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Scion Screentime Minutes, and Thoughts

 I'm really starting to wonder if I'm judging SV eps based on their content, or if I'm judging them based on a curve against the rest of the season.  Because taken alone, and just judging it for what it was, I think I wouldn't be overly find of Scion.  But judging it against the rest of the season, and some of the horrible stuff we've gotten, I think it shakes out on the favorable side.

Lets start with the totals:

Scion, running time 41m, 35s

Clark :  19m, 47s
Lois :  13m, 24s
Tess : 11m, 10s

Lionel : 14m, 26s
Connor, the artist formerly known as Alexander : 19m, 46s

Totals to Date (# of eps)

Clark : 340m, 10s (16)
Lois :  263m, 44s (16)
Tess :  121m, 27s (12)
Oliver : 133m, 43s (13)

Chloe : 75m, 40s (7)
Lionel : 38m, 47s (3)



Now, this is a really difficult episode for me to review.  Because on one hand, it had a lot of scenes I liked, and it had a lot of POV from Clark, and it showcased Clark in a very positive way.  But, on the other hand, it was centered around a character I couldn't give a fat rats ass about, namely Alexander clone turned Conner Kent.  Now, maybe if I carried some comic book knowledge with me, or maybe if I allowed myself to get lost in the hilarity of Clark and Lex having a child together (sort of).  Or, maybe if I wanted Clark to turn into Jonathan Kent (which he was really channeling in this episode).  But, here's the truth...none of those things appeal to me overly much.  Maybe the Clex baby coming the closest.  

Let me take a step back though, and discuss some of the scenes I did like.

Clark and Tess in the very beginning.  I liked this scene a lot.  Tess and Clark's awkward shot at small talk cracked me up (in fact, more then anything I witnessed last week on the "hilarious" Hangover rip-off).  You know how so many people talk about how much they love ED and JH in scenes together, and enjoy watching Lollie interact?  Well, thats how I feel about CF and TW, and Cless scenes.  I just enjoy the vibe, I enjoy the dynamic.  I can't explain that to anyone.  It just is what it is.

I really like that Clark might be the first real friend that Tess has had in a really long time.  Do I think Tess is a little in love with Clark?  Yeah, I do, and probably more then a little.  But I think CF does a masterful job of showing that Tess really respects Clark, who he is, what he does, and who he's in love with.  So, if she's a little in love with Clark, so what?  He's freaking Superman.  In my mind, everyone SHOULD be a little in love with him.  I think he should inspire that sort of intense, deep feeling in people.  Especially someone like Tess who is desperate not only to find a place to belong, but to be redeemed.  

I also enjoyed the Tess/Lionel scenes immensely.  Look, I'm not a huge proponent of AU Lionel being back in the mix.  But I cannot deny that John Glover is just damned fun to watch.  I've missed him.  And as I had hoped, Cassidy is excellent at playing off him (in fact, she pretty much channels Rosenbaum to me).  Much like Lex would absorb the verbal blows delivered by Lionel, but we could see how they hurt, Tess does the same thing.  Its rather remarkable to me just how easily I can buy into Tess being a Luthor, and just how she clicks into that dysfunctional family tree.  I do have to give SV some kudos for that one.

I also enjoyed the first Clois scene in the kitchen for the most part.  I really loved all the POV we got from Clark on his own childhood, and his feelings of isolation and alienation.  I've always wished that the show would've spent some time to delve more deeply into just how difficult Clark's childhood must've been, instead of the way they always painted it as him having it easy because he had loving parents.  I did appreciate that this episode showed that no matter how loved Clark felt, the sting of being different still left its mark.  

Now, I do have one issue with that scene though, and thats my wish that they had allowed Lois' initial objections to get more time and POV.  Because to me, she was making a whole lot of sense.  Its in Clark's character to want to help, and take Conner in.  But I would think it would be in Lois' nature to be more wary and suspicious, and instead of having her go all doe-eyed and agree so readily (though who can blame her when Clark is giving her the "you're the only one that makes me feel normal" line), I'd have preferred to see her agree, with reservations.  Because again, as I saw it, her worries were VALID.  And the idea that Clois can never be in conflict over an issue contributes to their....well, how should I say this?....blandness?  

