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Screentime Minutes for Requiem


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Running Time: 41m, 36s

Clark: 23m, 35s
Chloe: 10m, 19s
Oliver: 12m, 10s

St Lana: 19m, 21s

Year to Date (# of eps)

Clark: 288m, - (14)
Chloe: 173m, 5s (14)
Lois: 104m, 46s (8)
Jimmy: 67m, 29s (7)
Tess: 74m, 29s (9)
Davis: 52m, 45s (7)
Oliver: 83m, 18s (8)

St Lana: 68m, 14s (5)



It occured to me how appropriate this episode title was.  Oh, not for the reasons the oh-so-clever SV writers (thats meant ironically, BTW) probably thought.  But more for the impact it had on many fans.  One of the definitions of Requiem is a dirge or other solemn chant for the repose of the dead.  I just think the "death" is the affection many (or some, I don't know) had for the show.

But hey, Lana is A-Mazing!!!  Does anything else matter?  Apparently not so much.

I still believe Clark can be Superman.  Or, a Superman, anyway.  I believe he can be heroic, and save lives, and protect humanity.  I just think he'll be a broken, sad, lonely, guilt ridden Superman who will go about his duties as an obligation and penance.  I don't see any happy ending for Clark in all this.  It will never be allowed.  What a positive, uplifting story SV has spun.  I know I feel inspired /sarcasm

And thats my review.



Comments

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svgurl
Feb. 7th, 2009 06:18 am (UTC)
Thanks for compiling the numbers! They're always nice to see, even in a crappy episode like this one. I can't believe Lana's been in five episodes and she has a higher ST total than both Jimmy and Davis. I guess we should be grateful they allowed Clark to have more time than Lana in this episode. *rolls eyes*

I just think he'll be a broken, sad, lonely, guilt ridden Superman who will go about his duties as an obligation and penance. I don't see any happy ending for Clark in all this.

Which is so sad and heartbreaking. :(

PS3 sucks. If you need me, I'll be in Vancouver, finding and replacing them w/ robots I can mind control. :\
jeannev
Feb. 7th, 2009 10:11 pm (UTC)
Hey, if you're in Vancouver, find Tom, Jensen and Jared and go out for a beer. :)
tariel22
Feb. 7th, 2009 06:36 am (UTC)
I really appreciate the screentime minutes, thanks so much for taking the time to compile them. I think your take on Requiem is exactly right. It really has been quite stunning to see the rage and sorrow this episode has inspired across fandom. People who I have always considered to be among the show's most devoted fans are vowing to never watch again. I really wish PS3 would explain what they were thinking, but I'm sure we'll never know.

After watching the beginning of this season, I honestly thought Slavkin and Swimmer liked and respected Clark. I should have known better. This all feels so much like S6 and S7, all over again. *sighs*
jeannev
Feb. 7th, 2009 10:14 pm (UTC)
I think whats also interesting about the rage and sorrow, there's also a considerable amount of silence. Honestly, I think people were more verbal about Power. Thats why this episode feels more like a death in the fandom. Because so many don't seem to care enough anymore to express themselves.

Apparently like and respect for Clark can only happen when other characters are not around. When they are? Clark is tossed out on the garbage pile. Again.
tariel22
Feb. 7th, 2009 11:23 pm (UTC)
I think whats also interesting about the rage and sorrow, there's also a considerable amount of silence.

That's an interesting point. My Requiem review sat there for hours without a single comment, and has far fewer comments than my reviews usually do. I figured it was because people didn't like what I had to say, and I know that's the case for some people in particular, but I guess there could be more to it.

Nothing about the Clana ending was a surprise by the time we actually saw it. Between the spoilers, the trailers, and the handwriting on the wall, I think we all saw it coming. So while Power left me outraged and fuming, Requiem left me resigned and broken. What more is there to say? They've done their worst, and we're left with the wreckage.

And I know this is totally unreasonable, and you said something similar after Power, I think, but part of me is angry that Tom doesn't somehow stand up for Clark. Does he buy into this crap? Does he just not care? Is he truly powerless, and has no choice but to show up and hit his marks? If so, I commend his professionalism, because there is no doubt in my mind he was giving us the best performance he could, but still, I want more from him. This is his character, and he's spent virtually his entire career playing him. Who is better suited to be Clark's advocate?
jeannev
Feb. 8th, 2009 01:58 am (UTC)
I don't think the lack of immediate replies on your review had anything to do with the review itself. I think its just where fans are at this point.

After Power, No, the Clana ending wasn't a suprise. But I think I still held out some hope until that last minute.

