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Hey Everyone :)

 Wow, its been a long time.  Sadly, I don't have much to say these days.  I guess all I had to talk about was Smallville, and I don't have that much more to say about that.

Its an odd thing, because I really did think that I would have a lot more to say about Smallville when it was over.  I figured new ideas would pop into my head, and I'd be asking you folks odd questions, and spurring new conversations.  But the reality is that I haven't felt much inspiration to do that.  I guess I really wasn't kidding when I said that Smallville just wore me down over the last few seasons.  And the last season left me totally underwhelmed and unsatisfied.  And when I do think about Smallville, all I can seem to dwell on is all the things I wish they'd done differently.  Done better.

Which is really strange when you consider that both the new Superman movie, and the new comics Superman seem to be borrowing heavily from ideas and themes that Smallville used just recently.

Sometimes, I wish I could write fanfic because I really would love to put my own ending on the 10 years of series that I watched.  The Smallville ending just didn't quite work for me.  I know saying this is the kind of thing that draws a bulls eye on your back, but since the show is over I don't care.  SV's Clark and Lois?  Nope, not buying that as a forever love.  I've tried and tried to make it work in my head, but it just doesn't.  Of course, its miles more believable then Chloe and Oliver, but I like to tell myself that Clark has little to nothing to do with those two post-SV, so it doesn't quite nag at me in the same way.

But, SV is what it is, and was what it was.  I've been doing a very random re-watch fairly regularly, watching eps out of order, from all the seasons.  And its made something very clear to me.  I'm pretty much an up-through-S5 kind of gal.  I love, LOVE the early seasons.  Its also quite a trip when you do watch randomly, and realize how many times the show retread the same ground over and over and over again.  For instance, in S1's Rogue, Clark loses his temper, and threatens Phelan, and later tells his dad that he wanted to kill him, and he was close, but he didn't.  In S4's Pariah, Clark is so distraught by Alicia's murder that he seems intent on doing the same to her murderer, but he stops (with the help of Lois).  In S5's Vengeance, Clark still reeling from the death of his father comes close to delivering a fatal brand of justice to Martha's attacker, but he stops himself.  In S6's Combat, Clark  questions his own motives for wanting to get into the ring with Titan.  Later, in the S6 finale, Phantom, Clark goes after Lionel when he finds out that Lionel blackmailed Lana into marrying Lex by threatening to kill him.  

Now, mind you, I'm not ragging on Clark, just trying to make a point about the SV writing.

Then, we start off S10 where we have Clark tempted to take out Lex clone (but he stops himself), and AI Jor-El is appalled (he didn't bother being appalled previously), and Clark says "I now know I have it in me to kill".  And see, that's my point.  He freaking knew that IN SEASON ONE.

Sorry, sorry, I'm retreading ground here, I know.  I guess I just wanted to share one of the things I've taken away from my random rewatch.  Another thing?  Clark and Lana were an intense duo, and their relationship is quite different to watch in retrospect.  And Tom and Kristin?  Did a lot of really fine work together.  I can find them both, individually and collectively, frustrating, but I never question the intensity of the feelings there.  A problem that dogged me through S10's Clois.  Also, I miss when I still I liked Chloe.

But, lets move on.

Remember when I was all excited about watching Falling Skies?  Yeah, well, so much for that.  I'm still watching because its only an 8 episode commitment, but man, this show isn't good at all.  First of all, it looks shockingly cheap.  The writing is full of tired old cliches, and rarely has an interesting or original moment.  The cast as a whole is weak, with Noah Wyle being a solid leading actor, but not nearly as strong or charismatic as he needs to be to raise this show up.  And Sarah Carter (SV's Alicia) is miscast in a role she feels too old for.  I keep hoping its going to get better, and since its been renewed for a 2nd season, maybe improvements can be made (they desperately NEED some strong characters and actors added).  But, I doubt I'd watch a 2nd season.

One show that I've not been a big fan of, but that I'm liking more and more this season is True Blood.  I don't always know whats going on, having only sporadically watched it in the past, but this year, its really entertaining.  Sookie is more likable (as is ImprovedLesbian!Tara).  I love what they're doing with Eric.  Bill works better as King then Sookie's boyfriend.  I can't put my finger on it precisely, but its a much more entertaining show.

Sadly, nothing new announced for Tom Welling, but I think I always figured he'd take the summer off.  If this continues onto fall, consider me officially panicked.  In fact, of the SV regulars, it seems only Erica moved on to another gig, with Cassidy having filmed a pilot that we won't see until next year (?).  I'm sure Michael is keeping himself busy.  Justin, Allison and Kristin don't seem to have any new irons in the fire at the moment.  

Sadly, the new crop of shows upcoming in the fall leave me cold.  I'm going to try The New Girl, even though I loathe sitcoms.  But Zooey Deschanel is seriously adorable.  I might check out Pan Am, because I like the nostalgic look of it.  Maybe Prime Suspect, though I really think Helen Mirren left shoes impossible to fill.  The River might be good, but then again, it looks like one of those shows that's mystery upon mystery, with no answers, which is tiresome.  I'm going to check out the dinosaur show, Terra Nova, even though it looks pretty bad.  But I do love me some dinosaurs.  Come fall, I have the return of Walking Dead and Sons of Anarchy to look forward.  And come mid-season, I'm anxious to check out the Ashley Judd show Missing, and the update of John Grisham's The Firm (starring a longtime fav of mine, Josh Lucas).  Also Justified will return.  Game of Thrones will probably have to wait until April or May.  So, I guess I'll have some things to watch.  And who knows, sometimes you just stumble on a show that works for you.  I hope that will happen to me.

As for this summer, I've been keeping busy with the insanity at work, and trying to get to the beach as much as I can on the weekends.  I even have a tan!!  As a pasty white half-Irish gal, that's an accomplishment.  

So, how has everyone else been?  Tell me a story :)

Comments

( 36 comments )
tasabian
Jul. 20th, 2011 11:31 pm (UTC)
Its also quite a trip when you do watch randomly, and realize how many times the show retread the same ground over and over and over again.
That would be an interesting post - comparing the retreads & deciding which version did it best.

I'm sure Michael is keeping himself busy.
I'm rooting against the Zooey Deschanel show because then Fox will put Michael's show back on! And I want Tom to guest on Michael's show and get to show his funny side. MR's also filming a movie with Kristen Bell, Bradley Cooper & Jason Bateman this summer.

