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Sorry folks, but there might be a delay on the screentime totals for this episode.  If I find a minute to get them done tonight, I will, but I'm going on vacation tomorrow and I still have to pack.  I might have some limited net access while away, but not so that I could do my screentime stuff.  So, you may very well be getting a double dose of totals after Quest airs.

But I did want to share some thoughts on this weeks episode while they were still fresh in my mind

 
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I find myself in an odd spot after this episode.  I am neither on the side of those that are giving it rave reviews (K-Site is loving this ep), or the side that thought it was terrible (mostly Chloe/Chlark fans, and Clana fans).

This episode was a mixed bag for me.

I think when I try to put my finger on what bothered me about this episode, I'd have to point to 4 things:

           1.  Too much to cram into one episode.  Should've been a 2-parter
           2.  Why show the people in Clark's life happier, and safer, and alive, without him?  Especially when the episode didn't seem to have that really resonate with Clark?  
           3.  Shouldn't the Kryptonian stuff make a tiny bit of sense?  Just a skoosh?
           4.  The script was not as strong as it could've been

And on #2, I'm still really questioning this plot choice.  Shouldn't Clark have effected people positively on  an up-close and personal level?

I really do believe that this episode needed a lot more time to explore the implications of the AU, and what really happened to the people in Clark's life, and how Clark felt about that.  Without this sort of time for reflection, there just really didn't seem much point to the other Clark Kent, among other things. 

And that sounds like a lot of complaining for an episode that really was rather entertaining, fast-paced, exciting, well-acted, well-directed, and mostly a ton of fun.

Now, what worked about this episode?  Clark, Clark, and more CLARK.  Sure, there were a few cringe moments, like mentioning Lana as soon as he sees Brainiac.  But for the most part, I thought Clark came off wonderfully.  Even in that first scene, which could've been very bad, ended up playing better then I expected.  Clark wasn't so much mopey and feeling sorry for himself, as he was trying to make things right.  We know that he's being a bonehead about this, but I thought that the sentiment, and the way TW played it, made it a much stronger scene then I feared it would be.  Still, I really wish they would stop with having Chloe tell him what he should be doing.  But AM sure did play the heck out of that scene.  I loved her passion and desperation.

Once in the AU, I loved how smart, proactive and determined Clark was.  He was totally and completely convincing as the future Superman.  I liked all his interactions in the AU.  Clois was fun and flirty, Clark/Jimmy had an interesting vibe, Clark/Kara was awesome.  Even bringing back Sheriff Adams was fun.  

I also liked the choice to show Kara as having been rescued by the Luthors, and raised by them, and her interactions with Lex.  Might this have been the way things would've gone if Clark had been honest with Lex as a teenager?  Maybe.  I've always been of the opinion that things would've gone swimmingly for a while, but soon Clark and Lex would find themselves at odds, and then words like "betrayal" and "alien" would've started to get flung.  So, it was interesting to see that play out between Lex and Kara.

I actually found Clark's happiness for Chloe and Lana very sweet.  I think it showed just how much love he has for both of them that he just wants them to be safe and happy.  I wonder if this will have some effect on his relationships with them from here on out.  Will he believe that they'd be happier if he was less a factor in their lives in such a big way?  I'm not sure how he couldn't.  Then again, continuity isn't a SV strength, lord knows.  

I thought it was an interesting choice to have Lex and Lois both hit their iconic selves, regardless of Clark in the world or not.  I think that was a very deliberate choice.  You could even include Jimmy in that as well.  

All the Krypton stuff was very rushed to me.  And a bit confusing.  The Krypton scene was the only one that seemed to have directing flaws.  That may have been out of necessity, since obviously Brainiac did something to Kara that we didn't see, so Clark had to be busy gazing into his Baby!Clark's eyes.  But it felt awkward, and poorly staged.

But Baby!Clark!!  What a cutie-pie.  I need an icon of that baby pulling the blanket over his eyes.  I guess our Clark was always a bit of an ostrich. LOL

So, was I the only person that saw a bit of inappropriate cousin sexual chemistry there?  TW & LV could've been a hot twosome I suspect.  In another storyline, where they weren't cousins.

