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After 6 seasons of Smallville, it seems like there are a number of issues fans will never quite agree on. Thats to be expected. But there also seems to be a few things fans are completely opposite on. I thought during the hiatus, it might be fun to throw a few of them out into the ether, and see what comes back...

-Season 1, Zero. So, who do you believe really killed Jude Royce?

-Season 2, Exodus. Do you believe that Clark should've been held responsible for Martha's miscarriage? Do you believe Martha's reaction to his homecoming in Phoenix was believable?

-Season 3, Covenant. Do you believe Clark overreacted, or underreacted to the secret room? Or was it just right?

-Season 5, Hidden. Should Clark have told his parents about Jor-El's trade off, saving his life at the expense of someone he loved?

-Season 6, Sneeze. Do you believe Oliver should've been held responsible for Lex's kidnapping and torture, and for the death of the PI Lex hired?

So, what'd ya think? :)

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morganichele
Jun. 16th, 2007 07:36 pm (UTC)
Season 1, 'Zero'. I genuinely thought that Amanda (pretty sure that was her name) was the one that had killed Jude. It could just be me being naive, I suppose; hmm. It made sense, with her later suicide, though.

Season 2, 'Exodus'. No, I don't think he should be held responsible, although I could understand why he FELT responsible. He really had no way of knowing that anything of that nature could have happened. And, he thought his parents were both safe at the wedding. I think Martha's reaction was pretty reasonable. She'd lost one child, and there was a possibility that she was going to lose another. I think relief and love outweighed anything else, and that's realistic (for the character of Martha Kent).

Season 3, 'Covenant'. I thought Clark reacted somewhat appropriatly to the secret room, when he discovered it. Staying angry for so long afterward didn't make sense to me, though. I mean, it's not like he's been Johnny Honesty (even if I do understand the reasoning behind his need to keep his secrets). He knows who Lex is; Lex has told him time and time again that he is a 'Luthor', and that he has a dark side. He knows that lying to Lex only makes him more curious.

Season 5, 'Hidden'. Yes. I thought that Clark absolutely should have told his parents about the trade off.

Season 6, 'Sneeze'. Hmm. This one is weirdly iffy for me. Yes and no. Yes, in that he shouldn't have kidnapped him and, certainly, he could have gotten the information he needed without resorting to torture. No, in that it's the same thing Lex would have done. :-/
As far as the PI, probably yes.

~Hmm. These were some interesting issues. Sorry if I overexpounded there. lol. :-)

jeannev
Jun. 16th, 2007 07:44 pm (UTC)
Oh gosh, no, expound away :) Thats why I posted them out there. I figured if people were interested, I would post a few every few days.

I think I always liked the idea of Lex being the one that pulled the trigger on Jude Royce. But I certainly think the show leaned most heavily towards Amanda.

Probably my biggest difference is that I think Clark was in the right about not telling his parents in Hidden. I've always felt that there wasn't really anything they could do about it. And laying that on someone basically just lets them know that a potential Sword of Damocles (which I hope I am spelling right) is hanging over their heads, which I think it no way to live.

Thanks for answering though...I hope people think this is an fun idea.

bagheera_san
Jun. 16th, 2007 07:39 pm (UTC)
Zero: I think Amanda did it.

Exodus: I'm pretty sure Jor-El could have saved the baby if he had wanted to, but he didn't care. Clark is responsible, though. I think Martha is capable of serious amounts of forgiveness, white-washing and denial, so I find her reaction believable, but I would have liked to see *some* strain in her relationship with Clark afterwards.

Covenant: Clark shouldn't have been so surprised, maybe, but his anger was understandable.

Hidden: Yes.

Sneeze: Also yes, at least to some degree. At best it was sloppy work, and at worst he willingly accepted that people would be harmed. He showed no remorse, either. I like Ollie, but his morals are a mess.
jeannev
Jun. 16th, 2007 07:48 pm (UTC)
Regarding Exodus, I always thought that Clark couldn't be held responsible directly for the miscarriage, though he certainly could be held responsible for any destruction caused on the farm. But he did deliberately choose a time when he thought the parentals were safely away.

