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SV S2 Thoughts - Visitor thru Exodus


As promised (and I'm sure awaited with baited breath *she says sarcstically*), my not so deep thoughts on the last eps of S2.

One thing I did end up taking away from S2 when I was done with the rewatch was that Lex's character progression was really well handled.  His curiousity, just starting to creep up on obsession.  His methods, while not at all evil, just a little double-sided.  Some of the disturbing sneakier things he did, but without any clear malicious intent.  It seemed like they really had a good handle on the character, and I thought they did a good job showing why he did what he did, what his reasons were, and how some portion of it was certainly questionable.

Personally, one of my issues with S3 was the over-woobification of Lex in that season.  But in this season?  I thought the character was stronger. 

I also think there was a clear 2-sided approach to the show.  Clark and the Kents, and Lex and his father.  Certainly Lana played a big role in the season, but I really did feel like the show approached most of the storylines from the POV's of the Kents/Luthors,  The whole plot with the caves was very much a Clark/Luthors thing.  They even had Clana doing some parallels with Lex/Helen.

So, anyway, onto the eps...

Visitor

Why is this episode so underrated?  Its actually quite good, and says a lot about our SV regulars.  And Cyrus is a truly tragic figure, who has a very sad ending.  I can only hope he got better in Offscreensville.  Poor little guy. 

But this episode really does hit a lot of very good notes. 
- Clark sticking up for Cyrus with the bullies, but obviously unable to engage them (though I notice Pete does diddly-squat). 
-Clark's excitement at the possiblity that he's not the only one.  I think Clark's story was more poignant when he was the only one of his kind.
-Chloe's excitement at meeting an alien
-Lana's apprehension about meeting an alien.  Which doesn't at all make her a bad person, as Clark assures her.  But still, how much of an "ouchy!" was that for Clark to hear?
-Lex's perked up curiousity that has him showing up in Cyrus' lab.  A little creepy there Lex ;)
-The curing of Tyson, the horse.  Sorry, thats just the animal lover in me talking.
-Cyrus' selflessness in saving the bully.

I don't know, it just seemed to me like this episode has a lot of say, and I think it got lost a bit in the sea of SV eps.  Its really quite good.  And the kid that plays Cyrus is great.

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Precipice

This is really an interesting episode, but it doesn't exactly feel like Smallville to me.  The episode even looks different.  Anson Mount is excellent as creepy, stalker dude.  And MR gets quite a showcase here to do some serious acting.

One of the things I noticed from this episode is that its one of the very few eps where Lex and Helen actually show some physical affection.  And thats one of the big problems with the Lex/Helen stuff.  Why was it so cold and sexless?  MR and EV do have chemistry.  At least I think so.  Why wasn't there kissing and stuff?  And people talk about S4's Jason going through a major character retcon to bad guy.  Well, thats nothing compared to what they did to Helen.  I'm sorry, but where she ended up and the revelations about her make NO FREAKING SENSE with what we see her doing on screen in S2.  They just totally rewrote her. 

How can you not love Helen thinking Lex is talking about Clark in that last scene? 

I'm not a big fan of the Lana immediately kicking ass stuff.  I'm all for her learning to defend herself, and the scene where Clark thanks her is genuinelly touching.  But its very silly to think that Lana would've learned enough in a few days to kick some big guys ass.  Not to mention that I'm not sure what it actually accomplished.  Wouldn't he just be suing her then? 


Witness

This episode is a loser to me.  Though, it does have some elements that push the overall storyline along.  Mostly the Clark/Chloe stuff, and some interesting Luthor dynamics.

On the Clark/Chloe stuff, I can actually understand Chloe being angry that Clark missed a deadline, though its obvious her reaction isn't about that at all.  And one thing that we see in this episode, though its rarely brought up, is that Clark does hit the problem right on the head when he tells Chloe that she's always acting like he's cheating on her when he's with Lana.  Clark does recognize the issue, and he tries to put it on the table.  Its Chloe who tells him he's wrong, and says they shouldn't hang out anymore.  Clark also says to Chloe that he thought they had established the parameters of their friendship.  Again, we have Clark getting right to the heart of the matter.

I point this out because I don't think Clark is given enough credit for how upfront he is with Chloe, at least when it comes to this issue.  He isn't trying to hurt her, he isn't leading her on, he isn't hiding his feelings for Lana.  And yet still he ends up being the bad guy, somehow.  I don't get it.