I'm pretty much an up-through-S5 kind of gal. I love, LOVE the early seasons.
Tom is quite correct when he says that S1-5 and S6-10 are two different shows (and I definitely prefer the front half.)
jeannev
Jul. 21st, 2011 02:01 am (UTC)
Yay! I still have friends!! I was getting a little worried there. LOL

It would be interesting to see how many times SV did the same thing over and over again. Hmmm, I may have one more SV game in me yet.

Good for Michael! He always seems to find a way to keep busy. But can't Fox cancel some other show? The Zooey one looks cute :( Can Tom be on both?

I prefer the SV.V.1 as opposed to the SV.V.2
tasabian
Jul. 21st, 2011 02:22 am (UTC)
But can't Fox cancel some other show? The Zooey one looks cute :(
Hmmm, I may have one more SV game in me yet.
Go for it - it would be fun to see which plot was repeated most often.

The trouble is, Fox has barely any 1/2 hour time-slots - that's why MR's show, despite good ratings, is in limbo. There's no half hour vacancies. There's the animated shows on Sunday and the Zooey show is paired with (critically acclaimed) Raising Hope. One of these needs to fail for "Breaking In" to find a home.

Yay! I still have friends!! I was getting a little worried there.
I was worried that you didn't have any cat wisdom for me! (See last entry.)
jeannev
Jul. 21st, 2011 03:15 am (UTC)
My suggestion would be for Fox to get rid of Glee, since that show already jumped the shark.

Sorry, I missed your cat entry. I added my 2 cents, though I saw that you already got a lot of great advice.
tasabian
Jul. 22nd, 2011 01:44 am (UTC)
It sounds like they want "Double-Glee" - keep the original show going & spin off Rachel & Kurt as a younger Will & Grace in NYC.

Fox is paying Michael & cast until November so hopefully Breaking In will find a schedule slot then!
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jeannev
Jul. 21st, 2011 02:07 am (UTC)
Hey There! *waves back*

I totally understand what you mean about the shows cohesiveness in the earlier seasons. It just felt better put together overall. And don't even get me started on the difference in the productions values. One thing was for sure, no one threw extra money SV's way for the final season.

I hear about so many new movie projects, and I can't help but think "Tom would be good in that!". Same goes for TV stuff. Just something. ANYTHING!

Glad to hear that the aerobics has been going well. Sadly, I don't have my trainer anymore. He got let go from the place I was going, and even though he's joined a new gym, it would be too costly for me to follow him there. So, I'm trying to motivate myself these days.

I really liked the X-Men movie when I saw it, but I think I just mostly liked the Charles/Eric stuff, because when I stop to think about it, the rest of the movie is a bit weak. Did you see Super 8? Because I thought that was very good.

I totally relate to the "I'm getting old stuff". Its tragic :(

Grimm might be interesting, but its up against Supernatural. I could tape it, but I have a tendency not to watch shows I tape. I don't know why.
tariel22
Jul. 21st, 2011 01:40 am (UTC)
I've been surprised to find myself pretty content to set Smallville aside for the moment. I'm sure I'll come back to it, and I have watched a dozen or so episodes here and there since the finale, but I'm much more focused on Tom now, fan-wise, and anticipating what he might do next. I'm glad he's taking some time for himself, and he more than deserves it, but like you, I'm fighting back a rising tide of panic as each day passes without news of a new project. Still, Tom himself recently pointed out in an interview how fleeting success in the entertainment industry can be, and he seems to thrive on being crazy busy, so I keep telling myself he must be actively pursuing work.

I agree that in S10 Smallville covered a lot of ground that had been covered before, and better, in earlier seasons. I'll never regret having ten years of Tom on my TV screen, but the show could have ended a lot sooner, and S6-10 had as much bad as they did good, IMO. In spite of that, though, I think Tom took Clark to new places right up until the end, and continued to grow and develop as an actor. Every episode had moments that made me remember why this show was my favorite from the first day I saw it to the last. Because of Tom. I can't say I miss the show, but I sure do miss him.

I never made it past the Falling Skies pilot, in spite of my love for Mark Verheiden, Greg Beeman, Noah Wyle, and Sarah Carter. It just didn't capture my interest, and I think unfortunately it suffered because I watched it not long after I saw Super 8. Of course there is no comparison between the two, in spite of Spielberg's involvement with both. Super 8 was amazing. But I felt like FS had a lot of the darkness and anxiety Super 8 had, but none of the charm and humor and hope.

That's my biggest problem with the show as a whole, and V suffered from it, too. It's better suited for a movie than a TV series, IMO. When your story revolves around this big conflict with conquering aliens, you can't sustain the show long-term if the good guys are winning all the time. So instead we get smaller, symbolic moments of victory buried in waves of struggle and loss. And unless the battle is particularly entertaining or inspiring, I'm not signing up for that. Call it post-Smallville burn-out, but I don't want to see my heroes endlessly beaten down anymore.

I've watched every season of True Blood, and I like it, but I have to be in the right mood for it. So far the new season is sitting on my DVR, but your description makes me want to dive in. I kind of have to brace myself for all that gore and relentless nudity. :) I'm Team Eric all the way, and have been from the start. Not in the shipper sense, I just think Eric is awesome. And I love Lafayette, too. Tara and Jason drive me nuts. I spent most of last season wanting to smack them repeatedly.

I'm not really up on what the new shows are, I honestly usually wait until the TV Guide that lists them all comes out, and then I sit down and make my viewing grid. :) I'll be watching all three of the new CW shows for sure, though. I'm also watching lots more than I usually do this summer! I swear, it's like another full season, it's just that most of the shows are on cable channels.

I have no stories to tell, all I do is work too much and stalk Tom Welling on the internet. :) I'm trying to plan a trip to Colorado sometime in September, though, and I might be going to Disneyland in October. They have a new Ariel ride, and I'm dying to see it. And then go crazy in the gift shop.
jeannev
Jul. 21st, 2011 02:17 am (UTC)
Hey You!!

Its so hard to figure out what motivates Tom, and what he wants. But I certainly hope he's got some irons in the fire. I figure the fact that he wants his domain name has to mean something, right?

