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Congrats to Tom, and more deleted scenes

 Congratulations Mr Welling on winning Best Actor, Favorite Character, and Favorite Director in this years K-Site awards.  You are loved! :)





The very fabulous andreas_ri has posted 2 more deleted scenes.  

Chloe and Clark in Cure
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDEde0_vWPY

Lana and Lionel in Wrath


The Chloe/Clark scene, I can understand why they cut it.  I had seen stills from that scene, and I had hoped that they were talking more about themselves and their relationship with each other.  Instead, its very much about Jimmy and Lana, with Chloe inexplicably repeating Clark's mistakes without any realization.  And Clark seems rather clueless about Lana.  So, no sweat cutting that.

The Wrath scene is quite interesting, but I'm not sure if thats in a good or bad way.  The scene definitely makes Lana seem very cold-blooded in regards to Clark (who she basically calls a coward), and to Lex (who she calls a psychopath).  But she also does hit Lionel right between the eyes with how much he is to blame for who Lex became, and what he expects from Clark.  However, Lionel comes off a bit light weight here, which I don't like to see.

I don't know, but I think I'm leaning towards believing that scene should've remained.

Once again, much thanks to andreas_ri
 

ETA:  I just read something from Craig at SWEET that Tennyson at TWoP banned him!!  That chick is a freaking psycho.  Why in the hell would someone ban Craig of all people.  She's just really loopy. 

Comments

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jude_judith82
Aug. 26th, 2008 11:55 pm (UTC)
Yayyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!
jeannev
Aug. 27th, 2008 12:51 am (UTC)
You can say that again. I always love when Tom gets a little fandom love.
svgurl
Aug. 26th, 2008 11:59 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I agree with you on the "Cure" scene.

I thought the Wrath one was interesting too ... I didn't appreciate Lana calling Clark a coward either. Then again, that episode was all around bad ... it only proved to me that Clark and Lana do not belong together. :\

And I have to add that I was totally excited about Tom winning Best Actor, Fav Director and Character. That was awesome! He totally deserves it. :D

Edited at 2008-08-26 11:59 pm (UTC)
jeannev
Aug. 27th, 2008 12:53 am (UTC)
The thing about the Wrath scene is that there are so many layers there. You get a glimpse of just how angry and damaged Lana. And she's really fucking bitter. And thats interesting. And the things she is saying to Lionel are sort of accurate. I think they probably cut it because Lana comes off looking pretty brutal, and they may have thought it was just too much.

And Yay for Tom!!
svgurl
Aug. 27th, 2008 01:25 am (UTC)
The thing about Wrath was that it could've been great ... it did show deeper levels of Lana. But the end of the episode ruined everything for me. I thought what Lana said to Lionel was accurate ... it came out brutal but it needed to be said. I loved when Clark said it. :D
jeannev
Aug. 27th, 2008 01:28 am (UTC)
I think my biggest issue with Wrath is that I knew it wasn't going to really lead anywhere, and so it was disappointing. There was really a lot to explore there, but I knew they wouldn't. And knowing that, the episode comes off as a waste to me. The only long lasting effect of that episode seemed to be that it caused a huge crack in Clana that never quite got fixed over the course of S7, even though they remained together.
canadabear
Aug. 27th, 2008 12:38 am (UTC)
I really liked the Cure scene... right up until they started talking about Lana. I can understand both of them being cut.

And yay Tom! Very much deserved.
jeannev
Aug. 27th, 2008 12:54 am (UTC)
The Cure scene starts off really well, with the stuff about accepting yourself, and Clark reassuring Chloe that she's special, and then it just sort of fell apart for me.

And you know how I feel about Tom, so of course I'm thrilled.
huzzlewhat
Aug. 27th, 2008 12:56 am (UTC)
Ooh, if I'd been in charge, I'd've kept the Lana-Lionel scene. It's brutal, and I love it.

