows I'd watched and honestly, those bore me to tears *shrugs* I only started paying attention to the show again when I discovered the possibility of a Chlois twist - it makes for good TV, rather than the version of Lois currently on the show. I identify with Chloe in a way that has nothing to do with her being Lois-like or not - her journey, like Clark's is something I would gladly watch. Only after season 6, not so sure about things anymore. I've always viewed Superman as Clark/(Ch)Lois/Lex. As long as those three come into being as the characters I know from the movies in logical storyline that makes sense for a tv-show I'm happy. See, I don't really consider the comics canon, just the movies *g*
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May. 31st, 2007 02:39 am (UTC)
My canon twist: I want Lex to know Clark is an alien by the end of the series (or preferably sooner.)
May. 31st, 2007 02:41 am (UTC)
I could go for that new twist on the story. At this point, anything to pull the story back to focus on Clark and Lex, IMO.
May. 31st, 2007 03:19 am (UTC)
I think the case can be made that that has been one of the major end "twists" to flip what we "know" all on it's ear all a long.

Even if it isn't, it should be. (And it's not like it hasn't happened in comics before either.)
May. 31st, 2007 03:43 am (UTC)
Now that would be kewl to see! I've never understood how Lex is supposed to *not* know that Superman used to be his best friend.
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May. 31st, 2007 08:39 pm (UTC)
I know I want a Lois Lane figure who is like the ILL I know from other media. If the girl with the name can't cut it then the girl who is like ILL in everything but name is who I want to fill the position. I used to think she needed the name but now I've decided, it's not even necessary. And this is coming from a life long Superman and Lois Lane fan and it's been a very long life.

Nor do I want a future Superman who wants a vapid boring self centered, manipulative girl with no personality named lana Lang. The Clana sex almost put me off the show completely. You say you want a girl who knows your secret so you can be yourself? You tell Chloe she's great for knowing and keeping the secret and she's such a great friend then you run off and screw Lanacakes? Chloe is not good enough even then? Pkus, you don't tell Lana who you are before? No hero there. An idiot more like. That was alomost the end. Any more Clana crap after the wonderful promise of Vessel which was destroyed halfway through for no good reason and I may yet be done.

I love Tom Welling and Allison Mack and MR and JG and AOT but I'm often happier when I don't watch now. I dread it instead of look forward to it. The Clana stupidity and Clark Lana adultery was just too much. Heroes should act heroic after all this time and not go backwards and behave less morally than they did as high school freshman. This whole season from the lightswitching of "Lois" to the return of the nauseating Clana in the face of what Clark should have realized was his best friend and should be lover was just too much to take. They will need to woo me back.
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Jun. 1st, 2007 02:14 pm (UTC)
Re: On your footnote and more...
I loathe the concept of a "triangle built for two"</i>, or whatever the heck you call it. That is most definitely one part of the traditional story that not only am I hoping is jettisoned, but I absolutely think it needs to be. What has been established very clearly on this show is that Superman is a persona that Clark will put on, but the Clark we are seeing is the real guy. If Lois doesn't develop feelings for this Clark, then the SV Clark/Lois romance will convince.

So, IMO, if the Clois is where they are going, I think attraction from both sides needs to be obvious. If its one-sided, I don't think it can work. Not to mention that we've already seen a variation of that with the Lana stuff.

Or, just leave it alone and don't go there at all.

Whoever Clark's true love is, she needs to love this Clark. This is one point I feel very strongly about.

In regards to Lana, I do believe the show absolutely must find a way to resolve that relationship. And if they do go for the tragic, bittersweet parting, then it does make it seem as though anything in the future is second best, and thats unfortunate.

I definitely agree with you that there needs to be some sort of pay-off. Particularly with Clark and Lex. And of the two, Clark is by far the more crucial. Even Lex's eventual destiny is something I'm willing to keep an open mind on. But I do believe we need to see something that convinces us of where Clark's eventual destiny lies.
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