I'm with you, in that no matter how I feel about SV overall, or the last season in particular, I really couldn't have been more satisfied with Tom, or his portrayal of Clark in every single season. Really, I have very few quibbles with the SV actors in general. I think Tom did an amazing job over 10 years, and that I'll always be thankful for.

I loved Super 8 too. Very entertaining movie, and very well done. Falling Skies just seems to have no real heart to it, and yet its full of maudlin sentimentality that rings hollow. None of it feels authentic. And I just can't figure out why its so bad considering the people involved with it. Now, maybe if they hire Tom for next season, I'll watch. Someone suggest that to Beeman on his blog! Tom could be reunited with Sarah, and we'd finally get a a charismatic actor, give Sarah something to work with, and the show might get more interesting.

I'm also Team Eric all the way. And really, whatever my feelings about Sookie, her and Eric are really meant to be. I've always thought that was fairly obvious. It sort of amuses me that Anna Paquin has more interesting chemistry with Alexander then with her own husband, but that happens sometimes. I never liked Tara or Jason either, but she's much improved this year. Jason's storyline is awful though.

I don't think the CW shows are for me. Maybe the SMG one. But the other two just aren't my cup of tea.

Colorado sounds great! I think I might be going to Turks and Caicos in October, but the trip is in the early planning stages, and part of me thinks I should stay home and save money. The other part of me thinks Fuck It, you only live once.
tariel22
Jul. 21st, 2011 03:16 am (UTC)
Its so hard to figure out what motivates Tom, and what he wants.

Quoted for truth. I realize it's part of his appeal for me, but does he have to be SO mysterious?

I figure the fact that he wants his domain name has to mean something, right?

I'm clinging to that thought as well, and checking the site at least once a week to see if anything has changed.

Falling Skies just seems to have no real heart to it, and yet its full of maudlin sentimentality that rings hollow.

I think that's a very astute comment, and it's a flaw that keeps me from fully investing in the characters emotionally. But it's already been renewed for S2, so I say yes to bringing Tom aboard! If they do, I promise to watch every episode to catch up.

I'm mostly looking forward to The Secret Circle on the CW. I have a thing for witches, and I like the SV people who have joined the show (Don Whitehead, Holly Henderson, Mairzee Almas, Jae Marchant). Plus it has Gale Harold in it, in a role that is infinitely more suited for him than the one he played in Hellcats.

I vote for Fuck it, you only live once, but I'm a lot better at saying it than doing it. :) But I think Turks and Caicos would be amazing!

I forgot to tell you before, one of the shows I've been watching this summer is Switched at Birth. It's pretty cheesy, but I like it anyway. Anyway, one of the two main characters is played by Vanessa Marano, whom you may remember as April on Gilmore Girls. Evidently I still haven't let go of my rage over how April was brought on that show to break up Luke and Lorelai (in the most annoying way possible), because I pretty much hated her SaB character on sight. We're eight episodes in now, and I'm only just now beginning to warm up to her. :)
jeannev
Jul. 21st, 2011 01:37 pm (UTC)
Well, if anything changes with the domain name, I'm sure you'll be one of the first to know! And you'll tell us!!

As strange as this may sound, I think all shows should have characters that turn you on in some way. And Falling Skies? Nobody! And thats boring. That was another problem I had with The Killing too.

I will probably go on the trip, or some other trip. I get twitchy if I don't get away every few months. If I had the budget, and the work schedule? I'd be traveling all the time. I love it.

I know what you mean about carrying over bad feelings you have about a character to the actor. Its why I don't think I'll be watching any Allison Mack stuff anytime soon.
tariel22
Jul. 21st, 2011 02:44 pm (UTC)
As strange as this may sound, I think all shows should have characters that turn you on in some way.

Oh, I totally agree! And I'll admit I've watched some bad shows for far too long because of the appeal of a single character.

Its why I don't think I'll be watching any Allison Mack stuff anytime soon.

Sadly, I feel the same way. And I used to adore Chloe.
chatchien
Jul. 21st, 2011 04:41 pm (UTC)
My Summer Vacation....
I'm doing a lot of dog sitting and walking this summer---in 90 degree heat and on Cardiac Arrest Hills around my house. There are nothing but hills, and steep ones, around my house to walk the dog. Funny, the New Perspective that a dog will give one on one's neighborhood. And my butt hurts. It acts like it hasn't been exercised properly before.

I've got Breaking Bad to watch this summer. All the characters on it are going to hell. I wonder if Hell will be as hot as it currently is at my place.

I've got a piece on Lana from SV that I keep meaning to write up, but not yet, I guess.

I was pretty satisfied with all of SV except for Seasons 2 and 8. And in Season 6, Clark got fat and things meandered a bit. But SV was my Good Trash TV Show and I haven't found another one to take its place (SPN has gone to Hell and good riddance and may every hill in SPN hell have a 30 degree angle to it).

I thought that GoT might take over my Good Trash TV channel, but the show is just a little bit too Good to be Trash as is Breaking Bad. So instead the other night, I found Valley of the Dolls from 1967 on UTube and watched it. Now that is some Good Trash Movie! If only they could make a TV show like it.
jeannev
Jul. 22nd, 2011 01:06 am (UTC)
Re: My Summer Vacation....
Well, just think about how much your heart will be thanking you for the great cardiac workout you've been giving it.

Not to mention the good deed you're doing by doggie sitting.

Lana is a very complicated character. In retrospect, I have a lot more appreciation for her. But sometimes? She was a huge pain in the ass. But she was also in a lot of impossible situations.

I've seen Valley of the Dolls a bunch of times, the Susan Hayward/Patty Duke fight in the bathroom never gets old. They haven't done stuff like on TV since Joan Collins and Linda Evans rolled around in the mud with their giant shoulder pads.
eeyore1017
Jul. 21st, 2011 05:18 pm (UTC)
I have been wanting to do a Smallville re-watch, but I've only watched 1 episode so far. This is partly because all my TV viewing time has been sucked up by all the new shows that I record on my DVR and then have to watch so I can delete them so I can record more. :-)

I don't have too much to say about SV either though. I only watched the final episode once. A lot of Season 10 episodes were like that for me.

I am sad that Comic-Con is going on without Smallville. I only discovered Comic-Con maybe 5 years ago, but all of the videos and interviews (especially the Tom ones) and pictures were always so exciting. Even though I like other shows that are going to be at CC, I'm not really that interested in stalking their panels.

