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Have I mentioned yet that I'm going to the San Diego Comic Con this year?  Well, I am!  All 4 days.  I don't really know what to expect, since I've never been to anything quite like this.  I went to 2 Star Trek conventions though, because they were in Manhattan, and I was curious.  That was...interesting.  But I'm figuring this is far more diversified?  Well, I guess I'll find out.

Oh, also, I haven't watched ER in years and years, but I tuned in on thursday to see George Clooney and Julianna Marguiles.  And I was not disappionted at all.  I can't believe how easily Clooney slipped back into that role.  As though he just played the character yesterday.  I do so love a happy ending, so thats to the producers of ER for making sure Doug and Carol not only got theirs, but kept it. 

Now, onto Infamous, starting with the totals:

Running Time:  41m, 59s
(previously on:  53s)

Clark:  27m, 31s (season high thus far)
Chloe:  12m, 11s
Lois:  14m, 41s
Davis:  6m, 46s (add a few seconds if you want to count him in full Doomy mode)

Year to date (# of eps)

Clark:  315m, 31s (15)
Chloe:  185m, 16s (15)
Lois:  119m, 27s (9)
Jimmy:  67m, 29s (7)
Tess:  74m, 29s (9)
Davis:  59m, 31s (8)
Oliver:  83m, 18s (8)

Type your cut contents here.

"Little Orphan Alien??!!"  Really,  who the hell actually sat down, and wrote that line, and didn't seriously question their ability as a writer?

Ah, Ms Caroline Dries.  I should've known.

Let me start out by being totally honest and upfront.  My SV Squee is broken.  I had hoped that the time between the new eps and the last arc, coupled with a new episode I could really like, would restore my Squee.  But it just didn't, and frankly, this episode wasn't good enough to snap me back.  It wasn't a terrible episode either, it just wasn't the answer I was looking for.  Maybe there is no answer.

So, keeping that in mind, I'm trying to do a review that isn't overly bitter or ranty, and hopefully gives some credit where credit is due.

I will say that I think the concept of this episode had a lot of merit.  Was it used to its best potential?  Not even close.  But I could see the idea through the fog of bad dialogue, and rushed plotting, and plot contrivances.  I think some concepts though are just too big for 42m.  This was one of them.  Because of the time constraints, the immediate villification of Clark felt a bit over-the-top. 

My biggest issue with this episode though was the unbelievably awful dialogue.  I know SV doesn't do so great with the witty one-liners, and quipy puns and metaphors, but this episode actually made my head hurt.  Most especially the lines spoken by the increasingly spooky looking Tori Spelling.  Just some examples:

"He can save an entire city in the blink of an eye, but when it comes to ladies, the Red Blue Blur still drives with the brakes on"

"...circling the drain of obscurity"

"...dried up my prophetic pen, but I'm ready to make another splash"

"I thought the water snake slithered back to her swamp"

"The H2O has obviously gone to her head" 
  (Me:  What the hell does that even MEAN?)

"My blog has more hits then the Chicago mob"

"The Beatles have landed in Smallville"    (Me: 
Not actually an awful line, but what year do we live in?)

"Maybe you can have your cape and wear it too"

"While I've been puddling around Metropolis..."


OK, typing that all out was painful.  So was having to hear those lines, not once, but twice.  Je-Sus!  Who even talks like this?  And because the dialogue is so clunky, and phoney, it  did a great deal to take me right out of the episode.

The only characters that seemed to get really tight writing in this episode were Lois and Davis.  Both character fared very well, though I still don't really give a crap about Davis.  Woobie villian?  Been there, done that, bought the t-shirt.  And Davis?  You sir are no Lex Luthor.

And my biggest issue with dialogue was actually the barn scene between Lois and Clark.

Now, don't get me wrong, because this scene was performed beautifully by ED and TW.  Particulary ED.  But what the fuck were they talking about?  I did NOT GET the dialogue at all.  It reminded me of the Clana arguement in Siren, that was actually very confusing.  I'm going to post the dialogue for that barn scene here, because really flist, help a sister out.  What did you get out of this?  I'll include my own comments on the line.

