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S3 is still in progress.  I think I've been going along at a pretty good clip.  But then again, the earlier seasons were a bit easier to get through.   Last night, I finished Hereafter, which puts me just past the halfway mark.  



A few observations along the way:

I HATE the episode Magnetic.  Just uber-hate it.  I think it might be one of my least favorite SV eps ever.

Even though S3 is generally considered a Lex-centric season, the truth is that his screentime is pretty much in-line (so far) with what it is in future seasons.  No dramatic difference.

Lana is very clearly in the 2nd position behind Clark in terms of screentime.  Without challenge.  And she's miles ahead of Lex and Chloe.

I think Whisper is a vastly underrated episode.  Clark is so bloody heroic in that episode.

Its rather shocking (and disheartening) to see how capable Clark was as an individual in the earlier seasons when it came to something he was investigating.  Several eps show him doing his own research on the computer, and he's more often then not the "Idea Guy".  While he does often work with Chloe, or get additional information from her, their method of partnering in these earlier seasons is not even remotely like what it is now.  Not even close.  And I've come to the conclusion that the change was not at all a positive for Clark individually.

You want parity?  Screentime for Clark in Shattered, 25m, 39s.  Screentime for Lex in Shattered, 25m, 38s.  It pretty much doesn't get more even then that.

Suprisingly, the Kents don't have a lot of screentime in S3, and yet they still feel like a very solid presence.

Pete is just completely underused.  Its horrible how they treated SJIII.

Eh, ya know, I hear a whole lot about this supposed sizzling chemistry between Lex and Chloe, but I just don't see it.  Lex knows Chloe is smart, and useful, but he always seems rather bored with her.  And on Chloe's part, even when she and Lex are working on the same side, she just never comes across as liking Lex very much as an individual.  While the actors are more then competent in their scenes together, and the scenes are good, I find the idea of romantic Chlex rather ludicrous because neither character seems the least bit inclined in that direction towards each other.

Unfortunately, watching S3 now, I can definitely see the early Lexana build.  And while I give them credit for the long build, I will always consider it a terrible choice, at least in the way they executed it. 

The Clana relationship can definitely give you a headache in S3.  I start the season feeling very badly for Lana, but then the back-and-forth with them gets very tiresome by mid-season.

Ian Somerholder has beautiful eyes, but I just think he's just weird looking.

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I kept meaning to participate in the 10 Happy Things meme that several of my flisters were doing, but I just couldn't seem to sit myself down and type 10 things I was really happy about.  And I just want to slap myself for that, because I'm well aware that I have a ton of things to be happy about in my life, and be grateful for.  But I have such a strong tendency to focus more on the negative, or the pragmatic, that I think I often forget to stop and smell the roses.  Not that I've ever been a happy, bouncey type of person.  I was probably the most taciturn cheerleader in high school you've ever seen ;)  Still, I should try harder to be happy.  I'll have to work on that.

Now, onto some highs and lows.

I got this fabulous Kooba handbag,  in beautiful cream-colored super-soft leather.  I absolutely love it.  But I had it a total of 3 days, when I took it shopping and found out that my coral-colored t-shirt has stained the bag.  AHHHHHH!!  So, does anyone have any tips on how to clean light-colored leather?  I'll have to look around also for a really good leather cleaner in my neighborhood, but I'm so nervous about taking it someplace and having them potentially ruin it totally.  *sigh*

So, that was a low, but this was a high....I bought 3 pairs of shoes yesterday.  One pair of white gladiator sandals (very cute), this gorgeous, trendy pair of black leather shoe boots with an open toe that look far more expensive then they truly were.  And last, and definitely not least, a pair of black patent leather t-straps with a very high skinny heel.  Oh yeah, and did I happen to mention that last pair are Christian Louboutins?  EEEEEE!!  Now, I'm not crazy, nor made of money, so I did get them on sale.  But I'm so ridiculously happy that I finally have a pair, and that they are a classic shoe that I will have for years.

Now, back to a low, I was hoping to go back to Vancouver this August for a little fun and R&R, but since I'm in the midst of home renovations, and the contractor has been less reliable then he promised he would be, it doesn't look like thats going to happen.  Maybe I'll be able to fit it into September, but I've never been to Vancouver in the summer, and I was really hoping to fit it in.  Ah well, maybe its a sign telling me to stop spending money.  

Now, back to a high, I got a new cellphone.  Its an LG Venus with a touchscreen.  I'm not usually excited by phones, but so far, I'm loving this one.  Its very sleek, and I adore the touchscreen.  