I know that you are no longer a fan, but Glee is really the only show I have left that you could even slightly put in the obsessed category for me. It's kind of sad not to have a TV show that you MUST watch or you'll DIE.
jeannev
Jul. 22nd, 2011 01:10 am (UTC)
I actually watch SV on my computer when I sit down at it at the end of the night. Its really the only time I have.

I haven't gone back and watched the final episode again either. I've rewatched parts of it, but not the whole thing.

Seeing whats on the schedule for this years Comic Con, I'm not so sorry I'm not there, because it doesn't compare to last years. And I can't figure out why the hell they moved Supernatural and Glee into Hall H, which isn't going to be nearly as much fun.

My love affair with Glee burned out quick. I guess thats what happens when you don't care for the anointed "stars" of the show.
silverscreengal
Jul. 22nd, 2011 02:37 am (UTC)
I miss Smallville so much. But when I think about missing it, I almost always think of first 4-5 seasons. It makes me so sad to think of what could have been. When I get in a pissy mood, I feel like TPTB/the WB used us, the loyal viewers, as a cash cow and didn't put any earnest effort into the final years. I want to believe Tom stayed to fight the good fight and hoped that he could give us a product we'd be happy with. He was right a few times at least.

Whenver I worry about Tom fading into obscurity, I refer to Johnny Depp, Robin Williams, Tom Hanks, etc. and I reassure myself.

I envy your tan! (Not that I could get one if I tried) I live so near the beach that people pay good money to vacation near here, and I haven't been once this year. The first time this has happened. Moving, selling a house, remodeling, a new puppy, life....

I'm having a dear friend from Germany visit me and taking a massive trip across most of the country in August so that is something exciting to look forward to!!!! I just hope it isn't crazy hot like it has been.

Have you ever been to Comic Con? I haven't but then not much incentive this year. :(

jeannev
Jul. 22nd, 2011 04:39 pm (UTC)
I don't miss what SV had become, but I miss Tom like crazy! The show itself had just become too damned frustrating for me.

I really and truly believe that Tom could be as employed as he wants to be. I don't believe for one second that some movie, or TV show wouldn't snatch him up in a second if he pursued it agressively. I think him not working is totally his choice, which is frustrating. Well, it would be frustrating either way.

I don't usually go to the beach so much in the summer because I have too many other things to do on the weekends. But this year, I'm trying to make the time. Looks like I'll miss it this weekend though, between weather and other plans.

Where are puppy pictures? I want to see the new fuzz baby.

I think this heatwave is due to break in the next few days, and temps will be back to regular summer temps.

I was at Comic Con the last 2 years, so I got to see Tom both times he showed up. I feel incredibly lucky. That first time was such a huge shock for everyone.
la_belle_isa
Jul. 23rd, 2011 02:45 pm (UTC)
Wow. I almost missed this entry... I'm not much on lj these days. I hope I'm not too late.
//I'm pretty much an up-through-S5 kind of gal. I love, LOVE the early seasons.// Me too!! S1 to 5 is my favorite piece of entertainment ever.
I watch a ton of summer shows: True blood (Alcide and Eric naked in the same scene: what's not to like? and I agree on your assesment of the actual season), Entourage,Torchwood, Eureka...
//I'm going to check out the dinosaur show, Terra Nova, even though it looks pretty bad. But I do love me some dinosaurs.// Totally. I'm looking forward to the return of some favorites of mine like Bones and Dexter. It took me forever to start watching Dexter but I have to admit, the writing is exceptionnal. Although, it seems that the show wasn't that great in S5, I haven't seen it yet.
I'll take a look at Spartacus S2. I have to say, I watched the first season 4 times in a row. The writing is great, there's a LOT of male nudity and great sex scenes BUT also a lot of blood baths, which is a bit of a challenge to watch for me. It's too bad that the main actor had to leave after S1 to get cancer treatment. I'm not sure the show will survive the re-cast.
I really can't wait for Tom news. I keep on imagining him in every show I watch. And also, he always has a calming effect on me. Whenever I feel upset or angry, I pop a SV dvd. I wouldn't be able to watch random eps like you do (I'm in the middle of S1 re-watch). I'm sure I would be appalled by the diffeence in quality between later and earlier seasons.
These days, I was fairly upset with a horrible murder case here in Quebec: a cardiologist was found not criminally responsible of stabbing his 2 little kids (3 and 5) 20 times each to death. He wasn't drunk, depressed or anything just "temporary crazy". So you see, our juries can be even bigger morons then those in Florida. It's causing a lot of uproar and there are a lot of protest here. I'm telling you it could turn ugly.
Anyway, that's where Tom and his calming effect comes in. LOL
//I even have a tan!! As a pasty white half-Irish gal, that's an accomplishment.//
As a pasty white freckled girl, I can relate. The only tan I can wish for is more freckles and a sunburn, even with a 60 sunblock.


jeannev
Jul. 23rd, 2011 04:07 pm (UTC)
Its never too late! Hey, with the way I've been going lately, this may be my only entry for a month. I can't seem to find much to discuss these days.

Its amazing to me just how different SV 1-5 is to S 6-10. I'm not sure I even know how to put it into words. But the latter seasons just don't resonate with me the way the earlier ones do. And thats not to say that I don't love a lot of the more Supermanly stuff Clark did later on, because I did. I don't know, maybe I was just very enamoured of the earlier concept for the show, and as the show went on, I think it sort of floundered on what it was. A Superman show, or a pre-Superman show.

Its very hard for me to get hooked into TV shows. That wasn't always the case, as I was a TV junkie growing up. But now? I have no patience, and there are so few actors that capture my attention.