Clark:  "My whole life, I've seemed different"   (ME:  You ARE different, silly muffin.  And haven't you been trying to seem normal?)

Lois:  "Some people spent their entire lives looking for a way to stand out  (ME:  is she referring to herself?)...to be a person that anybody would call special (ME:  again, herself?).  When you told first told me who you were, my thought was anbody but Clark (ME:  Totally lost on that one).  And not because of the alien thing.  I've known enough guys to know that you can be born on Terra Firma and be light years from normal" (ME:  Yup, still totally don't get her meaning).

Clark:  "Lois, you don't have to explain.  I get it" (ME:  Good, can you explain it to me?)

Lois:  "No, you don't.  (ME:  me either).  How can someone with x-ray vision be so blind?  (ME:  or normal vision, in my case I've been down the hero road before.  And everytime I made a U-turn.  But this....this was different"  (ME:  OK, I think she's saying that she would take that chance with Clark?)

Clark:  "And this time, it will be different Lois.  When I do this, no one's going to remember who I am"  (ME:  Is he even talking about the same thing as Lois here?)

Lois:  "And when you hit the reset button, you're not going to tell me your secet, are you?"

Clark:  "I'm sorry"

Lois:  "Its OK.  Why should I think I'm special?  Clark, I understand."  (ME:  again, I don't.  Can you 'splain it to me Lois?)

Clark:  "Lois, you don't understand.  Its because you are special.  I have to go."  (ME:  Well, thats vague).

All explanations for that scene are welcome.  But let me say again, the actors totally sold the nonsensical dialogue with everything they had).

One thing I did love about the barn scene was Lois kicking Linda's ass.

As a matter of fact, this was a terrific episode for Lois.  She was funny, appropriately snarky and pissed off, skeptical, loyal, feisty, and very, very sympathetic.  I like Lois for the most part.  Sometimes a lot, sometimes not so much.  But I have to say the writing for her this season, coupled with ED's performance has really won me over.  I think poor ED gets stuck with some hideous dialogue and situations to deal with.  And I always get this underlying feeling that the writers don't really care about Lois as much as they should (but probably not as little as they care about Clark).  But one things I got strongly from this episode is that I'm really rooting for Lois as an individual character, all of her own. 

I don't care much about Davis, but I did think SW was very on in this episode.  And I thought both Davis/Chloe scenes were quite good.  Hey, anyone recognize Janey from Watchmen?

I have a lot of problems with the first Chlark scene, and the last one.  The ones in the Kent living room, and in the woods were both just fine.  But I am beyond sick and tired and frustrated with the scenes of Chlark that have Chloe as the "smart one" and Clark as being slower on the uptake.  I'm just DONE with that.  Its unnecessary, lazy writing.  Its writing Chloe at the expense of Clark.  Because I have no doubt that when they write these scenes, they're thinking "Oh, Chloe is so smart...."  and they aren't really thinking about Clark at all.  I understand the need for exposition scenes, and I understand the concept of brainstorming, and bouncing ideas off a friend.  But thats not how these scenes read to me.  Not at all.  There's NO reason in the world to have Chloe spell out how Clark can have a double identity.  Enough with that shit!   Why can't something like that belong to Clark, and ONLY to Clark.  Why can they not give him that?  This is his life, and I want to see him coming to these conclusions.  I want to see him having these ideas. 

And frankly, I don't think these scenes serve the Chlark friendship well at all.  It makes Clark appear overly reliant on Chloe, and it makes me resent Chloe for being written at Clark's expense. 

Again, it comes back to writing.  Bad writing.

On the more positive side....I like the reveal to Lois (again, well played by both actors).  I liked the scene of Clark walking on the street, and having a second to enjoy the gratitude and adulation of the crowd.  However fleeting it was (can't let Clark be happy for more then a second, can we show?). 

Which brings this review to the last scene....Clark not showing up for coffee, and in a bigger sense, his decision that Lois can't know his secret.  I can be on board with Clark's decision not to tell Lois, but can I get a better explanation and verbalization from him on the whys of that.  I don't understand why they insist on keeping Clark's feelings and motivations so ambigious.  It makes him seem remote and cold, when he should be anything but. 