I find an interesting parallel between Lionel telling Lana that her flaunting her powers jeopardizes the secret that Clark has spent his life hiding, and Clark telling Kara the same thing... I'm not sure what it means, of course, but it adds a nice parallel, and you know I'm all about the parallels... :-)

jeannev
Aug. 27th, 2008 01:05 am (UTC)
Well, it would've been a scene that spawned a ton of debate, and lots of passionate arguing, thats for sure. Its really too bad that they didn't really take this Dark Lana arc as far as they could've. And I don't mean turn her into a villian, or make her unredeemable. I'm just saying that they could've let it take more time to develop, unfold, and then did a better job of dealing with the fallout. This deleted scene really gives you a taste of what might have been.
serenography
Aug. 27th, 2008 04:50 am (UTC)
I tend to view Lana's actions in Wrath a bit differently, of course, being a Lana fan probably explains that. *g*

Clark made a clear point in the episode about the drastic effects that having Clark's powers has on a human's mental state. Lana became progessively violent and unbalanced - saying and doing things she wouldn't normally do. While I think her comments about Lex and Lionel were pretty much dead-on, I do think her being mad with superpowers certainly spurned her on to be more aggressive in all her thoughts. Her remark about Clark no doubt came from her new realization of his enormous potential. Her remarks to him in Action, about not wanting to be the one to hold him back and keep him on the farm are in line with her comments in Wrath. So there certainly is a seed of sincerity in them for her, juiced on superpowers or not.

But yeah.. I don't like hearing her criticize Clark either. :)

The Chloe/Clark scene bugs me because they're basically explaining things to each other (Lana and Jimmy) and neither are listening to the other. It's kind of frustrating and I don't really like it. We have a surplus of frustrating scenes on this show already.



jeannev
Aug. 27th, 2008 02:11 pm (UTC)
I can see that angle, and I think the show made that point, but I think the waters were a bit muddy because we had already seen Lana going to some shocking extremes even before she got Clark's powers. But I definitely do think they were going for a "she wasn't herself" sort of defense on the show itself.

But I have to be honest and say I've never been able to fully reconcile myself with the things she said about Clark, and the way she acted towards him. I guess because I never got any scenes post-Wrath which forcefully negated her words. And thats because they did such a horrible job of writing Clana's "real shot", and completely shortchanged them.

I agree with you that Clark/Chloe scene just really didn't work. Its not a well written scene, and the dialogue is just off.
pep_singer
Aug. 27th, 2008 01:39 am (UTC)
I actually hate that they cut the Chlark scene from "Cure". To me, it explains why Clark came off somewhat cold at the beginning of "Action" when Chloe talked about Jimmy. It's the little things, you know?

And I kind of like the Lana/Lionel scene, but I agree about Lionel coming off as a light weight. That's not Lionel.
pep_singer
Aug. 27th, 2008 01:40 am (UTC)
Also, I'm quite thrilled with Tom's wins at the KSite Awards. WTG, Tom! He really did deserve them.
jeannev
Aug. 27th, 2008 01:43 am (UTC)
Ah, ya know, you bring up an excellent point. It does seem to set up the beginning of Action nicely. But man, I just can't get behind scenes where Chloe is going on and on about Jimmy. It just doesn't come off as real to me because I can't believe this Chloe would ever be interested in this Jimmy, ya know?

Lionel really wasn't written well this past season. He just was no longer the MB. Then again, maybe that was the point.
eeyore1017
Aug. 27th, 2008 02:24 am (UTC)
Yay Tommy! I'm really glad that he won for favorite actor/character!

I can't believe that Tennison banned Craig. WTF?!?! I'll have to go on TWoP and try and do some investigating. I think he's the main reason that a lot of people go to the SV forum on TWoP in the first place. Crazy!

I liked the beginning of the Clark/Chloe deleted scene, but Clark thinking that Lana is going to be happy baking cookies? I don't buy that. It's too bad they didn't say pie instead of cookies. :-)

I liked Vengeful!Lana in the Wrath scene, but I don't think it would have been developed any farther than that so it's probably better that they cut it.

Completely off-topic: No matter how many Tommy icons I have, I always want more!! I'm obsessed! :-)
jeannev
Aug. 27th, 2008 02:39 am (UTC)
As far as I'm concerned, Tom doesn't get enough pats on the back, so I'm always happy when he gets some.