And back to a low, but just a silly SV low  

*WARNING:  SLIGHT SPOILER TALK AHEAD*

Lately, I've had this terrible feeling, based very much on the latest previews and spoilers for S8, that we're headed into a season that will be part OllieVille, and part ChloeVille.  I still find it too hard to believe that Oliver/JH will be on this show for half a season, and the writers will be able to restrain themselves from giving him their enthusiastic attention.  And we know what that means for Clark, because we've seen it before.  

Then we come to the ChloeVille part, and don't get me wrong, because I think Chloe accepting Jimmy's proposal, then in a triangle with him and DavisDoomsdayBloom (I don't know what to call this character) sounds like ass.  But it does sound to me like its going to become a major storyline of the season, and that Chloe is going to get generous amounts of screentime devoted to her story, and to being the center of her own triangle.  I suspect its partly how they enticed AM to re-sign for S8, since my guess is that she wouldn't be unhappy with this development, as an actress.  I do expect Clark to have some part in all this, but I think it will be mostly peripheral.  I'm thinking of his involvement in Lana/Jason as an example.  He's an issue, but not a major one, and the storyline will probably play out largely without him.  At least thats my guess.

And *sigh*, it just feels like more of the same that we got for the last 2 seasons.  Clark shoved to the side.  Not enough focus on Clark.  Storylines not truly being about Clark.  Because lets face facts here, Oliver's past, and his mysterious connection to Tess have NOTHING to do with Clark.  And Chloe being engaged and developing feelings for DavisDoomsdayBloom has NOTHING to do with Clark, at least not initially (you would think, eventually, it would need to involve him...but who knows?).

I mean, why is it so hard to do the last season of SV, and make it about Clark, and him taking those last few steps towards becoming Superman?  

Oh, and just sort of a dropped hint/rumor I read on another board (but I personally trust the source) seemed to hint that TW was unhappy with the direction that S7 was going to take, made those reservations known to AlMiles, and the dastardly duo did not take the criticism well.  I don't know folks, certainly makes a lot of sense to me.  But take it as gossip/rumor.

OK, thats it from Me-land.  :)




 

 

 

 

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canadabear
Jul. 13th, 2008 07:52 pm (UTC)
But it does sound to me like its going to become a major storyline of the season, and that Chloe is going to get generous amounts of screentime devoted to her story, and to being the center of her own triangle.

Considering both she and SW are scheduled to be at Comic Con, along with JH? I think the writing's clearly on the wall that Chloe/Doom is going to be a major story this season. Obviously, Clark is going ot have to get involved eventually - this is Doomsday, after all - but I certainly expect TPTB to keep them apart for the most of the season, since Clark-Doom is likely the series ending climax.

I do expect him to be more involved in the Ollie-Tess storyline, but since we've heard virtually next to nothing about Tess and what she'll be up to, it could definitely turn out to not be the case.

I will say that Odyssey sounds very Clark centric to me, so I'm happy with that, and then he takes a minor backseat in Plastique to start up the Chloom plot. I'll have to wait until we get information on episodes beyond that before I accept him keeping that backseat for most of the season.

I feel horrible that I cannot share your enthusiasm for shopping, but yay anyway! And hey, you ever want to make it up to Toronto instead, just let me know. :)
jeannev
Jul. 13th, 2008 08:32 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I have to admit that the Comic Con line-up further lowered my hopes for S8. Not that I expected Tom to be there, but that line-up in particular is Ugh!

Strange how little we've heard about Tess, but my guess is that they hastily rewrote her when JH was added to the cast to give her more interaction with him rather then Clark. Which, again, is Ugh!

I'm actually hoping that Clark doesn't take a backseat in Plastique. His first day at the DP shouldn't be a B story, and nor should he be in the backseat when you bring on a DC villian, even a minor one.

I used to go to Toronto all the time. I even dated a guy up there for a while. I love it there. I also love Montreal. But Vancouver has just won my heart lately. :)
bradygirl_12
Jul. 13th, 2008 08:08 pm (UTC)
I've given up on Smallville being what we want. I just watch for the pretties and out of curiosity to how far they can go to stretch the Superman mythos before it breaks. :)
jeannev
Jul. 13th, 2008 08:33 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I hear that. Really, I just watch for Tom, and his Clark. But I really have no clue why TPTB have so little interest in telling the story of young Superman, Clark Kent, when thats the whole premise of the show in the first place.
svgurl
Jul. 13th, 2008 08:39 pm (UTC)
Early seasons Clark was shown to be really smart. And I agree with you, he was perfectly capable to research on his own and I don't think the changes work in his favor either.