Another good scene, Lois and Tess.  I like the ladies working together, and I liked how Lois came up with the idea to find another way to put the screws to Lionel.  That made her look smart.

But, again, I have to call out an issue here, and thats more of the "We have to protect Clark" stuff, which I'm just going to be blunt, DO NOT WANT ANYMORE!!!  And the idea that Clark can never throw down with anyone who knows his secret and weaknesses is moronic.  Of course he can, and should.  I appreciate both Lois and Tess wanting to protect Clark, because that is realistic from both of them, however I think Lois especially should be more of the mind that she doesn't need to go behind his back to protect him.  We've seen that sort of behavior from the people in Clark's life ad nauseum, and Lois should be the character to break that vicious cycle.  Clark is a big boy now, and the people closest to him need to believe in his ability to take care of himself.

And really, it seems like everytime Lois goes undercover, she gets caught.  Its a very, very familiar scene at this point.

OK, but I'm ignoring the elephant in the room, and he had a new name.  I just do not understand the point of bringing on this character, at this point in the season.  I don't understand why I'm supposed to care about him.  I don't understand how I'm supposed to want Clark to be, essentially, a parent at this point in his life.  I don't understand how I'm supposed to be thinking that Conner is going to be living at the farm, attending Smallville High, somewhere in Offscreensville.

To me, NONE of this feels at all necessary.

One of the oddest things that SV has done this season is zoom up parts of Clark's life, while holding him back from others, like flying, or donning the suit.  His relationship with Lois went from "I love you" to "secret reveal" to "sex" to "living together" to "engaged" to "acting like they've been married for 10 years" to "parents to a teenager".  And yet they're still planning the wedding.  It just all feels so scattered and wrong to me.

While I truly did love and appreciate seeing Clark in mentor role, as he always shines when dealing with younger characters, I just couldn't shake the feeling that they just felt like something that was better suited to a different time in Clark's life.  To a time when he's been Superman for a while, and settled into his marriage with Lois.  A time when the idea of him taking on a teenage "son" just feels more right.  Our Clark is still in his early 20's.  Are we to believe that he's going to continue to live on the farm indefinitely, or at least as long as Conner's in high school?

Just none of it seems to fit.  

I'd say they were interested in a spin-off, but Conner doesn't have a vagina, so we know the CW won't want that, and also, wouldn't a show about Conner the Superboy basically be....Smallville?

Now, there are a few scenes I didn't like at all.

The Clark/Lionel scene pinged me wrong.  While I did love Clark sticking up for Lex, I HATED the way it was turned around and the responsibility for Lex dumped on Clark's shoulders (and did these writers actually use the line "secrets and lies"?).  I so thoroughly reject the implication that Clark keeping his identity from Lex turned Lex evil.  And I thought this scene opened that door far too wide without Clark coming back strong and slamming it closed.

All of the Lois/Conner stuff was just big gigantic fail for me, and overly creepy.  I think what they were trying to go for was in saying that the Red K brought out the "Lex" side of Conner, and Lex does have a history of coveting what Clark has.  However, by couching it in creepy sexual language, and then having Conner assault Lois in a way that felt a bit too graphic for me, it sort of created a picture of Conner thats damned hard to shake.  And then when you have him moving in with Clark and Lois at the end, with no discussion at all, and no POV from Lois about it, it really compounds the problem.

I understand the old SV trope "you weren't yourself".  Its been used on this show a hundred times.  But when turning it into a sexual thing in the way it was done here, I think you need to spend more time handling that at the end.  Because as it is, I'm thinking that Clark moved a superpowered teenager into the house with him and Lois who is going to be masturbating about Lois in the shower.  And ya know, but, EWWWWWWWWW!!!!

I also felt the idea that Clark wanted to withhold the truth from Conner about him being half Luthor was super contrived to create conflict.

I felt doubly disappointed by the last Clois scene because I think the subject of having children should be a much bigger topic of discussion for them then just a line thrown in there at the end.  The Clois kiss was very cute, and very sweet, but I still find the interactions between these two to be a bit too far on vanilla side for me (didn't Lois compare herself to "wild cherry" at one point?).  I guess I just like my couples a bit more on the fiery and tempestuous side.  Its just an individual preference sort of thing.