I did really love the last Clois scene.  Yes, there were some logic flaws in Clark doing research at the DP.  But he was doing research...by himself!  SQUEEE!  How hard is it to throw in a few of these scenes here and there to illustrate Clark's intelligence and competentcy?  Not hard at all SV writers.  So, DO IT!!!  I thought Lois was very sweet with him, and I liked that they called back to him being her shoulder to cry on in Siren.  I think having Lois in this sort of scene, rather then Chloe (who is usually the "buck up" gal) is a good choice.  Not for the anvils.  I'm not a 'shipper, so that doesn't motivate me at all.  No, the reason I thought it was good was because Lois doesn't know the whole story.  So, there are no conversations about destiny, or Jor-El, or Brainiac, or keys, or superpowers.  The scene becomes very simplified, because its just one friend trying to be there for another friend, and cheer them up.  Its just nice.  And I'm sure for Clark, it might have been nice to just put the enormity of his life to the side for a second, and just be.  Go have a beer.  Let Lois chatter away, while awkwardly trying to cheer him up.  It gives him a moment of respite.  Chloe can't really provide that because she is so much of the other side of his life. 

And I don't say this often, but I would've cut the Clex scene.  Not that the actors didn't do a great job with it (they did).  And not even because the subject was Lana - though not really.  No, I would've cut it because I'm not sure it really worked given where we left Clark and Lex off.  The scene in the mansion, with Clark telling Lex he knows he murdered Lionel and he has proof.  I'm not sure how you go from that, to what we got in Apocalypse. 

If AM comes back next season, maybe it would be nice if she really did meet her Metropolis PD cutie.  He'd definitely be a better match for her then Jimmy.  And I like the idea of Chloe and a cop.  Its kind of sexy! :)

Oh, and on a shallow note, everyone looked great.  Thats always important with SV, the land of The Pretty, and the home of The Sexy! :)

And I demand that Tom wear more suits in S8, and the glasses.  Dear lord in heaven, he looked perfect.  






 


 

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dawnybee
May. 2nd, 2008 05:57 pm (UTC)
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The scene in the mansion, with Clark telling Lex he knows he murdered Lionel and he has proof. I'm not sure how you go from that, to what we got in Apocalypse.

The only thing I could think of and I'm reaching is that it was just Lex's way of needling Clark, using the same line of non-questions and veiled insinuations that he used with Clark in "Descent". That Lex was hoping with Lana's life at stake that Clark would be willing to admit to his secrets.

Yes, there were some logic flaws in Clark doing research at the DP. But he was doing research...by himself!

And typing at a snails pace. Which made me smile.

And I demand that Tom wear more suits in S8, and the glasses. Dear lord in heaven, he looked perfect.

In the suit alone he looked wonderful, then when he added the glasses he looked perfect! How does he manage that?
jeannev
May. 2nd, 2008 11:55 pm (UTC)
I fixed the cut. I'm such a big dork!

AM said that when you see Tom typing on a keyboard, he types his name over and over again. Isn't that darling? He's such a guy!
canadabear
May. 2nd, 2008 06:38 pm (UTC)
I also liked the choice to show Kara as having been rescued by the Luthors, and raised by them, and her interactions with Lex. Might this have been the way things would've gone if Clark had been honest with Lex as a teenager?

Honestly, I don't think so. It's still two very different scenarios. Lex was a brother to Kara, but he was a little brother; he was nine when they met, and she was 19. That's not the same as Clark, at 15 or 16, confessing to an adult Lex. A nine year old is more likely to think the alien girl is fun and cool to have as a big sister than view her as a potential threat, really. Someone in their early 20s is a different story and no matter how they may say nothing's changed and they'll still be friends, I think there would always be a seed of doubt in Lex's mind about Clark immediately, much like he still developed one about Kara regardless of them spending 20 years together.

So, was I the only person that saw a bit of inappropriate cousin sexual chemistry there?

Nope. I saw it, too. I thought Clark even saw it from Kara. I was actually wondering if this wasn't already Kariac starting to mess with Clark's mind a little, but with the ending I'm not so sure.
jeannev
May. 2nd, 2008 11:56 pm (UTC)
Good point about the differences in Lex/Kara, as opposed to Lex/Clark. But I still can't help thinking that this episode gave us a big hint that Clark being honest with Lex probably wouldn't have ended well after all.