Tennison is just nuts. When you see some of the stuff she allows, then hear about some of the stuff she deletes? Its like "what exactly do you base your decisions on?" Throwing darts at a wall? She's a nut.

My impression from the Clark/Chloe scene is that Clark is sort of kidding himself, and he knows it. He seems to think it will all work out if he's just patient, and honest, but he doesn't seem very certain.

My feelings on Wrath are that if they really weren't going to go down that path with Lana, and explore the implications, then better not to have done it at all.

I haven't made any new Tommy icons lately. I have a ton of them already. I should get back to that. I was working on another picspam project with the blended pictures, and quotes from episodes. I was actually working on the one for Clana. But I got distracted.
eeyore1017
Aug. 27th, 2008 03:07 am (UTC)
I went onto TWoP and there was a lot of heated debate over the results of the K-site poll. Also, apparently there were a lot of people "offended" by Craig's use of the word "impressive" in reference to ED coming in 2nd place for favorite actress. I couldn't bring myself to read all of the ranting, but unless Tennison banned Craig for liking Erica/Lois, I don't see what he was doing wrong. Not that liking ED is wrong, but I think you know what I'm trying to say here.

I'm almost at my max for icons, but then I keep reminding myself that I should save some space for some new Scruffy!Clark icons from the new season. Eventually, I will have to delete some of my current icons. If we were allowed 200 icons though, I'd probably be almost at my max for that too! I just never get tired of looking at the gorgeous Tom Welling!

After letting the deleted scene sink in, I agree with you and several others that Clark is more likely trying to convince himself than Chloe that Lana is happy baking cookies and that it's what "they always wanted."
pep_singer
Aug. 27th, 2008 12:32 pm (UTC)
The main reason people called him out on using "impressive" was because (1) he added the "she should have more episode" at the end and (2) if you're going to heap praise on the distant second place winner, then do it for ALL the categories.
jeannev
Aug. 27th, 2008 02:15 pm (UTC)
But ya know, why isn't Craig just entitled to his opinion? Why can't he say he thinks Lois should get more eps? Why does he not deserve the same freedom to express himself that any other poster does? Maybe his comment was in response to the people who will swear up and down that EVERYONE hates Lois. I mean, really, does the guy deserve to be attacked over this? I just don't believe so.

Edited at 2008-08-27 02:16 pm (UTC)
pep_singer
Aug. 27th, 2008 10:09 pm (UTC)
Personally, I don't really care about what Craig did. I'm used to Craig making snide/sarcastic comments in reference to other things. I think those who are upset didn't like it because he made the comments on his site (where the awards are listed), not at TWoP.
gildinwen
Aug. 27th, 2008 02:26 am (UTC)
I haven't seen the second scene but in the first one, Clark actually doesn't seem that clueless. What he says may seems clueless yes, but check out his eyes. He doesn't believe what he's saying. And it ties in nicely with that end scene between Clana.
jeannev
Aug. 27th, 2008 02:40 am (UTC)
Yes, exactly, I got the same impression. Its like he wants to believe...but really doesn't. Which actually works very well with the scene between Clana at the Kent farm, where he confronts her about the 10 million dollars.
carolandtom
Aug. 27th, 2008 11:43 am (UTC)
Yay for Tom! I love that he won both as an actor an director!!! The episode he directed won too and the three top couples had Clark in them. Of course I'm thrilled that Clark was voted best character once again!
I hope some people, Craig included, realize how much Tom and Clark are loved!
jeannev
Aug. 27th, 2008 02:17 pm (UTC)
I actually do think he gets it at this point. I truly do.

