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Echo Screentime Minutes

I may decide to review this episode at a later time.  Or, I may not. 

To be honest, there was very little about it I really liked.  I almost don't even know where to start to go into my issues with it.  I mean, it wasn't horrible.  But it just wasn't very good either.  To me, it felt disjointed, dull, and much of it felt pointless.  I also found the dialogue pretty awful, and our wonderful cast strangely flat.

So, my review would likely turn into a lengthy rant, and I'm not feeling like I have the energy, or inclination, to go there at the present time. 

But, here are the screentimes.  This was a really difficult episode to time, due to phone conversations, and cutaways.  But I did my best.

Echo, running time:  41m, 38s ("previously on" : 1m, 26s)

Clark:  25m, 27s
Chloe:  4m, 10s
Lois:  12m, 27s
Oliver:  15m, 20s
Tess:  6m, 51s

Year to Date

Clark:  77m, 16s
Chloe:  29m, 36s
Lois:  62m, 26s
Oliver:  27m, 52s (3)
Tess:  23m, 27s
Zod:  10m, 39s (2)

Comments

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christina_kat
Oct. 17th, 2009 08:30 am (UTC)
thank you for the screentimes! Clark had many scenes. I'm glad about that.
I have to say I enjoyed this episode and there were a few things I didn't like. Like Fake Lex! Not a good move...
jeannev
Oct. 17th, 2009 03:51 pm (UTC)
Yeah, Fake!Lex is just UGH. I so wish they wouldn't go there.
agentobrian
Oct. 17th, 2009 11:05 am (UTC)
4 minutes for Chloe? Ouch. She is just being shoved into a corner this season, and I don't like that at all.

Average screentime per ep:

Clark- 19m, 19s
Chloe- 7m, 24s
Lois- 15m, 36s
Oliver- 6m, 58s
Tess- 5m, 52s
Zod- 5m, 20s
jeannev
Oct. 17th, 2009 03:52 pm (UTC)
Well, so far, there can be little arguement that Chloe has been marginalized. I mean, the numbers tell the facts.
jlvsclrk
Oct. 17th, 2009 11:21 am (UTC)
Thanks for the screentime. The episode worked for me, but I can easily understand why it didn't for you. The "previously on" bit had me sick to my stomach with one Ollie scene after another and the last thing I wanted to see was a drunk!Ollie-centric episode. And the middle of the episode did feel very disjointed - reminding me a little of the problems I had with another BQM script, Bulletproof. But ultimately it worked for me, even with Clark apologising AGAIN. Maybe its the Clexer in me that thinks he regret so much what happened with Lex that he's determined not to see it happen again with Ollie?
jeannev
Oct. 17th, 2009 03:56 pm (UTC)
I actually think its the Clexer in me that makes me dislike the Clark/Oliver stuff so much. Because I hate that they are trying to play out these themes with a character that Clark doesn't have the same emotional resonance with. I just end up resenting it.

And to be perfectly honest, felling very certain that I will never, ever see Oliver own up to what he did to Clark in DD, and never apologize for it, makes my ability to tolerate Oliver, much less emphatize with him, all but impossible. Clark may be the bigger man, but I'm not.
goodvibe
Oct. 17th, 2009 12:03 pm (UTC)
//I mean, it wasn't horrible. But it just wasn't very good either. To me, it felt disjointed, dull, and much of it felt pointless.//

I just went and wrote my usual mini-thesis on the ep and then you go and sum it up perfectly? ;-)

Good to see Clark up there in ST'. But not the best of eps, sadly.

jeannev
Oct. 17th, 2009 03:57 pm (UTC)
I thought about what I would write about this ep, and then it occured to me that I'd just be ripping on front top to bottom, and I just couldn't be bothered. Because the episode was so "Meh!", its just not worth my time and effort.

But yay for lots of Clark facetime. One of the saving graces of the ep.
la_belle_isa
Oct. 17th, 2009 12:40 pm (UTC)
I feel the same way as you do about the ep. And thanks for the screentime totals! Wow. What are they doing with Chloe? Oliver has almost the same amount with one less episode? And btw, someone at Ksite opened a ST thread with your numbers and a link back to your journal.
jeannev
Oct. 17th, 2009 03:58 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I think Chloe fans have a genuine gripe so far this season. Hard to dispute that. And honestly, when she's on screen? I think her material is a pile of suck.

And I guess I'll have to go to K-Site and ask them to take it down then. *sigh*
iliana_1
Oct. 17th, 2009 12:48 pm (UTC)
Hi,

Here for the ST (not that I ignore your thoughts on the episode but there aren't any this week).

I know you don't want them posted at TWoP but is it ok to talk about them at my LJ with credit to you?

Thanks :)
jeannev
Oct. 17th, 2009 04:00 pm (UTC)
Yeah, sure, you can post them and talk about them on your lj all you want. No worries.

