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To review, or not to review....that is the question...

Well, as always, we start with the screentime minutes



Episodes like this, with fast cutaways, and scenes of chaos, and montages are always such a pain to time

OK, my whining is now out of the way. :)

Running Time 41m, 18s (shortest episode so far this season)

Clark  19m, 38s
Chloe  13m, 7s
Lois   16m, 4s
Jimmy  9m, 52s
Davis/Doomsday  4m, 38s*
Oliver  10m, 4s

Lana  10m, 2s

*2m, 2s as Just Davis, 2m, 36s as Doomsday


Season to Date (# of eps)

Clark   202m, 38s (10)
Chloe  138m, 19s (10)
Lois    104m, 46s (8)
Jimmy  67m, 29s (7)
Tess     54m, 36s (7)
Davis/Doomsday  49m, 6s (6)
Oliver    64m, 1s (6)

Now, like I was saying, do I review?

Maybe I'll just say some stuff, and try to keep it light

Type your cut contents here



I'm going to be up-front right here.  I had some issues with the way Lana's return was handled.  And I didn't much care for the Clana scenes at all.  I also wasn't entirely happy with how Clark acted this week.  Not in every scene, but pretty much once Lana walked back though the door.  And I sort of watch the show to be happy with Clark, to like Clark, etc.  This week, following last week, its sort of a 1-2 punch of grumbling for me about my favorite guy.

I did really love Clark in his scenes with Oliver, though I'm beginning to think Oliver is a few arrows short of a quiver.  First of all, I'm not entirely convinced that Lana isn't the only other person Lois might have to contend with for Clark's heart.   Because, Hello Mr Queen, whats with those dreamy looks you're shooting towards our fav studly farmboy?  

OK, but kidding aside, I found Oliver's behavior really troublesome.  I don't think it was entirely clear whether his guy on the plane was listening in on his conversation with Clark or not, but God, I hope not!  What an incredible violation of Clark's confidence.  Also, shooting an arrow through Lex's head?  Dude, seek help!  You're supposed to be one of the good guys.  

He was a good friend to Lois though, and I liked that we had a scene where Lois could articulate her feelings.  I wish we could get something like for Clark, because I'm not entirely sure I have a clue where he's coming from.

And if Clark's feelings are being kept ambigious to cater to various shipping groups, then PS3 kinda suck.

Chloe and Jimmy were cute, and bubbly, and still don't have a touch of chemistry between them.  I felt Chloe was a bit off, but then I thought that was intentional, because she's a different person now without the burden of Clark's secret...or because she's Chloiac...or maybe she was the same old Chloe?  Hell if I could decide.  Allison looked lovely though.  She got so skinny.  I think I liked fleshier Allison a bit better.  

I don't actually mind Jimmy, or Oliver, pimping Clois, but I would rather SEE it then be TOLD it.  In other words, how much more effective is a scene of Jimmy observing Clark and Lois at the DP, and then mentioning how he's seen the way they looked at each other?  How much more effective is a scene of Oliver seeing Clark and Lois together, and noticing how Lois' feelings have changed, rather then him just announcing to Lois that he knows its Clark?  I guess I feel like I'm able to be very flexible here, and I've never liked Lois more then I like her this season.  And yet, I can't completely ignore that there are a lot of details sort of being glossed over.  And I think those details would tell a fuller, more satisfying story.

I hope Jimmy's gay friend isn't dead.

I'm not sure how I feel about Chloe telling Clark that she feels like a weights been lifted and she can just move on.  On the one hand, Yeah, that makes sense, and its easy to believe that she would feel freer and less burdened, even if she doesn't know why.  But on the other hand, it also feels a bit heavy-handed in an attempt to re-enforce Clark's decision, and I'm not sure I think thats a far thing to do to her character.