One of the surprises in this episode is how Clark reacts to finding out that Lex was the one that got the bad kid out of jail.  Especially with what happened to his parents.  You'd expect Clark to freak out.  Instead, he's very understanding.  I'm not sure I was though, LOL.  Lex got this dangerous kid out of jail just to use him against his father?  Like I said, shady stuff.  

Accelerate

I get such a kick out of the little girl that plays Emily.  I have a odd liking for these evil little kid actors.  And for all her sweetness, and cuteness, Emily is a bad seed!  But she cracks me up.

Really good performance by KK here, and we find out there was even more tragedy in Lana's past.  And as we saw in Visage, when Lana is confronted with something particularly devastating, its Clark that she finds a safe haven in.  So, in that way, I did think this episode was the right one to use to truly open the door on Clana romance.  Thought the last loft scene, where they are just standing there, staring at each other, holding hands is a bit...well, awful, actually.  And I have to admit, its a bit unsettling that Clark seems unwilling,or unable, to see Lana as a normal, flawed human being.

And how amazing was John Glover in that last scene?  Where he brings Emily the bunny, then has the imaginery tea party with her?  Gave me goosebumps!


Calling

One of the things I really like about S2 is that the finale is 2 parts.  They sort of tried to do the same thing in S5 & S6, but not with as much success.  And I think Calling might actually be the stronger episode in a lot of ways.

And really, I don't care about the retcons that came later.  I don't care about the excuses.  I don't care how many times Clark says its his fault.  There is NO WAY Clark didn't appropriately react with horror at Jor-El speaking to him through the spaceship, and telling him he has to leave SV and everyone he loves, and "come to him".  And there's no way the whole branding thing isn't sick, and disturbing, and cruel, and more then anything, UNNECESSARY!  God, AI Jor-El is such a tool!

I think a very interesting loophole in the Clark/Chloe scene is that its really Chloe that says the stuff about them being honest with each other, etc.  Clark actually never commits to it.  Because, really, we know he can't.  Not because of Lana, but because of other stuff.  So, he gives her the enigmatic smile.  Chloe takes it as confirmation, but it really isn't.

As I've said before, I can very much feel sorry for Chloe for her hurt and heartbreak.  But not her reaction, and not her indignation.  She's especially not entitled to the latter.

I love the whole engagement party scene.

Lex stealing the vile from Helen.  Forgetting for a second the bigtime retconning that was to come for Helen, thats a pretty heinous thing to do.  But at the same time, we don't neccesarily see it as evil.  But it paints Lex a very interesting shade of gray, and thats why I think the writing for him was so spot-on in the latter parts of S2.

Dr Walden.  Heee!

I love how Lana just comes to visit Clark in the loft a few hours after a guy charbroils himself at the farm, and she doesn't even mention it.  SV is a wacky town!


Exodus

This has never been one of my favorite SV season finales, but I think I've really come to appreciate it.  I think there's a lot of emotion in this episode.  And as many times as I've seen it, I always end up understanding where Clark was coming from, what he was thinking, and really believing that his solution was really not that outrageous.  Yes, he had no idea what blowing up the ship would do, but he waited until his parents were away from the farm, he had no one with him, and he truly believed that ship was a threat.  And considering it attacked him one episode earlier, who can blame him?  So, its all so tragic that his parents happened to come back to the farm, get caught up in the explosion, and Martha ended up losing the baby.  It breaks my heart for all of them.

I thought Pete was a good friend in this episode, and I loved his diversion with Lionel.  Pete didn't get many big moments, so have to give him props when he pulls one off so well.

I know many people will always have a major issue with Clark putting on the Red K ring, and I think thats fair.  Its a terribly wrong thing to do.  But man, I really did feel Clark's devastation and guilt.  

And I felt terrible for Lana too.  Here she is, finally taking a chance on this relationship with Clark, and this hugely weird explosion happens on the farm, the Kents are injured, and Clark is talking crazy, then runs away.

I never considered this until I rewatched, but wouldn't Chloe have known about Clark's parents being injured when she went ahead and made her deal with Lionel?  And under those circumstances, that makes her decision that much more disturbing to me.  Though I totally agree with those that say Chloe learned from this mistake, and grew from it, and it shouldn't be held against her.  But it sure was a scary, vengeful thing to do.  I'm glad Chloe grew up.

