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Ranting about SV spoilers

 
Yeah, its going to be another one of my happy, look-on-the-brightside posts....

Oh Wait, I don't actually have any of those.  Nevermind. ;)

And BTW, I've decided I need to work on another Tom picspam.  I was thinking "Heroic Clark".  Though, I've been finding that most of the times he's been heroic, he's also in motion, so its hard to find good stills.  Hmm, its a dilemma.

OK, time to get to the venting
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For one thing, K-Site has the description for Siren up.  I'd post it here, but it doesn't much interest me, so I'm not going to.  Suffice to say, it doesn't seem to have much to do with Clark.  Oliver, Black Canary, Lex up to no good, Chloe in Watchtower mode, and Lois clashing with BC and finding out about Oliver.  Clark will probably pop in now and again to nod with authority.  I know I'll be riveted to my seat (read that sentence as dripping with bitter sarcasm).

And ya know, really, I expected Siren to be a total filler that was more or less devoted to Oliver/GA.  And I wouldn't even begrudge it if it didn't already feel like this season has been spinning its wheels in place and not accomplishing anything.  And I feel that especially in regards to Clark.  Though not just in regards to him.

Then Craig from K-Site posted that episode 14, Traveler, seemed very Clark-lite.  Well, for one thing, the last thing this season needs is a Clark-lite episode.  But this episode?  This FREAKING episode??  An episode that is supposed to have 1. the daugter of Virgil Swann show up, and 2. have Clark kidnapped and imprisoned by an alien hater.  And this episode is going to be Clark-lite?  Pardon my language for one second....Mother Fucker!

I mean, maybe its just me, and my crazy notion that Smallville should be telling a story about Clark Kent.  But why would you create a scenario that should be this huge thing for Clark....this manifestation of a fear that was instilled in him from his childhood, and not use the scenario to tell the story from Clark's POV?  And if the episode is Clark-lite, then you just aren't doing that.  What this means, at least to me, is that its mostly going to be about other people, while Clark provides them with the motivation to do what they're doing, but it actually has very little to do with him.  This just makes me crazy angry.

Craig added this bit, so maybe something can be salvaged from this:

"Well, "Traveler" leads directly into "Veritas," so it's more that Clark's part of the story gets bigger with the second half."



Between the recent JLA stuff, and the spoilers for Smallville, and the repurcussions of the writers strike, its actually really been a shit week for a Tom Welling fan.  

Stupid show *kicks show*

Nah, decides to kick gough/millar instead.  Heinous toads!




 

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svgurl
Jan. 19th, 2008 03:59 am (UTC)
kick gough & millar. i so support you. okay, i'm excited for "Siren" because Ollie is coming back and I really missed him. don't kill me!

I'm not impressed with the actress that's playing BC ... but I do want to see a Lois/Ollie scene. Those two were cute together and Ollie always seem to do wonders for Clark.

I saw the pictures and Tom's hair looks AWFUL. I thought "Traveler" sounded kind of stupid too.

I say go for the pic-spam. That scene in "Kara", where Clark helps Kara get control of her super hearing was very heroic to me. :)
jeannev
Jan. 19th, 2008 04:07 am (UTC)
Oh, I would never be upset that someone was happy about Ollie coming back. Its just that this season is going to end up being shortened, and I just don't think we need another episode of Clark not really doing anything. He's taken a back seat to Kara, to Lana, even to Bizarro when you think about it. It just doesn't seem like what the Clark part of SV needs right now.

And while I enjoyed the Oliver/Clark scenes, since JH and TW play off each other nicely, I can't say that I really felt like they did wonders for Clark. In fact, I often thought they used the Green Arrow chaaracter to make Clark look less.

I actually thought the plot of Travler held great possibilities. For Clark to have to come face-to-face with that sort of xenophobia. And have that sort of experiance be used to further convince him that he might need a dual identity if he wants to go out there and help people. So many good ways to use a plot like this (I'm sure most of SV's fanfic writers could do wonders with a plot like this). Instead, I suspect its going to be used as a showcase for Lana, Chloe and Kara. And no offense to the girls, but that sucks.

svgurl
Jan. 19th, 2008 04:14 am (UTC)
When I say wonders, I mean more that someone was telling Clark to get off his ass and do something for a change. I mean, sure he did overshadow Clark but really ... Clark isn't doing much in his life and he's heading straight to nowheresville.