S3 was good ... wasn't that one which had the episode that had Clark telling Lana he wasn't the guy for her? What happened to that Clark? I liked him.

Ooh, shopping! That's always fun. I hope you get the stain out. I have a purse and shoe addiction! ;)

Lately, I've had this terrible feeling, based very much on the latest previews and spoilers for S8, that we're headed into a season that will be part OllieVille, and part ChloeVille.

*sighs* I really don't care about Oliver's history. Wasn't that the point of the whole Oliver Queen Chronicles in s6?

I just wanted some Clark/Oliver scenes to get some inspiration for fics. Is that so much to ask?

And I'm already bored of this Jimmy/Chloe/Doomsday triangle.

I guess there's only one thing left to do. *packs backs and books a plane ticket to Vancouver* :\

I'm hoping for lots of DP Clark! I know it's silly to be hopeful about this show nowadays but I try.
jeannev
Jul. 13th, 2008 08:55 pm (UTC)
I have no clue why they made later seasons Clark so helpless. Not that he doesn't still come across as smart and resourceful. Its just that this used to be the rule not the exception, and now its the reverse. And does it make any sense for this to be going in reverse? Not to me.

Shopping totally rocks! Unfortuntately it costs money :(

I could definitely be OK with friendshipp Clark/Ollie, working together and such coolness. But what does Ollie's past have to do with that? It seems so random.

Actually, if you want to kick some SV writer ass, you need to go to CA.

I have a lot of hopes for Clark. But for them to deliver, they're going to need to concentrate ON Clark. We'll see.
svgurl
Jul. 13th, 2008 09:14 pm (UTC)
He figures stuff out sometimes but it feels like, lately, Chloe's doing all the work for him. I hope they change it around next season.

Yeah, that's definitely hte downside.

It'd be nice for Ollie to buy the Planet and remove Clark's reason to not work there. He just needs a male buddy. I like Bart ... he always makes Clark smile. The past is useless ... anyone who really cared would've watched those dumb chronicles two years ago. And *this* is coming from a major Ollie fan.

Ooh, makes life easy then. I'm already there. ;)

It'd be nice if they concentrate on Clark. It is HIS show.

And I forgot to add last time that I wouldn't be surprised if Tom was upset with AlMiles and the direction of s7. Those two idiots though don't seem to care about Clark or Tom. Good riddance to them.

I like your icon btw! You always have pretty Clark ones!
jeannev
Jul. 13th, 2008 09:23 pm (UTC)
I think one of the mistakes they've made with the Chlark lately is that Chloe is involved in every aspect of his life, it seems. When previously, he kept a lot of his life seperate from her because she wasn't in the know. Also, Clark previously had other characters to discuss things with, i.e. his parents, Pete, so it didn't always have to be Chloe. As they lost all of that, everything sort of fell on Chloe.

I'm OK with Oliver buying the DP, but I'm not sure him hiring Clark due to their personal relationship is that good a thing. Also, it does sort of strand Tess as a character. Then again, we aren't hearing anything about her, so....

Thanks for the icon compliment. I had one from that photoshoot previously, but I wasn't thrilled with it. So, I worked with a different angle, and created this new one today. Glad you like it :) Thats one of my favorite Tom photoshoots. He just looks fierce and sexy!!
svgurl
Jul. 13th, 2008 10:00 pm (UTC)
Yeah, it takes away from Chloe's character too. Though I love him having someone to confide in, it's going a bit too far now. He needs to be a bit more independent from her.

I'd hope he wouldn't hire Clark just because they're friends. That's not how I want to see Clark make it there. I was just guessing because they've made Ollie more like Batman and Bruce does buy the Planet eventually. Since they're not bringing in Batman, I thought this would be nice. Maybe Perry can finally be E-i-C?

I don't really care for the Tess character. I really was dreading any on screen romance between her and Clark.

You're welcome. and OMG! Tux wearing Tom = &hearts But he did look super intense in that first one and that was hot. :D Then again, when isn't he? ;)
moonshayde
Jul. 13th, 2008 09:03 pm (UTC)
Watching the early seasons hurts sometimes. Clark was so capable *sigh* They really slammed down on him when they started to stall him.
svgurl
Jul. 13th, 2008 09:10 pm (UTC)
Seriously! Clark is a smart guy. Why Chloe has to do all the work for him, I don't know. It's why I prefer Lois & Clark ... with them, you can see they're *both* figuring stuff out.
jeannev
Jul. 13th, 2008 09:14 pm (UTC)
Well, not that its her fault, but I do think one of the reasons they dumbed Clark down a bit was to play up Chloe's role as "sidekick-in-the-know". But this is a pattern with this show. They play up other characters at the expense of Clark.
moonshayde
Jul. 13th, 2008 09:00 pm (UTC)
I'm holding out hope that the Ollie thing won't be huge, though I was the only one on my flist disappointed when I heard JH was joining the cast. Instead, I'm trying to focus on the fact it's going to be nice for Clark to have a guy friend again.