But yay for our Tommy! He's awesome (and deserves better).
starry_dawn
Aug. 27th, 2008 11:54 am (UTC)
Yay, Tom! :D

When did we last have a Chlark scene in which they talked about themselves? I'm sort of glad the "Cure" scene got deleted because it would've added pretty much nothing to the story. Two lines about the major event Chloe (and Clark) just went through, and then it's all about Jimmy and Lana. Ugh, why is it so hard to keep stuff focused on this show? :/
jeannev
Aug. 27th, 2008 02:18 pm (UTC)
Another thing that struck me about that Chloe/Clark scene is that it just seems to repeatitive when we went through that stuff between them (only over Lana) for 2 years. I just think Chimmy is a mistake up, down, sideways and backwards. And I think that relationship, and building up its importance, is a big reason that deleted scene just doesn't work.
starry_dawn
Aug. 27th, 2008 04:05 pm (UTC)
And I think that relationship, and building up its importance, is a big reason that deleted scene just doesn't work.

Absolutely. And I think the same problem is going to affect S8 as a whole. Really, I can't think of a lot of people who like or want to see Chimmy, so this just really isn't going to help matters AT ALL.
jeannev
Aug. 27th, 2008 04:34 pm (UTC)
I just don't get why they've pushed it so much. I suspect that they think this is something they are giving Chloe, but really, I think its something they are taking away from her. Because Chimmy makes her less interesting.
iris_summers
Aug. 27th, 2008 01:57 pm (UTC)
Yay! I'm so glad that TW & Clark are getting so much love in the K-Site awards.

And Craig's been banned from TWOP? Unbelievable.

The wanky part of me wishes Tennison didn't delete all the fuss about the Ksite awards. It's like any result which doesn't completely support Chlois/Chloe/AM/Chlark are automatically suspect and have to be put down. *roll eyes* Whatever.
jeannev
Aug. 27th, 2008 02:22 pm (UTC)
TWoP is just a completely fucked up place at this point. One myopic POV, constant bashing and ranting, and the worst moderator on the planet. Its a shame because I used to think it was the most interesting place in the SV fandom. It just went south.

Ya know, I don't see Tom fans complaining about how much Craig compliments MR on his second place finish in the best actor category. And I'm still not quite sure why the guy isn't allowed to express his opinions. The polls are fair. Craig's opinions on the results are his to express.
iris_summers
Aug. 27th, 2008 02:50 pm (UTC)
It used to be a lot of fun during the first few seasons, I think, where there were a lot more balanced opinions before too much bitterness took over. Unfortunately, it's just gotten to a point where certain fans have built up such high expectations of what they want the show to be, they just can't enjoy it anymore, even though they can't stop watching it, or see that other fans have a right to still like it.

And seriously, the wankery about Craig's opinion is just... *shrug* I mean, a single "impressive" somehow means that he's unobjective unless he also praises how well the Chlark scored in Best Pairing? Craig's complimented some 2nd place winners and not others, but yeah, I don't exactly see a fuss being raised about how unfair he's been to those other runner-ups.
jeannev
Aug. 27th, 2008 04:37 pm (UTC)
Unfortunately, it's just gotten to a point where certain fans have built up such high expectations of what they want the show to be, they just can't enjoy it anymore, even though they can't stop watching it, or see that other fans have a right to still like it.

Thats an excellent, and very accurate assessment.

I guess I just always figured a site like that shouldn't be a fancamp, and so biased. I was wrong.

I guess the question I'd ask pertaining to Craig is why does he have to be unbiased? All he needs to do is conduct the poll fairly, which he did. After that, his opinions are his own, and deserve the respect that anyone would want towards their own opinion.
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jeannev
Aug. 27th, 2008 04:38 pm (UTC)
And congrats to Tom's mommy for making such a pretty, talented boy! LOL

Its funny, because I keep going back and forth that on that deleted Wrath scene. It certainly would've been a hotly debated scene, thats for sure.
goodvibe
Aug. 27th, 2008 07:34 pm (UTC)
Craig was banned from TWOP? The hell?

That place has now officially gone off the rails.
jeannev
Aug. 27th, 2008 10:34 pm (UTC)
Its just nutty over there. And actually, pretty dead, except for a few threads. I think a lot of people have left that particular building, so Craig is actually in decent company. You & I included *g*
la_belle_isa
Aug. 28th, 2008 03:28 am (UTC)
Craig banned from TWOP? He was about the only reason I was going in there! TWOP is a cult where you have to pledge alliegance to Chlois/Chloe/Lex and Clark and Lois hate. I think they're now totally irrelevant in the fandom and I was wondering why Craig was losing his time over there.

