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Rabid Screentime Totals, and Rabid Thoughts


"Rabid thoughts" just sounds funny. :)

With the show's move to fridays, I'm finding I can get these totals out the same night as the eps.  Well, not for the one on the 23rd, because I'll be in Atlanta, so that will probably be up on sunday, at the earliest.  Maybe even Monday.  But thats Roulette, and it sounds like a big pile of suck anyway, so, who cares?

I was very, very glad to see Clark having the screentime in this episode that he should've had in the first 2 eps.  I'm still annoyed that it took us until the 3rd ep to get here, but moving on...

Rabid, running time:  41m, 27s
Clark:  23m, 54s
Chloe:  5m, 32s
Lois:  15m, 51s
Oliver:  8m, 51s
Tess:  4m, 26s
Zod:  3m, 19s
Dr Hamilton:  6m, 7s

YTD Totals (# of eps)

Clark:  51m, 49s
Chloe:  25m, 26s
Lois:  49m, 59s
Oliver:  12m, 32s (2)
Tess:  16m, 36s
Zod:  10m, 39s (2)
Dr Hamilton:  11m, 47s

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I think Clark speeding away with Dr Hamilton, and his reaction was probably my favorite part of the whole episode.  I SO want to keep this guy.  He's priceless.  And I do believe he might have a little crush on Chloe.  Chloe, hon, he's a doctor, he's smart, and he drives a nice car.  Get with that!

So, I've read a lot of raving about how AMAZING this episode was, but I don't think I fall into that category.  There was a lot of entertaining stuff here.  I loved, loved, LOVED the zombies.  So much so that I wish there was a lot more of them, and the virus stuff.  Thats probably my biggest issue with the episode.  I thought that storyline got a bit of truncated so we could have Ollie's pity party, and tons of shipping stuff.  And its not that I don't appreciate that those things should have their place in the episode.  Its just that I wasn't sure the right balance was struck. 

Hell, I just wanted more zombies!

I can be a contrary viewer.  The more something is forced on me, the more I tend to dig in my heels and need to be convinced.  Thats sort of how I feel with the Clois.  I understand that they are moving full-steam ahead with it, and I'm fine with that.  But really guys, subtle like a sledgehammer.  It just feels like a bit of of overkill to me.

But, whatever your feelings about Clois, I think you can make a good argument that there's, at least, a lot of history between these 2 characters, and so its not totally unbelievable that once eyes were open, and feelings awakened, it could move very quickly.  So, yeah, OK.  And really, that shot of them in the rain was really very lovely.  Well done director.  I also appreciate that Clark is still happy and smiley around Lois, and that will go a long with me.  The last scene at the Kent farmhouse was well done too.

Though, I have one quibble....should it really still be coming as a shock to Lois that Clark is brave and heroic, and will help his friends?  I mean, she has been on the receiving end of that a few times now.  For her to keep acting like its a surprise seems a bit obtuse.

Now, I do have to call out Bullshit though on Lois and her speech about The Blur.  I felt like Caroline Dries snuck in, and wrote another one of her nonsensical Lois speeches.  When did Lois and The Blur do all these amazing things together?  When was Lois helping him to save people?  Ah, Never Smallville.  Sorry, it didn't happen.  To have Lois spouting lines like that makes her look loopy.  And aren't we supposed to believe that she's in love with Clark?  Because from that speech, I wasn't getting that. 

Bad, bad speech.  I could pick it apart, line-by-line, but I think I'll just leave it at bad, and move on.  Better for my sanity.

Tess fighting with the sword in mansion was awesome.  Not enough real!Tess, or zombie!Tess in this episode for me.

Where was Oliver's great love for Lois all of last year?  Heck, he barely acknowledged her, and he was all about Tess.  Now, he's missing Lois and carrying around her picture?  I'm not really buying that.  Feels like manufactured angst to me.

I'm loving the vibe between Chloe and Dr Hamilton.  I think I've finally found a man on this show that feels like a really good match for Chloe.  He's just as smart, just as tech savvy, and they even have a similar snark style.  They better not mess this character up for me, because I love him.  He's become my #3, behind Clark and Tess.