And frankly, I'm annoyed with Tom too. I don't believe he doesn't have any power. I could believe that he just stopped bothering with AlMiles due to issues, but with this new team? I think he absolutely could throw his weight around. He literally is the 500 lb gorilla in the middle of the room. Apparently AM and KK had no problems expressing what they wanted. So, that leads me to believe that he just doesn't really care at this point. And that makes me sad.
tariel22
Feb. 8th, 2009 02:32 am (UTC)
When both KK and AM talk in interviews about the script changes they were able to make happen, it certainly makes you wonder. And if he doesn't care, why in the world would he even contemplate signing on for another season? I do think Tom doesn't care at all about his fans, but I thought at least the work meant something to him.
canadabear
Feb. 7th, 2009 07:16 am (UTC)
I can only offer hugs and sympathy. I wish I could argue against this, but I can't. I've long had a theory that Clark tends to operate on "numb" anyway, and this is just going to enforce that.
jeannev
Feb. 7th, 2009 10:15 pm (UTC)
"Numb" is a very good way to describe it. I can definitely envision that for our SV Clark. How sad.
heather
Feb. 7th, 2009 08:20 am (UTC)
I just think he'll be a broken, sad, lonely, guilt ridden Superman who will go about his duties as an obligation and penance.

Yeah, this is the problem, isn't it? :( In this probably-last season, for them to close it out like this is kind of unbelievable. There's just not enough time to come back from it, and it casts a pall over anything that might happen with Lois and any decisions he makes. I don't understand why they can't let Clark grow. It's incredibly frustrating that I can think of about five different, non-copout endings for Clana that could have developed naturally from events in season 7, and would have allowed some character growth for them both. But PS3 can't seem to do anything that puts Clark in control over his own life or lets Lana suffer the consequences of her decisions.

It's like PS3 were body-snatched for the first half of the season, or something, because they've now managed, within four episodes, to undo the progress both he AND Lana had made. I was impressed with their conversations in Bride and Legion, and it's just gone so wrong.
jeannev
Feb. 7th, 2009 10:19 pm (UTC)
Well, ya know, AlMiles always talked about how the show would end a tragedy. I guess PS3 just worship at that altar. Of course, some of the machinations they use to achieve that "tragedy" are pretty ridiculous and insulting. But hey, why be a young Superman story when you can be...this?

The first part of the season just feels like some big bait-and-switch to me. Sort of like "Hey look Clarks fans, this is what the show could be if we liked and respected Clark....but PSYCH!</i>.
gildinwen
Feb. 7th, 2009 10:29 am (UTC)
Oh god yes. It's like they tried to make Clark into Batman with Superpowers, (Not that I think a Batman series is a bad idea-) It's clear they never really cared about Superman as a character......I don't know how they'll fix this. Or even if they want to or can.
jeannev
Feb. 7th, 2009 10:21 pm (UTC)
I'm not even sure its Batman, because Batman is darker and broodier, and so seems like broken by his tragedy. Sort of like how he finds a way to channel all that dysfunction. Clark just seems like something that should be light and hope, and was just crushed and broken.
shardsofblu
Feb. 9th, 2009 11:07 am (UTC)
For me even Batman represents hope, albeit in a very different way. At least, he's supposed to be -- in the sense that this is a man who has so many crazy shit thrown his way (I'd even venture to say that his parents' deaths are the least of it) and yet he'd always come through at the end.

In a season where Clark had basically contemplated suicide, was frozen by his psycho dad, got his psycho uncle unleashed upon the world, was tortured and carved with kryptonite, trapped in a kryptonite cage, watched his girlfriend tortured by Brainiac, got dumped afterwards, his only blood family disappeared to God knows where and having an ice castle dropped on him by his former friend -- I can still see hope and his strength in all that, I can still believe in him finding his happiness in the future. But this Clark from Requiem? None whatsoever.
jeannev
Feb. 9th, 2009 02:52 pm (UTC)
Wow, thats a very good point. I think maybe part of that was that we always believed that there was this happy, fulfilling relationship/partnership out there for Clark, so we knew there was some sort of pot of gold at the end of his rainbow. And now, that seems sort of doubtful.
shardsofblu
Feb. 9th, 2009 03:15 pm (UTC)
I think I've mentioned this quite a number of times already, but S7 has always been a very strong Clark season for me. It was massively depressing and unhappy, he's repeatedly beaten and broken down, true, but there was still this sense of resilience and integrity that made me believe in this character with all my heart, and root for him. Traveler and Descent are easily some of the best SV episodes EVER for me. In retrospect, even his relationship with Lana he still managed to retain somewhat of a dignity, by at least being able to *acknowledge* when she was being out of her mind and was actually allowed to call out on her shit.