Dude, if the Traveler plot was in the hands of more capable writers, it would be great. But I think with SV writers, you're absolutely correct ... it will be Lana, Chloe & Kara. Sure, they're great but this show is about Clark Kent. When did he get a backseat on his own show?

It's hard to be a Clark fan nowadays. :(
jeannev
Jan. 19th, 2008 04:17 am (UTC)
When I say wonders, I mean more that someone was telling Clark to get off his ass and do something for a change. I mean, sure he did overshadow Clark but really ... Clark isn't doing much in his life and he's heading straight to nowheresville.

But, for me, this isn't a positive thing for the show to do. Instead of actually writing something positive and proactive for the character of Clark, they write in someone to put him down for being so idle? Basically, to make him look worse? I just never understood that sort of logic.

They won't let him progress, so they write in someone to put him down for not progressing. It boggles my mind.
svgurl
Jan. 19th, 2008 04:26 am (UTC)
But, for me, this isn't a positive thing for the show to do. Instead of actually writing something positive and proactive for the character of Clark, they write in someone to put him down for being so idle? Basically, to make him look worse? I just never understood that sort of logic.

Maybe it's my GA bias ... I'm not sure. The way I look at it is that Clark didn't really have any options as to progress. I mean ... the people closest to him have always encouraged him to hide. He wants to save people but if he gets found out, it's trouble for not only him, but everyone he loves.

Then along comes Oliver Queen, who gives him another option. Save people ... but with a secret identity.

Or maybe I'm reading too much into it and giving the writers way too much credit. LOL ;)

cool icon, btw.
jeannev
Jan. 19th, 2008 04:29 am (UTC)
Well, except he'd already been introduced to that option in S5's episode Vengeance, with the Angel of Vengeance character.

And also, they never used Oliver, and his costume wearing, to show Clark considering this option. Or thinking what that could mean to him. So, in the end, how did it really do anything for Clark?
svgurl
Jan. 19th, 2008 04:36 am (UTC)
Ooh, forgot about the Angel of Vengeance character. I like to block out a lot of s5 out of my mind. With all the clana, it's hard to remember anything else.

I guess you're right. Except for that one "When you're ready to do something about that, you let me know" line in Arrow. They should've though. It would've been good.

I mean, I didn't mind all the Lollie kissage and Ollie running around half-naked but he could've been a turning point. :(
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svgurl
Jan. 21st, 2008 02:44 am (UTC)
Re: jumping in ...
Ok, first of all, wow. I love the Clark Kent character and I am not attacking him.

"Also? I don't want Clark to become Superman because everyone and their mother told him he had to. I want him to do it because he chooses to, because he feels the calling to do so, to regularly use his gifts in that way. If he only does it because everyone and their mother told him it was the only thing he could or should do, there's no real triumph in that, there's no actual journey of discovery for Clark in it. It's just Clark doing it so everyone around him will finally STFU about it.

I'm just saying that once upon at time, HE himself wanted to do something. Clark wanted to go into journalism, Clark had dreams and hopes. I can understand that he left school because of his father's death, that he wants to stay close to the farm because he does feel obligated and it's the only home he knows.

It's just, as a fan of Clark, it's sad to watch his character digress. Clark Kent is a character, even as Tom portrays him, with strong morals. Yes, he is a teenager and truth be told, just because he's an alien with superpowers, he can't be perfect. He grew up a human and he has feelings, emotions and that's what makes him different from what Jor-El wants to be.

What I'M saying is that the show writes him badly. The way he grew up, the way he was raised, he would NOT try to run off with a woman who was engaged to and pregnant with another man's kid. And the way Clark has been showed on the show in the past, he would NOT condone torture, kidnapping, fraud or stealing.

As proven in 6.04 "Arrow", where Oliver says "That the ends justify the means? Absolutely yes."

Clark: "I'll never feel that way."