I really can't condone Chloe spying on the JLA members under the auspices of "they need someone to look after them".  The intent sounds noble, but these are grown people.  And they have a right to make their own decisions.  I don't see what gives Chloe the right to Big Brother them.  Not to mention how the heck is she doing this?  And is she doing it to Clark as well?  God, I hope not.

So, how did Dr Coates aka Bad Kandorian (or, as my sisters call them, the Kardassians) get a vial of Clark's blood?

I thought the part where Clark finds Lana's picture, and takes it out of his wallet and puts it into the book was decent symbolism.  It does seem a bit like a cowards way out, because really, a bit of verbalization would be preferred here.  But I think this is their attempt at keeping more then one fandom happy.  And it was nice to see Clark appear to be so peaceful over the whole thing.

OK, so now with the ranting....

What the fuck SV?  No, really, What The Fuck?  Last week, we have Clark apologizing to Chloe, and this week we have Clark telling Oliver how right he was.  That is some major fuckery.  I guess I just won't bother to hold my breath for the apologies owed to Clark.  And frankly, without them?  I don't know how I'm going to tolerate these relationships.  I'll cut more slack to Chloe, due to the history of that friendship, and due to the amount of times Chloe has really come through for Clark.  But Oliver?  Just, No!  This is a guy that has spent at least half of his time on this show being a dick to Clark.  And I don't care if he's going through an emo pity party (and words cannot express how much it angers me that many of the same people who tore Clark apart for his mopey moments are all sympathetic to Oliver now).  This is a guy that shot Clark in the back, and left him writhing on the ground in pain.  This is the guy that fucked things up royally in the season finale. 

So, no, I'm not at all interested in Clark making nice with Oliver, or even helping his lame, self indulgent ass.  And I don't see that there's ever any way for me to believe that Clark should be friends with this guy, or work with him, or ever trust him again.

And frankly, a message to Justin Hartley:  "Yes, you have a great body.  But, put your shirt on already.  Are you an actor, or the new greeter at the Abercrombie & Fitch store.  And oiling up so you can glisten in the moonlight?  You just look silly now".

Better Lois hair this week, but worse Tess hair.  Great Chloe hair again.

And OMG, sunlight!  I've missed you.

I see Tom Welling went and got more gorgeous again.  That sneaky devil.  I'm pretty sure if he keeps going this way, he's going to make the world explode.  And Wow, his body is looking awesome!  Hurry for the Grey!. 

Comments

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eeyore1017
Oct. 10th, 2009 06:07 am (UTC)
I was very happy to see that Clark had the most screen time. Yay! :-) There was a lot of Lois in this episode, but I didn't notice it as much because there was even more Clark.

When Clark sped away with Dr. Hamilton, I did think that was very cute, but I thought it was annoying that Chloe kind of rolled her eyes or seemed annoyed.

And I don't get what her deal is either with having tracking devices on the JLA. The thing on Oliver's belt was pretty big. How did he not notice it until now? And where is he getting his drugs (which looked they were in a prescription bottle) from?

I agree that Oliver pining over Lois seems a little forced. He seemed okay with the idea of Lois & Clark during Bride. Maybe he's just getting nostalgic about an ex because his whole life is in the toilet right now? That's kind of happened to me before...

That's a good question about how the Kandorian guy got a vial of Clark's blood. And how come when it rained, it didn't rain down red? I guess Clark's blood was dissolved enough with water? And did Dr. Emil really make it rain? The plane they were on looked like Oliver's plane (even though it was blown up). Maybe Oliver had an exact replica built? :-)

Maybe Lois was exaggerating when she was talking about all the help she's given The Blur? She could have been taking the one instance where she "helped" him with Metallo and blown it out of proportion. Or maybe she means that she "helped" him by being there just to listen to him? I guess we have no idea how many times The Blur called Lois just to chat in Offscreenville.

I just don't think Clark's apology was 100% sincere to Oliver. I don't think he truly believed that he should have killed Davis. I think he was telling Oliver what he wanted to hear. Maybe this is all just wishful thinking on my part though...

I see Tom Welling went and got more gorgeous again. That sneaky devil. I'm pretty sure if he keeps going this way, he's going to make the world explode. And Wow, his body is looking awesome! Hurry for the Grey!.
Yes, Yes, Yes!!! I totally agree with all of this! Just when I thought he couldn't get any hotter/more beautiful- He Does!!!