And poor Lex with the now retconned Helen.  That boy should stay away from marriages altogether.  They never go well for him.

Love the ending with Clark riding off on the motorcycle.

So, summing S2 up:  Good beginning, sort of a lull in the middle of the season, pretty strong finish. 
 

Comments

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tariel22
Dec. 19th, 2008 05:40 am (UTC)
When I originally watched these episodes, I was pretty much rooting for the Clana, but torn about it, too. I wanted Clark to win the girl and be happy, but Lana was already bugging me with the way she treated Clark sometimes. I thought Chloe was beyond unreasonable with her jealousy, and having gone through the same thing with a boy who liked me in high school, I loved what Clark said to her about her attitude.

I liked Accelerate for a lot of reasons. The young actress was great, and I loved the differences in how each of the characters interacted with Emily. The scene where Clark talked to her was wonderful. And Lionel was awesome! But I never understood why Clark and Lana didn't kiss at the end. That moment was just screaming for it.

The end of S2 was just heartbreaking for me. Everyone was so close to what they at least thought was their happy ending, and then it was all just ripped asunder. I was angry at Jor-El on Clark's behalf, proud of Clark for how he tried to fix everything, and so sad for him when it all went wrong. I could totally understand his reckless decision to lose himself in the effects of the Red!K.

Dr. Walden was awesome, not only for his performance, but for what talking about him added to the commentary in Rosetta. :) And I can never watch that scene with Clark and Lana under the tree without turning away. That was the unsexiest kiss I've ever seen, especially after the amazing one we saw in Red. It was the epitome of sucking face. Yuck.

Sorry to be so scattered. I'm distracted by my pre-Christmas panic at the moment.
acampbell
Dec. 19th, 2008 05:03 pm (UTC)
That was the unsexiest kiss I've ever seen, especially after the amazing one we saw in Red.

Lana and Red!Clark was a much sexier pairing, IMO.

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It was the epitome of sucking face. Yuck.

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I call it the "tonsil-grabber"!
tariel22
Dec. 19th, 2008 08:53 pm (UTC)
Alison!! LOL! Ewww! *covers eyes*
jeannev
Dec. 19th, 2008 09:05 pm (UTC)
Yeah, that Exodus kiss was just nasty (thanks for the visuals Allison). I blame the director for using an odd angle, and for creating an awkward postion for his actors. Shame on you Mr Beeman!

I wanted Clark to win the girl and be happy, but Lana was already bugging me with the way she treated Clark sometimes.

I agree. Lana's behavior was a bit up and down. However, I think she's pretty consistent as the season draws a close. At least in this group of eps. I get the impression that her mind was made up about Clark post-[i]Fever[/i], and thats when she became truly aware that she was in love with Clark. I do find some of her behavoir towards Chloe as questionable, especially since she was living with her at the time. It really feels to me like Lana was the one that should've discussed things with Chloe and come clean.

Its been a while since I rewatched S2, so I forgot how irritating Chloe's jealousy over Clark was.

The DVD commentary for S2 is the best (Spell is a close second). It was just never that funny or good again.

Don't worry, I understand holiday panic, LOL
svgurl
Dec. 19th, 2008 10:03 am (UTC)
As always, I enjoyed reading your thoughts. You do make me want to watch s2 again and it's conveniently sitting on my desk, less than a foot away from me. LOL :D

I thought Lex and Helen had chemistry too and I remember thinking her 180 felt quite sudden.

As for Chloe, well, other than a few moments here and there, I don't think I really liked her until s4.

I point this out because I don't think Clark is given enough credit for how upfront he is with Chloe, at least when it comes to this issue. He isn't trying to hurt her, he isn't leading her on, he isn't hiding his feelings for Lana. And yet still he ends up being the bad guy, somehow. I don't get it.

You and me both. I'm glad that you keep saying this because it's so true. Clark never led Chloe on ... he can't help the way he feels, or doesn't feel. :\

I really liked the kid who played Emily too!

And how amazing was John Glover in that last scene? Where he brings Emily the bunny, then has the imaginery tea party with her? Gave me goosebumps!

OMG! Me too! Glover was amazing.

The finale breaks my heart. Especially the hospital scene. Ouch. Poor Clark.