This was the initial directing effort from writer Al Septien, and I think he did a lot better then his writing partner, Turi Meyer did with Harvest.  Though I did find a number of the scenes way too dark.

A few scattered thoughts:

When has Lois ever saw Clark on Red K?  She doesn't have a memory of Crimson?  And it does far more then bring out his "inner angst"

That Kent family picture Clark showed Conner in the barn was very cute.

Great performance by Tom in this episode.  Really, everyone was good.  Such a contrast to last week.

How the hell was Lionel tracking Conner since he ran away from the Kent farm?  How does one track someone going superspeed?

At first I was bothered by Clark just letting Lionel waltz away, but then I realized what he meant about Lionel having no place to hide when we saw the next scene, and realized Tess had a plan in place to track him.  Clark and Tess must've gotten in touch at some point.

I thought when Green K got heated by heat vision, it turned into Black K.  Isn't that what happened to it in Onyx?  And if Conner made the green K explode, wouldn't there be pieces embedded in Clark?

OK, now I must run, because I have 20 minutes to get ready for dinner.  So, sorry for any typos.

Its hiatus time again.  I'll have to think of something fun to do!!!.

Comments

( 55 comments )
tasabian
Mar. 5th, 2011 11:00 pm (UTC)
I definitely think this ep benefited from placement after Fortune. This season is all about grading on the curve.

The Clark/Lionel scene pinged me wrong. While I did love Clark sticking up for Lex, I HATED the way it was turned around and the responsibility for Lex dumped on Clark's shoulders (and did these writers actually use the line "secrets and lies"?).
To me, it seemed liked the writers were deliberately discrediting that argument by having Lionel argue it. Lionel is always disingenuous, never the voice of truth on this show. I also thought the "secret and lies" was an in-joke because fans used to complain about that so much - I did get a laugh at JG saying it! (And I LOVED Clark's line about Lex.}

I thought when Green K got heated by heat vision, it turned into Black K. Isn't that what happened to it in Onyx? And if Conner made the green K explode, wouldn't there be piece embedded in Clark?
Yes and yes. I think they were trying to show that Conner had already learned a lot from Clark about controlling his abilities but that was a bad way to demonstrate it.

I think what they were trying to go for was in saying that the Red K brought out the "Lex" side of Conner, and Lex does have a history of coveting what Clark has. However, by couching it in creepy sexual language, and then having Conner assault Lois in a way that felt a bit too graphic for me
If he was really evoking Lex on RedK...his first act should have been to go after Tess & Lionel & reclaim his empire! Then back to the barn to smolder at Clark. The Lois-stuff was clumsy & evoked Lana-in-peril eps like Trespass. It was weird that Lois was apologizing at the end - when rightly, she should have been laying down the law about having Conner at the farm,

I cannot deny that John Glover is just damned fun to watch. I've missed him. And as I had hoped, Cassidy is excellent at playing off him (in fact, she pretty much channels Rosenbaum to me). Much like Lex would absorb the verbal blows delivered by Lionel, but we could see how they hurt, Tess does the same thing.
I enjoyed all the TW/CF/JG combo scenes a lot. I like that Tess isn't completely out of the "grey area", that killing Lionel is the first solution she leaps too. (Though the belly-robots were a funnier solution!)

I'd say they were interested in a spin-off, but Conner doesn't have a vagina, so we know the CW won't want that, and also, wouldn't a show about Conner the Superboy basically be....Smallville?
I did wonder if this is a test-run at a spin-off...but Conner is usually teamed with Robin, Impulse and other Teen Titans, which opens up the DC rights issues. In the comics, he is also linked to Emil - a spin-off with just LG & JA? Wonder if TW has this in mind for his production company?

And finally....Clark Luthor! Did you see the promo?
jeannev
Mar. 6th, 2011 02:45 am (UTC)
This season is one big grade on the curve. I feel like after Collateral and Fortune, I was ready to cut anything some slack.

Maybe you are right about the writers using Lionel to discredit the arguement that Clark is responsible for Lex. Still, I just bristle when I hear that.

To me, I don't really see how Red K brought out the "Lex side" of Conner, because he didn't really seem like Lex to me. He seems like Red K Clark, just far creepier.

I did think Lois being the instant object of Conner's obsession was very Lana-like.