It makes me angry when I read on Twitter about him "packing on a few pounds." Stupid people! It's all muscle, baby! :-)

I think I will need/want many icons from this episode for all the beauty it contained!
jeannev
Oct. 10th, 2009 04:25 pm (UTC)
It was nice to see Clark take his rightful place in screentime, but it in no way changes my feelings about the first 2 eps, and how that was handled.

I think this plot with Chloe, and her tracking the "heroes" could be interesting, depending on how its handled. Let be truthful here, they're the ones that have given her so much power in their superhero world. Lets see if its a good idea, or not.

I think the Lois/Blur conversation was just one of those nonsensical speeches that seems to spring forth from the SV writers from time to time. I can name about 5 of them. And they are all these monologues, that are supposed to be so deep and meaningful, and they just fall flat. It just made Lois seem, like I said, loopy.

I always have to laugh when people criticize TW's looks. Really people, are you kidding me?
(Anonymous)
Oct. 10th, 2009 06:47 am (UTC)
I was glad that Clark was front and center as he should be once he got back into the Daily Planet. It took the third episode to get him back on the forefront after the first two episodes focused on Lois. Clark being on the outskirts and losing his humanity didn't work. Most of the episode was good, except for Clark telling Oliver he was right about Davis. However, Oliver wants Clark to get off on his tail to save the world and he's doing it, but now is getting jealous about it. This episode has all the cast members again since Savior. This was a better episode than Savior was. Dr. Hamilton should've been added to the cast because he's mythos and I think he will take over Watchtower after Chloe leaves this season. Jordan Hawley did a great job writing this episode. It also looks like TW's co-exec producer title didn't get in the way of having great screentime.
jeannev
Oct. 10th, 2009 04:27 pm (UTC)
I do think, overall, that this was a decent episode. There were just a few scenes though that diminished my ability to enjoy it completely. The Oliver scenes being the #1 offender.

I'd also like to see Dr Hamilton in, at least, 10 eps this season. He's great.
wrighty555
Oct. 10th, 2009 12:43 pm (UTC)
Daystra at TWoP made a comment about Clark being the one to make Oliver burn his costume by being such a dick. I jumped all over her for it. Then got told that how dare I question or lecture her on alcoholism because she is a psychologist..That post suddenly disappeared while I was typing my response so I figured Tennison was on the prowl and heavily edited my response..lol

Daystra is a hard core Chlarker and is just venting all of her/his anger for the show on Clark. To say that Clark is the reason for Oliver burning his costume is so ill informed and petty, I had to respond.

I have to say..I'm really not liking TWoP anymore. It's become a shipper battlefield. There are more and more Cloiser's around and those Chlark'ers that stayed are mostly hostile to the show (completely understandable from their end). It's just not a fun site to visit anymore.
jeannev
Oct. 10th, 2009 04:30 pm (UTC)
I don't know how anyone can blame Clark for Oliver burning his suit. Or, Oliver doing anything, in fact. Thats just irrational hating stuff, and I can't even take it seriously. Oliver is a grown man who is making his own decisions to act like a self-pitying ass, and Clark is not a factor in that. Except for maybe being at the root of Oliver's inadequacy issues. And the fact that I'm pretty convinced that Oliver has a tiny penis, and he's seen Clark naked or something. LOL

Just MO, but TWoP hasn't been a fun site to visit for a very, very long time.
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siobhan_w
Oct. 10th, 2009 03:08 pm (UTC)
I really like the episode - I thought the whole zombie thing was fun and I loved the way they filmed it all.

Where was Oliver's great love for Lois all of last year...I'm not really buying that. Feels like manufactured angst to me

It sort of feels like they just remembered they need to set up a plot point or something for a future episode and, in typical SV fashion (love the show but nobody can ever accuse them of being subtle), they've suddenly decided Oliver needs to be mopey and love-lorn.

jeannev
Oct. 10th, 2009 04:31 pm (UTC)
The zombies were so well done. I don't understand why TPTB didn't schedule this ep around Halloween, and advertise their zombies all over the place. For a limited budget, SV completely rocked the zombies.

