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A General Tom Welling/SV Post

OK, SV comes back next week with a new episode.  Its been off the air for about 7 weeks now.  Why can't the CW just do a bit of a push for it?  I don't know, I hear they are running the promo a lot, but you'd think they'd make a poster or something.  I figured if there were really any promo pics that had been taken (as rumored by the TV Guide Matt guy), then we'd probably have seen them this week.  But I always doubted that such photos actually existed.  Matt seems like a nice guy, but my feeling is that he doesn't actually have a lot of reliable SV intel.  And where are the Bulletproof stills?  Shouldn't we have those by now?  And how come PS3 aren't out there, beating the drum for the return of the show?  With very little network promotion, you'd think they'd be out there, talking to the 'net sites, trying to work up some excitement.

I'm feeling frustrated. *grumbles*

But, then I watched this interview that Tom did for The Fog, and it made me smile.  Though dealing with these sorts of inane interviewers might explain why he doesn't do them anymore.


http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=q7mCqtE1eAU&feature=related

The anchorwoman blowing him the kiss cracks me the hell up!! 

There are no spoilers for S8 in the following thoughts and questions, but it does deal with where this season is going, and where a S9 might go.  Just in case...:)


As we've all probably read by now, EW's Ausiello is reporting that Tom is close to signing on for a S9.   According to a source that posts at DTTW (whom I trust), its a done deal and Tom is already signed, its just a matter of waiting to see what The CW wants to do.  My feelings about this are very mixed, as I discussed on a few of my fellow flisties journals.  But I've enjoyed the show this season overall, and I enjoy watching Tom on a weekly basis.  So, I'm on board.  I just really hope that Tom made a good deal for himself, and it included some sort of movie deal.  I'm sure he'll get more money, possibly a producers credit, maybe some sort of creative control (which I believe would be a positive for the show).  But I really want a career for Tom in the film industry after SV, and so I hope this deal had something of that in there. 

This was discussed a bit on K-Site, and I thought it was an interesting subject to discuss, so I'll throw it out here on my journal.  If S9 does in fact happen, what do you see being the storyline arcs?  Do you see the cast being in tact, or do you see changes being made?  How would you do it?

For me, I'd bring the Doomsday arc to a head at the end of this season, and perhaps secure SW for the first few eps of S9, but not beyond that.  As solid an actor as I believe SW is, Doomsday/Davis just feels like a 1 season big bad to me. 

I would have Tom being the only cast member with a guaranteed 22 eps.  Allison and Erica should be at about 18-19.  Aaron and Cassiday at about 15-16.  I think having character miss so many episodes in a season just hurts their character arcs, and denies them on screen development.  It worked with John Glover because Lionel was so bigger then life, and it wasn't hard to believe that Lionel had all sorts of things cooking in Offscreensville.  But it doesn't really work for me with the younger cast members, who seem to disappear without a mention. 

My one big question mark is Justin Hartley.  I like the guy, though I'm a bit ambivalent on Oliver overall.  And I just don't think the show has quite figured out how to intergrate him into being a regular.  Like Lionel, he's a character that is easy to imagine an off screen life for.  But he seems very disconnected when he does reappear.  I think they can do a better job of integrating him with the cast, but I guess I'm wondering if its worth the budget money.  Should that be an issue.  I suspect that part, or all, of JH's salary is being paid for by the CW, and if thats the case, then they might as well keep him around.  But if not, then I'm not quite sure I think Oliver should be back as a regular for S9.  Whatever my feelings about the actor.

The big question that arises out of S9 is really how do you stretch out the story?  Its easy to imagine what they could do with the DP, and Lois and Clark being journalists.  But can you effectively tell Clark's story for another season without him donning the cape and tights and taking flight? 

Comments

( 42 comments )
theninthdoctor
Jan. 9th, 2009 03:14 am (UTC)
I don't think we should celebrate Tom re-signing until it's been announced by The CW or in Variety or something like that... but that's the skeptic in me, especially when it comes to Ausiello and contract stuff. However, the DTTW insider would know things I don't, so here's hoping.

As for who should be on next year? I suspect they signed Allison for 22 at the same time they signed her on for S8, though if budget becomes an issue, maybe they'd drop it. It'd really be more fair to Erica (and her fans) to give her more.

With others... it's weird, because I want Clark to have guy friends, but both Oliver and Jimmy are disposable right now... I'd rather have John Jones if at all possible, though, Clark does need a guy friend his own age, so, I don't know. I really am not ready to let go of Sam Witwer and hope he'd have a role for S, even if it's as the new human form of Zod if the Doomsday arc is done.

It surprises me, with as much as TPTB love their triangles, that they haven't gone for Clark/Lois/Oliver or Oliver/Lois/Black Canary yet. That stuff is just made for this show!

With Tess, it really depends on how they play her in the second half of the season. Even though we last saw her in episode #8 (I think) it feels like she's been gone forever already.