I'm not sure what was going on with that Kara/Clark scene. It was just odd. I guess we'll see.
porcey
May. 2nd, 2008 07:54 pm (UTC)
**heart** the glasses!!! OMG

Where are you going on vacation, lucky girl??
jeannev
May. 2nd, 2008 11:57 pm (UTC)
Vegas Baby!! I need a vacation!
porcey
May. 5th, 2008 03:49 pm (UTC)
Vegas, yeah! Don't you go and get yourself hitched while you're out there haha!



And to ditto svgurl - he is SO adorable with kids. I wonder if any mini-Toms are on the way??

svgurl
May. 2nd, 2008 09:41 pm (UTC)
I actually found Clark's happiness for Chloe and Lana very sweet. I think it showed just how much love he has for both of them that he just wants them to be safe and happy.

I was loving Clark. I mean, I thought he was adorable. How genuine he was when he wanted for their happiness. You can call him a lot of things but you can't fault his heart. Tom was great in those scenes. I vote he should always direct. *nods*

I did really love the last Clois scene. Yes, there were some logic flaws in Clark doing research at the DP. But he was doing research...by himself!

I KNOW! I was so excited. Him NOT relying on Chloe and working on his own is what I want to see. And Lois was adorable. She is the type of friend that Clark can use in his life. Plus, bonus that she looked really pretty in that blue shirt. :)

But Baby!Clark!! What a cutie-pie.

HE WAS! And Tom is just so great with kids. He will make a wonderful father. I am convinced. :D

And I don't say this often, but I would've cut the Clex scene.

Mmm ... yeah, I mean, what was Lex thinking? I really found it pointless. "Tell me your secrets" "I don't have any"- There you have it.

I honestly believe that Clark was smarter in keeping his secrets and this episode proved it. Lex would've used it again him later in life if he didn't give him his 100% devotion 100% of the time. :\

It could've been a two parter and some of it did feel a bit crammed but I really liked it! Like you said, everyone looked really good and they acted well too! The Cloiser in me was happy. :D
jeannev
May. 3rd, 2008 12:00 am (UTC)
Him NOT relying on Chloe and working on his own is what I want to see.

Me too, which is NOT to say that I don't think he should ever work with Chloe, or not continue to share things with her, etc. I just want them to show Clark as being able to get things accomplished on his own. I think it will do a lot of good for his character, and I don't think it has to diminish Chloe at all.

Mmm ... yeah, I mean, what was Lex thinking? I really found it pointless. "Tell me your secrets" "I don't have any"- There you have it.

Exactly. Now, if Lex had come to the loft to continue the conversation they had in Descent, and tried to convince Clark he didn't kill Lionel, or try and find out what type of proof Clark said he had, and why he hadn't used it if he had it....thats a scene I would've gotten. But this just didn't work for me.

I'm glad you enjoyed it :)
jude_judith82
May. 2nd, 2008 11:27 pm (UTC)
As much as I enjoyed the episode the four points you made are valid. My main issue was with you first one.

1. Too much to cram into one episode. Should've been a 2-parter

I've seen some people excuse it like maybe it was b/c of the writer's strike but I'm like well they could have totally broken it up and skipped Sleeper it would have made me happy ;-)

But for the most part, I thought Clark came off wonderfully. Even in that first scene, which could've been very bad, ended up playing better then I expected. Clark wasn't so much mopey and feeling sorry for himself, as he was trying to make things right

I was so happy about that. This could have been so bad. Clark complaining yet again but like you said it played better than expected.

Still, I really wish they would stop with having Chloe tell him what he should be doing. But AM sure did play the heck out of that scene. I loved her passion and desperation.

It didn't bother me too much this time b/c ultimately it wasn't Chloe's pet talk that got him out there. Even with Jor-El's smack to the head it was his decision.

I actually found Clark's happiness for Chloe and Lana very sweet.

Clark actually smiled. He grinned. I melted.

And I demand that Tom wear more suits in S8, and the glasses. Dear lord in heaven, he looked perfect.

Heh I think you know I second this.
jeannev
May. 3rd, 2008 12:03 am (UTC)
I've seen some people excuse it like maybe it was b/c of the writer's strike but I'm like well they could have totally broken it up and skipped Sleeper it would have made me happy

Exactly. Sleeper was such a waste of time.