I was disappointed that they went this angsty route, but on the other hand, I sort of get it.  Its clear that Clark does have feelings for Lois, or he wouldn't have showed up at all, and looked so torn and sad (good job by TW there).  But I can't help thinking that Clark is being very juvenille here, as there have to be better, and kinder, ways to handle his confusion.  And I just felt awful for Lois.  And I don't want to feel awful for Lois because of things Clark is doing, if that makes sense.  I don't want to hurt for her because he hurt her.  Because I want to love My Clark!  I want to feel for him, and be in his corner.  And I wish I didn't feel like the show is trying to fight me on that.

So, overall, it was OK.  Not the shot in the arm I needed.  Not enough to get me to forget how disappointed I currently am in the show.  But it at least felt like a show about Clark Kent again, so there's that.  And this storyline did have movement for the relevant arcs, and evolution for the characters.  So, thats a big plus.

And next weeks preview?  CLESSSSSS!!!!!!

 

Comments

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jeannev
Mar. 15th, 2009 02:37 am (UTC)
What I do have a problem with is the notion of Chloe (or, really, any character who's not Clark himself) being almost entirely responsible for the concept of Superman, and that scene teetered dangerously close to going there.

Right, and not only is not the first time they've done this with Chloe, its not even the first time this season. I remember the scene in Identity rubbed me the wrong too. When she explained to him what a psuedonym is as though he was a backwards idiot. And I don't get why they write these scenes this way. The only conclusion I can come to is that they are so enamoured of Chloe and her smarts that the point of the scene is to highlight that....and how it ends up making Clark look is not a concern.

shardsofblu
Mar. 14th, 2009 05:15 pm (UTC)
They both totally got their wires crossed during the barn scene, though I don't know if that's the actual intent behind the whole thing.

To my understanding, Lois was talking about her feelings for Clark -- how she wanted to be someone special to him, that she's willing to change her previous stand of being with the hero types (Siren callback) just for him. But Clark himself was talking about his issues with Secrets & Lies and the whole shebang about double identities.

And ITA to the rest of your post. It's just going to be very, very hard to get back my squee for this show.

Hey, anyone recognize Janey from Watchmen?

lol, I did. Hey there Janey Slater. :)
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jeannev
Mar. 15th, 2009 02:40 am (UTC)
You might be right about Lois, but it sure was a confusing way to express that. And maybe not such a great time either. And Clark certainly didn't seem to be on the same wavelength. I found the dialogue so frustrating.

You can join me on the Squeee-less couch :(
tasabian
Mar. 14th, 2009 06:32 pm (UTC)
You have put my reaction into words much better than I could!

Hated:
- Lois as Lana-redux. Lois is supposed to be the fun, non-angsty girl who teases Clark and drags him out to have a beer. She's not supposed to mope over him and deliver an emo speech filled with baffling non-sequiturs. Are they trying to win over the Clana fans by writing her this way? I don't get it :( It's possible to have flirting and sexual tension without the moping.
- Clark turning back time to cope with Linda Lake. You kidding me? She's a minor-league villain at best.
- Every dumb line of dialogue you cited. Proof that Caroline Dries can only write Clex episodes and flails when given anything else.
- Tori Spelling's performance - proof that Tom is a fine director of actors. Tori worked well in "Hydro"; here, she was horrible.

Liked:
- Clark's posse of smitten fan-girls (so meta! I bet those young actors were completely Tom-smitten as well.)
- Lois asking if she was the first person Clark told, and his honest answer. This was the one character moment that rang true to me; if I was Lois, I'd want to know that too.
- Clark (briefly) enjoying the chance to stop hiding.
jeannev
Mar. 15th, 2009 02:46 am (UTC)
I'm so glad I'm not the only one that recognized some of the problems with this episode, Particularly with the dialogue. I was actually pretty high on Dries after Cyborg and especially Nemesis, but since then, she's mostly be a nightmare.

I'm guess I'm not really surprised that they are having Lois be a Lana-redux, since Lana is the apex of their romantic world. But its like they're doing it with not quite as much reverence for Lois. If that makes sense.