He'll NEVER feel that way. Even when it comes to Lana Lang.

I love Clark for his morals, for having absolute faith in what he believes but lately, that's not the character we're seeing.

Even in "Justice", he told the team that he wanted to go with them but his obligations kept him to Smallville. He has proven that he wants to be that hero already. So it's not Martha, it's not Chloe or Kara or Lana ... it's him. Or at least once upon a time, it seemed to be him.

Now ... I don't know.

Just because they want to promote the Clana love crap doesn't mean they should take away from Clark.

I'm sorry, I went off topic. I love Clark, I love Tom ... and there are parts of season 7, which are still amazing.

Season 7 Clark is a lot less jaded than season 1 but when AlMiles is destroying the core of the character, I just can't sit around and not say anything.
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svgurl
Jan. 21st, 2008 03:25 am (UTC)
Re: jumping in ...
"Oh, I didn't think you were attacking him at all. My irritation wasn't at you; it's at the creative team for playing the stupid meta-textual foreknowledge game with the characters, as though the characters somehow know what we in the audience know when they not only don't know it -- they can't know it, because none of them are psychic."

Sorry, I tend to get defensive when I feel I'm being attacked.

Yeah, it's pretty awful what they do. The writers deserve a good smack in the head, I agree. I mean, I don't blame the characters at all ... ranting against Clark Kent won't help any. It's the writers fault and they should be blamed.

Like jeannev said: why not write Clark as more progressive and proactive, rather than having random characters every fourth episode ripping into him about how he could be doing more?

I honestly don't care for everyone else telling him what to do. I want CLARK to make the decision on his own too. It would make the decision more meaningful.
jeannev
Jan. 21st, 2008 03:53 am (UTC)
Re: jumping in ...
Don't worry svgurl, I know you weren't attacking Clark, and I know latxcvi knows it too. I think we're all venting about the writing for the show, though maybe in different ways.

See, for the same reason that latxcvi notes, thats why I couldn't really bring myself to love Oliver. Not his fault really, or JH (who did a great job). But more that he was used for 2 reasons, 1. To get to play the big proactive hero (which takes away from Clark's role on the show, and 2. To push Clark (which, again, reflects negatively on Clark). And I'm just not sure why that sort of character was needed.

But I absolutely agree these kinds of problems exist elsewhere on the show, with other characters, and you certainly can't blame Oliver for the poor writing that Clark gets.

I guess, for me, I don't understand why goughlar seemed so bound and determined to find new ways to make Clark look...less. How does that even make sense?
svgurl
Jan. 21st, 2008 04:08 am (UTC)
Re: jumping in ...
Yeah, I know that. I read it a second time and realized it wasn't me. Sometimes I am a little rash. LOL

I love Ollie still ... okay, fine it's a bit for superficial reasons like he's gorgeous. We don't really need to get into reasons, do we?

And don't forget that Lois needs a love interest because god forbid she remain single. :\

Yeah, Ollie can't be blamed. He just sees a guy with superpowers who likes to save people and for him, it seems obvious that he should do more.

Goughlar only cares about Lana and they do whatever they can to make sure Clark's still worshipping at her feet. Even if it means demeaning his character completely.
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jeannev
Jan. 21st, 2008 05:23 pm (UTC)
Re: jumping in ...
Thats a really excellent point that often gets lost in the sauce. I remember how annoyed I was with Oliver when he started in on Clark in the FIRST episode he met him. And he's talking as if he knows anything more about Clark then the fact that he has amazing abilities. It was such a WTF moment for me, and I recall I had to sort of get over that moment with Oliver to actually come to like him. I mean, this is a guy that just saved your ass, and you are laying a guilt-trip on him in his own barn? It was bizarre, and it didn't fit.
canadabear
Jan. 19th, 2008 04:08 am (UTC)
I totally agree. I really don't care if we're getting the excuse that he might have been in line to direct 7x15 so his time in 7x14 needed to be lighter so he could prepare. There's no reason to do it in an episode with that premise. I'm getting the impression that the episode is going to be very much about him (watch as Chloe, Lana and Kara discover Clark is missing! Watch as Chloe, Lana and Kara look for Clark! Watch as Chloe, Lana and Kara rescue Clark!) but he himself isn't going to physically be in it very much, and probably unconscious while captive when he is. And normally, I'd be able to put on my happy face and say "but it's still focussing on Clark even if he's not doing all the action himself!", but the premise they're using is preventing me from doing that this time. It's just wrong in this case, plain and simple.