Like Tom :(

The case in Montreal sounds nuts. What was the reasoning behind the verdict? I'm still enraged over the Casey Anthony thing, but all I can do is try to believe in karma.
la_belle_isa
Jul. 23rd, 2011 11:47 pm (UTC)
//The case in Montreal sounds nuts. What was the reasoning behind the verdict?//
Nobody really knows. The guy was in a separation process from his wife; one night, he had the 2 kids with him; he found out on the family computer that his soon-to-be ex-wife was having an affair; he took a kitchen knife and stabbed his 2 kids 47 times total (the boy begged him to stop). Then he drank windshield washer in order to supposedly kill himself but of course, he survived. While in prison awaiting trial, he wrote hateful letters to his wife, he didn't even pay for his kids' funeral and he asked his parents to empty the joint bank acccount he had with his wife, and he made a list of everything that was his in the house, inclusing a bag of potatoes under the counter because you know, lawyers are expensive and he needs the money.
But see, apparently, he's really sorry for what he did; and he tried again to kill himself. Unsuccessfully of course.
In my humble opinion and some others', one of the reasons why he was found not responsible is because it's a popular verdict here in Quebec where no one is responsible for anything. And also, he's a rich young white professional guy with the best lawyer in the province, who was found not guilty by a rich white male judge. I can assure you that if the guy was a trucker, or a Black guy, he would have been guilty as hell.
And yes, I do hope that this karma thing will work, because he could be back on his feet living la vida loca as soon as next month.
jeannev
Jul. 24th, 2011 06:08 pm (UTC)
Thats just outrageous and unbelievable. It sickening when the justice system fails so specatucularly. :(
(Anonymous)
Jul. 23rd, 2011 05:28 pm (UTC)
Britas15 (1 of 2)
Hiya! Remember me? It's been a while, huh? I hope all is well with you.

I didn't know how best to get in touch with you these days, so I figured I'd try posting a comment here.

(1) I've been reading some of your reviews from Season 8 of "Smallville." Interesting stuff. And it's so tragic how you lost your initial optimism somewhere around the Lana Arc.

Also, I deeply enjoyed your observation that it's no surprise that Clark left his "Clark" life at the end of the season. His closest friends and allies had screwed him over, his work wife had gone missing, Jimmy had gotten killed, innocent people had gotten killed -- it was a lot. Granted, problems with his personal relationships wasn't really the reasoning the show eventually gave us for why Clark left them all. But it should've been.

(2) I've watched much of Season 10 and read many of your reviews. I agree with you that Chloe got pretty much the bestest supersuit of any character in the end. Hell, even Clark still couldn't manage to marry his "one," his "strength," the "love of his life" -- seven years later.

(3) All seriousness, the whole "Chlollie" thing makes me laugh. Never mind my personal views on the couple, but did the PTB really think they were best serving that ship and its fans by relegating nearly all of the progress to Offscreenville? Apparently, the answer is a yes. And that's where the laughter comes in.

(4) You know, I still feel weird about the PTB bringing up the huge and important question of whether Clark (and every other hero, really) is being selfish by having a personal/private life, because they never really sufficiently answered it. They never had CLARK HIMSELF articulate how important ALL of his personal relationships are to making him a happier, more fulfilled person, and thus an even more effective and invested hero.

(5) Mr. "I once shot an arrow in Clark's back, murdered someone, and never really apologized for or grew from any of that" ended up as Clark's best man? Seriously, show?
jeannev
Jul. 24th, 2011 06:15 pm (UTC)
Re: Britas15 (1 of 2)
Hey you!! Of course I remember you. How the heck are you? I wasn't even sure if you were watching or following SV anymore.

Here is always a good place to reach me. But I'm also on twitter, if you are into that. Thats pretty much it these days.

1. Thanks. I was really sorry that they didn't take a potentially good story for Clark and try to make something out it. Instead, they just decided to make it all Clark's fault (for...doing something wrong), and they didn't really try to examine the depth of Clark's RIGHTFUL
disillusionment with the events and people around him.

2. Chloe over the last 3 years just make me grind my teeth. The showrunners seem to be so afraid of her rabid fans, and so enamoured of the character themselves, that they cared little about writing her realistically, and doing justice to anyone that came into direct contact with her. Her S10 arc sucked bad and was infuriating to me.

3. Chlollie. Never got it, never will.

4. You are absolutely right. Another blown opportunity. But that would've required writing that was invested in Clark in a way that these showrunners and writers weren't.

5. The Clark and Oliver friendship was never believable to me at all. And its obvious that Oliver was the best man because there just weren't any other options.
(Anonymous)
Jul. 23rd, 2011 05:47 pm (UTC)
Britas15 (2 of 2)
(6) I didn't like that Clark started the series with two good friends, but ended it without a single one. (I'm not counting Lois.) His entire life's happiness seemed to be wrapped up in a romantic relationship that the show never really sold me on, and that was a big downer for me. That's one of the reasons I wished they would've found a way to keep Jimmy or Kara or someone around, because I think Clark, as the show's protagonist, needed to have at least one platonic, deeply devoted, totally together, absolutely trustworthy friend in his life. How else am I supposed to believe he's complete in the end?

(7) Regarding your comments in this post, I agree with you about watching Lana and Clark in retrospect. There was a depth of emotion there. They were very often a train wreck together, but, like you, I never doubted that they both felt a very big, very sweeping kind of love for each other. Which, as you may also agree, puts the last season or so of Lois and Clark in a sort of disappointing light. The failure, I think, comes down to something you mentioned: It was too forced. There was some "milestone" practically every episode. There was that same hug, that same close-mouthed kiss, that same declaration of love and devotion over and over again. It got deeply boring really quickly. (They should've spent the season rebuilding the trust and understanding that broke down in Season 9; there should've been time spent on them working through redefining their dynamic and their expectations post-reveal; we should've seen them just being, just enjoying their young romance; they should've ended the show engaged.)

Also, it didn't help matters that Lois and Clark never had a real, grownup discussion about Lana -- despite the fact that she did seem to loom pretty prominently in at least Lois's mind. In a way, I think it's fair to wonder whether Clark's apparent stiltedness with Lois came down to him refusing to get as swept away with her as he was with Lana.

(Oh, and excuse my candor, but I never doubted that Clark had a constant hard-on for Lana, that something about that short, hip-less, small-breasted woman just did it for him. But Lois? Not so much. Maybe it was the writing. There really weren't any sexy scenes for the couple post-"Ambush." Hell, they were only seen in bed together once.)

(8) You made an interesting comment in one of your earlier posts. It concerned your opinion that Martha was sometimes unsure of how to handle/help Clark, like in "Memoria." I find that observation intriguing. Could you say more about that?

(9) Oh, Tess. I just never got tired of seeing Cassidy Freeman onscreen. And especially for she and Welling to have never kissed before on the show, they totally sold that mini-makeout in "Luthor." It makes me wonder what their chemistry would've looked like had Tess and Clark Luthor struck up an affair on Earth-1 and had the actors had the time to further develop their physicality.