Again, kudos to Erica for the way she played that bit, when she found out that other people knew about Clark, and had for a long time. But that whole question, and answer, seemed to be a small kick to Lois. For one thing, I can't believe she'd actually think Clark hadn't told other people. But secondly, did she really need to hear how far down the totem pole she was? I swear sometimes, I think these writers dislike Clois. Its like they say "yeah, we'll give you Clois, but it won't be set up nearly as well as it should, and we'll often remind you that Lois can never match up to Lana, or Chloe".

I don't know, maybe its just me that gets that impression.
svgurl
Mar. 14th, 2009 07:34 pm (UTC)
Thanks for calculating the screen time. I always enjoy seeing that. :)

Some of those lines were really more ridiculous than I remember. LOL

Your review made me laugh in parts, especially when you were adding commentary into the dialogue.

I've been down the hero road before. And everytime I made a U-turn. But this....this was different" (ME: OK, I think she's saying that she would take that chance with Clark?)
Yeah, that's what I got from it. I think it's a nod back to the 'Siren' conversation, where she said she wasn't ready for Ollie but if with Clark, she would've taken that chance.

One thing I did love about the barn scene was Lois kicking Linda's ass.
Me too. I wanted to see Linda get her ass kicked and I was cheering Lois on.

There's NO reason in the world to have Chloe spell out how Clark can have a double identity. Enough with that shit! Why can't something like that belong to Clark, and ONLY to Clark. Why can they not give him that? This is his life, and I want to see him coming to these conclusions. I want to see him having these ideas.
Oh thank goodness. I thought I was the only one annoyed with the last scene and I didn't want to say it. I didn't mind the first Chlark scene because it did feel like Clark had his mind made up and just wanted to inform Chloe. But the last one ... I'm like "He's the one who remembered what happened ... he can easily draw these conclusions on his OWN". :\

While I didn't mind the last scene, I wish they weren't going down the angsty route. My heart just broke for Lois but I can see where Clark's coming from too.
jeannev
Mar. 15th, 2009 02:50 am (UTC)
As always, you are more then welcome for the numbers :)

It seems that there's a perception that if you object to these Chlark scenes where Chloe gets to play Brain to Clark's Pinky then you are somehow bashing Chloe, or don't want her to be close to Clark. But thats garbage. I want them to write that friendship better. I don't want them to write Chloe at Clark's expense (or ANYONE at Clark's expense). Its all well and good that Chloe is smart, etc. But I want Clark to be smart, to come up with ideas, to find things out for himself. He's the future Superman, she isn't. Why the writing for these interactions is so lazy, I have no clue.
heather
Mar. 14th, 2009 08:15 pm (UTC)
Basically, they picked up the season almost as if the Lana arc had never happened. That's why the whole damn thing felt off. The Lana arc was plenty enough to derail Clois for now (considering it undermined the whole thing), there was no reason to bring in more Clark!guilt with this storyline.

Not the worst ep ever, but it was pretty bad, imo.

Edited at 2009-03-14 08:16 pm (UTC)
jeannev
Mar. 15th, 2009 02:52 am (UTC)
Yes, thats pretty much what they did. And I can't get behind that, or respect it. They may have the attention span of a cocker spaniel puppy, but I don't. And ignoring it doesn't fix it, doesn't make it better, and doesn't establish solid foundation for Clark's future. I'm so freaking angry.

I feel like PS3 lost the beat of the season, so to speak.
goodvibe
Mar. 14th, 2009 09:10 pm (UTC)
I'm glad you went for it. ;-)

You've articulated far better than I managed, some of my own problems with the ep too. But ones I didn't touch upon in detail in my own review.

I see what you're saying about the Chlark. I only really had a problem with that last scene and you've hit the nail on exactly why. I think it's fine that Chloe actually brought up the subject. That's consistent, if nothing else, she did so first back in 'Identity' too. But then after that suggestion there needed to have been some sort of back and forth of sharing of ideas and input from Clark. Where, if Clark himself wasn't going to be given full credit for formulating the plan for the double identity, atleast he should have been allowed to have a say in it. The way it went down was very much a case of Clark being the silent recipient, and Chloe the all wise and knowing. For me, at this point, even more than the fact that these scenes prove deterimental to Clark - they're just so damn boring! And predictable. How many times can one see a variation of the same scenario? That's why I actually liked their scene in the woods and in the car. They did well to highlight the Chlark closeness, and Chloe' loyalty, but also the fact that these two can and should look out for each other, and not be so one sided. They were truly reflective more of scenes about best friends, as opposed to giving off the "mother-son" vibe that some of their other scenes unfortunately do.