I did see the promo. And color me surprised, because I totally did not think Clark Luthor would be making an appearance. I honestly have no clue where they are going with all this, and its probably pointless, but Clark Luthor is sure fun to watch, especially when he's making the moves on Tess. But again, like I said, TW & CF? They just do it for me.
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miss_tress
Mar. 5th, 2011 11:44 pm (UTC)
I just do not understand the point of bringing on this character, at this point in the season.
I like to think that the decision of MR coming back was made much sooner than it was announced and the decision to change the course of the clone was a result of it. Like, they had one Plan A (which involved getting MR) and Plan B (which didn't involve him).

How the hell was Lionel tracking Conner since he ran away from the Kent farm? How does one track someone going superspeed?
Lionel said there was a tracker in the ring. It might not be able to keep up with him while he was speeding but he would definitely register whenever he stopped.
wingster55
Mar. 6th, 2011 01:36 am (UTC)
That's pretty much how I feel with this character...they probably would have made him THE Lex if MR didn't agree to return..but he did so they had to do something.
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jeannev
Mar. 6th, 2011 02:48 am (UTC)
This ep really borrowed a lot from previous episodes. And I know a lot of people like the whole "parallels" thing, but personally, I'm not a fan. To me, its just a lazy way of repeating things you already did.

To me, this is a very middle of the road ep. Some good, some bad.
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jeannev
Mar. 6th, 2011 02:50 am (UTC)
Why, thank you. I'm glad you liked it. This review just flowed out of me, which was suprising.

Glover is great. He really is. No 2 ways about that. But in a season already overcrowded, did we need him? Honestly, I would vote to keep the Luthor stuff, and jettison the Darkseid stuff.

wingster55
Mar. 6th, 2011 01:46 am (UTC)
Well..I liked it. Great performances by the "Luthors" and Welling. The Conner bit does scream spinoff..but you're right..what's the difference with that and this show?
I do enjoy the story if for no other reason me being a fan of Grabeel since HSM...I mean S6.
jeannev
Mar. 6th, 2011 02:51 am (UTC)
What? Did you just say that it was a great performance by Welling? Let me pick myself up off the floor. LOL

Grabeel is very, very good. I'm shocked at how good all the young Lex's have been.
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jeannev
Mar. 6th, 2011 02:53 am (UTC)
To be blunt, Clark is just too young to be raising a teenager. Especially when he's not even Superman yet. The timing is all wrong.

All season, I've been struggling to figure out what the point of so many things are. This season is such a freaking mess. And I expect messier to come.

And sorry about putting the mental image into your mind, but its the show that had Conner eyejaculating to Lois bending over. So, blame the show for that image!
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jeannev
Mar. 6th, 2011 02:54 am (UTC)
I read that. Its a good review, though the reviewer seems bent on defending Fortune, which immediately makes him suspect in my mind. ;)
jlvsclrk
Mar. 6th, 2011 04:01 am (UTC)
Great review. Agree, agree, agree! Nothing much to add other than that Kara pulled the same trick with green K back in S7 and I had the exact same objection then. I can fanwank the green K shattering versus transforming to black K by assuming Clark was using a lower intensity beam in Onyx (since he knew about the experiment Lex had run earlier). But yes, once the rock shatters, some of the fragments SHOULD have embedded themselves in Clark. Its better than having the whole rock about but it would show that the youngsters still have something to learn.
jeannev
Mar. 6th, 2011 04:15 am (UTC)
The use of kryptonite on this show is enough to drive anyone batty. We've seen eps where Clark is able to push it away, then eps where it renders him completely immobile. We saw Clark use his freeze breath in the presence of kryptonite just a few weeks ago, but here, he can't blow the rock away from him? Hell, Clark crawled through a series of collapsing tunnels with kryptonite all around him, and didn't just lay on the floor like a slug.

Like I said, enough to make you crazy.

And you are absolutely right. They used this very same thing with Kara in Fierce. This episode did seem to be borrowing rather heavily with scenes from the past. Most intentional, and probably a few, like this one, unintentional.
foreverknightfa
Mar. 6th, 2011 05:01 am (UTC)
I'd have to admit the Connor imitation character having the DNA of BOTH Clark and Lex had me thinking of " Connor Has Two Dads" children's book.

