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Screentime Total Project: S3 UPDATE

I'M DONE, I'M DONE!!!!!

Well, not completely finished.  I haven't tallied everything up yet.  But all the episodes are re-watched, timed,  and broken down by character.  

Random observations:

Definitely much more focus on Clark, lots more Clark, and much smarter, proactive Clark.  There are several scenes of him investigating things on his own, doing his own research on a computer, and coming up with his own plans.  While he does bounce ideas off several characters, i.e. Chloe, Pete, his parents, he's more often then not the catalyst, and the one that comes up the ideas.  They need to find their way back to this.

There's a lot of Lana in S3.  I'll be interested to see the totals when I'm done, but I think this is the most Lana heavy season I've re-watched.

The end of the season is very Lex/Lionel heavy.  No surprise there.

John Glover has more screentime in Memoria then Michael Rosenbaum, though the character of Lex has more screentime then the character of Lionel.

Speaking of Memoria, I find its one of those episodes that fandom killed for me.  I'm sure people can figure out why.

The only characters in all 22 eps of S3 are Clark, Lex, Lana and Martha.  

John Glover appears in 16 episodes.  The most out of S3-S7.

There is not one episode in S3 that Clark appears for less then 16m.  In S6, there were 11.  In S7, there were 9.

Doing the montage in Covenant was a bitch!

I love Covenant, its my favorite season finale.  I just can never get over Jonathan Kent promising to give Clark back to Jor-El, and not telling Martha and Clark about it.  That is seriously effed up.  But I do find the Kent family dysfunction rather fascinating to be honest.

I'm still not seeing how Clark treated Lex so badly post-Asylum.  Their relationship doesn't seem to move into really testy waters until post-Memoria.  They still seem pretty friendly to me from Delete to Truth.  Oh, also, going by dialogue, Lex must know that Lionel was responsible for him going to Belle Reve.  There are 2 references to it, one by Clark speaking to Lex, and one by Lex speaking to Lionel, where its said that Lionel had Lex thrown in Belle Reve and fried his brain to keep him from remembering what he found out.  So, I don't believe, based on that, that Lex still believes he had a breakdown by the end of S3.

I will always love the scene from Talisman where Jonathan and Martha are asleep in the kitchen floor with a recovering Clark (from the stab wound) between them.  Something about that image just chokes me up.

Pete was sort of a douche, but SJIII definitely got the shaft.

If I think of anything else, I'll include it with the final tallies for the season. :)

Next up, season 2.

Oh, and I hope some good SV spoilers come out of Comic Con, because so far, I'm not that encouraged.

Comments

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jude_judith82
Jul. 27th, 2008 05:00 pm (UTC)
Yay!!!! I can't wait to see the final totals.


Speaking of Memoria, I find its one of those episodes that fandom killed for me. I'm sure people can figure out why.


Call me dumb buy why?

I'm still not seeing how Clark treated Lex so badly post-Asylum. Their relationship doesn't seem to move into really testy waters until post-Memoria. They still seem pretty friendly to me from Delete to Truth.

Thank you!
jeannev
Jul. 27th, 2008 05:48 pm (UTC)
On Memoria its the absolutely endless rantings about how Clark is the worst person ever in the whole universe to ever exist for his actions in the episode. Don't get me wrong, because I have my problems with his actions, but I think its been blown so far out of proportion, and totally warped to the point where the whole episode just disgusts me now.
jude_judith82
Jul. 27th, 2008 06:20 pm (UTC)
Oh wow that really sucks. I actually really love that episode. I ignore the Clark hate. No matter what he does he's never going to be good enough for some people. I ignore the haters period. I can't really take anyone seriously who watches/reads/whatever something and then just bitches on how awful it is. Then don't watch change the channel or find something else to do.
starry_dawn
Jul. 27th, 2008 05:01 pm (UTC)
Ooh, thanks for doing this! S3 is definitely up there as one of my favourite seasons of the show, even though it is very Lana and Clana heavy. I just think that back then, they had the potential to carry through with a good arc, and make it last through the season. That ability seems to have disappeared now. And I have no idea what's been causing the show decline in the writing for Clark - did we have a lot of different writers in the earlier seasons who left? Because he seems to have suffered the most as the seasons went on. Everyone else has been reduced to, but none as much as him, I think.
jeannev
Jul. 27th, 2008 05:51 pm (UTC)
We've definitely lost some good writers. I suspect 2 things have happened with the writing for Clark. One is that they want to stall Clark, and the other is that they've lost interest in writing for him, and find other characters more interesting. Watching it all backwards now, I also think that Clark was hurt by losing so many confidantes, i.e. Pete, Ma & Pa Kent, and having Chloe inherit all those mantles.

starry_dawn
Jul. 27th, 2008 05:58 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I think you're right. The stalling is part of the reason why I wish they would just hurry up and announce that this is going to be their last season. The more they drag it out, the less heroic they're making him seem.