I honestly don't see The CW as having something [new and] better to run next year, and I believe Warner Bros. wants a 9-season run. But I could be completely wrong. Even if they pick up a new project or two (new Melrose maybe?), they still will have holes in the schedule.
jeannev
Jan. 9th, 2009 03:24 am (UTC)
Oh, I agree with you about maintaining a healthy skepticism about Tom being signed, sealed and delivered until its officially announced. I'm still firmly in "maybe" land. :)

My reasons for not giving anyone but Tom 22 eps is that it gives the writers a little wiggle room to not have to shove a character into every episode. And really, this isn't a new problem for the show, as we've seen regulars show up for a very short 1 or 2 scenes in eps that didn't really need them. If they don't feel like they need to do that, it might help a bit with the budget as well.

I also want Clark to have guy friends, but they seem to have a real problem writing this, don't they? Jimmy should be Clark's friend, not a love interest. Oliver should be Clark's friend, but he's sort of flitted in and out of the show. John Jones is awesome, but more older mentor then guy friend.

I think my problem with hanging onto Doomsday is that I really have a huge problem working up any empathy for a character thats covered in blood, dumping bags of people in dumpsters. Its like they already went too far with him, and I'm not sure how you could sustain him.

I'm very happy for them to keep Clark out of romantic triangles, thank you very much, LOL ;) But you'd think Tess/Oliver/Dinah might be something they could explore. I wonder if PS3 don't have quite the same love for triangles as AlMiles did.

I think what the CW is in a lot of trouble, and I think its very hard to predict which way they might go. But having visited some of the TV ratings sites, most seem to think SV being renewed is a sure thing. But at what budget?

Edited at 2009-01-09 03:25 am (UTC)
theninthdoctor
Jan. 9th, 2009 03:31 am (UTC)
I disagree re: the triangles... I think PS3 LOVE them. That was one of their reasons, allegedly, for not getting Kara for S8... she couldn't be part of a triangle.

Allison in less than 22 might cause riots. Remember the response to "Apocalypse" last season from that faction, or have you seen the comments on "Hex?" Although, two of the best episodes in SV's history had no Chloe - "Insurgence" and "Memoria." (Chloe wasn't in "Memoria," was she? If she was I apologize for being wrong...)

Regarding Clark and guy friends: It's really too bad for the Jimmy character and for Aaron that he always has to be a love interest. I like Jimmy when he's not being a prat as part of a triangle - see "Identity" or "Static" as examples - but they keep "going there" and I don't think it's right for the character AT ALL.

I also feel Chloe has suffered as a character because of being forced into this relationship with Jimmy. I don't want to see her back at the Planet like some have suggested, but I would love to see her revisit those investigative roots and do something "underground" like a blog or something like that... which would be true to her classic "wall of weird" days. I don't think that's in the cards, though.
jeannev
Jan. 9th, 2009 03:40 am (UTC)
I think PS3 have to pull up their big boy panties, and not try to cater to loud fan factions. Because you can't write a show that way. And its the last season anyway. Considering Allison is in 22 eps this season, and there's still an outcry, I don't think cutting her back a bit, but making the most of her episodes, is a crime against humanity.

I definitely agree that Chloe and Jimmy have both suffered as a characters due to the insistence in pushing Chimmy. And I totally don't get it.

I think the best role for Chloe is as an Oracle type of character. It allows her to use her made hacking skillz, allows her to still work with Clark (and Oliver, and any other visiting hero), and lets her remain firmly in the hero column.
tasabian
Jan. 9th, 2009 03:18 am (UTC)
The big question that arises out of S9 is really how do you stretch out the story? Its easy to imagine what they could do with the DP, and Lois and Clark being journalists. But can you effectively tell Clark's story for another season without him donning the cape and tights and taking flight?

I would divide S9 into four-episode arcs. S8 proves that Tom anchors the show & everyone else is supporting cast. So Tom appears in every ep and rotates through several story lines.

Ep 1 - 4:
- focus is on Clark at the DP
- supporting cast: Lois & Jimmy
villain: The Edge crime syndicate

Ep 5 - 9
Clark and the Justice League
supporting cast: Chloe (as Oracle), Oliver, Kara, whatever JL boys & girls are affordable on a decreased budget.
villain: Vandal Savage (they wouldn't be able to afford Dean Cain again...but it was never specified that DC was playing VS.)

Ep 10 - 13
Clark at the DP
supporting cast: Lois & Jimmy
villain: Mr. Mxyzptlk (Played by a new actor)

Ep 14 - 17
Clark and the Justice League
supporting cast: Chloe + Justice League.
villain: Zor-El + Zod.

Ep 18 - 21
Clark in an alternate reality
supporting cast: Lex (I think MR would totally come back to play a good AU!Lex with hair.)
villain: Assisted by AU!Lex, Clark takes on a tyrannical version of himself, making up for the Lana-whipped Bizarro of S7.