ON top of that, I really do think we're going to get Chloe using her power to revive him. I really do. And that's just going to suck the focus away from him and his experience even more. I suppose there's a tiny chance it'll actually turn out all right, but given Craig's indication that it's Clark light, I'm not going to hold my breath. *sigh*

Edited at 2008-01-19 04:09 am (UTC)
jeannev
Jan. 19th, 2008 04:15 am (UTC)
Yeah, I figured you and I would have the same reaction to that piece of information.

And I agree with you, its completely the wrong scenario to be Clark-lite. It should be a more pivotal moment for Clark. But its not going to be.

And in this case, I don't believe that just using Clark as the catalyst is making it about him. It just means they've reduced him to damsel-in-distress for this episode.

And I know I'm hyper sensitive about this at the best of times, which this isn't, but I love how its sort of Tom's fault...ya know, because maybe he was going to direct #15.

(Which, BTW, according to the French film student who spent time on the SV set, and now is working in Vancouver, Tom was not scheduled to direct an episode of SV at any time this season. And this isn't coming from one of the glory seekings gossip mongers).
canadabear
Jan. 19th, 2008 04:22 am (UTC)
Interesting. I'd heard that he was definitely directing this year, although no episode was ever named, and Allison was directing #20. I know Michael was offered two episodes to direct and he turned them down, I think because of his back injury.
jeannev
Jan. 19th, 2008 04:26 am (UTC)
Yes, very interesting. I was actually surprised when she said that, but the girl knows her stuff. Just something to deepen the mystery surrounding TW, and whats going on behind the scenes of SV.
carolandtom
Jan. 19th, 2008 10:57 am (UTC)
You know how I feel. And you said it all. I'll just reiterate how much I HATE those two morons, AG/MM, and the rest of their stupid creative team.
jeannev
Jan. 20th, 2008 02:57 am (UTC)
Yeah, I can't say I'm a fan of the SV creative team, and I loathe AG/MM. Actually, I don't loathe Miles as much. He just bugs me. But gough? HATE!
romanyg
Jan. 20th, 2008 09:41 pm (UTC)
*sigh* I think that they had planned the usual 22-ep arc and that Clark, of course, would figure more prominently in the closing eps, which are now not to be. This truncated season is really hurting the story.
jeannev
Jan. 21st, 2008 03:55 am (UTC)
Maybe you're right. But then I wonder. Because really, a 22 ep season didn't help Clark much in S6. And the creative team knew pretty early on that this season might be cut short due to the strike, and they knew this could conceivably be their last season. Yet they still decided to focus away from Clark. I don't get it.
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jeannev
Jan. 21st, 2008 04:02 am (UTC)
LOL, yeah, no Torchwood spoilers here *g*

I'm totally baffled by how far away from Clark this show has gotten. AlMiles even said themselves, albeit a few seasons ago, that this show only really works when you keep Clark as the main focus. And yet they seem to move further and further away from that in this attempt to service other characters, and worse, GUEST STARS! Its so damned aggravating. And it just makes it seem like Clark is just doing nothing.

Do you remember the question I asked after Wrath? When I asked if everyone would still love that episode so much if nothing significant came out of it? Well, I think we're seeing how much validity that question had. What should've been this huge turning point of the show...wasn't.

As far as I'm concerned, a scenario like Traveler should be extremely Clark intensive. Extremely! And I don't have a lot of faith in the idea that his story picks up in the next episode, because frankly, SV isn't so good on that episode to episode continuity. Something always seems to get lost.

And yeah, Siren isn't doing much for me. As far as I'm concerned, if guest superheroes are going to come on the show, they should be involved heavily with Clark. Not brought on as an episode to further pimp Oliver.
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