(10) OMFG! "GAME OF THRONES"! WAS! AWESOME!
jeannev
Jul. 24th, 2011 06:27 pm (UTC)
Re: Britas15 (2 of 2)
6. One thing I always told myself re: Clark and friends is that in the near future, he's going to have 2 great friends named Bruce and Diana. And they are going to have his back (and his theirs) in a way that Clark deserves. Clark had friends who were sometimes very, very good friends to him (like Chloe was in earlier seasons). But his best and truest friends were still to come when SV ended.

7. I dont understand the shows choices when it came to how they showed Clark and Lois as a couple. Sure, the words were there, but there wasn't much by way of the physical. I've spent a lot of time trying to figure out the whys. But ultimately, it comes to this...chemistry is subjective, and if a screen couple doesn't do it for you, then they just don't. Its not right or wrong, its just a personal feeling (a concept too many people are unable to grasp). There were wonderful moments for Clois, and Tom and Erica, but for me, there were just too many moments that felt off. In comparison, Clana just came across as more believable to me, especially in retrospect with something to compare it too. It doesn't mean that Clana wasn't frustrating and aggravating too many times to count. But I believed it in a way I couldn't with Clois.

For the record, I'd love to be so adorable and petite as Kristin Kreuk. I think she has a rocking little bod, even if I think she'd could use 10 more pounds.

8. It just seemed to me that Martha was not always at ease with Clark. They had some terrific moments together, but I guess I never felt that same depth of connection that Clark shared with Jonathan. I'm not sure how to explain it, but even look at an ep as recent as Hostage, with Martha having concocted this whole identity behind Clark's back, and it still seems to hint at a lack of fundamental trust between a mother and son that adds a layer to that relationship I found interesting, but sometimes disturbing.

9. Loved CF's Tess, and I though Cassidy and Tom could've set the screen on fire if given the chance. I suspect that TPTB recognized this, which is why you got the AU Tess and Clark stuff. Obviously they couldn't explore anything between RL Clark and Tess, because that would make no sense for him at all.

10. I KNOW!! WASN'T IT?
(Anonymous)
Jul. 24th, 2011 10:36 pm (UTC)
Britas15 again.
(6) Good point about Bruce and Diana. Also, for as upset as some viewers were to never have the two characters on the show, I wasn't. Can you just imagine what the PTB would have done with them? Ugh. (Also, like you, I choose to believe that Clark has very little to do with Chloe and Oliver after the show.)

(7) Regarding Kreuk, hers was an interesting physical evolution on the show. I think both she and Mack were actually teenagers in the beginning. And somewhere around Season 5 or 6, they grew into womanhood, both in appearance and in disposition.

Regarding Kreuk, I do think there was a very alluring sense of self-possession and grace about her in those later seasons. But because of the crap the character was so often put through, she didn't get to exude that enough. That, of course, doesn't detract from the fact that Lana was one of the more intriguing and striking beauties on the show. I wouldn't fuck her (Tess was more my taste), but I could stare at her for days.

(8) You know, your observations about Martha get at why I find her to be one of the more interesting characters to consider in retrospect. Because although I believe beyond question that she loved and adored both Jonathan and Clark, I'm not so sure she was ever truly content with the life she had with them.

Regarding Jonathan, I keep going back to the Lionel issue. And, setting aside my opinion of their dynamic, I think that Martha's clear attraction to a very worldly, very powerful man was perhaps telling of her feelings toward the guy she ended up with. Moreover, Martha always seemed so much happier working off of the farm (whether for Lionel or at the Talon). And that made sense. She grew up a city girl and, I believe, studied business as a young woman. But, she ended up marrying a poor farmer and adopting his life as hers. I mean, she had to look around sometimes and question the decision to sacrifice so much of herself to be with a man she loved. And I think she maybe sorta kinda regretted that decision occasionally. Because it's gotta say something that she left the farm in Season 6 and never really came back. I almost think she gave Clark and Lois the farm/house because she'd lost enough of her life to it already and didn't want that responsibility anymore.

Regarding Clark, I think it would take a lot out of even the sweetest, most generous people to raise him. And then to have to deal with the havoc his powers wreaked and the issues with Jor-El and the constant, constant drama -- I mean, my god. I know Martha loved her son, but here again, I do wonder whether she sometimes on some level wished her kid didn't come with the baggage that he did. And, yeah, she should've expected some sacrifices, seeing as she and her husband wanted to be parents so badly that they took an alien into their home. But still, Clark, by no fault of his own, totally overtook his parents' lives. And, here again, it's gotta say something that in "Hostage," it almost seemed like Clark and Martha had been estranged for the past three years. And even in Season 10, I felt distance between them. And I wonder whether that came from Martha simply wanting and needing that distance, from her simply being happier with the life she'd made for herself elsewhere, away from her son (and her late husband and the farm).

Just my musings. Sorry they were so long-winded.
jeannev
Jul. 29th, 2011 03:07 am (UTC)
Re: Britas15 again.
6. Me either. If Bruce and Diana had been on the show, how much you want to bet their stories would've been more about Chloe, or Lois, or Oliver, or anyone but Clark.

I find everything you said about Martha very much echoes my own feelings about the character. As much as I believe that she loved Jonathan beyond reason, and the same for Clark, I'm not sure I believe that Martha was satisfied with her life, or completely comfortable in it. I do think her exit made it almost seem like she was anxious to get away from the farm, and maybe even Clark. I agree with you that she and Clark seemed almost estranged. When she came back, as good as some of the Clark/Martha scenes were, it still felt like 2 people who had a distance in their relationship. And the whole way she berated him in the finale, basically talking some major bullshit, really put an exclamation point at the end of the Martha sentence for me.

No apologies for being long winded. I'm just sorry that LJ issues kept me from responding to this earlier.
(Anonymous)
Jul. 26th, 2011 02:10 pm (UTC)
Hey, Valerie! :D

Glad to see that you're still around. I haven't been around much lately, but I've been trying to discuss SV just a little here and there. Been busy myself, plus had some relatives come up and visit for about a week. Summertime has been exceptionally hot in my region... actually for most of the country. I haven't got around to checking out any other fictional shows. I have been doing my once in a while keeping up with the news during the last week. What a horrific world and country we live in. I know, nothing new there. My tolerance for much of these crimes has long been way above my head so I try to stay away from the media as much as I can. I won't go into those details so enough about that.