I know AOT was very adament that Martha not blame Clark. It certainly would've been interesting if she had some residual bitterness.

With the obsession room in Covenant, I always try to imagine myself walking into a room of one of my best friends, and seeing giant pictures of myself hanging there. For me, the creep factor would be enormous, and probably not something I'd be likely to get over.
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jeannev
Jun. 17th, 2007 04:01 am (UTC)
I think, for me, the initial introduction always tainted my view of Oliver. And I was so hoping that Clark would find out that Oliver had a hand in all that, because it would've been interesting to see how Clark and Oliver worked that out.

Sometimes I think SV goes a bit too far in covering everyone in shades of gray.
tasabian
Jun. 17th, 2007 04:00 am (UTC)
Ooh, interesting.

Zero: All I can remember of this ep is the schmoopy Clex moments and Lex in bondage....I'm going to go with Amanda as the stabber because Lex does tend to attract psycho chicks.

Exodus: I think poor, frightened Clark was doing his best with the information he had and Martha (having had the summer to mourn the baby) was just happy to have her son back.

Covenant: An appropriate response to the CoCK would have been for Clark to kiss Lex breathless. *nods* (And since the audience had already seen the CoCK in "Visitor", it wasn't shocking for us. "Ooh, Lex got some new Clark posters!")

Hidden: Yes. That was too big a secret to bear alone. Stupid Jerelle.

Sneeze: Yes. This should have been the subject of one of Ollie's barn confessionals to Clark - how he was going to change his ways, post-"Rage".
jeannev
Jun. 17th, 2007 04:03 am (UTC)
Hee! You were distracted by the Clex ;) Well, come on now, who hasn't been on occasion.

It certainly would've been nice to see Oliver confront what happened in Sneeze, but it sort of joined the huge mound of things swept under the SV rug.
pep_singer
Jun. 17th, 2007 04:14 am (UTC)
Zero - I believe that Amanda killed Jude. Like someone else said, it fits in with her suicide.

Exodus -- No, not directly. I think Clark didn't think things through, but he really didn't mean to. As for Martha's reaction, yes, I feel it was realistic. I just think she was thrilled to have Clark back home, and she was ready to forgive and forget.

Covenant -- I think he underreacted. I would have been FURIOUS and OUTRAGED by what Lex did. Yeah, he was angry, but not to the extent that he should have been, IMHO.

Hidden -- What good does it do anyone to know the Grim Reaper is coming? I don't blame him for not telling them.

Sneeze -- Yes, I think he should have been held responsible. I thought that was a horrible introduction of a so-called "hero", and it completely tainted my view of the character.
jeannev
Jun. 17th, 2007 04:18 am (UTC)
One of these days Pep, you are really going to have to get out of my head. :)
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huzzlewhat
Jun. 20th, 2007 03:36 pm (UTC)
Season 1, Zero. So, who do you believe really killed Jude Royce?

Lex. The version in which Lex is the shooter is the only one that is pure flashback, a depiction of memory, rather than framed by Lex telling a story.

Season 2, Exodus. Do you believe that Clark should've been held responsible for Martha's miscarriage? Do you believe Martha's reaction to his homecoming in Phoenix was believable?

As another poster said, I don't think he should have been held responsible, but I do understand why he'd feel responsible for it. Given all that, I think Martha's reaction was spot-on. She'd lost one child, and she wanted the other back, and there was no blame in her at all.

-Season 3, Covenant. Do you believe Clark overreacted, or underreacted to the secret room? Or was it just right?

I'd like to say it was just about right, but given Clark's temper, I think it should have been even stronger.

-Season 5, Hidden. Should Clark have told his parents about Jor-El's trade off, saving his life at the expense of someone he loved?

No, I think he did the right thing. Telling them would have been selfish, imo; there was nothing they could do to change it, and it would only have served to shift his burden.

-Season 6, Sneeze. Do you believe Oliver should've been held responsible for Lex's kidnapping and torture, and for the death of the PI Lex hired?

