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Veritas Screentime Totals and Thoughts







 Screentime totals for Veritas, running time : 39m, 1s

Clark - 13m, 30s
Lex - 3m, 29s
Lana - 5m, 6s
Chloe - 4m, 29s
Lois - 5m, 47s
Kara - 10m, 8s
Jimmy - 5m, 36s
Lionel - 10m, 51s

Alexander - 5m, 12s *



Season to Date (# of eps)

Clark - 246m, 8s (15)
Lex - 111m, 35s (15)
Lana - 105m, 49s (15)
Chloe - 124m, 14s (15)
Lois - 77m, 53s (9)
Kara - 112m, 18s (10)
Jimmy - 45m, 2s (6)
Lionel - 63m, 3s (11)

Alexander - 12m, 20s (2)*

*These totals will be added to Lex's overall screentime total for S7


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OK, here's the thing.  I don't feel like talking about this episode.  And why?  Because it fucking DEPRESSED me!  No, not because poor Lana was hurt, and people were sobbing over her.  Yes, that was sad, but that isn't what made me sad.  No, what makes me sad is that I don't understand when or why SV became such a dark, depressing, joyless, painful show.  I don't understand why Clark has to have misery and guilt opressively weighing him down to such a degree that its not only hard to visualize him going off to become a superhero who will be a beacon of hope and peace...its hard to visualize him not having an emotional breakdown, and deciding to pack up Shelby and move to the woods to become a mountain man with a 3 foot beard.  

And here's the other thing...I honestly believe that this show is saying that everything is Clark's fault.  Or, at least they are saying "Well, it wasn't exactly his fault, but he's still sort of to blame anyway".  With Lana, with Lex, with Jor-El, with Brainiac, and so on and so forth.  I mean, all one needs to do is listen to the song droning on in the last scene of the episode "I was wrong...I was wrong"  Jesus Christ, what the hell has Clark been so damned wrong about?  It's almost as if he steps his foot out the door in the morning, in some way, he's done something wrong.  I'm so tired of.

My prediction for the next episode, Clark will talk about how wrong he was for not listening to Lionel.  Even though thats the perfectly sensible, sane thing to do.  And my other prediction, the show will sorta, kinda hint that he was wrong.  Because thats how this show rolls.

*Phew!*  OK, it helped to get that off my chest.

Anyway, in other news, Lex finally has a loyal minion, and she's smart and pretty, and completely gone for him.  Its nice to see.  She may not be Mercy, but she'll do for now.  I also like how cold, efficient and calculating Lex has become.  Thank God the woobie is gone.  I will not miss him.

There was an awful lot of Kara in this episode, and I just don't know that I believe that she's worked up enough interest from the viewers to merit the kind of time and attention we've had devoted to her.  I don't mind her, and LV and TW have lovely chemistry with each other.  But her presence irks me still.  The flying lesson scene was cute...except it didn't belong in this episode.  And really, it should never belong in this series.  In what freak world should a young Superman need to learn to fly from Supergirl?  In no world, IMO.  But if I can just appreciate that scene for the actors, its cute.  

I was also fine with the Lois and Jimmy scenes.  But again, it just felt like it didn't quite mesh with the rest of this episode.  Sure, Lois and Jimmy are characters that can bring a bit of humor to an overwise dark, overwrought canvas.  But at the same time, it creates a feeling of incongruity within the episode.  I'm not sure why the SV writers are so limited talent-wise that they can't manage a better blend.

And personally, I thought ED was trying to bring something a bit extra to those scenes.  To give them more weight and gravity.  I think it was a valient effort.  I don't think AA managed quite as well.  And in fact, Jimmy is just starting to make my balls itch.  Well, I don't actually have balls...but if I did, he'd make them itch.  And why is he staring at Lois' boobs?  Creep!

JM is awesome as Brainiac, but I also don't have the energy to say more then that.

JG was great, if the slightest bit hammy.  But that's OK, Lionel is a scenery chewing sort of character.  I did want to slap him off the back of the head when he seemed unable to string together a coherent sentence in that scene at Isis with Clark.  Which BTW,  was my favorite scene of the episode.  Damn, JG and TW are so good together.

And I think I'll end on Lana.  I'm not going to go on and on about how much I hate this particular plot device.  I think its covered in my initial rant.  And really, I don't understand why they've made the Clana so non-existent that they seem like nothing more then roomies that occasionally bump into each other in the kitchen...then turn around and throw in some terrible, sad scene of tragically parted lovers.  Wouldn't that have been so much more effective if, say, we actually saw Clana show any sort of couple-y love in the last 5 episodes?  Is it just me?  And this whole thing just feels like a way to keep Clark shackled to Lana while KK is off filming her movie.  And personally, I think that sucks.  