And putting all the secret-keeping stuff on Chloe was a mistake, I think. You're right that she's taken up the role of friend, advisor, guide, protector ... everything at once. I miss the old dynamic, where Clark had a bunch of different people to interact with. I love Chloe as much as the next fan, but I do think that they needlessly piled on too much for her, thus ruining Clark and the Chlark dynamic in the process.
moonshayde
Jul. 27th, 2008 05:07 pm (UTC)
Speaking of Memoria, I find its one of those episodes that fandom killed for me. I'm sure people can figure out why.

I wasn't in fandom at the time, though I was watching SV since S1. What happened? I sort of live in a bubble ;)
jeannev
Jul. 27th, 2008 05:52 pm (UTC)
I answered that question above. I think its just one of those episodes where fandom has so beat down Clark in it that it just aggravates me to watch now. Maybe that makes no sense, but I can't help it. :/
carolandtom
Jul. 27th, 2008 05:23 pm (UTC)
Thanks for this. I'm amazed that you haven't still given up on SV altogether. I admire your drive.
And I understand what you say about Memoria and fandom perfectly. In fact, fandom has made me dislike characters and episodes I previously didn't have a problem with.
As for season eight, I love seeing Tom every week but SV has become such a painful experience to me that, too often, I find myself wishing it never makes a full season, or Tom decides to quit.
jeannev
Jul. 27th, 2008 05:53 pm (UTC)
Fandom has definitely effected how I feel towards certain characters. I wish I could say that it doesn't effect me, but it does.

I really watch for Tom, and Clark, because I still love him. SV has the ability to be really good, but I'm not so sure that I think its going to happen in S8. Sadly. They had a chance...but I don't see them stepping up.
gildinwen
Jul. 27th, 2008 07:13 pm (UTC)
I never saw Memoria, I only started watching in Season five. I can't make a comment on it. I can certainly comment on fandom turing me against certain characters, and I think, that's it's the same two character's for both of us *wink*
jeannev
Jul. 27th, 2008 09:51 pm (UTC)
Yeah, probably. :) I try to fight against that though, because I know its not really fair. Its tough sometimes...

I would recommend you go back and watch S3. I think you'd enjoy it. :)
gildinwen
Jul. 28th, 2008 12:22 am (UTC)
Oh in regards to the "fandom turning people against certain characters" I'm with you absolutely :-) I would like to love those characters on their own merits. But like you said. It is hard sometimes.
And thanks for the recommendation!! I will go and watch Season Three again. I really want too.
Thank you for doing all this work. It's very appreciated!!
svgurl
Jul. 27th, 2008 07:46 pm (UTC)
Ooh, I'm very interested to see the final numbers too!

Definitely much more focus on Clark, lots more Clark, and much smarter, proactive Clark. There are several scenes of him investigating things on his own, doing his own research on a computer, and coming up with his own plans.

Which is why I loved early seasons Clark. He came up with his own conclusions, did a lot of his own research ... why they're making him so dependent now is something I just can't understand. It's not doing Clark OR Chloe any favors to have him completely rely on her.

I miss the family moments ... poor Clark seems so alone now.

Pete annoyed me sometimes but I felt bad for the actor.

Speaking of Memoria, I find its one of those episodes that fandom killed for me. I'm sure people can figure out why.

I guess I should be happy I wasn't in fandom during that time? I can figure out why though. :\
jeannev
Jul. 27th, 2008 09:54 pm (UTC)
Well, with the Memoria thing, its just kept on going and going and going...If it had just been at the time, it wouldn't be so bad for me.

There's just absolutely no doubt in my mind that Clark was written better in the earlier seasons. But I think that goes hand-in-hand with the focus being on him. When they lost focus, they lost the character in a lot of significant ways. Here's hoping they get him back for S8. Some of the comments coming out of Comic Con can be considered hopeful, I think.
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jeannev
Jul. 27th, 2008 09:57 pm (UTC)
There is no doubt in mind whatsoever that the loss of the Kent family was a huge blow for Clark, but also the show overall. It lost a ton of its heart when it lost that. And it took something from Clark that was a fundamental piece of his character, and then never had him deal with the loss, or filled it in with anything else. I think they might've been trying that with Kara, but that was a total failure for the most part.