Final scene: Clark says an emotional goodbye....to Martha, and flies away to commence his training.
jeannev
Jan. 9th, 2009 03:29 am (UTC)
Thats a fascinating idea. I'd be really interested to see how something like that would play out. I'm very much intrigued by the idea of villian arcs, as opposed to bad guy regulars. Having 3-4 villian arcs for the season also allows for different ways to get the supporting cast involved. For instance, Intergang could be something Lois was after. Something like Darkseid could involve Chloe and Oliver. By mixing it up, it allows more overall options for the show.
tasabian
Jan. 9th, 2009 04:07 am (UTC)
Maybe if Tom agrees to return, he'll negotiate a story line that he wants to pursue!
svgurl
Jan. 9th, 2009 03:35 am (UTC)
I'm sorry you're feeling frustrated. *hugs*

I agree about the Doomsday thing ... I don't think they can pull two seasons out it.

I suspect that part, or all, of JH's salary is being paid for by the CW, and if thats the case, then they might as well keep him around.

He has a talent holding deal with the CW so you are probably not off on that one.

But can you effectively tell Clark's story for another season without him donning the cape and tights and taking flight?

That's my biggest issue with the potential s9. I don't think that there's that much they can DO without getting Clark to wear the tights. Maybe I'm just limited in creativity or something but I really can't see it.

Who knows? Maybe PS3 can figure something out. I wasn't enthused about s8 in s7 and it's turning out great. I guess I'll wait for official news and see how the rest of this season goes. :\
jeannev
Jan. 9th, 2009 03:42 am (UTC)
Well, you can conceivably have Clark being "Superman" without the title and the tights. But I think its a delicate thing to pull off, and honestly, I've seen no evidence that SV writers are up to it.
canadabear
Jan. 9th, 2009 04:37 am (UTC)
I'm still maintaining some hope that Tom either isn't signed, or that the CW pulls the plug anyway, although it seems awfully late to be telling a creative team that they've only got 5 episodes to wrap things up (since they've got up to what, 8x17 written?).

If S9 does plod ahead, I really have no idea what they'll do. I think it's going to majorly depend on what they do with those 5 episodes left in S8. I also believe AM will be in all 22, as per the contract she signed earlier, as I can't see her signing for less. I also fully expect to see Lois for at least 13, if not finally more.

I also agree they really can't stretch Doomsday out for two whole seasons, especially since they've already shown him halfway through this one. What I might expect is S8 to end with a fight and have it appear Clark is defeated/dead, and Doomsday reverts back to Davis, with his job done or something. Then Clark comes back in early S9, and triggers Doomsday again and the final battle goes for the S9 premier, with Clark victorious. Now, there are a few ways they could do this and still keep Davis around - either bring him back as Zod, who they've canonically stated he looks just like, or they find a way to "remove" Doomsday from him, and he has to learn to adjust to living a truly normal life.

Now, Oliver I don't really think we've got the meat of his plot for S8 yet. His story seems to have been pushed back to the second half due to Chloiac, and I'm expecting him to get more involved in the latter half. There was a spoiler that a reformed JL may reappear at the end of the season, if I recall correctly, and he also seems to be somehow tied to Lana's plot. And hey, if they have him scoop the DP out from under Tess, then he'd have a more stable presence afterward as EIC.

I'd like to see Tess stay, if only because while I think she may come out from under the Luthor thumb, I don't think she's going "good." We were also told her Injustice league would be set loose and I can't see her doing that if she on Clark's side.

Jimmy... it all depends on how things fall out with him and Chloe. If it's not good, maybe he can be sent on assignment again, or maybe they'll actually get him working more and more with Clark, and have the focus switch from being Chloe's boyfriend to being Clark's "pal" like he's supposed to be.

Lastly, I think Alaina would be a good addition to the cast for 12 eps or so. She's got DP experience, can snark with Lois and start up the romance she's supposed to have with Oliver. I'd love to see PM more, but I doubt we'll get it. As much as Clark needs a mentor and they have the perfect one, TPTB haven't shown any interest in consistently using them in that way.
jeannev
Jan. 9th, 2009 02:59 pm (UTC)
So then you'd say you are firmly anti-S9? I can understand that, though there's this big part of me who thinks it would ensure that the show ends up on an unsatisfactory note due the spoilers we have for the rest of S8.

AM will probably be around for 22 eps in S9, but I think we could do slightly less of her. To put it in a nutshell, I think we need slightly less Chloe, and slightly more Lois, but not necessarily a reversal. If that makes sense?

Those are definitely some options for keeping SW around, though I'm not sure how I'd feel about recovered Davis.

You could be right about Oliver, though it seems the story we were promised for him, i.e. crisis of faith, Clark urging him on, took place all in 1 episode, and Offscreensville. I do believe there are better ways to intergrate him into the show, and maybe they'll do better with him in the latter half of the season.

Honestly, I think the show could drop the character of Jimmy. No offense to AA, who does the best he can. But as he is written, and as they use him? I'm not sure he needs to be there.