Yes. Just as Lex should be held responsible for all the shady things that he's done. That was the point of Oliver's introduction to me, to serve as a reflection of Lex and to show the weakness of supposedly noble intentions as a justification when doing shady shit. Right down to the white suit of ambiguous morality.
jeannev
Jun. 20th, 2007 04:38 pm (UTC)
Ah, see, like you, I got the vibe that maybe, just maybe, Lex was the one that shot Jude Royce. Honestly, I still don't know if I've come to a conclusion. But if Lex *did* do it, it certainly does change his history a bit. Puts him in an entirely new context.

I was disappointed that they never revisited that whole event with Oliver, i.e. the kidnapping. Its actually a really important thing to gloss over, IMO.

Thanks for answering :)
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x_pixilated_x
Jun. 20th, 2007 04:57 pm (UTC)
Hi! I found this through sv_ledger and thought I'd give my opinion :)

Season 1 Zero - Amanda killed Jude.

Season 2 Exodus - I think Clark should be held responsible. I know he had no intention of hurting anyone but he made a conscious decision to destroy the ship and Martha got caught up in the explosion he caused. Though I don’t think he should be condemned for his decision because it really was an accident.

Season 3 Covenant - Just right, although I think they should have talked about it more in Season 4 to clear the air.

Season 5 Hidden - I'm mixed on this one.

Season 6 Sneeze - Oliver intentionally had Lex kidnapped for the sole purpose of torturing him. This makes Oliver just as bad as any criminal in my book.
jeannev
Jun. 20th, 2007 06:08 pm (UTC)
Hey cool, the more the merrier :)

It certainly would've been nice for the Clark Kent Room of Obsession to be more of an issue. It was definitely one of the reasons that the Clex friendship in S4 was very hard to buy. Sure, we had Devoted, and Clark seeing the empty room, but it didn't seem enough. :/
frelling_tralk
Jun. 20th, 2007 07:23 pm (UTC)
-Season 1, Zero. So, who do you believe really killed Jude Royce?

I assumed that Lex was telling the truth there, because that characterisation fit with Lex at the time, and the obsessive loyalty. Throughout season 1 we see it with Clark. "We have a future together", "This friendship will be the stuff of legend" etc. And the SV companion had the writers saying that they were all of the mind that it was too soon for Lex to kill anyone at that stage. So I always see Vortex as Lex's first kill.

-Season 2, Exodus. Do you believe that Clark should've been held responsible for Martha's miscarriage? Do you believe Martha's reaction to his homecoming in Phoenix was believable?

Nope, and I thought Martha's reaction was totally understandable. Especially as we had seen her struggling with Clark's loss in Exile, and she had already lost one baby. An overwhelmingly happy and relieved Martha is all I would have expected. On that at least, AOT and I agree *g*


-Season 3, Covenant. Do you believe Clark overreacted, or underreacted to the secret room? Or was it just right?

Hmm. I think he reacted understanably at the time. When the room was first revealed to the audience in Visitor, it was a chilling moment. In some ways it might have been better to have Clark and the audience discover the room at the same time, we'd all got a bit too used to it by the time of Covenant.

Where I think that Clark maybe overreacted is in his reaction afterwards. Or not overreacted, so much as appeared kind of inconsistent. He forgave Chloe in season 3, after finding out about the deal to look into his secrets for Lionel. Yelled at first, then was willing to talk about it when he saw how sorry Chloe was So I guess I would have expected Clark to freak out in Covenant, but be more willing to talk to Lex about it in Devoted. Instead he still seemed really mad during the locker room sequence, and unwilling to hear Lex out, which seemed a quite extreme reaction for Clark. He normally gets angry, then goes to the stage of being surprisingly willing to forgive what most of us wouldn't. He didn't really have that after the Covenant discovery, so I think that was an overreaction for Clark's character

-Season 5, Hidden. Should Clark have told his parents about Jor-El's trade off, saving his life at the expense of someone he loved?