I'm sort of hoping that their next decision with Oliver is that he'd really be happier living in Star City, and he moves away.
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goodvibe
Oct. 10th, 2009 03:26 pm (UTC)
::co-signs your rant::

And I pretty much agree with the rest too, so I could leave it at that but you know me so--- ;-)

First of all, I'm immensely pleased to see that Clark' ST regained its rightful place this ep. For that alone, I'm putting it up there as the best of the season so far, heh.

Like you, the Oliver scenes really contributed in diminishing the overall enjoyability factor of the ep for me. And I hated the Lois talk about the Blur too. So it's a funny one for me, in the sense that the scenes I hated? I ::truly:: hated. And the scenes I loved? I ::really:: loved.

What I love about Dr Emil, is that here's a supporting character finally, who actually ::adds:: something to the show, without taking anything away from it. He makes the scenes he shares with other characters interesting because the reactions are new and it takes the scene to another level.

//I thought the part where Clark finds Lana's picture, and takes it out of his wallet and puts it into the book was decent symbolism. It does seem a bit like a cowards way out, because really, a bit of verbalization would be preferred here. But I think this is their attempt at keeping more then one fandom happy. And it was nice to see Clark appear to be so peaceful over the whole thing.//

ICAM. I actually forgot to mention this is my own thoughts on the ep just now, but good point. It was nice to see Clark coming to that decision via his actions, but it was indeed a cop out too, because it deprived us of actually hearing Clark' POV.
jeannev
Oct. 10th, 2009 04:34 pm (UTC)
Yay for Clark being over 20m!!!

Like you, the scenes I didn't like really kept me from completely loving this episode. And not being a shipper, I can't just squeee over Clois, and let the rest of the stuff slide. So, I fall somewhere in the middle.

Dr Emil, FTW! And they better not turn him bad. There's no reason to do that. Leave that for his future, post-SV.
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tasabian
Oct. 10th, 2009 06:14 pm (UTC)
Definitely enjoyed this more than eps 1 & 2. And Clark's screen time helps explain why!

Hell, I just wanted more zombies!
The zombies were great - very well done. Loved how the stunt people made the zombies move fast & unpredictably. It didn't come off campy at all. Lois fighting Clark in the rain was a great scene and zombie!Tess was very impressive.

But Oliver? Just, No! This is a guy that has spent at least half of his time on this show being a dick to Clark. And I don't care if he's going through an emo pity party (and words cannot express how much it angers me that many of the same people who tore Clark apart for his mopey moments are all sympathetic to Oliver now). This is a guy that shot Clark in the back, and left him writhing on the ground in pain. This is the guy that fucked things up royally in the season finale.
I was making fists during his scenes. How dare Oliver call Clark "buzz-kill?" Poor Justin, he deserves much better than this. I also very much disliked Oliver "looking after Lois", who is entirely capable of looking after herself. It was funny that Oliver delivered such a boring & self-pitying monologue (while staring at his own reflection!) that it sent Lois straight to sleep.

To have Lois spouting lines like that makes her look loopy. And aren't we supposed to believe that she's in love with Clark? Because from that speech, I wasn't getting that.
I don't get the Lois/Blur scenes either...in other versions of Superman, Lois and Superman have met, talked, interacted. It makes sense she'd fall for him. But it makes no sense here & I feel for ED trying to sell it.

I can be a contrary viewer. The more something is forced on me, the more I tend to dig in my heels and need to be convinced. Thats sort of how I feel with the Clois. I understand that they are moving full-steam ahead with it, and I'm fine with that. But really guys, subtle like a sledgehammer. It just feels like a bit of of overkill to me.</i. Yeah, they almost always over-egg the Big Romantic Moments. "Look, viewers, look!...Are you looking?" They should just trust the chemistry of the actors and let us draw our own conclusions. But there was enough action to keep this episode on track so I was pleased.
jeannev
Oct. 11th, 2009 03:23 am (UTC)
I think, overall, I enjoyed this one more then 1 & 2 as well. But it probably pissed me off more as well. I'm not sure how that dichotomy works.

I don't know what was funnier, Oliver's speech putting Lois to sleep, or the fact that he delivered it while admiring his own reflection. I half expected him to take his shirt off, and pose.