Definitely not something the homophobes who don't like two guys being parents to the same child want to see!

Yes "Scion" has some problems as you mentioned. but on the stinkeroo--okay scale it was (to me at least better than " Stiletto", though I can honestly say it could have been better given the storyline.
jeannev
Mar. 6th, 2011 05:13 am (UTC)
Well, it is sort of amusing that the only 2 people that will have a child on the show thats from the 2 of them is Clark and Lex. LOL

If I'm looking over the whole S10, yeah, I think Scion shakes out pretty favorably. If I was looking at the episode alone? I'm not sure what I'd think about it. But it was miles better then Fortune. At least to me.
(Anonymous)
Mar. 6th, 2011 07:56 am (UTC)
Out of the latest batch of episodes, this is my favorite with Beacon second. If you put together Beacon with Scion, you'd have a Smallville movie of how Alexander became Superboy Conner Kent. They introduced Conner in a way that fits into the show and I feel Clark and Conner have connected a lot more than Clark and Kara ever did. The Clark/ Conner/ Lionel relationship was central to the episode than anything else.

The episode puts Clark in Jonathan's role as mentor while Conner is in a position Clark used to be in. I want this relationship to continue. It's also about how to deal with the truth and Conner didn't deal with it too well by speeding away that lead him to alternate Lionel.

Clark and alternate Lionel were battling over Alexander/ Conner's future that's reminiscent of how Jonathan and Lex used to battle over Clark's future in the earlier seasons.

We got to see a lot of Clark's viewpoint in this episode more than any out of the latest run of episodes. Even if Lois is concerned, it's still Clark's decision to take him under his wing and Clark is at his best when working with younger heroes. That will continue in the next few episodes.

The B-plot of the episode was Lois, Tess, and alternate Lionel when Lois does some sleuthing for Tess as she breaks into LuthorCorp office trying to find documents that would remove alternate Lionel from LuthorCorp. As usual for Lois, this gets her into trouble.

Oliver is not in this episode nor he and Chloe are needed as they're a story onto themselves that have nothing to do with Clark.

Out of Septien and Meyer's episodes this season, Scion clearly blows away Harvest. The cliffhanger at the end shows that the Darkseid plot is alive and well, but slow and thickens. Yes, I want to see a spin-off with Superboy Conner Kent.

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jeannev
Mar. 6th, 2011 04:27 pm (UTC)
I guess I just don't believe that Clark is at a point in his life where he should be taking on the Jonathan role, anymore then I think Lois should be taking on the Martha role. These are still very young characters. both of them are still learning, and growing, and evolving, and I just don't see how becoming parents to Conner is beneficial to them at this point of the show. It just doesn't strike me as a necessary development.

I agree with you on how much Clark was paralleling Jonathan here. Its just not something I wanted, or needed, to see. Maybe we all turn into versions of our parents somewhere along the way, but at 25?

Once Clark decided he and Lois were a "we", then he really can't make decisions like this without taking her concerns into account.

I do agree with you that this was a far better effort from Septien and Meyer then Harvest was. Of course, that wasn't exactly a hard thing to achieve since Harvest was pretty awful.

To me, a spin-off with Conner Kent is just Smallville, part two. I'm just not seeing why you'd spin-off something thats essentially the same show. Especially since its very, very unlikely that you'd have his parental figures in the show. I already watched one super-powered boy struggle his way through high school, while being different. I don't see the point of watching it again, only this time with a lot less of the Pretty factor. But, mileage varies.
costas22
Mar. 6th, 2011 09:46 am (UTC)
Great review yet again. And thanks for the mental image of Conner in the bathroom. That made me spit my diet coke! Don't know. I may have had low expectations after last week's debacle, but I really enjoyed this episode. Felt like the Smallville of old. Ok, that might have had to do with the many callbacks, but they are not always guaranteed to work (i.e. Ageless was also supposed to be a callback to Stray and Ryan). Some thoughts:

Well, thats how I feel about CF and TW, and Cless scenes. I just enjoy the vibe, I enjoy the dynamic. I can't explain that to anyone.