I thought the Doomsday stuff was handled very well, though the actual confrontation with Clark was sort of a disappointment.  Understandable, as its too soon for the "Big One", so we needed some lame-o way to get Clark out of the picture and incapacitated.  Enter Green-K!!  The handiest plot device in town ;)

So, I'm just going to say it, get it out of my system, and try to move on....I kind of think Clark could've been more considerate about Lois post-near kiss.  He just seems to forget her once Lana shows back up, and it just didn't sit entirely right with me.  The scene in the hospital was alright, but I guess I would've liked something more...or something else.  What can I say?  It didn't work for me.   OK, done!

Clana were mature in their loft scene.  I just didn't care for the dialogue, or the references to "things being different" if Lana didn't know the secret, because quite frankly, that makes ZERO fucking sense to me.  I wish Clark's dialogue had been stronger.  Again, I sort of feel like Clark's POV isn't really being articulated very well.  

Oh, for the Clark critics who didn't like him just hanging out at the hospital, having just rewatched the episode, it seems obvious that Clark and Oliver had been out looking, but had no luck, which is why Oliver was getting his satellites involved.  Clark seems to have gone to the hospital after that.  At least that was my impression upon a rewatching.

Did I mention how wonderful everyone looked?  My sister who is a very casual viewer (she loved the ep, BTW) told me today that she was just happy watching Tom be smoking hot for 40m.  She's got an excellent point!

So, there ya go.  Sort of a meandering, incoherent cranky ramble.  I'm glad so many people liked this episode though, and got more out of the Clois and Clana stuff then I did.  :)


 

 

Comments

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(Anonymous)
Nov. 22nd, 2008 05:22 am (UTC)
It's nice to see who had the most focus on this episode, Clark and Lois. Chloe, Jimmy, Oliver, and Lana had decent amount of screentime. Davis had the least. I was worried that Lois would get more screentime than Clark.
jeannev
Nov. 22nd, 2008 06:02 am (UTC)
Its pretty rare to see some many characters over 10m, and Jimmy was just a shade under it.
svgurl
Nov. 22nd, 2008 05:23 am (UTC)
I so wait for your reviews! Seeing the numbers out like that are cool and I think it's awesome that you calculated both Davis and Doomsday's numbers! :D

And if Clark's feelings are being kept ambigious to cater to various shipping groups, then PS3 kinda suck.

That'd be SO dumb. Really, if people haven't figured out that Clark and Lois are going to end up together, that's their issue. I really hope that that's not it though ... that they're really going to play multiple ships like AlMiles did. What I'm hoping they're keeping him ambiguous until Lana goes away.

Chimmy was cute but you're right, they don't have chemistry.

Allison looked lovely though. She got so skinny. I think I liked fleshier Allison a bit better.

I liked curvy Allison too! She was adorable in s5.

I wish that Clark remembered Lois existed after Lana showed up but oh well. What can you do? :\

The Clana was mature but you're right, a lot of it didn't make sense.

I just didn't care for the dialogue, or the references to "things being different" if Lana didn't know the secret, because quite frankly, that makes ZERO fucking sense to me.

Seriously! I mean wasn't s5 what happened when they get together without Lana knowing the secret? It was a disaster!

Did I mention how wonderful everyone looked?

Our show is SO pretty! Clark was smoking in that suit, Lois was beautiful in that dress and I loved Chloe in her wedding gown. I have a thing for her with curly hair too so that make me happy. :D
jeannev
Nov. 22nd, 2008 06:07 am (UTC)
I'm always glad when people like the numbers. :)

That'd be SO dumb.

Yes, but it would also be so SV. Unfortunately. I personally think the time to dick around with this stuff has come to an end, and they should pick a ship for Clark, and just sail it already.

Seriously! I mean wasn't s5 what happened when they get together without Lana knowing the secret? It was a disaster!

Right, which meant that whole conversation was bizarrely written. I find myself so frustated, so often with how these writers pen some of these echanges, which can be so moving and important, and instead come off a bit like "Huh?"