I have to admit I have a bit of obsession with his hair in your icon. I do miss the curls at times. :D
jeannev
Dec. 19th, 2008 09:09 pm (UTC)
Hmmm, seems like S2 is calling out to you ;)

I think one of the things I liked about MR and EV together was that they seemed at an equal maturity level. One of the things that always nagged at me about Lexana was that she always seemed to young for him, which made his attraction to her a bit creepy. Though I guess you could say the same thing for Clex. ;)

I really think Clark did the best he could in the situation with Chloe. Short of cutting off the friendship with her altogether, what could he do? He wore his feelings on his sleeve, and Chloe was aware of them.

Exile/Phoenix hair was spectacular. Just knowing that TW's hair can look like that makes me tingly.
jlvsclrk
Dec. 19th, 2008 03:55 pm (UTC)
ITA about the characterization of Lex in S2 - his anger management issues, the unethical things he does (esp Insurgence), the room, ... He was a charming bugger, but I for one never wondered why Clark refused to tell him the truth.

I thought there was a certain enigma to Helen, a quiet reserve, that always made me doubt her love for Lex. Earlier, Lex had got photos of her dealing with Lionel, and though Helen denied it and we as viewers took her word for it when Lex did, well, maybe that was the beginning of her deals with the devil. Even the first time I watched S2, I thought she stayed in Smallville more because of the mystery of Clark's blood than to stay at Luthor Mansion. Her reaction to Lex's obsession room was not that of a normal girlfriend.

But yeah, her betrayal of him must rank very highly in the list of events that moved Lex on his path to darkness.

Moving on to Calling / Exodus, yes, I agree that Clark's decision to blow up the ship was a good one and his plan was well thought out. But first Lana and then Chloe have to drop in and throw his plan off schedule. I love/hated how wrapped up Chloe was in her perceived angst while Clark was desparately trying to deal with something of earth shattering importance. It was an interesting contrast.

The first time through of Smallville, I always liked Jonathan - right up to that moment in Exodus where he says "you didn't think it through" and turns his back. How cruel. And although Clark set off the explosion, it was Jonathan's decision to leave the safety of the wedding because he didn't trust Clark to deal with matters on his own. So anyways, now my sister and I rewatch Smallville and make rude comments about Jonathan when he says things like "I trust you son". Liar!
jeannev
Dec. 19th, 2008 09:13 pm (UTC)
Lex's S2 characterization was really spot-on. I think maybe they panicked in S3, thinking that his slide was too fast, so thats why they went into woobie overload. The balance was much better in S2.

I know what you're saying about Helen. She did have a coolness about her. But she truly did seem to be a dedicated doctor, and her interaction with the Kents never hit a false note. And you'd think if she was so evil, she'd have used her knowledge about Clark to better advantage.

I have no doubt her betrayal effected Lex deeply.

Watching Jonathan reject Clark in Exodus was very hard to watch. And it made me angry. But I do think it was a very honest, human thing to do.
acampbell
Dec. 19th, 2008 04:37 pm (UTC)
Personally, one of my issues with S3 was the over-woobification of Lex in that season.

When we got to "Asylum" and "Memoria," I thought: geez, guys, give it a rest. To me, it seemed that the more over-the-top they went with the abuse (fraternal infanticide, extreme electroshock "therapy) the less subtle and effective the Luthor family relationships were.

and says a lot about our SV regulars.

Plus, to paraphrase what thamiris said, we have Clark and Lex good-naturedly squabbling about who's going to board the horse. "I'll board him," "No, I will!" As Tham said, if you'd just board each other, everything would be fine.

This episode is a loser to me.

It's one of my all-time least favorites. The part where the baddies throw Clark in the blast furnace still horrifies me to this day.

I always liked Jonathan - right up to that moment in Exodus where he says "you didn't think it through" and turns his back. How cruel. And although Clark set off the explosion, it was Jonathan's decision to leave the safety of the wedding because he didn't trust Clark to deal with matters on his own.

I love that scene in the hospital, because even though it's cruel of Jonathan, it's so in character for him. I'm not a big fan of the character, but one thing I'll say: he was always "in character," --at least until S5 when he started letting Lionel Luthor fund his senatorial campaign. He seemed to be the one in the family who was most excited about the new baby, and he was probably hurting for the entire family in that scene. As a parent, I know I've occasionally been in a situation where I've known that this or that wasn't genuinely a particular kid's fault, but my gut just leads me to blame them nonetheless. I view Jonathan's lashing out in that scene as fallout from years of stress over parenting an alien kid--the Kents went through a lot in S2 because of Clark's Kryptonian heritage, and, while I don't think it's "right" of him to take it out on Clark, I can genuinely understand it.