However, the Chloe stuff...I don't think I can be in denial over that one. She's the only other character I'm aware of that has a full season contract. That means the show is going to be mainly her and Clark. Chloe is going to have a ton of screentime this season as a result. Now, I love AM and she's fabulous in the role, but it makes me nervous just the same, especially since we've barely had any spoilers as to what Clark is actually going to be doing aside from working at the DP. I'm very very excited for that, but there has to be more to it. He's the main character, for cryin' out loud.
jeannev
Jul. 13th, 2008 09:19 pm (UTC)
We haven't heard much on the Ollie stuff, so its possible that they'll find a way to connect his story more with Clark's, and not in a bad way. I'm just going by what happened in S6, and that wasn't good for Clark.

I guess people who were clamouring for AM to be the acknowledged "leading lady" will get what they asked for. But I'm not sure its going to be what they really wanted. Previously, the leading lady was Lana, and to cement that status for her, they often brought in love interests for her. Adam, Jason, and then the whole Lexana storyline. They seem to be repeating that now with Chloe as "leading lady". However, the big difference is that I don't believe they have any desire to explore romantic Chlark, so they'll keep Clark out of it for the most part. But really, they are repeating their previous pattern for their "leading lady". I think one of the reasons Chloe got so much screentime previously with Clark is because they considered her a supporting character to his storyline. Now, she'll be anchoring her own. Be careful what you wish for...
acampbell
Jul. 13th, 2008 09:27 pm (UTC)
S3 & S5 both seem to be considered better now than they were thought to be when first they aired. I remember when "Exile" aired being devastated because Clark and Lex didn't get a scene together! Of course, in retrospect, they're both divine compared to what we've been given more recently.

I have no interest whatsoever in Ollie, and DEFINITELY no interest in his "past". Anything to avoid focusing on Clark, it seems.
jeannev
Jul. 13th, 2008 11:31 pm (UTC)
Well, I guess they, like many fans, seem to think Clark is the suck. Go figure.
jude_judith82
Jul. 13th, 2008 09:42 pm (UTC)
I'm still loving these. I find this very interesting.

uprisingly, the Kents don't have a lot of screentime in S3, and yet they still feel like a very solid presence.

I think in the past the writers might have used the casts screentime for good reason. Sometimes it feels as if the cast is their just to be there. It's as if they don't move the story line well in the past this wasn't so.

On a more shallow note.

Ian Somerholder has beautiful eyes, but I just think he's just weird looking.

LOL. I feel the same my sister loves him but I don't get it.
jeannev
Jul. 13th, 2008 11:32 pm (UTC)
This project has been an adventure, thats for sure.

I think I'm really getting to a point where I can tell an episode where everyones screentime is used wisely, and when it isn't.

And between IS's weird hair, and overly blushed cheeks, he just sort of freaks me out.

Edited at 2008-07-13 11:33 pm (UTC)
tasabian
Jul. 13th, 2008 10:42 pm (UTC)
You want parity? Screentime for Clark in Shattered, 25m, 39s. Screentime for Lex in Shattered, 25m, 38s. It pretty much doesn't get more even then that.
And episodes don't get better than that!

Nothing about S8 is drawing me in so far....of all the characters to put in a romantic triangle: Doomsday? He's more the "walk-straight-through-walls" type. I have no interest in the romantic travails of Jimmy. And I'm also worried that they will try and convey the presence of Lex without actually having MR...
jeannev
Jul. 13th, 2008 11:36 pm (UTC)
Its funny, when I finished the Shattered screentime, you were the first person I thought of. LOL

There are some elements of the premiere that interest me (scruffy Clark on a fishing boat!), and I liked the idea of the title of Odyssey meaning something more then it just being a cool title for the premiere. But on that score, I think my initial thought, which was "they never even read Homer's Odyssey" was probably closer to truth.