Oh I get it.:) God knows how many times I've watched that scene. Imo, Tom and Cassidy's chemistry right now is unmatched on SV. We've seen them at each other's throats, argue, kiss, be friends and even have small talks. And every time their scenes rock. On the plus side, Cassidy acting awkward and clumsy was so adorable. And on top of that, they gave us that tease for Kent. How can I wait 6 weeks? :(

I think he should inspire that sort of intense, deep feeling in people. Especially someone like Tess who is desperate not only to find a place to belong, but to be redeemed.

Absolutely. No matter what TPTB might have in store for Tess romantically, it's what Zod said last year. Clark rules her mind. Does she love him? In her way. He is the guy she looks up to. The guy she can't disappoint. At times, I felt like she was his groupie, lol. Didn't like that she didn't tell him about the Beacon cliffhanger though. And then she told Lionel that it's not who she was. Whatevs.

I also enjoyed the Tess/Lionel scenes immensely.

Me too. I always knew that JG and CF would click well together. You are right about her absorbing Lionel's insults like Lex. It's also where she is different compared to AU Tess. She didn't let him get to her and eventually turned the tables. In short, it was great to have my girl back in Scion. I missed her since Luthor.

I really loved all the POV we got from Clark on his own childhood, and his feelings of isolation and alienation.

All things considering, this wasn't a bad episode at all for Clark. I didn't expect him to get 20 minutes of ST (since he was directing the next epi) or to get so much of his perspective. That was nice to see and kudos to Al and Turi there. of course, he was held back in the fight scenes with Conner, but I could chalk that down to him refusing to hurt the boy.

But, again, I have to call out an issue here, and thats more of the "We have to protect Clark" stuff, which I'm just going to be blunt, DO NOT WANT ANYMORE!!!

Didn't like that. And it felt like Tess suggested murder there. But, here's where it gets good. Clark doesn't feel guilty about it and Lois apologises for going behind him and putting both their lives at stake. That's the way it should be. Like she said. She knew what she was getting when she agreed to marry him.

OK, but I'm ignoring the elephant in the room, and he had a new name.

Didn't get interested in Conner hey? I didn't mind him tbh. Like others have said, it seems this was their Plan B in case MR returned. So I prefer this end for him rather than becoming the real Lex. Clark acting like Jonathan was nice to see. It's just that we already saw it with Kara 3 years ago. At least his arc ends here. As for him and Lois, the scene went too far, but I get the feeling that he was trying to choke her and not rape her. That doesn't absolve him of anything, but I feel that fans are more harsh on Conner than they were on Clark when he was on Red K. He is a teenager. And like Clark when he was a teenager on Red K, he lost the plot when he felt betrayed by a friend or a woman. Hell, when I saw Lois in the barn even I started getting my heat vision ready, lol. She looked really beautiful.

Are we to believe that he's going to continue to live on the farm indefinitely, or at least as long as Conner's in high school?

Yeah, that was weird. It may be something temporary. Don't forget that Clark will probably leave the farm for good pretty soon. I could see Conner living with Martha at the farm.
jeannev
Mar. 6th, 2011 04:44 pm (UTC)
I cannot believe that I'm the only person who *went there* with Conner, and his Lois lust. LOL

I re-watched the first Cless scene a few times too, and I just adore them together. Even in a scene where both actors are playing awkward smalltalk (which was very amusing), there is just such an ease to the way the scene flows. But things like this are intangible, and a matter of unique perception. This is just mine, and yours ;)

I am looking forward to them having more scenes together, so *fingers crossed* that we get some good stuff for these actors.

One of the complaints I have never understood is "Why is everyone hot for Clark?" Well, Duh! Why wouldn't they be? Of course he's going to be the sort of man that is going to inspire that sort of desire, and devotion. Jesus Christ, shouldn't he be? I have no problems at all understanding why Lois loves him, or why Lana loved him, or why Chloe loved his for so long, or why Tess may very well be in love with him, or why Zatanna wanted to mack on him, or why Maxima came across a galaxy for him.

He's freaking Superman. He looks like Tom Welling. He's heroic, and awesome. Damn straight the ladies should be all up in his grill. And yeah, I'll go there, some of the men too!!

I've seen a lot of complaints about Lois apologizing for being attacked. But what I saw was Lois apologizing for going behind Clark's back to "protect him", which Clark pretty quickly absolved her of once he said that "we all go to extremes to protect the people we love" (or something like that). I do get the upset over nothing being addressed in regards to Lois being kidnapped and attacked by Conner though.