I love reading these writeups! I was very invested in the show at the end of S2, and considered Clark my kindred spirit. I find S2 inferior to S1 (for many of the reasons you suggest) but it was still immeasurably better than what we're getting now!

I've been rewatching S1 and should get off my lazy butt and start doing some writeups, too.

Happy Holidays!

Edited at 2008-12-19 04:38 pm (UTC)
jeannev
Dec. 19th, 2008 09:17 pm (UTC)
I just think they went way overboard with the Lex abuse in S3. I think maybe they did it to pull him back a bit from the dark side, and garner sympathey for him. And that worked, but I'm not sure it served the overall story as well as it could've, and I'm not sure it served the characters around Lex. And really, I'm not sure it served Lex either.

I agree with you that Jonathan was very in character in the hospital scene. He made me angry, but at the same time, I got where he was coming from. You could feel his pain. Thats why it was so effective. You could understand Clark, you could understand Jonathan, you could even understand Lana. Chloe? Hmmm, a bit less, but I think you got where she was coming from, if not the severity of her reaction.

I'm glad you enjoyed this walk down memory lane. S1 screentimes lie ahead of me, and hopefully I'll be able to spend some time discussing them as well.

Happy Holidays to you too!!
acampbell
Dec. 20th, 2008 03:35 am (UTC)
And, BTW, have a wonderful birthday!
canneverbe
Dec. 19th, 2008 08:51 pm (UTC)
'Visitor' does seem placed in the forgetable eisodes. I, however, am not ashamed to say this episode is in my Top 20 Best Smallville Episode List (or it would be I ever make it lol). Not only did it convey what you have pointed out, but it served an excellent job of characterization for everyone.

Precipice- I did think the douche should sue her too. But I guess maybe he was tired of dealing with them all. Maybe.
I enjoyed Helen, Lex falling for an intelligent doctor, she was so his type! Ugh, what they did to Helen gives me migraines. I just like to think Lionel paid someone to put a bullet in her head. Is it okay for me to do that?

Accelerate- Creepy kids are kool-aid and my weakness! Lil Emily has such an eerie prescence, its a must watch for me. "I'll do whatever I want!"
I skip the last clana scene, though, its as slow as molasses and my ADHD can't handle it.

Calling- I haven't sen this one in ages but...I love badass Lex stealing vile from his soon-to-be-wife. It's so messed-up!
Jor-El was completely sinister. Not an ounce of blame goes to Clark that's for sure.

Exodus- is my second to last favorite finale. But ITA with what you have stated regaurding it. If I was Clark I would have left too. :(
jeannev
Dec. 19th, 2008 09:22 pm (UTC)
I love hearing that they are others besides me who love visitor. Its really a forgotten gem.

I think the set-up in Precipice would've worked better if Lana had set up a camera or something, and caught him on tape taking off the neck brace, and approaching her in a menacing way. Then she could kick his ass, but it would be indisputable self-defense, while at the same time providing proof that he had no suit against Clark. It was just sloppy, and seemed there just to show off Lana-fu.

Sure, its OK to think Lionel had Helen finished off. Why not? Its apparently one of those dangling threads they never saw fit to tie off.

I love when Emily says "this time it will be", the zips around Lana and pushes her off the bridge. She's so evil!!
canneverbe
Dec. 20th, 2008 12:12 am (UTC)
*nods*
Exactly. Would it have been so difficult for someone in the writing room to think that? Another example of Smallville writing at it's best. -<

Sadly I can't remember the last scene we saw her in. I should go re-watch what really happened to her now that you recalled it to my attention. :)

LMAO. That's a classy line! Wicked 10 year old!