But whatever, I don't want to rant about that.  What I do want to say is if they decided to go this route, did they have to be so unbelievably gruesome with it?  Why?  Its not enough to leave her in a catatonic state?  No, lets have her burn the skin off her hand!   And then, lets have Brainiac say she's in excrutiating pain, and she's aware but unable to do anything about it.  How freaking sadistic is that?  Is it because they wanted to heap more guilt on Clark?  Or they thought this would make Lana more tragic?  Or are they angry at KK for wanting off the show?  In any case, AlMiles and their flying monkies are twisted fucks.

And maybe its just me, and yes, I realize she's fictional and all that, but I really wonder about people that find this whole Lana thing awesome, and are gleeful because "the bitch is suffering".  Thats just twisted.  I may not like Lana, but I'll never understand the pathological sadism shown by some fans when it comes to her.  Or any of the characters actually. 



 

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jude_judith82
Mar. 29th, 2008 03:57 am (UTC)
I still haven't posted yet but I have my post half written and I have this exact same sentence in it LOL
Lex finally has a loyal minion

honestly believe that this show is saying that everything is Clark's fault.

Maybe I have a big capacity for denial but I didn't get that vibe. I know what he said but I gave him a pass. When Chloe told him to get over the guilt I thought maybe that was a small way to tell him to move on. I just don't think anything is Clark's fault and I'll refute that to any one but I agree the episode depressed me I'm just glad there are more eppys b/c if that was the last one I would have been sad all summer.

And maybe its just me, and yes, I realize she's fictional and all that, but I really wonder about people that find this whole Lana thing awesome, and are gleeful because "the bitch is suffering". Thats just twisted. I may not like Lana, but I'll never understand the pathological sadism shown by some fans when it comes to her. Or any of the characters actually.

Frankly that's disgusting. I may not like her character in fact she's probably my least favorite but seriously what type of human being even thinks something like this even about a fake character. So sad. I mean come on sure she's done some shady things but no one deserves that type of suffering and by proxy it's making Clark suffer. I'm not a happy camper.

jeannev
Mar. 29th, 2008 04:35 pm (UTC)
Oh, don't get me wrong. I don't think everything is Clark's fault either. I'm just not sure if thats what I'm supposed to believe from what the show is telling me. Its sort of hard to ignore the symbolism of "I was wrong...I was wrong" being sung in the background. And God knows the show blames him for every single thing when it comes to Lana.

Makes me mad!
jude_judith82
Mar. 29th, 2008 05:06 pm (UTC)
Oh no I don't think that at all. I just think unfortunately dude has a huge guilt complex.

And God knows the show blames him for every single thing when it comes to Lana.

Well I can't argue with that at all. It's one of the main things that gets me angry about the show but I don't care as long as Welling keeps bringing it every week I'll be there. And I love the icons Tom with the Red Sox cap is made of win!
pep_singer
Mar. 29th, 2008 04:24 am (UTC)
//And maybe its just me, and yes, I realize she's fictional and all that, but I really wonder about people that find this whole Lana thing awesome, and are gleeful because "the bitch is suffering". Thats just twisted. I may not like Lana, but I'll never understand the pathological sadism shown by some fans when it comes to her. Or any of the characters actually. //

I am so glad you said this. Cause really? I may not particularly care for Lana, but this whole attitude that "the bitch deserved" is really making me mad. No one deserves that.

//No, what makes me sad is that I don't understand when or why SV became such a dark, depressing, joyless, painful show. //

Seriously! See, to them, I suppose they think drama is dark, depressing, joyless, and painful. However, you *have to* have some comedic moments to balance all of this stuff out. They tried in this episode, and it just fell flat on its face. I mean, do these characters even smile anymore?

//Damn, JG and TW are so good together.//

Clionel rocks. Boy, did I love that scene on so many levels. They place so well off of each other. But can someone explain to me why Lionel would give Lana the evidence on Lex, but not Chloe or Clark, the people he's trying to *convince*?