Don't you think maintaining Lex's presence somehow is preferable to just not including him in the story at all?
tasabian
Jul. 13th, 2008 11:50 pm (UTC)
Don't you think maintaining Lex's presence somehow is preferable to just not including him in the story at all?
Nope, because with Michael absent, it'll be too easy to flatten Lex out and remove the elements that make him interesting, ie he becomes a stock villain, instead of the conflicted anti-hero MR embodied so well.

scruffy Clark on a fishing boat
Adored by all the sailors!
jeannev
Jul. 14th, 2008 12:48 am (UTC)
I see what you're saying in regards to Lex. Its a hard call for me, because I don't want Lex to ever NOT be a factor in Clark's life. Its one of those things....one of many things...that can work great if written well, and be a disaster if not.

And LOL, you've just made Clark on a fishing boat Ho-Yaytastic. You have a gift woman. :)
kissme_myfool
Jul. 14th, 2008 12:32 am (UTC)
Season 3 is still one of the best for me as a Chloe fan though. Sure, looking back on it and re-watching may change things but I love that her story is about her career. She was so much her own person back then then she is now.

Also, I don't believe AM/Chloe is the female lead for s8 & I know none of my fellow Chloe fans think so either (those I personally talk with). She may have a full contract but until they name her a lead, she's still just a supporting character to Tom/Clark.

eta: i forgot to squee with you on Christian Louboutin! I am soooooooooo jealous.

Edited at 2008-07-14 12:33 am (UTC)
jeannev
Jul. 14th, 2008 12:53 am (UTC)
I can definitely understand why someone would see S3 are great for Chloe. She's very smart, very determined, very proactive. She comes across as whip-smart, and I agree with you, she was very much her own person. I think one of the things the show has lost with Chloe is that she's wonderfully flawed as a character.

I guess I'd have to ask, what would it take for you and Chloe fans to see her as the lead? She's the only person, aside from Tom, thats in 22 eps (that we know of). Sounds like she'll be at the center of her own romantic triangle. And while I think the other players aside from herself sort of suck, I doubt TPTB see it that way.

Whats the difference between "lead" and "supporting"?

And I'm very thrilled with my shoes. Now I just have to get over my fears of wearing them and something maybe happening to them. I treat my Prada boots like they're made of gold. LOL
kissme_myfool
Jul. 14th, 2008 03:29 am (UTC)
oh absolutely. I love all her mistakes (ugh minus Jimmy) and she wouldn't be Chloe without all those missteps. At least I can say she is still the only one that pays for her mistakes (i.e. hacking) and I like that.

Big question, no right answer for every single Chloe fan, but for me? I would say actual acknowledgment for PS3 that she is their female lead & from the CW itself. I don't see them doing that off the show (we have seen it on the show, if we are being honest) and neither do I see that happening with the CW. -edit, just cause this might get posted on sv ledger as meta- (but i'm sure you can see my original post in the email notifications ;))

I want a pair! I need to live out a fantasy with them! LOL (i'll leave out the exact fantasy)

Edited at 2008-07-14 03:44 am (UTC)
jeannev
Jul. 14th, 2008 03:51 am (UTC)
Well, I'd argue that Clark definitely suffers from his mistakes as well. But overall, I think SV is a weird show when it comes to following through with consequences. Its very random, and that probably comes from the short attention spans of TPTB.

I think you might get that from PS3, but I very much doubt you'll ever get that from the CW. For one thing, I don't think the CW cares enough about the show at this point to acknowledge any leading lady at all. Hell, they seem far more interested in JH then TW when we come right down to it. But I guess I'm really asking more from a storyline POV rather then an acknowledgement POV.

And yes, I saw your original post. I hope your sources are right ;) And I hopes its not just a repeat of the lame stuff we got last season.

Ah, a fantasy with the Louboutin's, eh? LOL Well, if any shoe is deserving of a fantasy, this would be them.
tariel22
Jul. 14th, 2008 04:21 am (UTC)
I'm curious, what do you hate about Magnetic? I hated the way Lana and her FOTW boyfriend made fun of Clark and tried to kill him, and Lana got off with community service because she "wasn't herself." But I liked seeing Lana in jail, however briefly, and I enjoyed watching her mop floors. *is petty* I haven't watched it in awhile, but I remember there was a conversation between Clark and Lana (in the loft?) at the end that pissed me off a lot.

I loved Whisper, too. Tom played Clark's vulnerability and his strength perfectly, I thought. And Clark did pretty much everything on his own. The only part I didn't like was the visual effect they used for the super hearing. I hated all the versions of that they tried until this season. I like the one they use now, with the bright light and the circling camera. No little animated eardrums for me, thank you very much!

Yay for all your fashion finds! Those names mean nothing to me, you know I'm backward on that front, but I can tell they're all something fabulous! LOL!