So happy for Tom!
jeannev
Aug. 28th, 2008 01:28 pm (UTC)
I think Craig was the reason a lot of people went to TWoP. It was a boneheaded move by Tennison, but only one among many.
tariel22
Aug. 28th, 2008 08:59 am (UTC)
Yay for Tom! The KSite Awards were wonderful news for our boy. I was especially gratified to see him win Favorite Director, and for Apocalypse to win Best Episode. And writers, are you listening? Clark is the Favorite Character! Don't you think maybe the show should focus on him?

I watched those two scenes, and there were things I liked and didn't like about both. It's hard for me to ever think any scene with Clark in it should be cut. :) I liked Clark's sincerity in giving Chloe advice, and it was nice to hear someone say what's up with Lana, but I guess it didn't advance the story in any significant way.

The second one was great for what Lana said about Lionel's role in making Lex who he was, but I hated watching Lionel scurry around the office to get away from Lana, and everything she was saying was going to be negated by the "she wasn't herself" defense anyway. I think you're right, that Lana came off as too harsh, and that's why they cut it.

Don't even get me started on TWoP. It's nothing but bitterness and rants, IMO, with the exception of the actor threads, which are mostly dead except for MR's. And the rants are so overboard, the arguments have no credibility. I haven't been there in a long time, but isn't Craig responsible for a LOT of the subject matter that fuels the discussion? And if he was banned for defending himself, that's just wrong. The mod has been completely out of control for a long time now, and her actions serve to kill the discussion rather than foster it. It's just a mess, and I've washed my hands of it. Besides, what fun is it without you there? :) I'm much happier in my LJ anyway. At least there no one jumps down my throat or makes me feel stupid every time I post.

Wasn't today wonderful? I'm still high on all the Tommy love everywhere, not to mention the stunning pretty to which we were all treated. I just love being a Tommy girl! *twirls*

Speaking of pretty, I love the Tommy pic! That's from one of the TCA events, right? He's so gorgeous. And he looks even better now! I can't wait for September 18! *bounces*
jeannev
Aug. 28th, 2008 01:36 pm (UTC)
I just love seeing Clark come out as favorite character. After the last few months, and some of the posts I've seen ("no one watches for Clark"), it nice to have a little validation. Because in fact, yes, there are a lot of us that DO watch for Clark. And Tom.

I think my biggest disappointment is that I've always felt that intelligent people can have a discussion, and disagree, without it getting ugly. But you just can't do that at TWoP. If you go against the prevailing majority of opinion, the ganging up is out of control. And you can't have a discussion with people who just can't do anything but rant and bash. And there are smart people at TWoP, so I don't quite understand the inability to be civil. At all. I just weep for my Tom Welling thread, that I worked hard to keep active. But oh well, there ain't no point in talkin' when there's nobody listenin'...as Rod Stewart would say. I love it here on lj, and I'm really having fun with the enthusiasm at K-Site. Its making me enthusiastic, and what a nice change that is.

The Tommy pic in this post is from the 2004 TCA, where he presented with KK. Its one of my favorite "looks" for Tom ever, and he looks absolutely spectacular.
tariel22
Aug. 28th, 2008 05:01 pm (UTC)
I made my very first post on KSite just the other day, although I've been registered there for months. I've never really ventured into any of the discussion forums (so far I've stuck to the fan art and pic threads), but if you like it there, maybe I'll check them out.
jeannev
Aug. 28th, 2008 05:45 pm (UTC)
You'll definitely get a much wider variety of opinions, thats for sure. Its a bit unruly, and I think there's a wide range of ages and nationalities, which can sometimes make conversations a bit hard to carry-on. But its at least fun to hang out with fans that are really excited for the show. And you should definitely venture into the Tom Welling pic thread, because there's some serious love for him there. Truthfully, I never go into the character thread because I object to the way its titled.

But, yeah I feel pretty comfortable over there.
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