I'd love Dinah to come on as a semi-regular. I'm just not sure the show needs more estrogen.

canadabear
Jan. 9th, 2009 04:11 pm (UTC)
Honestly, I can't say if I'm anti-S9 or not. I need to see how they deal with the rest of S8 (the part we know nothing about yet) and set up S9 first. At the moment, I think I'm with the majority of SV fans in thinking the show has run its course, and I just want to see Clark get some closure. But hey, for all I know S9 could turn out to be a great season, since it will be the last and hopefully, the incessant stalling will finally end. So we'll call me undecided, but if Tom's there? I'm watching.
jeannev
Jan. 9th, 2009 04:37 pm (UTC)
You & I seem to be very much in the same boat. Color me conflicted, but supportive of Tom.
tariel22
Jan. 9th, 2009 05:24 am (UTC)
I don't have anything to add; the speculation has me all tied up in knots, as usual, and figuring these kinds of things out has never been my strong suit anyway. I just want to say that I enjoyed reading your thoughts on this, and what everyone else has to share in the comments. Obviously Smallville has the potential to be great, but it remains to be seen if the writers are up to the challenge, and if budgetary issues will cripple the show.

Thank you so much for your posts during the hiatus! You've inspired so much wonderful discussion of the show, and reminded us all why we became fans in the first place. You've gone a long way toward making this hiatus much more bearable, and I appreciate it.

Thanks, too, for the link to that interview clip. No one will ever convince me that Tom is afraid of being interviewed, or intimidated by the process. In that clip he is smart, charming, funny, entirely gracious, and quick on his feet. Sitting through countless questions and comments as dumb as those guys made would make my head explode. I can't blame him for not wanting to spend his free time subjecting himself to questions about when Clark is going to fly, or personal questions he'd rather not answer.
jeannev
Jan. 9th, 2009 03:03 pm (UTC)
I think a lot of people seem to want to ignore the budget issue, but I don't know how you can. It definitely shows this year, and frankly, last year too. And this is a show that needs a budget for SFX and sets. Its not The Office.

And you're welcome. Though I'm not sure I should be thanked for being an obsessed fan with too many ideas floating around my head, LOL

Tom in interviews is all those things you describe. He's absolutely charming, and very quick. His decisions to stop doing interviews altogether is a bad one in my opinion. Whatever his reasons.
tariel22
Jan. 9th, 2009 06:50 pm (UTC)
His decisions to stop doing interviews altogether is a bad one in my opinion. Whatever his reasons.

I agree completely. Even a few interviews a year go a long way toward both endearing him to his fans and potentially advancing his career, not to mention boosting the show (admittedly, he may not have wanted to do that last one in recent years). Many times I've heard a director or producer tell a story about how they were inspired to cast someone in a movie because they saw them in an interview.
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jeannev
Jan. 9th, 2009 03:08 pm (UTC)
Sorry I missed your post Luke. Some days I read everything on my flist, and some days I seem to miss things. I'm sure you had some great ideas.

I understand how frustrating it must be for you as an Erica fan. I also believe she should have more episodes, and not just this season, or next. I believe her episode count should've been slightly increased each year. And its really not fair to her. Unlike John Glover, who probably enjoyed the coming and going, I think Erica would love to be there weekly.

For what its worth, I don't think its any reflection of how they feel about Erica, or her Lois. I honestly believe that part of it is budget, and part of it is there fear of doing another "Lois & Clark" show. Which, BTW, I think is bullshit. But they seem to get flack about that, and they strike me as a bit defensive on the subject. Keeping Erica to 13 eps allows them to stall the Lois and Clark stuff. I don't agree with it at all, but thats my guess about their mindset.
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jeannev
Jan. 9th, 2009 07:43 pm (UTC)
I definitely think the fans should speak up and make it known what they want. I always encourage that. If there's a petition or something, I'll sign it. I think ED deserves to have her contract upped for a S9. Definitely.

The workings of SV, and the people in charge, are always a bit of a mystery for me. They make a lot of really strange decisions. And since they aren't a very communicative bunch, and they don't have a direct conduit with fans (as some showrunners do), it makes their decisions even more enigmatic.

Your idea for a S9 is a very intriguing one. It would give a S9 a very distinctive arc, and one that could carry through for most of the season. Its a really good idea, and would definitely put Clark into a proactive position that he'd have to figure a way out of.
kelvintage
Jan. 9th, 2009 06:47 am (UTC)
So please don't hate me but I am simply going to speak my mind and state my first reaction. I don't know why but a part of me was really disappointed to hear this rumour. Now, don't get me wrong. I have LOVED Smallville, I have never followed a show for such a long period in my life. And I LOVE Tom. But I can't help thinking that the fans are missing out on the opportunity to see Tom on the big screen in something else. I LOVE Clark and Tom's portrayal but it's been eight years. Every season since the fifth they've been saying that it might be the last and I would have been fine with it ending this year. It doesn't take place in Smallvlle anymore and I dislike the jokes about the cape, etc.