You're still finding it difficult to discuss the show too. I suspect that I subconciously checked out of the show a few seasons ago, but was determined to see how it all would end anyway. I'm glad that I stuck around though because it's been great getting to read yours and others thoughts on the show. It's been a much better experience discussing the show a little bit with you than actually watching it for me.

I still haven't rewatched a single episode since the Finale aired. The random rewatch that you've been doing sounds interesting. I liked the way that you layed out that repeating pattern that the show went to many times. The writers many many times just seemed to ignore the fact that they went 'round and 'round in circles with Clark. Lets face it - Clark's story was over with with that staff a long time ago. They clearly had no interest in the character, and the story seemed to be extended just to tell other characters stories or to give some random comics character some facetime. That is a subject that could produce a lengthy post though, so I'll stop myself there and spare you some more negativity.

Of course, I also agree with your assessment of "Clana" and "Clois". It's funny if you think about it - they spent the majority of the series trying to show how wrong Lana and Clark were and how right Lois and Clark were, but the unhealthy angsty relationship ended up winning me over. It's something that is a little complicated for me to explain, but you know what I mean.

As you know, I'm also in with the Seasons 1-5 crowd. It's good to be able to discuss most of those episodes - especially the early ones. Seasons 6-10 went way too far off the road for me in so many ways that it was just a mostly disgusting experience.

I think that TW will surface somewhere at some point in the not too distant future, so try to hang in there. LOL I hope that he'll be able to do something with his career or personal life that will be greatly fulfilling for him and his fans. So far, he's managed to be a celebrity without falling into the traps of that stereotype. It's unique, but it's the right way.

Anyway, hope things have been good with ya. Maybe I'll see you around soon.

Take care,

Matt





jeannev
Jul. 29th, 2011 01:44 pm (UTC)
Hey Matt! Sorry it took me so long to reply. Stupid LJ! *kicks it*

Weather has been brutal this summer. I have to admit, all things considered, we're not getting it too bad in NY, though we had a number of brutally hot days, and not that much rain (funny, its raining today).

I know what you mean about reading the news. Its so depressing.

I'm glad I'm here for you to vent your SV views too. I think there are a lot of us who just wish that we could've left a 10 yr show commitment with more feelings of contentment and satisfaction. Just as I'm sure there were many that left the the show with just that feeling.

I felt that the random rewatch gave me a different perspective on the show. Where I was able to compare and contrast seasons, and storyline arcs, and characters and relationships in ways that I wouldn't if I done a straight rewatch. And I think thats why I'm particularly obsessed with the difference between earlier seasons to later seasons right now.

For me, very clearly, there was a shift after S5 away from Clark to more focus on other characters, and I don't think Clark ever really regained that prominence to the show after that. Its like there was a change in philosophy. And its very interesting to me that the original plan was for the show to end after 5 seasons.

I do know what you mean re: Clana/Clois. Very hard to explain, but more just a feeling that an individual takes away from it. And like anything of that nature, everyones perspective is unique.

I hope you're right about TW, but truthfully, I'm starting to despair. I had hoped that he wouldn't wait too long before getting involved with something else. Out of sight, out of mind is the way of Hollywood. Especially for a guy who had played the same role for such a long time. *sigh*

Don't be a Stranger!!!
(Anonymous)
Aug. 3rd, 2011 02:41 am (UTC)
Hi again, Val.

No apology necessary. Things happen... though I was wondering where you went off to.

Yeah, venting and watching SV went hand in hand in my experience towards the end, unfortunately. I've wanted to discuss the show more than I have this Summer, but...I don't know. I haven't had it in me. K-site is now mostly Seasons 8-10 crowd, so it's not easy over there to blend in. The discussions that I wouldn't mind having now you and others were having years ago. It would've been nice to at least have felt content with how the series ended, but that would mean that most of the final season would have to be changed, not just the Finale and the whole Lex debacle.

As you know, I watched the first 3 seasons consecutively after not seeing them for so very long, so I completely understand what it's like to notice how jarringly different those are compared to mid-later episodes in so many ways.

After seeing how the series played out, I would've rather seen it all end after Season 5 - for Clark's sake. I'm extremely curious to know the reasons why the producers went beyond that. Why would they keep a show going about a guy that they don't have much interest in? My theory has always been that they wanted to make a name for Chloe more than anything else, but who knows. That's my conclusion after having watched closely what was done with that character in relation to all the others starting around S5.

As for TW, I hope that he hasn't suffered from burnout or anything like that. Maybe he just needs a break to regain himself and his focus?

And as for your response to "M", we have discussed some things a while back on K-site. Our opinion about the show in general is similar, along with yours. I joined up too late though, and by that time you'd both mostly fizzled out from discussing much on K-site:(

Stranger? I was going to say the same thing about you. LOL

Hope things have been good with you.

Matt





jeannev
Aug. 4th, 2011 01:37 pm (UTC)
Its been a long time since one could really discuss SV on K-Site and not have a dozen Clois fanatics jump all over you. It got boring.

And you can always discuss anything you want to here. I don't mind discussing the older stuff again. Last night I watched Run, from S4, and I was reminded how much promise there was in Clark meeting another budding superhero, with Clark taking on the mentor role. And then I think how askew that went later one, particularly when Oliver showed up. And then they tried to correct that by sending Oliver completely off the rails, and basically turning him into a pretty useless, whiny, mentally and emotionally unstable character. Run had it RIGHT.

I think more shows should have a finite number of seasons, and a definite idea of where they want to get to and end. As nice as it was to see Clark finally don the suit, and fly, I also think there's much to be said for the idea of SV ending with Clark leaving SV to travel the world, or train, or whatever. The show wouldn't have suffered from so much of the one-step-forward-two-steps-back thing that became the norm due to the necessity to drag out the story.

Don't know what the story is with TW. I just think the longer he doesn't work, the harder its going to be for him to jump back in.