The Clois barn scene, I agree, didn't have the best of dialogue. Which is unfortunate, because I thought most of the other Lois/Clark interactions did. What I got from it was basically subtext. Lois talking about more than just what she was letting on, Clark on a different plane, yet them only converging in thought for that one brief moment where Lois says she understands and Clark rebutts with the "you're special" line. Still utterly confused? Don't blame ya. Heh.

I did find Davis interesting in this ep, but as I was saying to latxcvi in my lj, I'm still not as invested in him as I would have thought. Back around the time of 'Bloodline', I thought there was so much potential to his storyline. But I just haven't liked the fact that his scenes were since steered mostly around this crazy love connection with Chloe.

ITA with everything you've said about Lois. Like you, I too, have had my share of ups and downs with her character, but I will admit that she's come such a long way. This was truly her showcase ep, in so many ways. And I know what you mean about that final Clois scene, because I felt a twinge of it too. But I honestly think, rather hope, that we were supposed to feel for both Lois and Clark there. Clearly, there are feelings on both sides, but there's also a helluva lot of baggage from Clark' side that needs to be addressed first. And TW did an amazing job in that scene. Like, whoa amazing. That lump in his throat and the visible, painful gulping? Outstanding, given the lack of script that's working against him.

Thanks for continuing to do the minutes, btw. Can't be easy, given the squee isn't exactly there yet. ::hugs:: This seems an appropriate season high for Clark, screentime wise. I wonder if anything will top it yet.

The trailer for next week looks good! Seems like an action packed ep.
jeannev
Mar. 15th, 2009 02:58 am (UTC)
I'm glad I went for it too. Once I started typing, it seemed to come together. But man, I remember when I used to run right to my computer thursday night to type a review, and I couldn't wait. Now, its more daunting a task, and I even dread it a little.

The way it went down was very much a case of Clark being the silent recipient, and Chloe the all wise and knowing. For me, at this point, even more than the fact that these scenes prove deterimental to Clark - they're just so damn boring! And predictable. How many times can one see a variation of the same scenario?

Exactly, Exactly!! And the thing is, there's no reason for Clark to be this dim. There's no reason for him not to consider this stuff on his own. There's absolutely no reason that he can't come up with his own scenarios. Except if he did, how would they write Chloe? And that seemes to be more important to them then Clark. How does that compute?

I think I'm so against the storyline course they took for Davis, I just won't even allow myself to care about him. I'm sick to death of being expected to empathize with the bad guys, while the main character and hero is somehow always wrong or to blame for something. Sick of it!

TW did manage to convey a lot in that last scene. I really felt for him in this episode, because I thought the dialogue, and the scenes, were working against him so much as an actor. And I don't think he managed to overcome that the whole episode (the Clark/Linda scene in the beginning was particularly bad).

Why do I have this feeling that the Cless stuff in the trailer will end up not being as much as it should be?

tjw_jaypat
Mar. 14th, 2009 11:34 pm (UTC)
Great review! I am especially glad for your pointing out the nonsensic dialogue. At first I was blaming myself, as a non-native English speaker, for being unusually slow to understand what they were talking about. At least now I know that there was nothing to understand because our cherished Caroline wrote crap again. Smallville seeems to attract the worst writers on the planet... :(
jeannev
Mar. 15th, 2009 03:00 am (UTC)
Thanks! :)

I am an educated, English speaker. Believe me, if you had problems with the dialogue, it had nothing to do with not having English as a first language. Truth be told, I'm not longer convinced English is a first language for Caroline Dries either.