I suppose I'm being really selfish here. I'm glad that Tom is happy and considering it, but I hope he didn't do it out of fear, complacement or money. Now, I know that Tom probably didn't do it for the money so if he feels a ninth season is a good idea then fine. I'm just sort of disappointed that he's not ambituous enough to say "I want to carve out my own legacy and do something else besides Smallville" Smallvlle films for eight to nine months of the year which just means that it's less likely that Tom will be in another motion picture through 2010. I'll probably be happy with this rumour in a week because I think I would really miss Smalville eventually but the CW has to treat it better as well. I'm just afraid that there is this outside possibility of me eventually hating Smallville. That sounds ridiculous but it happened with the Simpsons. I used to love that show and the characters and now I can't stand it. I don't think this will happen because I have been enjoying this season thus far, especially Odyssey, Instinct, Committed, and Bloodline.

I'm sorry for ranting...it's not that Tom's talent is being wasted on Smallville. His performances as Clark, Clark on red kryptonite, and Bizarro are brilliant! I just want more, I really do. I want him to move on and for Smallville to go out with a blast instead of dragging it on. Lois and Clark are already happening and the Daily Planet is in full swing. Clark just needs to create his costume, with the help of Martha hopefully, and that's the end. There's not more to tell without becoming Superman. A two-hour finale could wrap everything up I'm sure with the help of the remaining episodes if they didn't stall. Seeing Tom and Erica every week on my television is awesome but I would trade it in for a good romantic comedy for both at this point. There's just no gurantee that things will happen after a 9th season of Smallville. I suppose I'm frustrated that such a beautiful and talented man is going to be playing the same character for another year, no matter how GOOD Tom is, and has no ambitions to go to the big screen. I know that Tom may go into directing anyway but one or two good roles in feature films in the near future and I would be happy. I would probably enjoy a season 9 as I find episodes to like in every season. Thank you for listening!

That interview is awesome! I laugh at that part as well, the woman is hilarious in her infatuation! I think the photos may still be coming but then again probably not. Speaking of interviews, is it that awful seriously? Tom hasn't said a word in two years. Same goes for photos. Why be on a show when you don't even want to promote it at all?
jeannev
Jan. 9th, 2009 03:13 pm (UTC)
Oh, pish-tosh on the hating stuff. Why would I hate you for stately your opinion so respectfully?

Truth is, I agree with a lot of what you are saying. I am a SV fan, but I'm also a Tom Welling fan. And when I honestly ask myself if I think a S9 is good for Tom's career, I can't bring myself to say "yes". Because really, it isn't. *Unless* any deal he signs for S9 guarantees him a movie deal with WB.

As for Tom's decision to stop doing any promotion and interviews, I think its an unfortunate decision on his part. I'm sure he has his reasons, but if I was his agent, I'd be strongly advising him against continuing on in this way.
shardsofblu
Jan. 9th, 2009 07:23 am (UTC)
I'd watch no matter what as long as TW is there -- although how someone would even consider continuing Smallville without the guy is mind-boggling anyway, all those talk from the producers about S9 before they had confirmed his contract is just flat out ridiculous.

Another thing is ED, I had always been pretty zen about her not appearing in all episodes before, even in this season. But I'd be calling BS on them all if this still continues in S9.

Doomsday has to end this season. I don't follow spoilers but I've seen several posts asking "Where do you go after Doomsday, is there anything bigger than that?" Well of course there are plenty more but to be honest, I'm getting a little tired of all those alien warlords/failed clones/experiments/giant robots/psycho cults whatever as the villains. They've already got Tess and her 33.1 Legion of Doom thing, just let Clark & Co. work on that the whole season and successfully expose the entire thing. Work towards making the proto-JL a sanctioned team, work with the authorities instead just being a group of vigilantes going around blowing up stuff.

Thanks for the link by the way, really appreciate it! Still wish that he could just have given at least ONE freaking interview for SV.
jeannev
Jan. 9th, 2009 03:17 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I'm here till the end, bitter or otherwise. But I really want to enjoy the show until the end as well, ya know?

The reality with ED/Lois is that by not increasing her episode count, and then not always using her well when she's on, they've not developed Lois as much as she deserves. How can you when she keeps disappearing?

Well of course there are plenty more but to be honest, I'm getting a little tired of all those alien warlords/failed clones/experiments/giant robots/psycho cults whatever as the villains.

Me too, which is why I'm more interested in an Intergang type of story. It would be interesting to see Clark go up against an organization such as this that would take more than strength and speed to take down. And by having a gang type of thing, you allow for more leeway in characters coming in and going out.
eeyore1017
Jan. 9th, 2009 11:39 am (UTC)
I watched the interview you posted (I've seen it before) and I agree that it was a really dumb interview. At least the guy interviewing him was an idiot. I thought it was so annoying when he made that absolute statement about Tom doing "no press at all" which so wasn't the truth. He certainly did more back then than he does now!