It reminds me of S5. I remember thinking that Reckoning should've been a 2-parter, and they really didn't need to waste the prior 2 weeks with Fanatic and Lockdown. They could've taken elements out of those 2 eps, and smooshed it into 1 ep, then made Reckoning a 2-parter. I understand why they can't do that all the time, but sometimes its merited. Like for a 100th ep, or a 150th ep.
jude_judith82
May. 3rd, 2008 12:08 am (UTC)
Take Two
Very true. I can honestly say even though I really enjoyed the fifth season. I haven't seen Fanatic or Lockdown again. I think what happens is b/c they are such big episode number wise they want to make the episodes big so they try to cram as much as possible so they seem epic and though I enjoy both Reckoning and Apocalypse they definitely could have broken them up.

Edited at 2008-05-03 12:11 am (UTC)
miss_tress
May. 3rd, 2008 12:35 am (UTC)
But Baby!Clark!! What a cutie-pie.

I love that all baby and small versions of Clark are just as adorable and perfect as the adult version!
redteekal
May. 3rd, 2008 01:07 am (UTC)
Just a quick comment because I haven't read all your comments and I don't know if this has been said. I did like the episode very much (far more than Sleeper) but like you I did have this sense of trying to cram too much in. The examination of a Clark-less world should have been far more in-depth as his presence in SV and the world has far more ramifications than what was shown. Ok what they showed was totally world changing (a nuclear-happy Lex)but for all those other relationships to be so picture-perfect? I don't buy that. Off to view again - because there was soo much to take in.
wrighty555
May. 4th, 2008 03:08 am (UTC)
See, I do buy it. Neither Chloe or Lana would have been hung up on the tall hunky farmboy. Their lives would have naturally gone into a different direction. But, in the end he came away with the right conclusion. He is needed, and he now knows it.
tariel22
May. 4th, 2008 09:24 am (UTC)
You make very valid points, as always, but I'm afraid I was so giddy with what I loved about this episode that I couldn't muster a word of critical analysis. *facepalm* I was all, OMG! Tom in almost every scene! Tom directing! Great performances all around! The Pretty! Squeeee! LOL!

I think the AU showed all the people in Clark's life so happy because it was an AU of Jor-El's making. He wanted to reinforce Clark's idea that his presence in their lives was a bad thing, so he would distance himself from them more when he got back to the real world, and so that he would form fewer personal attachments in the future. Jor-El has always seen Clark's relationships as a disastrous weakness for him, I think.

We agreed on so much that we liked in this one! I don't know why that makes me so happy, but it does. Share the squee! LOL! We even used a lot of the same words. When you get a minute, go read my review. It's almost uncanny. But in short, I loved Clark, especially in the AU, and I enjoyed all the Lois and Clark interaction in the episode. And Baby!Clark with the blanket over his eyes? *dies*

One moment I especially loved was when Lex said, "Look at me!" to Kara. It felt like a MR ad-lib that Tom decided to keep, but who knows? I thought it was perfect.

My take on the Clex loft scene was that it was Lex's answer to the challenge Clark threw down at Lionel's funeral. You show up at my closed funeral for my father? Fine, I'm meddling in your girlfriend's medical care, and showing up unannounced in your precious loft. Male posturing to a certain extent. Plus, I think Lex was making a point about how Clark feels about Lana. Either Lana's condition is the key to Clark's secrets, and Lex wins, or it isn't, and Lex proves that Clark doesn't love Lana as much as he says he does. Or at least that he loves keeping his secrets more. I was just glad to get one more scene with Lex in the loft before MR leaves the show, and I thought it was quite fitting as a final confrontation on Clark's home turf. Look at how Tom's throat is working as Lex walks away. The man just blows me away with those subtle nuances.

And I agree, the suit and the glasses were indeed perfect. *swoons*

Have a wonderful vacation!!
goodvibe
May. 4th, 2008 08:24 pm (UTC)
//Shouldn't Clark have effected people positively on an up-close and personal level?//

I had a problem with the general premise as well, and in fact Chloe and Lana, and the Kent' lives in the AU were just re-inforcing the whole "would've been better off without Clark" vibe I was dreading, but I think, beyond the surface, especially when it came to Lex and Lois, and moreover the larger picture - it was more than proven that in the grand scheme of things, the world most definitely needs a Clark Kent. I've spoken more about this in my own lj, but I thought ultimately, the AU was pulled off reasonably well. I was expecting a bit of a Clark bashing fest from the writers as soon as I heard him utter "maybe the wotrld would have been better off without me" but I was so pleased with how Supes like his subsequent portrayal was.