I guess

-Season 6, Sneeze. Do you believe Oliver should've been held responsible for Lex's kidnapping and torture, and for the death of the PI Lex hired?

I think so, especially with the show pushing the idea of the end not justifying the means when it comes to Lex torturing the meteour freaks. I'm a big fan of Oliver, but he does do some pretty questionable things at times.
jeannev
Jun. 20th, 2007 08:43 pm (UTC)
I assumed that Lex was telling the truth there, because that characterisation fit with Lex at the time, and the obsessive loyalty.

I suspect that you've got it right on the head with Amanda being the shooter. As for Lex's obsessive loyalty, I'm of a different mind on that. I'm sure some of that is a sincere part of Lex, but I also think a lot of Lex's grand proclamations are a bit manipulative. He does make a lot of these grand pronouncements, but I'm always dubious as to the true point of them.

Where I think that Clark maybe overreacted is in his reaction afterwards. Or not overreacted, so much as appeared kind of inconsistent. He forgave Chloe in season 3, after finding out about the deal to look into his secrets for Lionel. Yelled at first, then was willing to talk about it when he saw how sorry Chloe was So I guess I would have expected Clark to freak out in Covenant, but be more willing to talk to Lex about it in Devoted. Instead he still seemed really mad during the locker room sequence, and unwilling to hear Lex out, which seemed a quite extreme reaction for Clark. He normally gets angry, then goes to the stage of being surprisingly willing to forgive what most of us wouldn't. He didn't really have that after the Covenant discovery, so I think that was an overreaction for Clark's character

I can understand why his reactions differed so much. I think he just feels more secure in general around Chloe, but with Lex there's always been this underlying tension. Not to mention his own father whispering constantly in his ear about Luthors being bad news. Still, I truly do believe that Clark wanted to get past it with Lex. I just don't believe he was able to (or that Lex was sincere actually), so it probably would've been better for them to let things be. Then again, I'm actually a fan of the Clex dysfunction in S4 LOL

Also, I think there's an additional disturbing element in the visual. Clark's hearing about Chloe's deal with Lionel, which already seemed acrimonious, as compared to walking into a room in Lex's house that has giant pictures of him suspended from the ceiling, and a model of the accident on the bridge running on a continuous loop. I can just see the latter hitting him so much harder then the former.
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norwich36
Jun. 20th, 2007 08:15 pm (UTC)
As I said in my comment to huzzlewhat above, I agree with a lot of the commenters: Amanda's suicide only makes sense to me if she's actually the one who killed Jude.

However, I suspect I have an unpopular opinion about Exodus: I do think Clark is responsible for the miscarriage. Sure, it was unintentional, and he didn't know what would happen, so he is less culpable, but what he did is analogous to someone playing with dangerous chemicals and causing a huge explosion that harms people. Legally, they would be responsible. Still, I think that Martha's reaction was in keeping with her character, and at the point that Clark returned she had basically lost 2 children, so I'm not surprised that she was happy to get one back.

My opinion on "Covenant" changes every season, I swear, depending on how I'm feeling about Lex and Clark at the time. Objectively, if I found someone was collecting me that way, I would have been *really* creeped out--and Clark does have a temper. On the other hand, if I were Lex and all these mysterious things kept happening to me, I might do something similar. And really, it's very hard for me not to give that room a slashy interpretation.

Clark did eventually tell his parents about Jor-El's warning/threat/ however you interpret it (I believe in "Solitude"), so the fact that he doesn't do so in "Hidden" doesn't bother me, because it's not like they could have really done anything about it.

And yes, I do think Ollie was partly responsible for Lex's kidnapping and torture (just as Lex was partly responsible for the actions of his own agents when they've gone rogue, like Hamilton and Nixon). "Held responsible" though--umm, in the fannish court of law, you mean? Because no one else knew about it, so it's not like he could have been prosecuted. And I agree with huzzlewhat above: Ollie was introduced as deliberately grey, kind of a mirror image of Lex. And really, that greyness continued the whole season; even if we admire his ends (shutting down level 33.1), the fact that he and the young JL are committing arson all over the place is more than a little troubling. And I say that as a big Ollie fan.
jeannev
Jun. 20th, 2007 09:05 pm (UTC)
Sure, it was unintentional, and he didn't know what would happen, so he is less culpable, but what he did is analogous to someone playing with dangerous chemicals and causing a huge explosion that harms people. Legally, they would be responsible.