And LOL, but you can ignore my thoughts too if you like. They even bore me lately. ;)
iliana_1
Oct. 17th, 2009 09:12 pm (UTC)
Thanks :)

My thoughts bore me too :D So much so that I've decided to not bother posting anything about the episode after all. I couldn't work up enough energy. Maybe next week.

Thanks anyway.
carolandtom
Oct. 17th, 2009 03:34 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the numbers. Wow, Oliver was only on screen 15m? I thought they were at least 40! *yawns* I couldn't care less about him, his relationship with Tess, the Queen industries and so forth. The only Oliver-related storyline that I would like to see would be him deciding to make a fresh start somewhere else really far away from Metropolis. What a waste of time his storyline is! And now we are in for his redemption, his mentor, his sidekick, his becoming a hero? again... *yawns* (sorry; Oliver puts me to sleep and so did this episode)

Oh, and I wonder... is there a school somewhere where they can teach the SV characters to own up to their mistakes and to apologize for them before they go around berating other characters for theirs? They all could use a few lessons on that (well, all except Clark, who seems to be so fond of the ability that can't stop using and abusing it)

That SV writers' room seems to have the power of infecting every writer that steps in there with a virus called mediocrity.
jeannev
Oct. 17th, 2009 04:08 pm (UTC)
Yeah, Oliver's scene felt endless, didn't they? Especially that one scene between him and Tess. But part of that is that I just don't think CF and JH have any chemistry at all.

And hey, here's something I learned at K-Site recently...its OK if a character doesn't apologize as long as we can tell, or think, they really feel bad. LMAO. Thats the way to own up and take responsibility. So, Oliver wallowing and being a dick is enough. Gotta love that shit.

I've always found the SV writing distressingly mediocre, which is one reason my eyeballs almost rolled out of my head when Souders/Peterson almost dislocated a shoulder patting themselves, and their writing staff, on the back for their stellar writing. Really?
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jeannev
Oct. 17th, 2009 07:56 pm (UTC)
Its always Yay! for lots of Clark :)

I don't think you're too easy, or anything like that. Different eps appeal to different people. I still love Subterranean, for an example. And my 2 favs of last season were Instinct and Turbulence, which are probably not popular choices. My point being, we like what we like.

Next week, I feel certain we won't have 20m of Pretty Clark to keep us happy :(
tasabian
Oct. 17th, 2009 07:03 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the screen time. I enjoyed this one more than I expected, probably because there was so much Tom.

Poor Justin Hartley doesn't seem to be giving interviews much this year...wonder if he's less than thrilled with his arc?

jeannev
Oct. 17th, 2009 07:57 pm (UTC)
I do think a lot of Tom/Clark always improves an ep.

I would think JH would LOVE the idea of doing all this drama. For a guy that started off as very press friendly, he sure seems to have adopted a more low key approach. Tom's influence?
sunflowercyn10
Oct. 17th, 2009 07:37 pm (UTC)
To be honest, there was very little about it I really liked. I almost don't even know where to start to go into my issues with it. I mean, it wasn't horrible. But it just wasn't very good either. To me, it felt disjointed, dull, and much of it felt pointless. I also found the dialogue pretty awful, and our wonderful cast strangely flat.

Ditto Val. I feel the same way. I was expecting alot more with a novel concept of having Clark be able to know what folks are thinking and learn a listen from it. But I really feel like the director Wayne Rose had no clue what kind of an episode he was directing and what kind of finished product he wanted. Was it suppose to be a yuck yuck episode or a deeply emotional episode where one man tumbles down the rabbit hole because of his conscious? Was it suppose to be a comedic turn on Clark and Lois stumbling towards getting together or was it suppose to give us insight into Lois's feelings/heart and but throw in some funny but endearing moments? Or was it suppose to be about Clark using his aquired human assumptions and instincts that can be wrong because of the emotions at play and Jor-El trying to use this new power to actually empower Clark to tap into his own natural instincts...his intuition governed by logic and intellect. Sigh. Was it the writer's fault? I was surprised because I expected ALOT more from BQM but I guess they all can't be perfect.

At least Tom still looked very yummy.....

I like the show alot but this fumble really surprised me because I felt like I was watching an episode from S4 or S7 and I thought they had learned their lesson. Focus on 2 themes and intertwine stories and characters around them. As you point out...the acting fell flat because the actors had no idea just like us. Too bad I thought this sort of new power could have been used not only to teach Clark something important in his journey to being a hero but also a poignant lesson about the human heart re: Oliver and Lois. The lines they chose when Clark has his individual conversations with each person didn't seem deep enough for me for someone who could hear their thoughts or who had just realized that his friend had tried to commit suicide. The last scene with Lois was nice but I kept thinking wow did he get off easy....

jeannev
Oct. 17th, 2009 08:01 pm (UTC)
You make some really great points about the directing. It was pretty terrible. I absolutely hated how that whole Clark/Oliver conversation was filmed. And lets be honest, how exactly was Tom supposed to play all these scenes of Clark listening in on thoughts, and make that interesting? He just kept squinting his eyes.