You speak of "over-woobification of Lex" and as much as I treasure Lex, I do feel like that's true. They played it to the downright extreme. Sometimes I frowned upon Clark's treatment to Lex. I know that is the tragedy of Lex. Yet considering Clark is the HERO, I sympathized with Lex more than I should. I know I'm in the minority, but I don't like disapproving Clark when it comes to the choices he made with Lex Luthor.
starry_dawn
Dec. 20th, 2008 06:38 am (UTC)
What a fun project, going through all the episodes one by one! :D

I agree with a lot of what you said, but I had to particularly agree with this bit:

On the Clark/Chloe stuff, I can actually understand Chloe being angry that Clark missed a deadline, though its obvious her reaction isn't about that at all. And one thing that we see in this episode, though its rarely brought up, is that Clark does hit the problem right on the head when he tells Chloe that she's always acting like he's cheating on her when he's with Lana. Clark does recognize the issue, and he tries to put it on the table. Its Chloe who tells him he's wrong, and says they shouldn't hang out anymore. Clark also says to Chloe that he thought they had established the parameters of their friendship. Again, we have Clark getting right to the heart of the matter.

ITA, 100%. When I saw this episode, the first thing that came to my mind was how badly Chloe was handling trying to be Clark's friend while being completely in love with him. It never once occurred to me that Clark might come off as the bady guy, because as I saw it, he was doing everything he could to fix his friendship with Chloe, which was obviously not easy, because Chloe kept making rash decisions whenever it became apparent that she was harbouring romantic feelings for him.

I think that scene where Clark comes to the Torch and finds it completely ransacked with Chloe standing in the middle, devastated, is very well-done. There's Clark, ready to forgive and forget, ready to move on from the fight, ready to help out in whatever way needed and Chloe's just shut him off completely and refuses to talk to him. I can't help but feel sorry for Clark in such a situation - what else was he supposed to do?
jeannev
Dec. 20th, 2008 06:10 pm (UTC)
Well, thats the thing I keep coming back to...what the heck was Clark supposed to do in regards to Chloe? And honestly, I don't believe him going straight to Chloe and telling her that he was with Lana would've gone over too well either. Despite what Chloe says. Because look at how she reacts to just the knowledge that Clark wants to be with Lana.

Until Chloe found a way to deal with it, I think Clark's in a no-win situation with her. But I believe he truly tried to keep the friendship going.
talitha78
Dec. 20th, 2008 01:56 pm (UTC)
I wanted to stop by and wish you Happy Birthday!!
jeannev
Dec. 20th, 2008 06:07 pm (UTC)
Thanks so much! :)
duskwillow
Dec. 20th, 2008 07:44 pm (UTC)
Happy Birthday Valerie! :)
jeannev
Dec. 21st, 2008 05:34 am (UTC)
Thank you! :)
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jeannev
Dec. 21st, 2008 08:05 pm (UTC)
Having now rewatched S2 top-to-bottom, and watching the Chlark dynamics, I think I've come to the conclusion that there was never going to be some right way, or right time, for Clark and Lana to tell Chloe they were dating. I don't think she was going to be rational about it, no matter what she says. Because the truth is that she did know how they felt about each other, and she did know they wanted to date each other, and she did know that Clark wasn't in love with her. So, taking that all into consideration, how is her blow-up warranted at all? Just because they didn't come to her and tell her. Maybe thats a reason to be slightly cheesed off, but her reaction? Not rational on any level.

Actually, her entire behavior is so passive-agressive. Why not just tell Lana she knows? Why go to Clark's spoiling for a fight?

Its not one of Chloe's more sterling moments. Though its very human.
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eeyore1017
Dec. 22nd, 2008 05:42 pm (UTC)
I think a lot of people write off Visitor as another "freak of the week" episode. When I do watch it though, I enjoy it.

I know that several people have mocked the under the tree kissing scene from Exodus. It's not the actual kissing part of that scene that I like so much though- it's the way that Tom and Kristin seem so comfortable with each other and how he gives her that cute kiss on the forehead. Tom/Clark looks so relaxed and happy there to me!





The little girl in Accelerate totally creeps me out- which I guess means that she's doing her job and Lionel does a good job of creeping me out in that episode as well.

And poor Lex with the now retconned Helen.
I can't decide who I think was retconned worst- Helen or Jason Teague. It might be Helen because it just doesn't make any sense!
jeannev
Dec. 22nd, 2008 06:25 pm (UTC)
I think you're right about Visitor, and how people treat it, but they're so wrong. The episode is so much more then that.

And yeah, if they had just cut out the tonsil sucking under the tree, its a cute scene.

My vote goes to Helen. Its easier for me to wank the Jason stuff.
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