I think there are some mitagating circumstances though. For one thing, Clark had no idea that there would be a huge explosion. I wouldn't dispute that he should have considered it, but, for all that he knew, the entire ship could just have dissolved from the kryptonite key. He really had no idea what to expect. Of course, under those circumstances, he should've grabbed the ship and went to a very isolated and abandoned place to do what he was planning to do.

I think I'm also influenced by the fact that I understand why he decided to do what he did. And I also believe that it was his ship, ultimately his decision as to what to do with it.

Honestly, I have a tendency to blame the whole thing on Jor-El. Did he really think a booming voice telling a 16 year old Clark to leave his home and family was going to be a good thing? Then throwing him to the ceiling and burning him when he refuses? It just makes it easier to understand Clark's panic, and dubious judgement considering the circumstances for me.

But I do fully support AOT's take on Clark's homecoming. I know she was absolutely determined that Martha not blame Clark. And that feels just right.

And really, that greyness continued the whole season; even if we admire his ends (shutting down level 33.1), the fact that he and the young JL are committing arson all over the place is more than a little troubling.

I think I was most disappointed that they didn't use this opportunity, and Ollie's greyness as a means to better illuminate Clark and what he believes in. They did touch on this, very briefly, in Arrow and Rage. But they also threw in a lot of lines with Ollie lecturing Clark, which seemed to suggest that they were portraying Ollie as being in the right. I think this might be one of the biggest reasons I wasn't a big fan of GreenArrowVille. Because they didn't really use it to its full potential in regards to Clark. And thats why Clark's character felt so far out of focus.



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canadabear
Jun. 22nd, 2007 06:16 pm (UTC)
Just found this via pep_singer and thought I'd add my two cents, if you don't mind. :)

Zero: I actually haven't seen this episode in a while and though I remember the basics of the storyline, I'm fuzzy on the details, so I can't say.

Exodus: There are so many extenuating circumstances. In a black and white sense, yes, Clark was responsible, but it's way too gray for that. I absolutely understand why he held himself responsible for it, though.

I thought Martha's reaction was perfectly understandable. As others have pointed out, she'd had time to grieve and at that point, she just wanted Clark home safely.

Covenant: I thought it was just right, even holding the grudge to the end of Devoted.

Hidden: Should he? Probably. But I'm not surprised he didn't and it didn't bother me that he didn't. There isn't much that could have been done aside from worry over it, and besides, it's in keeping with the Kents not initially telling each other everything anyway.

Sneeze: Oh, yes. It was Oliver who set it in motion, after all. Granted, it got out of hand and escalated into something Oliver hadn't wanted, but none of it would have happened had it not been for Oliver.
jeannev
Jun. 22nd, 2007 08:04 pm (UTC)
I don't mind at all. Thanks for contributing.

When I find the time, I definitely need to go back and watch Zero. Lots of food for thought in this thread.
gildinwen
Jun. 23rd, 2007 03:56 am (UTC)
hi!!! I came over from pep_singer. mind if i friend you?
Season 1, Zero. Umm really I'm not sure...what is the truth there, it could be that the flashback that doesn't have a story with Lex not telling a story, is the truth. i.e he killed Jude. However it could be Lex mentally kicking himself for not killing Jude, i know i tend to remeber things differently, to the way something happened. does that make sence?
-Season 2, Exodus- Again another grey area, because there's no way that Clark could have known that his parents would be coming home at that moment. Presumably he thought they'd be safe in the church? About Martha's reaction, yes it was belivable, she's already lost one child which she's has time to grive for, she can't lose another.
-Season 3, Covenant. Ummm Lex should have known how it would feel for Clark, bearing in mind Shimmer and all, so yeah i think Clark's anger (and grudge holding,) until devoted when the CoCK taken apart seemed beliveable to. He's not going to forgive the man until he thinks Lex has stopped
-Season 5, Hidden. I agree with you, what good would it have done?
-Season 6, Sneeze. Yes and Yes, i never liked Oliver anyway he was always a bit too self-rightous for me, with his 'shades of grey. No matter where you claim to stand on the moral scale, it don't mean if shit if you employ the same tactics as the supposed 'bad guy' Oliver
jeannev
Jun. 23rd, 2007 04:05 am (UTC)
Oh, absolutely friend me. I'll do the same.