//I don't understand why Clark has to have misery and guilt opressively weighing him down to such a degree that its not only hard to visualize him going off to become a superhero who will be a beacon of hope and peace...its hard to visualize him not having an emotional breakdown, and deciding to pack up Shelby and move to the woods to become a mountain man with a 3 foot beard. //

Quite frankly, I've been expecting him to do that for quite sometime. The fact that he's going to come out of all of this as Superman is purely remarkable to me seeing as how this show has tried its damnedest to make him seem so depressed.
pep_singer
Mar. 29th, 2008 04:28 am (UTC)
And I just want to add that the final Clana scene really did get to me and that TW did a good job. But not for the reasons this show was aiming for. It got to me because this was yet another thing going wrong in his life, and nothing ever really seems to go right no matter what he does. I think seeing Lana at that particular moment was just the icing on the cake to a truly horrible year. His crying was just a culmination of all those things, and I really can't stand to see Clark in pain at all. That hurts.
jeannev
Mar. 29th, 2008 04:38 pm (UTC)
I thought Tom was very effective throught out the whole episode. I just wish he had better, more meaningful dialogue written for him. There are so many times that I want Clark to just say something.

I think you absolutely have some light to balance the dark, but it can't just come from supporting characters. You need that FOR CLARK. He needs to have some light in his life. Otherwise, I'm not really sure what they want us to believe about him. You can't be a symbol of hope and peace and justice when you've been kicked in the balls so much from life.
dm_wyatt
Mar. 29th, 2008 04:36 am (UTC)
Well, this was the last complete episode written before the strike started...

In thinking about some of the WTF moments in the last few episodes, them not being able to edit the dialogue (exept to cut it entirely, trim it down or move it around) might explain things...

Some things that the characters have said the last few episodes seem to come from out of the blue or almost be non-sequitors... It makes me wonder what's missing or what was supposed to have happened there.

I would be really curious to see the script. It might be a complete piece of dreck that James Marshall and Tom managed to make passable.
jeannev
Mar. 29th, 2008 04:39 pm (UTC)
Oh, I think the last 3 eps have definitely shown some effects of being made post-strike, though Traveler was fabulous nonetheless. This one especially. By removing the big moments at the end, the episode just sort of fell flat.

And suprisingly, I really wasn't impressed with Mr Marshall's work, and usually I'm a big fan. Tom though, he was great.
svgurl
Mar. 29th, 2008 04:42 am (UTC)
I so agree with everything you just said! *nods*

I don't understand why Clark has to have misery and guilt opressively weighing him down to such a degree that its not only hard to visualize him going off to become a superhero who will be a beacon of hope and peace...its hard to visualize him not having an emotional breakdown, and deciding to pack up Shelby and move to the woods to become a mountain man with a 3 foot beard.

I know, it completely sucks. Clark used to be so happy and now he's so miserable and it hurts me seeing him like that. Has he been genuinely happy ever lately? When was the last time we got a true smile from him? It's just depressing. And I'm sick of everyone blaming everything on him too! It's not right!

I also like how cold, efficient and calculating Lex has become. Thank God the woobie is gone. I will not miss him.

I'm with you there. I'm sick of all the poor Lex spiels. Can you say BORING?

"In what freak world should a young Superman need to learn to fly from Supergirl?"

It's just wrong. That's all.

Jimmy's annoyed me ever since he pulled the "don't you have a boyfriend" to Lois in Hydro. So she can't have a boyfriend and try to make something of herself? Jerk. I saw him checking her out and dude, you're dating her cousin! He's already pissed me off this season and I have no love for him.

Goughlar is doing a crap job ending the Clana. It should've been over in "Siren". What a waste of all our times and they're just using it as another way to lay on guilt on Clark.

I'm stopping now ... sorry for the rant. This episode was just boring. Really, that's all there is to say. :(



jeannev
Mar. 29th, 2008 04:41 pm (UTC)
Yeah, watching Clark hurts me too. And I just want everyone to leave him the freak alone for about a month. I'm sick of the misery for him, and I'm sick of the guilt. Its Enough Already!

I thought bringing on a flying Supergirl was a mistake right from day one, and nothing thats happened since has changed my mind.

And goughlar doing a crap job with Clana? Wow, shock and suprise there, eh? LOL
gildinwen
Mar. 29th, 2008 09:21 am (UTC)
Oh thank god somebody talked about the terrifying glee some Smallville fan feel for seeing Lana in "Excrutitating pain and unable to express it". It reminds me of the Fake!baby and the 'miscarriage' which caused her deep emotional distress, and pain, but the fans were all like " oh whatever she didn't want the baby anyway'

Listen I don't like Lana at all, and I wouldn't wish this on her. No way
jeannev
Mar. 29th, 2008 04:43 pm (UTC)
The Lana hate just gets completely out of control. I think it sometimes does for Lois, Clark and Chloe too sometimes. But most especially for Lana, and I think there's something really creepy about it.