Things have been pretty good. I'm not getting as much done this summer as I had hoped, but I'm going to the beach more, so there's that. ;)
(Anonymous)
Jul. 26th, 2011 08:50 pm (UTC)
Hello there V. I haven't been on here in a long time but I was thinking about Smallville a few days ago so I wanted to see what was shaking on your lj. Not that your lj is literally shaking...well, you get the idea. I haven't been able to go back and watch Smallville again. I think I'm close to doing it and maybe once the baseball season is over I'll do it. But as you said, I'm probably a season 1-5 kind of guy as well. I'd watch seasons 6 and 7, but the show started to go downhill at that point. I guess for me, I'll always respect seasons 1-7 because I have a lot of respect for Gough and Millar. They created the show that I used to love so much, not the pathetic showrunners that took over for them. I'll never change my mind about that and as a result, I'll always love the good and bad from the first 7 seasons.

When it comes right down to it, I don't think Smallville was ever designed for years 8-10. Clark at the DP was a nice concept, but not one that this show should have been about. It should have been about Clark's life prior to the DP and the focus should have remained there, which includes his family, something that the writers pushed aside in those last three seasons and destroyed, to a degree, with all of the BS that went on with Martha when she popped in. As for Clois, same deal. I don't really have problems with TW and ED's acting ability, but as a romantic couple, let's just say that their chemistry didn't make up for the bad writing that was used to establish the romantic relationship in the first place. And that's how I look at Smallville, for the most part. It was never a brilliantly written show but it had actors who could take sub par writing make it something that was more than watchable. With TW and ED, the writers should have stuck with what they did best...the back and forth banter. I enjoyed those scenes with the two, especially in seasons 4 and 5.

I also agree with you about TW and KK. Clark and Lana were certainly not the best written couple, but I also didn't have a hard time believing the feelings that they had for each other. The scene at the end of "Requiem"...put it this way, it was certainly a very problematic episode and storyline, overall, but putting that aside, which is a hard thing to do, the performance by TW and KK in that scene was tremendous, IMO. It's a funny thing, really. TW and KK had to play the romance angle literally from day 1 and I think that's why they worked well together in those scenes. They quickly got comfortable with each other. TW and ED had to play that back and forth banter all of the time in their scenes together and they got comfortable doing that. I just don't think they were able to transition out of that dynamic to playing romantic couple, if that makes any sense.

And just as a sidenote...Lex should never have been brought back for the finale. I give MR credit for doing it for the fans, but tell me how bringing Lex back did anything for the character. The real Lex ultimately died in "Requiem" as a body double and we're left with a clone without the memories. That, ladies and gentlemen, is a wonderful way to turn the series into a huge waste of time when it came to Lex and Clark.

I've watched Falling Skies as well. It's not great, but I would like to see where it goes in season 2. As a summer show, at least it's something to watch to pass the time before the fall shows start. Not that there's anything great coming on. True Blood rocks. It's insane, but that's to be expected with a show like that. Then again, I loved Oz back in the day so if I could put up with all the male nudity and still love the insanity of that show, nothing that they do on True blood could turn me away. If you're looking for a show that you can get hooked on without worrying about long breaks, watch Battlestar Galactica if you haven't seen it yet. I watched it over the winter. It's fantastic. And most importantly, the show didn't get dragged out and watered down for 10 years. There are storylines and characters that will piss you off, which is the case with pretty much every show out there, but the show holds together well for the four seasons. That's all I got. Adios.

-M
jeannev
Jul. 29th, 2011 01:55 pm (UTC)
Hey M :)

Its kind of funny, because at first, I thought I got 2 responses from the same person. Then I noticed that it was "Matt" and "M", and realized that it was 2 of my favorite guys from K-Site. But man, you guys should talk, because your opinions are really similar. And quite a bit like my own. LOL

I'm not much of a Gough/Millar fan, but I'm not Souders/Peterson fan either. If push comes to shove, I do think G/M were more talented writers. But I really wonder what SV might've been in the hands of showrunners who really loved and respected the character of Clark Kent/Superman the way I do. I think we did see that sometimes, but never consistently. And I'm frankly AMAZED at how many times this show undermined Clark as a character, and cut him off at the knees. Doing a random rewatch, its astounding to see the frequency of it.

Like you, I think the show tried to have its cake and eat it too. They wanted a Superman show without a Superman. But moving into that territory, while holding Clark back, created a dichotomy that hurt the show, and the main character.

I don't have any issues with TW and ED as actors. In fact, as much as this hurts me to say, I think ED did a far better job of attempting to sell Clois to me then TW did. I'm not sure I'm ever going to understand what happened there, or why. Because TW never had any troubles selling me on Clana.

Its funny you should mention Requiem, because I actually watched that this past week in my random rewatch. And its such a deeply problematic episode on so many levels. But whats going on between TW and KK in their scenes? Its strong.

Still, that episode makes me want to punch baby chicks. Its so disappointing to me that KK liked that exit for Lana.

The more I've thought about Lex in the finale, the more I fall on the side of people who believed it shouldn't have happened. Since that was supposed to be the real Lex, apparently, then wiping his memories of not only Clark, but everything, is major suckage. Its too much. And it ruins so much.

Falling Skies is so disappointing to me. Its tragic.

I loved Oz too. Watched every season, even the last one where it seems they killed just about everyone. Great, great show.

Take care, and don't be a stranger!
(Anonymous)
Jul. 27th, 2011 08:10 pm (UTC)
Hello there he said 8 days later.

Nothing beats the first five seasons of SV for me..all the characters were still in character likable or not (mostly) and that to me matters the most.

I'm watching GoT now slowly (I don't see any reason to rush) and it's pretty great. For summer Breaking Bad is great (until fall and Mad Men)

I know it's over..but can't recommend Friday Night Lights enough if you're looking for a new show soon.
For new fall stuff it's New Girl and Hart of Dixie for me.

My summer (since you asked ;) ) filled with weddings..and Harry Potter. I haven't seen any of the Marvel movies but I need to see Captain, and Thor for their Avengers ties...

-wingster
jeannev
Jul. 29th, 2011 03:01 am (UTC)
Wow, we're back!!

Its hard to put ones finger on it exactly, but there's a quality and cohesiveness to the first 5 seasons of SV that simply erodes from S6-on. I often think that the loss of the Kent family as a unit was one of the big problems with the decline of the show overall.

GoT is great! So very happy with how the season built as it went along. I've never had much interest in Breaking Bad. I'm not really a big fan of the anti-hero as central character in my TV shows.

I can't take Hart of Dixie seriously. Rachel Bilson looks about 18 years old, and I'm supposed to buy her as a doctor?

Definitely see Captain America. So, so good!
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