I happen to think that the fact that Lois and The Blur have no real face-to-face interaction is a big problem with this supposed infatuation.
miss_tress
Oct. 10th, 2009 11:21 pm (UTC)
OK, so now with the ranting....
*adds my name to your rant*

I just don't get how Oliver feels justified in being all mad at Clark for finally doing what Oliver has been telling him to do since he first found out about Clark's powers. He's out there inspiring hope and saving lots of people. Being all drunk and hopped up on goofballs is no excuse for his diatribe at Clark. Especially after Oliver's actions in last seasons finale.
jeannev
Oct. 11th, 2009 03:25 am (UTC)
We should get a "Shut Up Oliver" petition circulating. LOL

I don't really understand what Oliver is pissed off about either. Basically, to me, it just appears to be immature jealousy, and little else.

And what is it with characters not being able to take any responsibility for what they did last season? Its so frustrating to me.
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canadabear
Oct. 12th, 2009 05:15 am (UTC)
And aren't we supposed to believe that she's in love with Clark? Because from that speech, I wasn't getting that.
I think we're supposed to be getting conflicting feelings from Lois as episodes go on. Lois' feelings for the Blur are clear infatuation, which rarely leads anywhere. But right now, he makes her feel special and useful and needed. However, in Rabid, Lois didn't have the Blur to fall back on - he hadn't been keeping in touch with her as much. So Lois has to go through this with Clark as Clark and based on the looks she gives him as he's carrying her to safely and bandaging her leg, Lois' feelings for Clark are clearly not gone, either. Especially combined with how concerned over him she was last week. I have a feeling as the season progresses, the Blur is going to lose his shininess and become more of a story getter and Clark is going to go back to being the one Lois actually wants to make her feel special, useful and needed. The Blur, to me, is a pitstop girl crush Lois let herself get involved in because Clark made her think he wasn't interested and she had to transfer those feelings somewhere else.

Clark telling Oliver he was right didn't bother me. Because Clark has known all along that was the right thing to do - Davis should have gone to the Phantom Zone. And as I said in Seema's review, Oliver is being petty and juvenile, and Clark knows it. That they let Clark get fed up with him at the end helped immensely.
jeannev
Oct. 12th, 2009 01:25 pm (UTC)
I guess my biggest issue with Lois' speech is that the way it was set up, here she is, making what could be her last confession. And does she decide to talk about Clark, or her feelings for him? No. She talks about The Blur. So, I think that does set up some question as to where she's coming from. This was supposed to be, potentially, the last real, honest conversation she might have with Clark. And she talks about The Blur.

While I agree that there were other moments in this episode where Lois' affection for Clark were clearly evident, I do think her whole speech about The Blur was a mistake within this episode.

Well, and not to mention that some of it was just nonsensical. "All the good things we did together"? It wasn't just "about saving people"? When did any of that happen. She helped him once, in Metallo, and she nearly got killed.

I'm fine with Clark admitting that he should've trusted his instincts, and sent Davis to the Phantom Zone. I am NOT fine with Clark telling Oliver he was right, since Oliver kept advocating that Clark kill Davis. Putting aside that this didn't even seem possible, I do have an issue with Clark telling ANYONE advocates him killing that they are right.

I would've preferred a far more pissed-off Clark at the end. Fed-up? Yeah. But I'm of the mind that a more forceful reaction is needed and warranted. Frankly, I'm really disappointed in how Clark has buckled to both Chloe and Oliver in how the events of last season went down. And I've said all along, if that wasn't adequately addressed, and if Clark was not allowed the reaction he deserves, I'm going to have a huge problem with these relationships.
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jlvsclrk
Oct. 12th, 2009 06:11 am (UTC)
I'm finding it hard to evaluate an episode that has say 10 scream-at-the-TV minutes (Ollie time plus a bit of the Blur talk by Lois and that ludicrous CGI shot of Chloe/Emil lacing the clouds with Clark's blood) but also has at least 20 wow-oh-my-god-that-was-fun! minutes. It's definitely an episode I'll rewatch with the fast forward button in hand. ITA with the rant about Ollie. I have absolutely no use for the character anymore, and the random shirtlessness got old last year for me. I hate the idea that they dedicated so much screentime to his arc when they could have shown us lots more zombie mayhem. Sometimes the writers' priorities just don't make sense to me.