But there's no disputing that the show brings The Pretty! And then some.
sue_denim
Nov. 22nd, 2008 05:56 am (UTC)
I appreciate the amount of time you take to give us the running totals. It's very kind of you to do and share with everyone.
jeannev
Nov. 22nd, 2008 06:08 am (UTC)
Thank you. Thats nice of you to say. I wish I could claim that I was doing this out of the kindness of my heart, but the truth is that I've become a bit obsessed with the numbers. I'm absolutely determined to go back and finish out S1 & S2 eventually. Maybe during the hiatus.
canadabear
Nov. 22nd, 2008 06:15 am (UTC)
Oh, for the Clark critics who didn't like him just hanging out at the hospital, having just rewatched the episode, it seems obvious that Clark and Oliver had been out looking, but had no luck

I haven't rewatched yet and must have missed this the first time around, so if it's in there, then good. But really, I'd just like to tell people that i's a TV SHOW and that applying real world time and logic DOES NOT WORK. Clark is at the hospital because he can't start the search until the next episode! Accept it, and move on.

As for Clark dropping Lois... again, I can't blame him. Lois more or less didn't give him much choice by leaving as soon as Lana showed up to go sit at the house. She wasn't even there when Doomsday showed up, if I recall correctly, so in Clark's mind, she was automatically okay, while others were hurt. And their scene at the hospital worked for me, so that's that. OMG can we agree to disagree?
jeannev
Nov. 22nd, 2008 04:27 pm (UTC)
But really, I'd just like to tell people that i's a TV SHOW and that applying real world time and logic DOES NOT WORK. Clark is at the hospital because he can't start the search until the next episode! Accept it, and move on.

TOTALLY!! I don't really know why this needs to be explained to anyone. I mean, thats obvious, isn't it? If everyone on SV acted logically, I think the world would implode.

I just wish there was one thing, even a small thing, where Clark showed that he didn't forget about Lois and the near kiss as soon as Lana walked in the door. I saw it suggested on another site that if we had seen Clark looking around when Chimmy were cutting the cake...just scanning the guests...then it would seem like he was wondering where Lois went off to. And ya know, THAT would work. It would be enough. Just something.

But yes, I'm OK with agreeing to disagree *throws arm around you*
carolandtom
Nov. 22nd, 2008 10:03 am (UTC)
Thanks so much for the numbers! I'm glad to see that Clark had a fair amount of screentime, as it should be. :)

Clana were mature in their loft scene. I just didn't care for the dialogue, or the references to "things being different" if Lana didn't know the secret, because quite frankly, that makes ZERO fucking sense to me. I wish Clark's dialogue had been stronger. Again, I sort of feel like Clark's POV isn't really being articulated very well.

Absolutely! I wish the writers and editors were much more careful with continuity and with knowing where their characters come from. And I wish we could really hear Clark say the things we have ground to believe he feels. I don't understand why they find writing Clark's dialogues so difficult or unappealing.

It's amazing how much Tom does with the little, and often contradictory, material he's given to work with.


jeannev
Nov. 22nd, 2008 04:29 pm (UTC)
Keep those Clark numbers up!! Woo-Hoo!

I don't understand why they don't allow Clark to articulate his feelings a bit more either. God knows they used to allow him to do that when it was about Lana. But about other things? Rarely. And I think thats too bad. It does seem like they deliberately like to keep things in a certain way with him so they can push and pull him around the canvas, and cater to other fans. At least thats how it appears to me.
goodvibe
Nov. 22nd, 2008 01:44 pm (UTC)
//I had some issues with the way Lana's return was handled. And I didn't much care for the Clana scenes at all. I also wasn't entirely happy with how Clark acted this week. Not in every scene, but pretty much once Lana walked back though the door. And I sort of watch the show to be happy with Clark, to like Clark, etc. This week, following last week, its sort of a 1-2 punch of grumbling for me about my favorite guy.//

Oh Val. ::hugs:: Because this is exactly how I felt too, and your geberal uneasiness? About the ep? If it's anything like mine, wrt Clark, and what it may mean for his characterization in upcoming eps---? Then I completely relate. This ep has me feeling a little confused too, and not all together in a happy place wrt Clark. And I ::hate:: that. I was just saying in my own post, that it wasn't so much me having a problem with Lana' return. Because, actually I thought she was written alright. My discomfort has to do with what Lana' return means for the way Clark is written. I didn't know if others on my flist would necessarily agree, but I'm glad atleast you and I are on the same page about this. It's comforting, if nothing else.