And I agree with you, SV is stuck with some really mediocre writers.
la_belle_isa
Mar. 14th, 2009 11:53 pm (UTC)
LOL! I was going to say the exact thing as tjw jaypat! I really thought that I didn't quite get the Clois dialogue in the barn scene because English is not my mother tongue!At least, the characters seemed to understand each other! In general, I'm baffled by the laziness of the writing. In that case, it looks like Ms. Dries tries to be witty but fails miserably.
I also hate the clana feel of the last scene. It's a good scene but something, maybe the emo music, screamed "clana" to me.
jeannev
Mar. 15th, 2009 03:02 am (UTC)
No, your English comprehension was fine. Caroline Dries? Not so much. LOL

The writing is SO LAZY on this show. I could take a SV script, give me 2 hours, and without changing any plot, I could make it something more coherent. They are just lazy.

I know what you mean about the "Clana feel" of the last scene, but I have to admit, I love the source music.
jlvsclrk
Mar. 15th, 2009 12:24 am (UTC)
The last Chlark scene didn't bug me, maybe because I focussed more on Chloe's excitement at the thought of missing Clark Kent, international celebrity. And I thought her comment to Clark was more the seed of an idea: it's Clark who has to figure out how to fool everybody who knows him while being the world's most famous superhero. And Clark really doesn't want to go there right now: he hates the idea of essentially lying about half of his life (the more important half to him as a person.)

Yeah, that Clois barn conversation was a bit of a puzzler from the text. But I think that was kind of deliberate: we as the audience can see why they would work if they took a chance but the two characters don't go for it because they can't see past their own fears. For Lois, its the old fear that she's not a priority no matter how hard she tries (eg, with the general, various boyfriends). She's always turned away from relationships where she would have to take a second place (ie, Ollie) but maybe this time it would work. And she takes Clark's decision to turn back time as him saying she isn't worth it. But of course Clark is looking at an entirely different picture: one where he can't help people if he's hounded and persecuted, not to mention the demonstrated risk to her and Chloe if the world knows they know. So he's going to go back and keep the secret to keep her safe from that risk. Not to mention that I really thinks he feels he's damaged goods from the whole Clana fiasco. He can't give her his whole heart yet, and doesn't want to reinforce her negative self image when it comes to romance.
jeannev
Mar. 15th, 2009 03:05 am (UTC)
And I thought her comment to Clark was more the seed of an idea: it's Clark who has to figure out how to fool everybody who knows him while being the world's most famous superhero.

I guess I really want Clark to have the seeds. And if he doesn't, then how about no one have them at all? Its his life, and I hate the idea that he's just doing what other people (mostly Chloe) tell him to do, rather then coming up with his own ideas, choosing his own path. And since Chloe was basically describing exactly what Clark will do down to the detail, it felt like more then a seed.

Thats an interesting read on the Clois scene. I'll have to give that some consideration. :)
chatchien
Mar. 15th, 2009 01:14 am (UTC)
Thanks for the character times.

And thanks for the Barn Scene Transcript. I watched that scene 3 times and read your transcript, and I have no idea what either one of them was talking about either. I even started a diagram, but I watch this show for fun, not logic chart making.

I understand that the barn scene was supposed to be two characters coming at a problem (or maybe two problems) in two different ways and that they were supposed to be talking over and under each other's head. But good movie dialogue lets the audience in on each character's thought processes and knowing the characters the audience can extrapolate the rest. But this....this was a bad dog Shelby accident in the barn.

I sort of liked the idea of Linda Lake "puddling" around Metropolis, but most of the dialogue was too punningly pretentious (take that! Miss Dries!)

"The H2O has obviously gone to her head"
I thought that it made more sense as the C2O has gone to her head. But then we would lose the precious and pretentious water connection.

In a season one episode, Rogue, I think, Clark looks at Alexander the Great's breastplate at a museum function sponsored by Lex and Luthor Corp. The plate looks very much like his own Superman breast emblem will look. And not much comment is made about it. Chloe isn't standing there saying, "Look Clark. One day you can wear something like that only without all the diamonds."

That's the way that Smallville used to show Clark's influences. So that years later, when Clark does decide to wear the El emblem on his chest, we know what subconsciously influenced him. And not what "Chloe-onciously" told him to do. See---now I'm doing it. Darn you and the dialogue you wrote, Miss Dries!