//And that sounds like a lot of complaining for an episode that really was rather entertaining, fast-paced, exciting, well-acted, well-directed, and mostly a ton of fun.//

I think this is the clincher for me. I definitely agree with your call for there needing to have been more of an exploration of certain aspects in the AU, but on the whole it was such an enjoyable ep, and moreover Clark was written so well, that I let it pass.


//Now, what worked about this episode? Clark, Clark, and more CLARK.//

Absofuckinlutely! I'm really interested to see what you come up with in the screen totals because after a long time, it really felt like this was a Clark episode, and there was lots of him in it. Again, I've rambled on more about it in my lj (I have gushed quite a bit - heh) but Clark was so in Supes mode, throughout. His reactions at Lana, Chloe and his parents were just the completely endearing and selfless CK we love, whilst the rest of it was full on Supes mode. I really, really liked him telling Kara towards the end about how they can "affect the future." I want this Clark, every week, writers, you hear? No more clunkers, please!


//I thought it was an interesting choice to have Lex and Lois both hit their iconic selves, regardless of Clark in the world or not. I think that was a very deliberate choice. You could even include Jimmy in that as well.//

Definitely. I thought it was a very fitting choice on the part of the writers to so explicitly portray this.


//But Baby!Clark!! What a cutie-pie. I need an icon of that baby pulling the blanket over his eyes. I guess our Clark was always a bit of an ostrich. LOL//

Oh, I know!


//I did really love the last Clois scene.//

I liked the simplicity of it. Just two friends hanging out, going for a beer. It's a refreshing change of pace, especially for this show. Sans any kind of heavy drama, or anything, just an acknowledgment of friendship conveyed as uncomplicatedly as possible.


//Oh, and on a shallow note, everyone looked great.//

Oh yes. :-) The suit and glasses combo in particular was just divine.
ladybugkay
May. 4th, 2008 11:57 pm (UTC)
I do agree with the problems you had with this episode. There would have been more serious and doubtless darker consequences to Clark not being on earth, but to be honest, the reason I was so thrilled about this episode was because I had given up all hope of expecting anything good or even decent in terms of quality from this show. So I had very low expectations. LOL

My favourite parts were actually the Clark/Lois interactions, not necessarily because of the 'shippiness, but because Lois was who she should be, and their interactions were perfect, and suddenly it felt like SV could actually be a decent show and I was reminded how much I liked the Superman myth. For me, it was all about the potential of the show and revitalizing my interest in SV canon Superman and what the future would be like. I still say they need the jump the show ahead 5 years and start with a new format.
beef_wonder3
May. 6th, 2008 11:10 am (UTC)
I too was very glad that Clark actually had screentime this ep, too.
I liked the ep and there was even more than one continuity reference, shocking, I know.

"But Baby!Clark!! What a cutie-pie."
omg, I know! Wasn't he just gorgeous!

"So, was I the only person that saw a bit of inappropriate cousin sexual chemistry there?"
Heh, That reminds me of the scene in 'Kara' where Clark realizes that they're cousins and he takes the slightest step back, almost guiltily, lol.
seacrystal
May. 13th, 2008 12:56 pm (UTC)
Hehe, I share all your gushings over Clark in this episode. It's just so thrilling to see him here, and in addition to the episode itself being genuinely entertaining -- it's the best of both worlds and shows just how much potential and just how far Smallville can go.

No, the reason I thought it was good was because Lois doesn't know the whole story.

A very spot-on observation. I think this is what Clark himself means when he told Lois in Oracle two years back, sometimes he feels like she doesn't know him and sometimes she knows him better than anyone else.

I've always been of the opinion that things would've gone swimmingly for a while, but soon Clark and Lex would find themselves at odds, and then words like "betrayal" and "alien" would've started to get flung. So, it was interesting to see that play out between Lex and Kara.

Exactly. It's just crazy when Lex says all this stuff about family and loyalty and how easily he pulled the trigger on her at the same time.

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