I have to say though, than inspite of the aftermath of Clois, once Lana returned, I did really like their scenes in this ep. I've rambled about them enough in my own lj though, heh. So I won't bore you here.

I just hope the second half of the season does right by Clark.
jeannev
Nov. 22nd, 2008 04:33 pm (UTC)
::hugs you back:: Because frankly, I've been feeling a bit on the fringe with my feelings about Clark in this episode. All I can say is that he didn't act in a way that I would want my Clark to act. And I'm not talking about in a heroic way, or making a choice I don't necessarily like, but for noble reasons. I'm talking about Clark sort of acting like a jerky guy. And the reason for that really scares me for the upcoming eps.

I actually stopped myself from dissecting the Clana stuff in detail. But frankly, I was unhappy with all of it, aside from the way KK and TW try to bring dignity and maturity to their loft scene (and UGH! for a loft scene right off the bat). It just all rubbed me wrong, and wasn't at all what I was hoping for.

I hope they do right by Clark too. My expectations were already shakey. They took a big hit after this one.
serenography
Nov. 22nd, 2008 06:19 pm (UTC)
Thank you again for the totals. To be honest, I basically just want to be assured that Tom is getting the most screentime on his own show every week. So, I'm glad you give me this reassurance on a weekly basis. :)

I'm sorry you didn't enjoy the episode more. After a rewatch (and my squee from Lana's return finally setting down), I do have some quibbles, which I'm debating writing about. I just don't have a lot of time this weekend. Overall though, I was really happy with the episode - perhaps because I was sort of dreading what they were going to do with Lana, and Clark's reaction to seeing her again, along with throwing Lois into the mix. It wasn't nearly the train wreck it could have been for me. Actually, the opposite.
jeannev
Nov. 22nd, 2008 11:30 pm (UTC)
May I always be able to provide you with that assurance...and assure myself as well.

I may also delve further into my issues with this episode at a later date. Lets face it, we're going to have a lot of time between now and a new episode airs. Damn!

I definitely think Lana's reappearance worked in her favor. So, I can understand why Lana lovers would be pleased. :)
tasabian
Nov. 22nd, 2008 08:05 pm (UTC)
OK, but kidding aside, I found Oliver's behavior really troublesome. I don't think it was entirely clear whether his guy on the plane was listening in on his conversation with Clark or not, but God, I hope not! What an incredible violation of Clark's confidence. Also, shooting an arrow through Lex's head? Dude, seek help! You're supposed to be one of the good guys.
I really enjoyed the Clex undertones to the Clark/Oliver scene. But I was shocked that Oliver let his Pilot listen in on his conversation with Clark - he's fretting about Lex knowing The Secret, but lets a random dude listen in? And by attempting to murder Lex, Ollie's now officially darker than he was in "Sneeze" and "Rage." If it's motivated by Clark-jealousy, I like it from a slash standpoint, but Green Arrow is not supposed to be like this. Killing to protect Clark's secret is very much a Lionel move.

On the plus side, this was a much better wedding episode than "Promise"!
jeannev
Nov. 22nd, 2008 11:32 pm (UTC)
Oh, definitely better then Promise! Maybe some characters quibbles, but no character destruction that I saw. Well, except maybe for Oliver, as you describe. I'm just really not sure what I was supposed to take away from Oliver's behavior in this episode, because I can't say I took away anything positive. Except maybe for his talk with Lois.

And that line about "I'm doing this for you" was sort of creepy. I wish people would stop doing heinous things, and then claiming they are doing it for Clark. He didn't ask, and it just puts the burden of those actions on his shoulder unfairly.
canneverbe
Nov. 22nd, 2008 09:48 pm (UTC)
I agree with you, PS3 should jump in the sewer for Clark's indefinite emotions for the sole purpose of shipping.