I don't like the character. I'm ambivalent about the actress. But there are ways to express that without acting like maniacs, ya know?
goodvibe
Mar. 29th, 2008 01:23 pm (UTC)
Massive WORD to all your thoughts on the Clark/Lana/masses-of-guilt situation. Makes me so frikkin frustrated! Clana have some very real issues, it was those that needed to be acknowledged paving the way for the couple moving apart from each other - NOT the route that the writers have now chosen. It's just an impossible situation for Clark, isn't it? ::sighs:: Also agreeing with you on the "bitch deserved it" sentiments---but man, that's SV fandom for you. ::shakes head::
jeannev
Mar. 29th, 2008 04:44 pm (UTC)
There were at least a dozen better ways to write KK out, and have Clana part ways. And there ways of doing that in such a way as to not make either party look bad. But leave it to goughlar to find a particularly bad way where Lana looks like a tragic victim, and its all Clark's fault. UGH!
tariel22
Mar. 29th, 2008 03:58 pm (UTC)
I've never felt more torn by an episode, loving some parts of it and hating others. But it all seems to come down to loving the work of the actors, and wanting to kick the writers. And I love James Marshall, but if he had a hand in choosing that stupid song, I'm mad at him, too.

You express so well exactly what I've been feeling about Clark's story all season. Clark is our hero, and Tom plays him as such, inspiring my respect, admiration, and adoration. Why does the show seem so determined to constantly tear him down? Well, to use TPTB's own argument against them, I guess they're all just jellus of Superman! Seriously, sometimes this show just seems like one big exercise in passive aggressiveness.

I'm going with them making Lana's situation so horrific in order to make Lana more tragic and long-suffering, but also to make Clark's burden of guilt that much greater. The two seem to go hand-in-hand on this show. And that is depressing.

I find the glee some people are expressing over Lana's suffering downright disturbing. I don't hate Lana or want her to die, I just want the Clana to be over. But even if I did despise the character, I would never delight in her being in excruciating, endless pain. Come on, people, let's not lose our humanity over a television show!

There are so many different factions within the Smallville fandom, and there is always someone ready to disagree with my opinion of the latest episode. I can't tell you how thankful I am to be friends with someone who sees so much the same way I do. Not that we have to agree on everything, but it's nice to know you'll share both my outrage and my squee, especially over our beloved Clark Kent.
jeannev
Mar. 29th, 2008 04:47 pm (UTC)
The tearing down of Clark has gotten to such a point where I really don't understand what they are trying to say anymore. I mean, he can't even get a visit from an old friend without someone throwing shit on him. What the hell is that? Why do these writers seem to hate Clark so much? And if you hate Clark so much, why are you writing a show about...ya know...CLARK KENT?

I have a feeling that your assessment of the Clana situation is dead-on. And how screwed up is that?

And BTW, I sent you a virtual present yesterday for your birthday (Happy Birthday!), and it doesn't seem to have been delivered to you. LJ screwed it up :(
tariel22
Mar. 29th, 2008 09:27 pm (UTC)
LJ's wonkiness is legendary. Thank you so much for thinking of me! This birthday was a good one, and all my new friends here played a big part in that. *hugs*
(Anonymous)
Mar. 29th, 2008 05:42 pm (UTC)
Thoughts about Veritas
Great thoughts about Veritas, Valerie. I agree with every single word. I'm not good in English. So I don't write comments very often on forums. But reading some comments about Clark or Tom is always very painful to me. Some comments about Clark and Lana in respect of Veritas were just shocking to me. I'm glad that there are some people (and I know you are one of them) who are willing to defend Clark (or Tom) on these forums. Thank you very much for that!
Lis
jeannev
Mar. 29th, 2008 07:04 pm (UTC)
Re: Thoughts about Veritas
Lis, you did fine. Thanks for commenting.

And yeah, I'm a diehard Clark/Tom supporter! And I intend to continue to be very vocal in that role.
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jeannev
Mar. 29th, 2008 07:07 pm (UTC)
Yeah, the Lana thing is just....nuts. I totally understand the frustration with the character. But the overblown ranting about "her sins". The whole bizarre "she deserves" it thing when someone victimizes her. Its just icky!