I can appreciated Memoria for the amazing performances of TW, MR, JG, AOT and the little kid that played young Lex. And Alisen Down too.

That scene from Talisman just hurts my heart, but in a good way.
pep_singer
Jul. 27th, 2008 08:31 pm (UTC)
//Speaking of Memoria, I find its one of those episodes that fandom killed for me. I'm sure people can figure out why.//

You know, I totally understand. I remember when I first watched that episode long before I got involved in fandom, and it really affected me. Now, it's hard for me to watch without something in the back of my head going, "I don't understand what Clark has done so wrong!" I've gotten to the point where I just have to force myself not to let the opinions of others affect the episodes that I enjoy.

And word about Clark's behavior post-Asylum. I don't understand it, either.
jeannev
Jul. 27th, 2008 09:59 pm (UTC)
I think, for me, its not that I don't understand beind disappointed in what Clark does in Memoria. I think its just the degree to which that disappointment turns into raging, and continuous, hatred, and things get exaggerated and blown way out of reality. It just gets tiresome.
serenography
Jul. 28th, 2008 05:17 am (UTC)
Congrats on finishing your viewing project!

Memoria remains one of my favorite SV episodes. That final loft scene with Clark and Martha gets me every time.

I always felt SJIII's acting left a lot to be desired, so I was fine with him leaving. Although, I do think it was a loss for Clark to not have any real male friends after that.

For me, Lana was also touchstone for Clark to Smallville and his simple hometown life on the farm. At least that was the ideal, until it simply wasn't.



jeannev
Jul. 28th, 2008 01:32 pm (UTC)
Thanks!! Well, I finished this phase of it. S1 & S2 are still to go. But I'll need to take a bit of breather before I plunge into S2.

I do love that last Clark/Martha scene from Memoria. I think TW and AOT have some of the best, but more uncelebrated, chemistry on the series. The heart-to-heart moments between Clark and Martha are usually so lovely. Solitude is another one that comes to mind.

I agree with you, that Lana should've been that touchstone. And I think she was from S1-S3. I think once they sent her to Paris, and then the Isabel stuff, and everything that came after that...they sort of lost that quality to her.
seacrystal
Jul. 28th, 2008 06:45 am (UTC)
S3 remains my least favourite season, tied with S6. There are some very good episodes, some of the best of the series IMO (Perry, Shattered) but these two are the seasons I'd never feel compelled to watch as a whole again. They make for a very depressing viewing, and not in a good way.

I did remember being quite the Lana/Adam shipper during this season though -- I thought he was really good for her, well at least before he went all psycho. He liked her, but it didn't mean he had to put up with her crap and pity parties. And Lana gave as good as she got, and was certainly a happier person around him.

That's really interesting what you've pointed out about the Kent family dysfunction, you'd never doubt their love for each other but yeah, they're still so messed up in their own ways. It kind of reminds me of Martha doing the same, she was hiding the spaceship key or something? I forgot.

And Clark had definitely been a very active participant on the show during the earlier seasons, he was front and center. And I still maintain that with Chloe knowing his secret, that kind of self dynamic just started to go off the rails and became worse with each season.
jeannev
Jul. 28th, 2008 01:38 pm (UTC)
I know S3 is very loved in the fandom, but I'm not sure its a favorite of mine. The truth is that the Luthor side of the show has never been as interesting to me as the Clark side. JG and MR are terrific, but frankly I found Lex & Lionel scenes tiresome after a while. So much repeatition to them.

I can't judge Lana/Adam, because I thought he came across as creepy so quickly. I also didn't like how the two of them quickly fell into Clark bashing. That instantly turned me off.

It kind of reminds me of Martha doing the same, she was hiding the spaceship key or something? I forgot.

Exactly! Its stuff like this that I always look at, and how can you not understand how Clark became so secretive, and why he really sees lying as a way of life? Its not done in malice, or in cruelty. Its done as survival, and as a way of protecting others. And where did he learn that? Mom and Dad.

Its funny, because I did so love Chloe finding out Clark's secret, and him having that friend and confidante he could really talk to. But now I can see why it might not have been the best thing for the character of Clark, ultimately. There's definitely good and bad. But you can clearly see in the earlier seasons that Clark having to keep his secret led to him being more self-sufficient.
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