But Power & Requiem? There's just NOTHING. Nothing at all. They *shredded* him completely, dead and simply a shell just like Lex himself.
gildinwen
Feb. 9th, 2009 01:16 pm (UTC)
Oh yes definately.......Like you and Shardsofblu, even Batman manages to come through all the crazy shit he's thrown his way, and remain a (relatively) sane person, and dark symbol of hope. But clark is supposed to this bright shining optimistic symbol of hope and.....this?
carolandtom
Feb. 7th, 2009 12:35 pm (UTC)
I'll never understand what those people were thinking or what they pretended. Did they want to translate into a script their blind and out-of-proportion adoration of a character? Did they really believe they were doing a good job? Did they even care?
After eight years of watching faithfully, there are no words to describe the utter frustration and disappointment that I feel right now. This has taught me a lesson: never fall in love with another TV show again. I should have known better.
jeannev
Feb. 7th, 2009 10:23 pm (UTC)
I have no clue what they were thinking with this either? Well, check that, I do know what they were thinking, I just don't really get how they tell themselves that his is good stuff.

And its really true, Clark fans never really get a payoff for him. Not really. So, he becomes Superman? Well, its hard to rejoice in that when he's just a shell of himself when he gets there. I think most people wanted to imagine happiness for Clark post-SV. How can people honestly do that? I can't.
goodvibe
Feb. 7th, 2009 01:00 pm (UTC)
//But more for the impact it had on many fans. One of the definitions of Requiem is a dirge or other solemn chant for the repose of the dead. I just think the "death" is the affection many (or some, I don't know) had for the show.//

::nods::

Thankyou for the numbers though. I know it must've been painful to do it for these last two eps.
jeannev
Feb. 7th, 2009 10:24 pm (UTC)
Strangely enough, for this one, I just sort of numb when going through it. Power I had to do with the sound off, or I would've hurt something.
duskwillow
Feb. 7th, 2009 01:16 pm (UTC)
You're a brave person to watch that trainwreck twice.
jeannev
Feb. 7th, 2009 10:25 pm (UTC)
I'm not sure if it was brave, or just incredibly stupid and masochistic. Probably a combo of both. And stubborn too, since I'm resolved to finish this project off.
la_belle_isa
Feb. 7th, 2009 02:49 pm (UTC)
//One of the definitions of Requiem is a dirge or other solemn chant for the repose of the dead. I just think the "death" is the affection many (or some, I don't know) had for the show.//

THIS is brilliant. They really put all the stops to make Lana departure grandiose and symbolic, and they just ended celebrating the death of the show for a lot of fans.

Thanks for the screentime minutes. So Lana had more minutes in average per episode than anyone else except Clark.
jeannev
Feb. 7th, 2009 10:27 pm (UTC)
This whole ending was ALL about Lana. Not Clark. Clark was irrelevant. For Clark to make any sort of decision? To take any sort of control of his life? To question any decision she made? To even remotely be as great and super as Lana? Not even a consideration. Not a blip on the radar.

It was All. For. Lana. Pure and simple.

Even Lex got dragged though the mud some more. For Lana.

Ironic that it wasn't until her final parting that TIIC managed to truly make me loathe the character.
tasabian
Feb. 7th, 2009 06:56 pm (UTC)
Thank you for not counting fake!Lex as Lex screen time.

One of the definitions of Requiem is a dirge or other solemn chant for the repose of the dead. I just think the "death" is the affection many (or some, I don't know) had for the show.
For this episode title, I would have gone with "Pyrrhic" myself.
jeannev
Feb. 7th, 2009 10:29 pm (UTC)
There's only ONE Lex! Accept no substitutes.

And that episode title would've been quite appropriate as well.

I keep thinking of all these death/funeral type names for episodes, and think they should have used them for the rest of the season. Sort of like one long funeral procession.
(Anonymous)
Feb. 7th, 2009 07:46 pm (UTC)
Be happy that Lana didn't fly. It took outside forces to separate Clark and Lana instead of doing it on their own. Requiem refers to the deaths of Clana, Lex, and Green Arrow as a hero.

When Lois returns, she'll be more interested in the red-blue blur than Clark thus creating the iconic triangle of Superman/ Clark Kent/ Lois Lane.
jeannev
Feb. 7th, 2009 10:31 pm (UTC)
I do understand what they were going for with the title, and its a good title. I just think it can be used for parts of the fandom as well.