I think that for Season 9, Davis/Doomsday should be gone. If the season 8 finale leaves Clark dead, then Doomsday should be back in the premiere so Clark can come back to life and kill him and then that should be it.

I think that Lois and Clark should be back for all the episodes. I don't care one way or another if Chloe is in all of the episodes or only 18 or 20 or whatever. I agree that it's annoying when characters are shoehorned into episodes for absolutely no reason. I think Jimmy should be there but as Clark's pal and not Chloe's husband. I would like Oliver to be there, but they need to find something for him to do. I think it would be good to have various members of the Justice League appear every now and then. As far as actual story arcs, I have no idea.
jeannev
Jan. 9th, 2009 03:19 pm (UTC)
Yeah, Tom did used to do some press. He was never a press whore, but he wasn't invisible either. But I guess I can also see why someone would think he's all but invisible. And frankly, Tom's excuse about people not wanting to come to Vancouver is very lame.

Your general thoughts on S9 pretty much match mine.
beef_wonder3
Jan. 9th, 2009 12:18 pm (UTC)
I'm not really sure about stories and arcs for Season 9, it really depends on where they take the rest of this Season.
Although I'd love to see Perry White come back *g*

As for the Tom/Season 9 thing, I think that a year ago when Almiles were still in charge there was absolutely no way Tom was gonna agree to S9. But the progression and generally the show overall springing back to life this season changed the situation a bit.
jeannev
Jan. 9th, 2009 03:21 pm (UTC)
I'd love to see Perry back, but Michael McKean really isn't an option. But I'd be totally open to a recast. An actor named Barry Bostwick is going to be guest starring on Supernatural in the coming weeks, and he'd be a great Perry recast.

If AlMiles were still in charge? I agree, I don't think Tom coming back would even be a possibility.
heather
Jan. 9th, 2009 03:18 pm (UTC)
I knew there weren't going to be any new promo pics.

This makes me far angrier than it should, but if SV can pull a million more viewers than Gossip Girl every week with virtually no promotion, can't TPTB see that it could do so much better if they'd have a care and make a damn poster or something? This is ridiculous.

As for season 9, if Tom does sign, I'll be watching, no question. I don't really know why he would sign, and it might be better for him if he doesn't, just because what if he signs and then they axe the show anyway -- but if there is new Tom to watch, I don't ask questions; I pretty much just watch. ;) It's probably time for the show to end, but who knows if/when we'd see him again without Smallville?

I don't have much to add in terms of plot, but I agree that it's going to be hard to stretch things out. The budget thing worries me, because I've always thought SV had better effects than most TV shows and it would be a shame if it couldn't go out with a bang, at least.
jeannev
Jan. 9th, 2009 03:24 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I always thought the alledged promo pics were Matt getting his wires crossed. It just never seemed to make sense.

Speaking of GG, it didn't even hit 3m in its first week back, and its demo's were way down. It got its ass kicked by ABC family and some show about a pregnant teen (which attracts the same demo).

Like you, I worry about the possibility of no more Tom after SV, so I will always appreciate the opportunity to see him weekly.

You can tell this season that the budget is hurting. How can they manage that next year without more money coming from somewhere?
huzzlewhat
Jan. 9th, 2009 04:51 pm (UTC)
If TW does indeed sign, and the CW does survive, and does re-up SV for S9, I'll be watching. I'm a bit torn about it... I watched the first half of S8 expecting it to be the last, and then, when "Bride" ended, I felt definite dismay at the thought of so few episodes left... I wasn't ready for it to be over!

So there's that. I'm not ready for it to be over, and if everything pans out according to the present rumors, it won't be over, and that makes me happy.

Am I a little worried about what will happen in S9? Of course. I was worried about S8 with the cast changes, and Doomsday? Really? But I've been enjoying the heck out of this season.

And another season gives me another chance to indulge in my ultimate, never-gonna-happen-but-wouldn't-it-be-cool-if-it-did pipedream — a "Birthright"-inspired season, sort of "Superman meets The Fugitive," setting Clark on the road, interacting with and helping a different bunch of people every week, and coming to his Superman persona at the end of it. That would be perfection, to my mind!
jeannev
Jan. 9th, 2009 05:29 pm (UTC)
Actually, a "Superman" on the road might be a real budget saver, as you wouldn't really need any permenant cast but Tom. You may be onto something ;)

I can understand the feeling of not wanting it to be over. I know I have near panic attacks, thinking that Tom might disappear from view. I think for me, I'd describe my feelings a bit different, because by the time Bride hit, I didn't feel as though the show had taken the turn into the home stretch that it NEEDED to take in order for the season to come to a satisfying conclusion.
goodvibe
Jan. 9th, 2009 05:15 pm (UTC)
Is it just me, or does it feel like just yesterday we were all discussing contracts for S8? Heh. Honestly, I'm still getting over the shock that there's even going to (possibily) be a season 9.