Maybe this show will pick up in the next episodes. It will take awhile to build up speed after they stopped the show and ran it in a different direction with the Lana Arc.
jeannev
Mar. 15th, 2009 03:11 am (UTC)
You are welcome. I don't like the skimpy cast that is in eps this season, but it sure does make my life easier from a screentime total standpoint, LOL

As I was writing down the dialogue from the barn scene, I just couldn't believe how nonsensical it is. And ED and TW delivered it so heartfelt, but you have to imagine the both of them were thinking "Err..Wha?"

Hey, speaking of Shelby, I guess it was a good thing he wasn't around when the government Nazi's decided to open fire on Clark. Another scene that, while cool from a Superman perspective, was really pretty ridiculous.

And yes, they most certainly used to write Clark better, and thinking more for himself. I don't know why they've decided that Clark is rendered incapable of imagintion, thought and initiative without Chloe to help him. That just screams of serving her character, but not his. And it really taints the wonderful friendship that they built up between the characters.

I think recovery from the Lana arc is going to be tough. Very tough.
tjw_jaypat
Mar. 15th, 2009 11:38 am (UTC)
[quote]As I was writing down the dialogue from the barn scene, I just couldn't believe how nonsensical it is. And ED and TW delivered it so heartfelt, but you have to imagine the both of them were thinking "Err..Wha?"[/quote]

I think the story about Tom coming to the production office before Committed and telling them that he´s happy with this script because it makes sense, speaks volumes. Why would he do that if he was happy with the standard quality of the scripts? So I am sure he had a lot of WTF moments in Infamous. :)
jeannev
Mar. 15th, 2009 05:24 pm (UTC)
As much as I appreciate him for being such a mellow, professional guy, I also wish he used his "500 lb gorilla" influence a bit more, and demanded some changes. Because the writers on this show are really lame, and Clark gets screwed by them so often. Sometimes I really wish Tom was more of a pain in the ass.
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jeannev
Mar. 15th, 2009 07:21 pm (UTC)
Very nice reading on Lois there Luke. I can totally see that. I wish viewers didn't have to work so hard to suss this stuff out, but thats the shows failings, and they don't deserve to have such awesome fans as us :P

I'm always looking to get my Squee back, so I'm ready for it when it arrives again. Hopefully.

And yes, I too dream of a season where the writing for Clark is much, much better, and the writers work to avoid situations where people tell Clark what to do, think, how to be a hero, save people, etc. Its so frustrating to me that they don't recognize how wrong these scenes are. I was thinking if I got a chance to ask these showrunners a question, how I would even phrase a question like this. Its like I don't even know how to start, and I'd want to produce about a dozen examples to show them how messed up it is.

But for folks you can't recognize what was wrong with the Lana arc, what are the chances they'd recongize the problems with this sort of writing? None.
eeyore1017
Mar. 16th, 2009 12:05 pm (UTC)
I know a lot of people have already answered your questions, but I'm going to answer them anyway (without reading the other responses).

I guess Caroline thought she was being OH SO CLEVER with all of the water references, but like you said, a lot of them didn't even make sense.

but when it comes to ladies, the Red Blue Blur still drives with the brakes on"
This line was especially stupid to me.

Lois: "Some people spent their entire lives looking for a way to stand out (ME: is she referring to herself?)...to be a person that anybody would call special
I think Lois is talking about herself here and how she's wanted to be special or at least that someone special to one person. I think this could be a call-back to her Daddy issues along with romantic issues.

When you told first told me who you were, my thought was anybody but Clark
I was confused at first, but I think Lois meant that she doesn't want to deal with the hero stuff with another person she cares about so she didn't want Clark to be "super."
Then I think Lois is saying that she's not bothered by the alien thing.

Clark: "Lois, you don't have to explain. I get it"
Yeah, I'm not really sure about this line...

Lois: "No, you don't. (ME: me either). How can someone with x-ray vision be so blind? (ME: or normal vision, in my case) I've been down the hero road before. And everytime I made a U-turn. But this....this was different" (ME: OK, I think she's saying that she would take that chance with Clark?)
I guess she's saying that Clark doesn't get that she has romantic feelings for him? And I think you're right that she's saying she's willing to take a chance with Clark and the "hero road." It kind of contradicts what she just said a second ago though.