And you may be right about where they're going with the story once Lois comes back. But I still don't think you can make that story really work at this point. Why would anyone want Lois to be interested in the red/blue blur, knowing its Clark, who will never get over Lana? Unless one looks at it from purely a journalistic POV. Then yeah, you could root for Lois to land the story to solidify her career.
kelvintage
Feb. 8th, 2009 12:23 am (UTC)
Let me say first that I haven't seen POWER or REQUIEM yet but I've heard so many awful things that I don't think I want to really. I did like Legion though.

So this was my worst nightmare from before season 8 even began. I think there were serious pacing problems from PS3 in the first half of the season. Lois loving Clark by episode 5? WTF? That's terrible writing right there. I think fans were jumping the gun when they said season 8 was a rebirth or whatever. I don't think it's Lana's fault or Kristin's. The writers are to blame once again. Everyone is just taking it out on Lana because the writers decided to make her a certain way. On and I take the whole season into consideration. The first half was decent I admit but it doesn't matter if the second is terrible and it seems to be going that way.

I never trusted PS3. Gough and Miller lost their way and their minions don't know any better as shown by the second half of the season. Not only do they write terrible stories but they are attemting to stall once again. Something else they learned from AlMiles is to bring in a new DC character every week. WHO CARES? Just because they are DC characters doesn't mean that they will be a good character serving Clark's story or even portrayed by a good actor. WHO CARES ABOUT TOYMAN? Read about him but he's probably not too important to Clark's stoyrline. I honestly cannot believe that Tom wants to do another season. It confounds me to no end. I read posts by people saying that Tom should stay and the show should go on for 10 seasons. I want to punch those people in the face! Tom owes us absolutely nothing, which he knows since he hasn't done an interview in three years and hasn't said anything to his fans. I know I sound like I'm criticising Tom but I'm just annoyed right now.

I would say good riddance to Swimmer and Slavin but the other two suck just as much as they do. Smallville is doomed. Get out while you can Tom! Don't be fooled. Sorry for ranting! I hope you don't let Smallville get you down too much.
jeannev
Feb. 8th, 2009 02:04 am (UTC)
You are right that the first part of the season was not without its problems. They did rush the stuff with Lois' feelings. Absolutely. And their lack of explanation about Clark getting the job at the DP will always grate. But they seemed to be getting so much right with Clark, and he was coming across as capable, and heroic, and determined, and intelligent. And all of that goes a long way to making the flaws easier to take.

But you are right, having faith in PS3 was a HUGE mistake. Enormous, in fact. I always believed Souders/Peterson sucked. So, no shock there. But I think a lot of people were snowed by Slavkin/Swimmer, and actually thought they were more Clark oriented, more respectful of the Superman legacy. Boy, were we wrong!!!

I also agree with you that an assembly line of DC characters does not make it a good show. I liked the idea of Toyman, and I liked the actor, but it really had so little to do with Clark. And not to name names, but it feels like the same sort of thing is coming up with Hex, where a DC character is involved, and their involvement with Clark is peripheral. Thats moronic!

Tom Welling is such an enigma at this point, I don't think any of us could even guess where he's coming from. But there's a part of me that thinks he's already made the decision to get out of this business, or acting at least, and he's just decided to get as much money from this gig now so that he has more freedom to do what he wants in the future.
eeyore1017
Feb. 9th, 2009 05:23 pm (UTC)
So I was just on TWoP, reading people's thoughts on Requiem and most of them do think that it was a crapfest. Anyway, someone brought up a good point that I'd forgotten about. Who was texting Lana in Bride about "the archer?" Dr. Grohl? That doesn't really make sense. What do you think?

And Lana has more screentime than Jimmy? Ugh!

Edited at 2009-02-09 05:27 pm (UTC)
jeannev
Feb. 9th, 2009 05:38 pm (UTC)
I have no clue, and I'm not sure these writers even thought about how to tie up that loose end. Maybe it was the guy that trained her? I know know.

Think we will ever find out who "X" was? I don't.

I really did expect Lana to get a lot of screentime, so I'm not complaining about that. Its all in how they used it to me. But definitely, Jimmy has gotten crap to do this season.
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jeannev
Feb. 9th, 2009 05:42 pm (UTC)
Strangely enough, this one wasn't as bad as Power for me. I don't know whether it was because I was resigned, or had a good indication of where it was going, or what.

I'm pretty sure that all evidence to the contrary, telling the story of Clark Kent was never that high up on the agenda for TPTB. Maybe in the earlier seasons. But not for a long time now. I don't know how anyone could watch the last 2 eps, and not think that the writers were far more rooted in Lana's POV and character then Clark's.

Like you, I totally don't know where Tom is coming from anymore. I still love him, but he's a mystery. I can't say that I agree with the path he's chosen in dealing with his career.
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