Like some others have said, and I know you agree, I too, am very conflicted about a S9. I'm not sure if the same quality that the first half of this season can be carried over until the second half, let alone a whole new season. Budget cuts are also a huge concern, as are ratings. Yes, they've been fine and steady this season, but can it possibly carry on another season? My ultimate fear is a worst case scenario S9 where ratings are so dismal, the show gets cancelled halfway, depriving fans of a proper ending.

OTOH, if I flip all these arguments over, there's another story. If a show in its 8th season could rejuvinate itself as superbly as SV has managed, then maybe there is hope for a S9. As for ratings, an argument could be made that we're now left with the really core SV audience anyways, who will in all likelihood continue watching right till the end no mstter what. I'm still stumped on the budget issue though.

As a TW fan I'm even more conflicted. I desperately want to see him in other ventures, but I can't help but like that I'll get to see him on my TV screens for another year atleast. 'Tis all very befuddling, heh.

As far as contracts are concerned, there's really no debate on TW being in all 22. No Clark=no show. I think it's criminal that ED' ep count still hasn't been upped. I hope she's signed on for atleast 18, though I'm fully preparing myself for it to only be 13 again. I'm also assuming AM will be in it for all 22.

I say keep Jimmy, as I think eps like 'Identity' and a few other flashes here and there show he has such potential when weaned away from the role of a LI. I'd keep JH too, but find a way to work in guest star jobs from other JL members too. I'd work in PM for a couple more eps atleast too, but probably get rid of Tess. As much as I think CF has done a good job, and I do recognize Tess as an interesting character, I think she'd do fine with a big finish, and then just cutting off the surrogate Lex connection altogether. Which brings me to my biggest wish, which would to get MR back somehow, even for just one ep. Perhaps the penultimate ep. I would also finish off the Doomsday arc this season, have the big, climactic showdown, and perhaps secure SW for a couple more eps next season for a resolution to that battle. Next season should be all about a fresh new villain(s). With my dream scenario of capping it all off with Lex' presence somehow. I agree that Intergang seems a perfect choice. Bring in a crimelord figure. Lex could even be the mysterious presence behind some of their sudden new funding, etc. There could, ofcourse be a smattering of DC villains in a few eps here and there, to keep the Ollie/JL angle relevant as well.
jeannev
Jan. 9th, 2009 05:33 pm (UTC)
LOL, believe me, when I was typing this out, I was definitely asking myself "didn't I ask these questions about 1 year ago?"

I'm definitely, 100% sure that if SV goes to a S9, it will get its full season. If the CW hasn't cancelled most of its line-up, then SV is safe.

I like Tess, but I also feel she might be disposable. And I'm not really sure you'd need to keep the Luthor connection for another year. With any luck, and the Gods smiling down on you, maybe you could get MR to come back for the very last eps, which reestablishes your Luthor connection perfectly. Just as you suggest. And I've always dreamed of him being the shadowy figure behind Intergang. But like I said, I do like Tess.
jude_judith82
Jan. 9th, 2009 11:41 pm (UTC)
I have mixed emotions about the Tom new I guess we'll have to wait and see but I do think all your suggestions are sound. Justin Hartley seems like a nice guy but I've wondered what's been the point of him this season he seems like dead weight frankly. I do worry thought if there's a ninth season how much more can you do with the pre-Superman story when it's obvious the dude is more than ready. Who knows?
jeannev
Jan. 9th, 2009 11:51 pm (UTC)
Yeah, its definitely a cause for concern. I know I could probably write a decent and entertaining S9, but it seems unlikely that PS3 will be hiring me anytime soon, LOL ;)
jude_judith82
Jan. 9th, 2009 11:56 pm (UTC)
You need to get on that! Think of it bonus face time with Welling lol.
jeannev
Jan. 10th, 2009 02:12 am (UTC)
I'm typing up my resume right now!!!
dawnybee
Jan. 10th, 2009 02:14 am (UTC)
And where are the Bulletproof stills? Shouldn't we have those by now?

Whoever is handling publicity is really falling behind. Lack of new press material aside, the stills are even late being posted to the CW site. KSite has them up before they’re on the CW site.

And how come PS3 aren't out there, beating the drum for the return of the show? With very little network promotion, you'd think they'd be out there, talking to the 'net sites, trying to work up some excitement.

I think more than anything they are the ones right now who needs to be out there. They should be asking Newsrama, Comics2Film, SFUniverse and every other site for interviews because this is now their baby. If they want it to survive they should let the fans know that they are actively doing something and that they have ideas for a S9 and a S9 is warranted.

I'm sure he'll get more money, possibly a producers credit

I’m surprised that he hasn’t asked for a producers credit by now. David Boreanaz and Emily Deschanel have a credit on “Bones”, Sarah Jessica Parker had one for “Sex in the City”’; it’s almost commonplace to have a producer credit as the star of the show.

For me, I'd bring the Doomsday arc to a head at the end of this season, and perhaps secure SW for the first few eps of S9, but not beyond that. As solid an actor as I believe SW is, Doomsday/Davis just feels like a 1 season big bad to me.