I guess, at the end of the day, I think this ep was a poor mesh of 2 very different storylines.

I do have to put some of the blame on BQM though, because I thought the dialogue was lacking.

I wouldn't generally say this, but yeah, Clark did get off easy at the end. And to me, thats not because he stood her up and should therefore suffer. For me, it was because Clark just seemed a little "Whatever" about it, ya know? I mean, if he was torn, or really disappointed, I certainly couldn't tell from the dialogue or the acting.
sunflowercyn10
Oct. 18th, 2009 03:09 am (UTC)
Good point Val about how Tom and the "listening to thoughts" scenes. Don't get me started about the Clark/Oliver conversation and more so how the whole Oliver standing on a pressure plate bomb supposed nail biter scene. Again the director bombed on the pacing and I was more bored then worried for Ollie. The only part I liked was Clark figuring things out. Then when they had their conversation I couldn't help but think that this was a perfect opportunity for 2 guys who went through a lot with the death of Jimmy (and Ollie and Lex) that they both decided to detach themselves from their lives and emotional attachments but in every different ways. Clark could have used his dark period as an example to show Ollie that you are not alone I understand but my father gave me the advice that you can't avoid loss but you need to face it and over come. I can't believe that BQM missed this since he's the story editor now too. *shakes head*

I wouldn't generally say this, but yeah, Clark did get off easy at the end. And to me, thats not because he stood her up and should therefore suffer. For me, it was because Clark just seemed a little "Whatever" about it, ya know? I mean, if he was torn, or really disappointed, I certainly couldn't tell from the dialogue or the acting

Bingo Val. That's exactly how I felt. I felt his apology was sincere but fell flat which really confused me. When I saw the looks they shared through the glass when he was copying as she got her java I was thinking we'd get him apologizing but maybe reaching out and holding her hand BECAUSE he'd been privy to her thoughts and knew that he really hurt her feelings both professionally and personally. I think that Lois could shove the professional stuff aside because in the end she will do anything for a story and she's been interning Clark so becareful what you ask for. *wink* But on a personal level she was chastising herself for getting attached because they always leave. Clark already knew that Lois had issues with this because of the General, the first kiss soldier guy in S7 death scene (can't remember his name) and then when she had her final break with Ollie. Instead BQM decided to concentrate on showing Clark and Lois both not wanting to I dunno give in too much to the other but agree to try again another time. I liked the "hypothetical" dialogue but just before that the scene needed a little more emotional teeth.

I'm not really super excited now about the next one 'cause its centered around Ollie and if its directed badly again...grrr.
(Anonymous)
Oct. 20th, 2009 11:44 am (UTC)
This time I have to admitt I passed on the ST totals. I mean I fast forwarded the ep. so much that I don't know what to say.I agree with your comments I guess but honestly I'm disappointed. Truth be told not all eps. can be equally exciting and well-written and so on but ECHO just was a fiasco except for some delightful Clark moments.I found myself analysing the flaws and applauding the good parts but the emotion wasn't there anymore ya know? I had no empathy whatsoever for the ep.I admire your resilience to fight for the Clois relationship but I'm more and more detached of the whole thing. I anticipated as much when they "activated" the triangle for2 this season. I don't like the way both of the characters come out of it. I don't like to watch Clark being pushed back and forth by a very feisty Lois(never liked it in the mythos I guess!)and I don't like Lois going ga-ga over Clark/The Blur.The feeling that I have is that everyone is doing their best, things are in their rightful place but..."something's missing".It's too bad Tom does so few interviews. I would like to hear his thoughts. The TVGuide interview this Summer was very enlightening shall we say and it corresponded exactly to what I expected of him. And now, I'm lost. And Ollie-Lollie...OMG. I fell bad for Justin but that storyline is going downhill.We'll see where the new eps. will lead us.Wishful thinking I guess!
jeannev
Oct. 20th, 2009 01:19 pm (UTC)
I understand that some eps you just feel detached from. This was definitely one of those for me. I just couldn't feel connected to it.

And yes, it did have some very good Clark moments, but it also had some Clark moments that just left me scratching my head, and I guess I'm confused as to why most people seem to have glossed over them. Not complaining, mind you. I think Clark gets enough undeserved shit as it is. But I do find it confusing all the same.

I wouldn't say I was fighting for the Clois relationship. Its obviously where they are going with the show, so I'm trying to find ways to get behind it. I like the actors together well enough, so that helps a great deal. But do I think its been developed well? No, not really.

I'm always sorry that Tom doesn't do interviews. Honestly though, seems most of the cast doesn't do them anymore either. Sure, we just had a round with Cassiday, and Erica pops up from time-to-time, but Allison? Justin? Callum? *crickets chirping* I don't really get it. Especially given the focus Oliver is getting as a character right now. Shouldn't Justin be out there beating that drum?
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