Maybe you're destined to go to Vancouver later because that's the day you're meant to run into Tom in Vancouver, in a restaurant or an elevator somewhere. It's the hand of fate. *nods*

You know I stay away from the speculation, but I will say this. If Chloe is busy with Jimmy and Doomie, maybe Clark will be more independent, and it will be a good thing for him. Maybe he'll be investigating Doomie on his own, because he's worried about Chloe's involvement with him. Maybe we'll see Clark moving towards being Superman as a more solitary journey. IDK, but I remain hopeful.

It's the last season, no more stalling, so maybe they'll finally get some of it right. Maybe Tom will make himself heard now that AlMiles are gone (good riddance) and help things move in the right direction. I'd really like to know how the new show runners see Tom, if they're the same as AlMiles were (I guess probably yes, but who knows?).

I understand completely why you're discouraged, and I am probably in denial for all intents and purposes, but I'm still excited about the possibilities. At least we know Tom won't disappoint us. And maybe we'll have news of Tom's plans after Smallville to tide us over during any rough spots. Anything could happen! Yeah, I'm hopelessly hopeful. :)

One thing that I do think about is how AM has repeatedly said that she is uncomfortable acting in love scenes, and I haven't found her to be particularly convincing in them (beyond those very brief hit-and-run Chlark kisses). I don't know if that's a lack of Chimmy chemistry, or her own reservations about those kinds of scenes. If she's in the middle of a romantic triangle story line all season, it will be interesting to see if she rises to the occasion (which she probably will), or if the romance seems awkward.

For some reason, I'm getting the feeling that Chloe will die at the end of S8, probably saving Clark somehow. I've never felt that way before, but I do now. I'm not sure why. I hope not, but that's my hunch.

Yikes, sorry this is so long!
jeannev
Jul. 14th, 2008 01:49 pm (UTC)
I can't actually blame Lana for Magnetic because really, she was under Seth's control, and when it comes to mind whammy eps, I figure you have to give everyone a pass, or no one. But yeah, I hate how Clark is belittled (which frankly, happens a lot, and often by Lana). I also hate Chloe in the beginning assuring Lana that Clark not dating her is "his loss". I hate the actor that plays Seth. I hate the fact that its another example of sexual molestation via mind whammy. I just hate it all. Sucky episode!

But Whisper is totally made of win. Really, the only scene that doesn't quite work is the Clana ending. But aside from that, its such a strong episode with great character moments for Clark, Lex, the Kents, Chloe and even Pete. I love that Clark didn't let blindness stop him from trying to rescue Pete. I love that Clark tells Lex what he overheard from Lionel (which ends up making a mess). I even love the Clark/Chloe fight, because it feels so real, and it was a terrible way for Clark to find out about the deal. And on the shallow end of the pool...Tom in glasses is drool-worthy!

I'm always afraid I might actually run into Tom in Vancouver, and embarass myself. So, I'm not sure I want it to happen. Then again, I was totally cool and calm when I ran into Jared, so who knows? Tom is a bit more of my fangurl obsession though :)

I'd really like to know how the new show runners see Tom, if they're the same as AlMiles were (I guess probably yes, but who knows?).

I'd like to know this too. I have some reason to believe they're a bit more respectful towards Tom then AlMiles, who apparently weren't at all, but we'll see...

I do agree with you that AM has seemed a little uncomfortable in the romantic stuff. But Sam Witwer is a talented actor, so maybe they'll spark off each other. I know I feel Chloom sounds a lot more interesting than Chimmy is, or could ever hope to be.

I hope Chloe doesn't die. I just can't see anything positive coming from that. But I do agree with you in that it seems like a possibility. But I'm hoping it doesn't go that way, and if she dies, I hope its not saving Clark. The last thing Clark needs is more soul-crushing guilt.

And what long? I love a good conversation. :)
tariel22
Jul. 14th, 2008 02:34 pm (UTC)
Well, of course you're right about giving everyone an equal pass for mind whammy episodes. Magnetic was a weird one for me, because I couldn't quite figure out how much of Lana's behavior was actually caused by Seth's power. It was all about her attraction to him, right? So she was willing to do anything for them to be together, and lashed out at anyone who stood in the way of that. But her meanness toward Clark seemed to go beyond his active interference. Or maybe it didn't. It was probably my anti-Clana bias talking. I hadn't put Magnetic in the same class as Hypnotic, but you're absolutely right. It's the same thing.