I don’t see how they could extend the threat to next season. It’s sad because I was on the fence about SW before the storyline began and now I really enjoy him but they pulled the trigger too soon. They should have built up to him finding out what he is. They shouldn’t have even announced that he was Doomsday. That should’ve been a twist.

I think they can do a better job of integrating him with the cast, but I guess I'm wondering if its worth the budget money. Should that be an issue. I suspect that part, or all, of JH's salary is being paid for by the CW, and if thats the case, then they might as well keep him around.

They have Justin for free. He has a holding deal (three year, IIRC). But the CW could just as easily stick him into another show or just pay him of the contract, but I like Oliver, so I rather he stay. Again, another storyline that ran on the wrong mileage. They rushed through his non-existent quandary over his place in the world.

But can you effectively tell Clark's story for another season without him donning the cape and tights and taking flight?

To me, yes, because I don’t think those attributes makes Clark Superman. If SV is the story of Clark’s journey to Superman, I will be fine with him getting the Superman realization down without seeing him in tights. And if we’re seeing Clark up to his training, then I think it makes perfect sense that we won’t see him in tights.

As for the flying, I would like to see Clark—not Kal-El-take flight once just because to me that will show that he has conquered his fears about who he is. There’s no more walls to break down. I view it as being a symbolic event. But I know there are fans who really equate Superman to the tights and flight and will feel cheated if they don’t get that. Just as there were fans who hated the fact that Lex still showed sympathy towards Clark in their final confrontation when they wanted him to go full evil.

As for storylines and plot and character development, I can only say that I’m glad I’m not on the writing team because I have no clue what I want. I think the only thing I can see myself wanting to see is the Martian Manhunter back for more episodes as a figure Clark can rely on. I think Clark needs a Scooby Gang and I would like for John Jones, Oliver and Chloe to fill that role. Maybe S9 taking Clark out of Smallville and Metropolis maybe to Coast City or Star City so that he could really broaden his scope. I think if the writers take Clark too far outside of that universe and have Clark travel the world a’la Bruce Wayne in “Batman Begins” or Clark in the comics, where he really learns what’s out there in the world and how he wants to help out, it would take some viewers out of the SV experience and it would seem too different of a show.
jeannev
Jan. 10th, 2009 03:51 am (UTC)
I'm figuring that the CW has such a small publicity budget, and its pretty much all devoted to GG and 90210, that anything else is being handled by monkies, or someones 13 year old nephew.

I think more than anything they are the ones right now who needs to be out there. They should be asking Newsrama, Comics2Film, SFUniverse and every other site for interviews because this is now their baby. If they want it to survive they should let the fans know that they are actively doing something and that they have ideas for a S9 and a S9 is warranted.

Absolutely. This is the biggest way for them to drive up interest. And using the "geek" sites is totally the way to go. They have to know a lot of their fandom is on-line. Johns has been doing his parts, but PS3 really need to kick it up a notch.

Totally agree with you on the Doomsday thing. They should've let it simmer. Instead, in the usual SV style, it was full speed ahead, and that really limits where you can go with a story.

I believe they can use Oliver better then they have. But I guess the question is, will they?

When it comes to flying, I think I would just really like a scene where Clark talks about it. We have absolutely no idea how he feels on the subject, and I don't get that. If he expresses frustration that he can't seem to get airborne, it at least tells us that he's tried. And then when he actually takes to the sky (if?), then we can share more fully in that triumph.

I think having a few out-of-town Clark stories is a great idea. And it would be something fresh and different.
silverscreengal
Jan. 11th, 2009 04:07 am (UTC)
Your post was a much needed shot in the arm for Tom fans. The responses were so well thought out and so detailed, I haven't even finished reading them all. Always a pleasure to read your input.

I am probably embarrassing out of the loop, but where is DTTW??? Is it coming back???



jeannev
Jan. 11th, 2009 06:15 am (UTC)
The temp home for DTTW is http://devotedfansnetwork.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=14

And thanks for the kind words. :)
starry_dawn
Jan. 11th, 2009 08:21 am (UTC)
I'm not sure how I feel about S9 either, but since this season has been so good so far, I'm feeling positive about it. I don't know if I'll end up changing my mind once the Lana-arc of this season is done, though. :/

I have no idea what to expect story-wise, for S9. I feel they've stretched it out already, what with getting Clark into the DP and starting on the Clark/Lois romance. I don't see how they can just keep going on and on without giving him the cape and allowing him to fly. It really is about time.
jeannev
Jan. 11th, 2009 05:49 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I know what you mean. I've felt good about the season so far, but I don't feel good about the spoilers for the upcoming eps at all. I think if I felt more positively about the upcoming eps, I'd be all "YAY S9!!"

I think one thing that would be essential for a S9 is to give Clark credible challenges that showcase his heroism, intelligence and determination, but might also serve to complicate his journey enough to hold off the tights. If that makes any sense at all. LOL
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