As for Lois's comments about working with the Blur, the only thing I could think was that her trip to the future somehow scrambled her brain circuits. Is what she "remembers" something related to her visions? Nah, probably asking too much of the writers. Chalk it up to brain damage I guess.
jeannev
Oct. 12th, 2009 01:28 pm (UTC)
Exactly! So much good, but offset by some really damned annoying shit. I don't know how I'm supposed to feel about that. Though I do appreciate that I had more of a reaction to this episode then the first 2.

Not to give away any spoilers, but it appears that focus on Oliver isn't going away anytime soon. And I couldn't be more aggravated by that. Really, why do I want to watch a character that constantly talks crap for absolutely NO reason whatsoever. I'll be honest, the delight that some fans take in this is really, really bothersome to me
dawnybee
Oct. 12th, 2009 08:40 am (UTC)
I think Clark speeding away with Dr Hamilton, and his reaction was probably my favorite part of the whole episode. I SO want to keep this guy. He's priceless.

I loved that scene. He’s so great. And I think he completely has a crush on Chloe. He’s a kepper!

And its not that I don't appreciate that those things should have their place in the episode. Its just that I wasn't sure the right balance was struck.

I agree. For zombies to be the major selling point and hype of the episode, it was a letdown to see that it was barely a real issue.

I felt like Caroline Dries snuck in, and wrote another one of her nonsensical Lois speeches. When did Lois and The Blur do all these amazing things together? When was Lois helping him to save people? Ah, Never Smallville. Sorry, it didn't happen. To have Lois spouting lines like that makes her look loopy.

LOL! I looked at it like she was being grandiose, like in “Metallo” when she filled Clark in on her hero-ing.

Bad, bad speech. I could pick it apart, line-by-line, but I think I'll just leave it at bad, and move on. Better for my sanity.

I think the writer is either new to the staff or one of the writers they have to hire once in awhile. Looking at their credits on IMDB, I’m not impressed.

Where was Oliver's great love for Lois all of last year? Heck, he barely acknowledged her, and he was all about Tess. Now, he's missing Lois and carrying around her picture? I'm not really buying that. Feels like manufactured angst to me.

What’s Smallville without an absolutely out of nowhere love triangle?

So, how did Dr Coates aka Bad Kandorian (or, as my sisters call them, the Kardassians) get a vial of Clark's blood?

LOL! I didn’t even think of that. I’m guessing cut scene or huge continuity error.

What the fuck SV? No, really, What The Fuck? Last week, we have Clark apologizing to Chloe, and this week we have Clark telling Oliver how right he was. That is some major fuckery.

I was hoping that Clark was telling him what he wanted to here like he did in “Injustice” because there is no way in the world that Oliver was right about anything relating to Davis. And the fact that Clark didn’t punch him in the face for shooting him and leading a coupe is a testament to how good a person Clark is.

Better Lois hair this week,

WAY BETTER. Lois looked like a barfly in “Savior”.

. And Wow, his body is looking awesome! Hurry for the Grey!.

Gah, I just needed for that shirt to be a bit tighter.
jeannev
Oct. 12th, 2009 01:33 pm (UTC)
Ya know, I really think in Emil, Chloe has found a truly good match. Mostly on an intellectual level, but also in him she has a confidant and confederate in the whole superhero world. It feels right to me.

I agree. For zombies to be the major selling point and hype of the episode, it was a letdown to see that it was barely a real issue.

Personally, I can't think of any situation where "More Zombies" isn't the way to go.

What’s Smallville without an absolutely out of nowhere love triangle?

A potentially better show? ;)

And the fact that Clark didn’t punch him in the face for shooting him and leading a coupe is a testament to how good a person Clark is.

Yeah, I agree. But its also making Clark seem like a sap to me. I get the whole "save everyone" thing, but when someone literally stabs you in the back, and constantly talks shit to you, there comes a time to cut bait, or look like a chump for taking it.

WAY BETTER. Lois looked like a barfly in “Savior”.

LOL. I was calling it Jersey Mall Hair. But it was nice this week.

Now, Tess' hair though? What was with that flat side, with the banana curls? Very strange.