I don't want to see Chloe die, either. As a character, I think she deserves better than that, and I don't want to see Clark becoming Superman out of grief or vengeance. I want it to happen out of joy over what he can do to help mankind, and hope for the future of the world, but this show seems to be all about the pain in Clark's life, unfortunately.

And I don't think I've ever heard the Jared story! Do tell!
jeannev
Jul. 14th, 2008 04:50 pm (UTC)
Well, you're right, because Lana does say that she did want Clark to be jealous, and also she did go on about how Seth was honest with her. But thats just part of the reasons I hate the episode, because even though Lana is actually victimized in that episode, they wrote her horribly.

I think I've always been defensive about the mind whammy eps, or I should say the character IN the mind whammy eps, because some people love to crawl all over Clark's ass for them...as though the other characters haven't had equally negative experiances, or been violent during them. Pisses me off *grumbles*

But I'm not referring to you...of course ;)

I have the same fears about a Chloe's death. This show seems determined to make Clark the saddest, most broken Superman ever. Why? I have no clue.

So, yeah, I walked into my hotel in Vancouver, and I spotted this amazing dog in the lobby, standing behind his master who was at the front desk (with another dog standing by his side). Animal fanatic that I am, I was crouching down offering my hand to the dog to sniff, and he was a friendly mush of a dog, and it was love at first lick for me. And his master turns around, and its Jared Padalecki. This was his dog, Harley, a Japanese Mastiff. We chatted for a few minutes, joking about how Harley was a vicious attack dog and I should be careful. By this time, Harley, had sat his considerable weight on my feet and was leaning into me, being an absolute lovebug. So, it was funny. Jared was there with a male friend (who I think was staying at the hotel). Then we whistled for the pups, and they followed him, and he said good-bye. He was super nice. I never mentioned that I knew who he was, and he never seemed the least bit awkward.

And thats my Jared story. Oh, I wasn't alone, my sister and a friend were with me. He was equally nice to all.
tariel22
Jul. 14th, 2008 09:57 pm (UTC)
That is an absolutely lovely story, because it's so genuine, and has nothing to do with a fangirl squeeing over a celebrity. It's just two people sharing a moment, connecting because they both love animals. That's awesome. I imagine those little moments, where Jared gets to be a regular person, are just about as rare in his life as celebrity encounters are in ours. What a wonderful memory! Thanks for sharing it.
goodvibe
Jul. 14th, 2008 02:33 pm (UTC)
//So, does anyone have any tips on how to clean light-colored leather?//

I've not personally tried this but my mother seems to swear by it - lemon. A few squirts, and then just take a soft towel, or material and try gently removing the stain. But I'll repeat the disclaimer that I haven't tried it myself. ;-)

Shoe Talk! I'm in love with the gladiator sandal look, personally. I recently got myself a pair each in gold and silver. Very nice. Your Christian Louboutins sound to die for, btw. I'm liking the asymmetrical and atypical look in heels going on these days anyways. And good for you, for splashing out - and on sale, even better, heh!

Y'know, I think it's great that you're doing this screentime project. Aside from the fascinating results, it's quite interesting watching the series back in retrospect, isn't it? For me, I certainly found it so. I came at the show from different perspectives a second time round, for some reason.

I personally love S3. It may just be my overall favorite season. I thought the arcs worked well, The Clex was on, and as you mention, the screentimes did justice to the theme of the show, and the Kents and Chloe were all used well. Chloe, particularly. Lana somewhat got the short end of the stick, but still had some strong moments, in particular in the early half of the season. There are the downsides - Pete being spectacularly under/mis ised, for one. Clana, another, which I think just got too repetetive for me by the end of it all. But even so, there were some nice moments, looking back.

Re: Chlark, I think the major bone of contention is not that they work together, it's probably that for almost 3 seasons now, they ::only:: work with each other. Which is why it's now become almost refreshing when Clark works with MM, the League, Kara, or Lois. It's because the dynamic has become largely stunted where the status quo does no favors to the credibility of either character involved. In earlier seasons, Clark's interactions wrt the various aspects of his life were more evenly divided, b/w the characters of Pete, Chloe, his parents, Lana, Lex. It was realistic and more interesting for the viewer even, I feel. Post S5, this is the area that's really suffered, to a very large extent because Chloe has been made to represent several character's role - all in one.

As for the spoilers, unsurprisingly, I agree. Aside from a couple of spoilers at the most, I'm just not sensing any kind of focused storyline for Clark either. It very much seems to be following yet again, the pattern of unnecessary focus on too many extranneous aspects.