I think the constant misery heaped on Clark would be more tolerable if there was another side to it. Perhaps showing him having happiness in his life and his relationships would be one way. Or showing him taking great joy in his heroics would be another. But they don't do either of those things, then heap crap on top of his head. How is this supposed to inspire him to be a superhero? I don't get it.
x_pixilated_x
Mar. 30th, 2008 12:47 am (UTC)
You know, I think the ending could have been a pretty powerful scene if the SV writers hadn't cocked the past seasons up by using the characters as their own personal punching bags :(

Did anyone else notice the long pauses that happened in nearly every scene?? Cause that bugged me >:|

And maybe its just me, and yes, I realize she's fictional and all that, but I really wonder about people that find this whole Lana thing awesome, and are gleeful because "the bitch is suffering". People are dicks. Including me. I can't say I haven't had a mean thought like that in the past (see icon) though I don't feel much about her current condition. It's...extremely hard to feel sympathy when SV just use H/C (without so much the comfort) to extent they do.
jeannev
Mar. 30th, 2008 01:18 am (UTC)
You see, I don't mind someone saying "Yawn, victim Lana again, and I don't care". I get that. Its all the "Yay, the bitch is suffering" stuff thats just off the hook. I certainly understand not liking a character, or feeling much sympathy when something happens to them.

And yes, I do think big tragic moments would be so much more successful when the lives of the characters wasn't one giant shit heap the majority of the time. Sort of dulls the effect.
txluvstom
Mar. 30th, 2008 04:57 am (UTC)
Veritas
God,I love your site. I just got done making a comment on Tom's Birthday Project about how pissed off I was on all the Clark bashing. It feels so good to know that I'm not alone in my thinking reguarding our sweet hero. I know that a lot of you aren't happy with the ending and neither am I....BUT only because I was heartsick for Clark. It broke my heart seeing the look on his face as he tried to reach out to her. What a brilliant performance by Tom. He has the most amazing eyes and sometimes you don't need the words. His just told us all that needed to be said on the pain and desperation he was feeling. He is simply wonderful at that.
jeannev
Mar. 30th, 2008 05:21 am (UTC)
Re: Veritas
Awesome, I'm glad you love it here. If you are about the Tom and Clark love, I like to think that this is one of the places to be. :) Please, friend me and I'll do likewise.

I could feel sympathy for Lana because what happened to her was so horrible. But victim Lana is a very overplayed scenario on SV, and it sort of dulls the senses a bit.

I think Tom's acting has just been really strong week after week this season. He really seems to be in the zone.
serenography
Mar. 30th, 2008 11:56 pm (UTC)
And maybe its just me, and yes, I realize she's fictional and all that, but I really wonder about people that find this whole Lana thing awesome, and are gleeful because "the bitch is suffering". Thats just twisted. I may not like Lana, but I'll never understand the pathological sadism shown by some fans when it comes to her. Or any of the characters actually.

Thank you for saying that.

It's become unbearable, and I'm glad that there are some fans who are able to express their opinions and have their preferences without crossing the lines of decency.
jeannev
Mar. 31st, 2008 12:11 am (UTC)
No thanks necessary.

Honestly, I don't think I'll ever quite understand why people can't express themselves, and can't express their likes and dislikes without being rude, crude or outwardly offensive. Believe me, as a Clark fan, I see it all the time. K-Site has become almost unbearable with the over-the-top rhetoric.

Seems to me that one can make their point just as well without being a moron about it.
seacrystal
Apr. 1st, 2008 10:03 am (UTC)
Can I just say a big freaking word to this review? It depressed the hell out of me, I like the cousins moments, Lois and Jimmy stuff. But yeah, even that couldn't save it for me because in the end, they played that stupid, stupid song.

And maybe its just me, and yes, I realize she's fictional and all that, but I really wonder about people that find this whole Lana thing awesome, and are gleeful because "the bitch is suffering". Thats just twisted. I may not like Lana, but I'll never understand the pathological sadism shown by some fans when it comes to her. Or any of the characters actually.

I've come across A LOT of these since last week, it took everything in me not to respond at all because I know I wouldn't be able to word it right and it would just end up UGLY all around. It's the same like last time when Lana thought she lost the baby and some people were saying she deserved it.
jeannev
Apr. 1st, 2008 02:00 pm (UTC)
I'm really struggling to understand why this show feels like it needs to go darker and darker. I don't get it, because it really has nothing at all to do with Superman, who is probably the LEAST dark hero of all.

The Lana stuff just gets out of hand. I don't like the character either, and I've been incredibly frustrated at how she's written, and how the character has hurt Clark's character. But the sadism just completely floors me. Its really disturbing.
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