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jeannev
Oct. 12th, 2009 01:35 pm (UTC)
I can't even believe how many comments I'm reading about how great this Oliver story is, and how funny the shit he said to Clark was. I'm, like, Really??!! This from the same fandom who was all over Clark's ass for being too emo or whiney. But Oliver turns into a self-pitying jackass, and its all "this is a great storyline!". WTF?

I don't think a kiss during the rain scene would've worked. Especially not after the whole Blur speech. What they did was the way to go.
shopgirl318
Oct. 12th, 2009 08:33 pm (UTC)
I loved your smallville post. I agree on the Clark/Oliver/Chloe dynamic, bottom line Clark has crappy friends and he needs new ones. When Lex was on he didn't even treat him like this. This really reaffirmed my Oliver hate, I never saw how anyone liked him, always thought he was worse than Lex. I lovd Clark/Lois rain scene, one of the best moments between them.
jeannev
Oct. 12th, 2009 08:50 pm (UTC)
I definitely think Clark needs new friends. I keep trying to tell myself that sometime, in the future, he'll have Bruce and Diana to confide in, and to watch his back. And those relationships will be healthier and more positive for Clark.

I think what always elevated the Lex stuff was that you always knew, deep down, that Lex felt love for Clark. With Oliver? I'm not getting that other layer. I'm just seeing jealousy, and pettiness, and inadequacy.

The rain scene was really lovely. Sometimes, SV pulls one of these moments out of their hats. Its always welcome to see.
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canadabear
Oct. 13th, 2009 12:00 am (UTC)
FYI, they've finally given your screentime totals their own thread at TWoP.
jeannev
Oct. 13th, 2009 12:37 am (UTC)
Ah, what?


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jeannev
Oct. 13th, 2009 02:43 pm (UTC)
Or, here's another one "Oliver drinks a bottle of rubbing alcohol, and chokes on his own vomit". Too mean? LOL

Are people seriously liking the Ollie storyline? And actually ok with his treatment of Clark? Seriously???

Yes!, and Yes! Don't you know, its funny when Oliver shits all over Clark. A damned laugh riot! And poor Oliver is sympathetic while being a self-pitying ass. Don't ask me how or why though. I seem to recall Clark was mocked all the damned time for being too whiney or emo. But hell, when Oliver does it? Its compelling. I guess. Not to me though.

But hey, I can understand that its just a difference of opinion about Oliver's storyline. I respect that. But being amused by the way he treats Clark? That just makes my blood boil.

Honestly, I find it harder and harded to take JH seriously as an actor if he doesn't put his foot down and keep his shirt on from time-to-time.

Tom is ludicrous-gorgeous at this point. I was showing someone the Tom Welling calender this weekend, and all she kept saying was "My God, look at his skin...look at his eyes...look at his mouth...look at his cheekbones...", and so on. The list really is that long.
la_belle_isa
Oct. 13th, 2009 03:21 pm (UTC)
//But hey, I can understand that its just a difference of opinion about Oliver's storyline. I respect that. But being amused by the way he treats Clark? That just makes my blood boil.//
I can't even get worked up about it anymore. The character is a joke and I don't care. Well, until he eats up time with villains that should be righfully Clark's. I remember I was furious when he became a regular in S8 but I noticed that the only ones who pay serious attention to Oliver are Clark fans. But not anymore for me.
//Honestly, I find it harder and harded to take JH seriously as an actor if he doesn't put his foot down and keep his shirt on from time-to-time.//
ITA and I would go farther and say that another actor could have done better with that role. I don't even like to hate Oliver. I still see JH as a soap actor, hired to be the replacement shirtless guy since Tom doesn't seem like he wants to do that anymore.
jeannev
Oct. 13th, 2009 03:32 pm (UTC)
I wish I was past getting worked up about the way Oliver acts around Clark. But I'm afraid it still bugs the shit out of me.

And yeah, knowing how much focus this character is going to get in the coming weeks, and that characters are being brought in just to serve his storyline (and most definitely NOT Clark's) pushes me further over the edge.

But I do think JH is a talented actor, and I like him very much. I don't blame him for the writing. But I do know that actors on SV have put their foot down in regards to dress code (TW and KK), so I get a little annoyed with JH and ED when they capitulate so easily to the exploitation. Besides, its fun once in a while, it gets to be a bad joke if its all the damned time.
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