I'll try to remain cautiously optimistic though. It's the final season. I ::want:: to enjoy it. ::sighs::
jeannev
Jul. 14th, 2008 04:56 pm (UTC)
Lemon? Really? Hmm, I'll maybe try that (somewhere you can't see first, to be sure).

I've always resisted the gladiator sandal look, because some of them are too much, ya know? But I'd never seen a white patent leather pair before, and they are super cute and comfy. I think it was a good buy. I'm a very happy shoe person this week. :)

It is interesting to watch the series in retrospect. I've gone back and watched the eps before, but now that I'm doing this project, and after watching S7, I think my perspective is very different. Maybe a bit more jaded?

S3 is definitely solid. Its amazing to me how focused and cohesive it is compared to later seasons, which always seem all over the place. Seems in the earlier seasons, they didn't grow as bored with storylines in the blink of an eye, so they actually seemed to see them through.

I agree with you on the Chlark. I've said the same thing, they're just putting too many roles on Chloe. And Clark suffers for it, but so does Chloe. They've taken the fun and zip out of a friendship/partnership that I used to enjoy. Makes me angry :(

I want to love S8 too, but I want S8 to be about Clark, and do justice to Clark, and I'm just not sure the showrunners are capable of that. At all.
goodvibe
Jul. 15th, 2008 03:31 pm (UTC)
//I've always resisted the gladiator sandal look, because some of them are too much, ya know?//

Oh, definitely. The too-over-the-top ones don't do anything for me either, especially if they're not accessorized with a too busy outfit---then it can all get a bit much. But your patent white leather ones sound lovely. I'm quite pleased with my picks too, because they're quite subtle in design, but bold in color.

If you try the lemon thing, let me know how it went. Hope it works!
goodvibe
Jul. 15th, 2008 03:33 pm (UTC)
Guh---meant to say, "especially if ::they are:: accessorized with a too busy outfit---"

Can you tell I've been in interviews all day today? ;-)
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jeannev
Jul. 16th, 2008 04:30 pm (UTC)
Its absolutely ridiculous how happy shoes and handbags make me. LOL

I think the only significant thing that came out of Magnetic was that Lana was starting to show a desire to get into another relationship? Maybe. I'm not even sure thats true.

My feeling has always been that TPTB are so concerned with giving other characters decent material, that they neglect Clark, i.e. dumbing him down, not on purpose, but because he's just that low of their priorities. I think they love super hacker Chloe, and it provides a shortcut in their plotting. The consequence it has on Clark is not considered.

For me, when it comes to Chlex, I can't see romantic tension because neither character seems to see the other in those terms at all. I can't imagine either of them being interested.

I think if we put older shows under the microscope like we do today, they'd also suffer a bit. But I also believe they used to do shows with less external interference, so I think the storytelling may have been a bit better.
la_belle_isa
Jul. 15th, 2008 08:28 pm (UTC)
"Were tv shows of yesteryear better at story telling, character development, continuity, etc. ? Or were we not nearly as observant or critical back then?"
I think some shows,regardless of when they aired, like Star Trek Next Generation for instance,were way better written IMO. Their weakest episodes were better than a lot of Smallville episodes. STNG did a lot of research, which is always a sign of quality and they had someone in charge of keeping continuity. The show was studied in universities in leadership management courses. I love Smallville (less now than I used to) but tptb just don't care about those elements. Also, they think they're good in writing romance but they're not. STNG never ventured in romance, because it wasn't the purpose of the show.

Valerie, your project is always immensely interesting. It's so obvious that they dumbed Clark down when we watch the show backward. The dumbing down is used as a plot device IMO, like kryptonite, to stall Clark.

I read a blogger recently saying that Clark is boring to write for, because he's too perfect and that GA is so much more interesting. Arrgh. I wonder how Superman is still alive and kicking in the comic books after 70 years then. Oh right, they have talented and motivated writers.
jeannev
Jul. 16th, 2008 04:34 pm (UTC)
I do agree with you, it is stalling. But I also think its neglect. I don't think making Clark seem smart and competent is a priority for them, and thats crazy.

I don't think Clark should be boring to write for at all, and they've already made him far from perfect. If he's boring for these writers, maybe they should ask themselves where they went wrong, and fix it!
seacrystal
Jul. 29th, 2008 05:18 pm (UTC)
You want parity? Screentime for Clark in Shattered, 25m, 39s. Screentime for Lex in Shattered, 25m, 38s. It pretty much doesn't get more even then that.

The 1 sec difference makes me chuckle out loud. Shattered has always been one of SV's best episodes for me, and that's quite a neat little fact. :D
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