I'm a disappointed Clois fan. Yeah, I don't enjoy everyone telling me they see Clois, because I would like to see it too. I didn't see chemistry in their dance at all. :(

I did expect Clark to do more than attempt one punch at Doomsday. Come on, Superman.

I hated the Clana scene. The dialouge was atrocious and I couldn't read Clark at all. Ambiguity strikes again.

I am very sorry you were not pleased by this episode. *hugs*
jeannev
Nov. 22nd, 2008 11:36 pm (UTC)
I just wish I felt like the writers went into the writers room and thought about Clark FIRST! I won't say its never that way, but it often doesn't feel that way.

I did see chemistry between Tom and Erica, but I'm one of those unusual fans who actually believe Tom has excellent chemistry with all his leading ladies. So, I did enjoy the dance, but I just feel like there's needs to be something a bit more from Clark, because right now, I'm not sure whats going on with him. And thats an uncomfortable place to be as a Clark fan.

I also understood them not having a Clark/Doomsday fight in this episode. That will come later in the season, and I'd rather they not break the bank on that now, and save it for later.

But hey, I'm glad I'm not alone in having some issues with this episode. Though honestly? I do enjoy fandom being more happy then angry, and this episode seemed to achieve that.
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jeannev
Nov. 22nd, 2008 11:38 pm (UTC)
Erica got screwed last season. Bigtime! I can't for the life of me figure out what they were thinking. I do think she's been better served in this season though.

And yeah, no love for AlMiles, and no tears for their exit. AssMonkies!!
jude_judith82
Nov. 22nd, 2008 11:20 pm (UTC)
Great review!

I did really love Clark in his scenes with Oliver, though I'm beginning to think Oliver is a few arrows short of a quiver. First of all, I'm not entirely convinced that Lana isn't the only other person Lois might have to contend with for Clark's heart. Because, Hello Mr Queen, whats with those dreamy looks you're shooting towards our fav studly farmboy?

LMAO!

I'm not sure how I feel about Chloe telling Clark that she feels like a weights been lifted and she can just move on. On the one hand, Yeah, that makes sense, and its easy to believe that she would feel freer and less burdened, even if she doesn't know why. But on the other hand, it also feels a bit heavy-handed in an attempt to re-enforce Clark's decision, and I'm not sure I think thats a far thing to do to her character.

This I'm not sure about either. It was nice but thinking back it felt forced.
jeannev
Nov. 22nd, 2008 11:39 pm (UTC)
Come on, those vibes Oliver was giving off were definitely a bit...questionable? When he said "I'm doing this for you", I was just surprised he didn't follow that line up with "because I love you". The HoYay! lives.

That Chloe line was definitely forced. :\
eeyore1017
Nov. 23rd, 2008 11:23 pm (UTC)
Thank you for doing the screentimes. Even if it's mainly done for your own OCD-ness, we appreciate it. :-)

I definitely didn't love this episode. I haven't decided if I'm going to write my own review for it yet. I started to write one, but I don't know if I'll post or finish it. Like with Abyss, my overall feeling is just sadness for Clark. It's like we're back to the "nothing good can happen to/for Clark and everything bad that happens is somehow Clark's fault" storylines.

Clark and Lana's convo made no sense to me, especially considering the spoilers that I've read. I just don't get it. I can't remember the exact points that confused me, but basically, I was just thinking, "huh?" at the end of it.

I don't get Lana's whole storyline at this point unless she's being mind-controlled and doesn't know it yet?

Tom looked absolutely beautiful so that's at least a "pro" for the episode.

I'm not sure what's going on with Oliver and him "killing" Lex or what was supposed to be Lex. He was supposedly over his anger, but apparently not.

Last week, right before Chloe lost her Clark memories, she said how happy she was to be in on the secret and to have helped the world (or whatever she said) and then this week she said that she felt like a great weight had been lifted. Well, which one is it?

I thought that the Clark/Lois dance was nice/sweet, but I also thought that Clark wanting to kiss Lois kind of came out of nowhere...