In a lot of ways, I feel like they are trying to redo the Kara stuff (which they screwed up), but much like I felt then, I just don't believe its necessary to introduce that element into Clark's life when OTH, you are trying to suggest that Clark has still not come fully into his own. It feels like a real disconnect.

I'm not sure Conner would've raped Lois either, but they sure did go pretty far into the creepy factor. He was most definitely talking about them being together, and her belonging to him now. I mean, I assume thats going to include sex in his mind.

I think fans are more forgiving of Clark on Red K because 1. we just knew Clark a lot better as his normal self, so we could really appreciate the contrast between the personalities, and 2. the only time Red K was forceful with a female, it was Lana, and she was kind of into it.

But, I think the first point is the most important. We knew Clark pre-Red K. We don't really know Conner, and just a few eps ago, he was Alexander, and tried to shoot Martha Kent. I think its natural that viewers would feel less inclined to forgive and forget when he gets so creepy and rough on Red K.

Honestly, I see no good alternative for Conner, which is why I object to him being there in the first place. Either Clark and Lois play parent to him, and stay on the Smallville farm. Or Clark and Lois move to Metropolis, and Martha comes home to take care of him, but I'd be uncomfortable with that since Martha has no relationship with this kid, and would be quite vulnerable if he flipped out. Honestly, I think the best option is for him to be living with Tess. Tess as his caretaker just makes the most sense.
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tjw_jaypat
Mar. 6th, 2011 11:52 am (UTC)
Though Clark was written comparatively well, (which means compared to the bad episodes before) I still feel that this episode was another waste from my Clark-oriented perspective. What did it show about Clark that we haven´t known before? We saw in Stray, Ryan, Ageless, and Fragile, for example, what a caring guy Clark is. So I don´t see that this episode added anything to his development. Clark may have some more experience, but that doesn´t change the essence. It just gave Lionel something to do.

Annoying to me is that Clark´s powers were constantly underused. He talks about Conner in the kitchen knowing that he has superpowers and could overhear it. He doesn´t woosh into the mansion but walks in calling out for Lois and Conner, thus warning everyone about his arrival. He lets Lionel walk away, although it wouldn´t be a problem for two superspeedies to catch him. And, the worst, Clark gets thrown around like a ragdoll by a guy who is less experienced with his powers, who is shorter and weighs less. Even in the superpowers realm a bigger guy should be stronger than a smaller one. I know that they probably do it for the effects, but I think it´s wrong because I don´t want to see a teenie hurling around the guy who is supposed to be Superman in just 7 episodes. This is just one of the many things that will make the finale a lightswitch to me.
jeannev
Mar. 6th, 2011 04:49 pm (UTC)
I agree with you that this didn't really advance Clark's story at all. You're right, we've seen this from him before. And yes, maybe he was even more fatherly and mature then ever, but I guess I just really feel strongly that I don't think Clark should be turned into Jonathan Kent with superpowers. And thats the vibe I get from this storyline.

Not only did Clark have a conversation that Conner overheard, its the EXACT SAME THING THEY DID WITH KARA in S7, when she overheard Clark and Martian Manhunter talking. Its like these writers are unable to have an original thought.

I didn't mind so much Clark letting Conner throw him around, because I got the impression Clark was letting him get some of that out of his system before he used force on him. But the rest of the things you point out? Right on point. And its really frustrating that they do this kind of thing all the damned time. But this is what you get when you have writers that are really mediocre, and a budget thats slashed so deeply.
canadabear
Mar. 6th, 2011 01:40 pm (UTC)
I thought when Green K got heated by heat vision, it turned into Black K. Isn't that what happened to it in Onyx? And if Conner made the green K explode, wouldn't there be pieces embedded in Clark?