I think my biggest issue with Oliver in regards to Sneeze was that we never got to see it dealt with on screen. I always thought it would be one of those things that would come up again, Clark would find out, and then he and Oliver could hash it out. But it sort of got swept under the rug, and it always colored my view of Oliver.
seacrystal
Dec. 30th, 2007 03:05 pm (UTC)
Season 1, Zero. So, who do you believe really killed Jude Royce?

I have to watch this again, I'm very fuzzy regarding this episode. Is this the one where Lex was held hostage by that guy who believed Lex was responsible for her sister's suicide?

-Season 2, Exodus. Do you believe that Clark should've been held responsible for Martha's miscarriage? Do you believe Martha's reaction to his homecoming in Phoenix was believable?

Absolutely not. I thought it was so horrible of Jonathan to actually blame him for the miscarriage. I definitely can understand running away to Metropolis, but definitely NOT with him purposely drugging himself up with RedK for three whole months and going on a crime rampage the whole time. IMO it's one of the most disgraceful things they've ever done to his character.

-Season 3, Covenant. Do you believe Clark overreacted, or underreacted to the secret room? Or was it just right?

I think it's just right. If there's anything that I've always disliked about Lex's character since the very beginning or any other character for that matter, is their feeling of self-entitlement to know about his secret just because he's their friend. They guilt trip him or emotionally blackmail him (eg "What kind of friend are you", "You're gonna be alone forever") and then have the nerve throw a hissy fit when he simply lied to their faces.

With that secret room, it's all the proof I need that Lex has viewed Clark as an obsession all along, not as a friend and frankly speaking, for me that's just flat out creepy. He can keep repeating that his Clark-obsessed days are over, but his actions show otherwise, most recently in Action.

-Season 5, Hidden. Should Clark have told his parents about Jor-El's trade off, saving his life at the expense of someone he loved?

IMO there's nothing that he could do about it, so I don't think it really matters either way.

-Season 6, Sneeze. Do you believe Oliver should've been held responsible for Lex's kidnapping and torture, and for the death of the PI Lex hired?

If you think about it, Oliver actually have a lot in common with people like Lana and Lionel when it comes to their actions and methods. The only difference is regarding their motivations.

For Lana, it's a mixture of both, personal revenge and protecting Clark although after Nemesis I really don't believe her justifications about protecting Clark anymore. For Lionel, it's to protect Clark and also due to his own ruthless side that he'd never be able to let go. For Oliver, it's to serve his crusade in helping others.

But yeah, I definitely believe that Oliver should have be held responsible for the kidnapping, torture and the death. He was so cavalier about the whole thing too, when his henchman told him that the other guy went rogue on Lex, he's just like, "We can't have that now, can we? Oh well, these things happen and I'm going to shoot an arrow on the DP globe now."

By the way I'm enjoying all the stuff you have here, you really have some very interesting points to discuss regarding the show. :) Keep it up!

jeannev
Dec. 30th, 2007 05:23 pm (UTC)
Very interesting responses. This is an old thread, but thanks for looking it up all the time. I had meant to do more of these, but I couldn't really think of new questions. Now you just may have sparked something in me ;)

Just to respond on one point, I do agree with you about the Red K ring, and the crime spree. I honestly do. But I also can't argue with just how very entertaining Exile was as an episode. I think that episode is so well done, its like watching a mini-movie. And I'm not sure I would ever want to trade that. But I also don't ignore the serious issues it raises. And as with a lot of things SV, it probably went too far to be handled the way it ended up being handled. I feel very much the same way with the recent Lana business.
seacrystal
Dec. 31st, 2007 07:28 am (UTC)
Very interesting responses. This is an old thread, but thanks for looking it up all the time. I had meant to do more of these, but I couldn't really think of new questions. Now you just may have sparked something in me ;)

Please do. :D Here are some questions that I've always wondered about regarding the show, although I might have missed something.