I hope Jimmy's gay friend isn't dead.
Me too! He was great! I hope he lives AND they give him a name.

I agree with what you said about how it would be better if we were seeing Jimmy and Oliver witness great Clois interactions, therefore giving them reasons to be so pro-Clois. Has Oliver even had a scene with Clark and Lois this season? Maybe Clark and Oliver discuss Lois post-coitus? ;-)

Has Jimmy even had a scene this season with both Clark and Lois!?!? Oy. I guess they did at the end of Prey when they were oohing and aahing over the Red/Blue Blur headline...

I did like the way that Clark acted towards Lana at the beginning of their convo- when he said how he could have used some warning and that her reason for coming back- "he wasn't expecting it to be him" or whatever he said. I didn't like Lana telling him that saving people is "what he should have been doing this whole time." F*ck off Lana!

I think I'll leave my comments at that for now...

Edited at 2008-11-23 11:25 pm (UTC)
jeannev
Nov. 24th, 2008 12:22 am (UTC)
Like with Abyss, my overall feeling is just sadness for Clark. It's like we're back to the "nothing good can happen to/for Clark and everything bad that happens is somehow Clark's fault" storylines.

You aren't alone in that feeling. I've had the same vibes myself. I had this feeling that Abyss might shift this season in this direction. I was hoping that wouldn't be the case. I'm still hoping. But, I don't know...

Tom looked absolutely beautiful so that's at least a "pro" for the episode.

Of course! But than again, thats a "pro" for most SV eps. LOL

Has Oliver even had a scene with Clark and Lois this season? Maybe Clark and Oliver discuss Lois post-coitus? ;-)

Hey, maybe you're onto something there...

I think the only Clark/Lois/Oliver scene we've had this season was the one in the jewelry store in Committed, and its unlikely he'd have gotten any vibes off them there.

I didn't like Lana telling him that saving people is "what he should have been doing this whole time." F*ck off Lana!

Yeah, I had a lot of problems with the dialogue in that scene. And I hadn't really been able to put my fingers on it. But its not hard to take what Lana said to Clark as a backhanded compliment at best, a thinly veiled dig at worst. I mean, Shit!, wasn't she proud of him before? And hasn't he been saving people all along?







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jeannev
Nov. 24th, 2008 04:14 pm (UTC)
So far this season Clark has been smart, proactive, heroic and this episode I thought he came off as a jerk after Lana arrived. Totally forgetting about Lois to make goo goo eyes at Lana was insensitive.

I'm not sure I'd say he was making goo-goo eyes at Lana, but that scene didn't quite sit right to me either. He's just about to kiss Lois, Lana comes in and he just stares at her, not even glancing back at Lois, who slinks away.

All of that just doesn't sit quite right with me.

Look, I get that Clark was blindsided, and I get why the kiss would be interrupted. But it seems to me that it was handled in a very over-the-top "Telemundo" sort of way. Even Lana in the doorway, shadowed, then stepping out into the light seemed to be ripped right from a soap opera. And in a season thats been far less soapy, I don't welcome the return of it.

After ten episodes I am enjoying this season despite a few quibbles and I'm hopeful that after the break the show will continue building on its early season momentum.

*fingers crossed*, and lets say a few prayers to the God/Gods of our choice. I'm really so nervous about what they're going to do with My Clark.

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jeannev
Dec. 2nd, 2008 01:26 am (UTC)
Ya know, I don't care that much about Davis the medic either. SW is a talented actor, but I'm just not feeling the poor woobie stuff. And we really didn't have a lot of time to get to know Davis the Medic before we saw Doomsday the Murderer. I don't know, but I'm just not feeling him.

Honestly, the funny thing about Lana's comment in regards to Clark erasing her memories is that I got the impression that Lana wasn't really all that concerned about Chloe or how it effected her. I think she was just warning Clark not to do it to her.

I suspect Clark's feelings are being kept ambigious to allow them to continue to play the shipping angles. And that pisses me off.
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