Clark: "And this time, it will be different Lois. When I do this, no one's going to remember who I am" (ME: Is he even talking about the same thing as Lois here?)

Lois: "And when you hit the reset button, you're not going to tell me your secet, are you?"

Clark: "I'm sorry"

Lois: "Its OK. Why should I think I'm special? Clark, I understand." (ME: again, I don't. Can you 'splain it to me Lois?)

Clark: "Lois, you don't understand. Its because you are special. I have to go." (ME: Well, thats vague).

This is all pretty confusing. I THINK Clark is saying that she won't have to worry about "the hero thing" once he goes back in time because she won't know about it and neither will anyone else. Also, he says she's special because he doesn't want to burden her with his secret. Kind of like how he didn't want Jimmy to be stuck with the knowledge of his secret either in Identity.

I have the same problems that you do with the Chlark scenes. I don't like it when Chloe is the one coming up with all the great ideas and solutions. And also, that it put her in an "I told you so" situation since she warned him not to "come out" and then he did and it back-fired.

My heart was breaking for Clark in the last scene at the cafe with Lois. I felt really bad for Lois too, but I felt my heart actually clench for Clark. I guess this is their way of stalling the relationship although it makes Clark (in Lois' eyes) look kind of like a jerk.

I'm looking forward to seeing Clark in heroic mode on the airplane this Thursday!





jeannev
Mar. 16th, 2009 01:42 pm (UTC)
Oh, I'm sure CD thought she was being "witty", but man, did she miss the mark. Even if the lines were clever and well-written (they weren't), too many of them was still going to ruin the effect.

I appreciate your attempt to decipher the Clois barn scene. Like some above, you have a pretty good take on it. But I can't help but being really resentful that we have to work so hard to try and figure out what the hell characters are talking about. And in Clark's case, what he's feeling. It shouldn't be like that. Thats not good writing, no matter how you look at it.

I really hope that heroic Clark on the plane, and Cless, is at least a decent chunk of the episode. If thats 5m to 30m of the Chimmy/Doom, I think I'm going to have to hurt someone.
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jeannev
Mar. 18th, 2009 12:47 am (UTC)
Yeah, I think its a pretty easy call that Lois was the best part of the episode, though she did get stuck with the most nonsencial dialogue, so hmmmm...

Really, I don't know why they ever gave Clark a dog if they were just going to ingore that he has a dog most of the time. Its a minor thing, but its one of those things that bugs in the back of your mind when there are scenes at the Kent Farm. All they need is a line of dialogue like:

Chloe :Where's Shelby?

Clark: I spent so much time at work, and out patrolling, that my neighbor Ben Hubbard has been looking after him, and he seems to be happy over there..."

See? Done! Shelby is happy, taken care of, and not forgotten by Clark.

God, the SV writers are such enormous buttholes!!
legendsinlove
Mar. 18th, 2009 09:46 am (UTC)
I'm sorry your SV Squee is broken! Although I totally understand why. Smallville doesn't make it easy for viewers.

And I think you're right, it all comes down to the writing. The rushed plotting was so glaring this episode and, well, we all know how bad the dialogue was. Seeing those lines at the beginning of your post just highlight how cringeworthy it all was.

I think Tom and Erica both did a great job making Clark and Lois' issues real and sympathetic even if the writing was working against them.

Thanks for the minutes! You are such a trooper.
jeannev
Mar. 18th, 2009 01:41 pm (UTC)
Its been a tough year, because it started out so well, and I allowed myself to hope that they were going to do right by Clark this season, and write him as he should be written. So, to see it all go down in flames is just damn depressing. *sigh*

I think things like plotholes, or rushed storylines can be forgiven if there's enough in the storyline to make you happy. I didn't feel like that was the case here, so I ended up being unable to focus on anything but the plotholes and the terrible dialogue. The performances were the only real bright spot, along with about 2-3 actual scenes in the episode.

And you're welcome for the minutes. I'm in it for the long haul, so we'll have those till the very end. Lets hope it isn't a bitter end.
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