S2 - Do you think Dr. Swann is supposed to be viewed as a purely good character? After all, he did emotionally blackmail Clark into confessing the truth, and I've always perceived it as a betrayal (to an extent) on his part for telling other people about Clark's secret, even if Bridgette Crosby said he promised the secret would never leave the foundation.

When the ship healed Martha and made her able to bear children, do you think it's simply because it has actual healing properties or is it because in some twisted way, as a "thank-you" (for lack of a better phrase) from Jor-El to the Kents for raising Clark, in that "I'm gonna take away your son but don't worry, I'll give you another" morbid kind of reasoning?

S3 - Do you think Clark would've tried harder to save Lex from getting his brain fried hadn't Lionel shown him the tape of Lex at the asylum, telling him that he knew about his abilities?

S5 - Is there really any way that Lionel could have known the gun wasn't loaded in Mercy like Clark had implied? For me personally, he really couldn't have known and believed that he was ready to die to save Martha's life. Then again, is it because of Jor-El's influence or is it all him at that moment?

S6 - Do you think Lana could actually be the one who shot herself in Noir to frame Lex for murder, by using his own gun to do it? Fortunately for Lex, the gun wasn't registered so it can't be traced to him and since that failed, Lana went on to do another first-class setup job in Phantom.

Just to respond on one point, I do agree with you about the Red K ring, and the crime spree. I honestly do. But I also can't argue with just how very entertaining Exile was as an episode. I think that episode is so well done, its like watching a mini-movie. And I'm not sure I would ever want to trade that. But I also don't ignore the serious issues it raises. And as with a lot of things SV, it probably went too far to be handled the way it ended up being handled. I feel very much the same way with the recent Lana business.

Agreed. Smallville has great production values IMO, one of the major reasons why I'm hooked on the show is because of the sheer entertainment. That's the one thing I thought it has always been consistent with, but when to comes to the actual storylines, it's not really satisfactory although it does have a whole lot of potential.

This is one of the reasons why I think Smallville is such a beloved show and yet also the one that gets slammed about the most lol.
jeannev
Dec. 31st, 2007 05:43 pm (UTC)
S3 - Do you think Clark would've tried harder to save Lex from getting his brain fried hadn't Lionel shown him the tape of Lex at the asylum, telling him that he knew about his abilities?

Actually, this is mixing up 2 different episodes. In Asylum, Clark goes to save Lex from the brain frying. Its later on in that season, in Memoria that Lionel shows him the tape, and at that point he's already trying to prevent Lex from undergoing Dr Garner's memory recall process. I suppose the big question would be how much you think Clark was motivated by his fear of Lex recalling the truth about him, and how much he was motivated by his worry for Lex's health and safety, which is what he claims.

As for the other questions, I could post them in a main post, along with a few of my own. With credit, of course ;) Its that OK with you.
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seacrystal
Dec. 31st, 2007 07:45 am (UTC)
Also, what do you think of the show going to great lengths to imply that the Kents were the ones who would find Clark as a child, no matter what? IMO this isn't really controversial per se, but I do think it's absurd.

I can understand Jor-El feeling indebted to the Kent family and why he and Lara would people like them to raise their son, and locked on the coordinates for Clark's ship to land in Smallville but there's just NO way they'd be able to make sure Jonathan and Martha would be the ones who'd come across Clark in that particular field on that particular day. Heck they could've just stayed at home during the meteor shower because the truck broke down or something, instead of going to Nell's flower shop.

Not to mention that isn't the whole point of the story is how lucky it was for Clark to be found by the Kents, when he could have been very well found by people like Lionel instead?
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