Haven't read other comments so I don't know if anyone's brought this up, but as per "Fierce", green K explodes under heat vision. In fact, it's exactly what Kara did to save Clark in that episode. And we all bitched about the discontinuity from "Onyx" back then, too.
jeannev
Mar. 6th, 2011 04:50 pm (UTC)
Yeah, someone else pointed that out. And I know its just one of those things that you have to roll your eyes about, and move on. I doubt any of the current writers have any recollection at all of what happened in Onyx.
goodvibe
Mar. 6th, 2011 01:55 pm (UTC)
I feel like going back and adding at the end of my review just now - "or, you know, just go read Jeannev's because she says it much better than I managed" - heh! ;-)

I do believe we're instinctively grading now on a curve. That was my reaction too - 'better than last week's, in some parts as good as Beacon, but no way as good as Masquerade' as far as the 2nd half of the season goes so far.

I love how you've described the Clark/Tess scenes. I think the show did well in remembering the establishing of their friendship from back in 'Luthor.' That was such a significant moment, for both characters, for different reasons.

//I do have to give SV some kudos for that one.//

This Tess-is-a-Luthor revelation has been one of the things this season has genuinely gotten right. I'm enjoying this Luthor storyline.

//my wish that they had allowed Lois' initial objections to get more time and POV. Because to me, she was making a whole lot of sense.//

True. I hadn't fully thought about this, because honestly, I was a little fuzzy on the end too - is Connor really staying with them?! Because, yes, I agree, that would not only be a little disturbing in itself but disturbing as to how Lois would agree to it?!

//Clark is a big boy now, and the people closest to him need to believe in his ability to take care of himself.//

And in his ability to help them and the overall plan, whatever it may be, too. I did like that Lois recognized the fundamental flaw in her not telling Clark here though.

//I just do not understand the point of bringing on this character, at this point in the season.//

Neither do I. It almost seems to me as if there might've been a rewrite that happened along the way once MR agreed to return.

//And I thought this scene opened that door far too wide without Clark coming back strong and slamming it closed.//

I actually didn't feel as if this scene did so, because I got the feeling we were supposed to think Lionel was crazycakes, but what murkied the waters for me was the last Clark/Conner scene which sounded too much like some of the earlier stuff e used to get with 'Clark' lies pushed Lana to Lex' or 'pushed Lex' away, etc.
jeannev
Mar. 6th, 2011 04:58 pm (UTC)
I haven't read your review yet, but were we sharing the brain again?

Honestly, looking back at this season thus far, I think there's only one episode that I think we put together well, front to back, and thats Ambush. Every else in just a mix of good and bad, with far too many episodes having so much more bad then good. This ep tips a little towards the good for me, but I completely recognize the flaws. In that regard, it feels like Luthor to me. An episode that has a lot of scenes I enjoy, but I'm not sure the central theme of the episode is necessary at all, and I can understand how people have issues with it.

To me, Tess is the character that has the best storyline this season. And CF has been the most consistent actor throughout.

I think a lot of people are seeing this whole Alexander/Conner thing as some sort of backup plan for Lex, or in case MR didn't come back. But thats a shitty way to write the final season of a show. I really can't put into words how absolutely AWFUL I think Souders/Peterson's handling of this final season has been. This should've been the best season of the show ever and its just not.

I'm glad that others saw the Clark/Lionel scene differently from me. I know I'm overly sensitive in this area, so maybe I didn't read it right.
la_belle_isa
Mar. 6th, 2011 04:38 pm (UTC)
I agree with your review. I found it average, but when an episode is not offensive (to me at least), that's all I'm asking for.
//I don't understand how I'm supposed to be thinking that Conner is going to be living at the farm, attending Smallville High, somewhere in Offscreensville.//
That's really weird. They're opening a new world and just leave it open. I hope they're gonna get serious in the last stretch, although with Booster, I doubt it. It just dawned on me that they probably placed that ep near the finale to get the extra boost in ratings.
jeannev
Mar. 6th, 2011 05:00 pm (UTC)
Right?!?! Thats it exactly. We're left judging episodes by "Well, at least that didn't offend me, crap on Clark, or insult my intelligence too much". What a way to judge the final season of a show that you've watched for a long time.

I just do not see how this show can right itself in the eps left. You mention Booster, but we also have more guest actors coming in that are a bit on the WTF? side. It just sounds like a total mess.

I just hope they don't offend me, crap on Clark, or insult my intelligence too much.
awehla
Mar. 6th, 2011 05:10 pm (UTC)
In the comic books Conner doesn't get introduced until Clark is Superman and in fact Superman doesn't like him much at first and is very wary. There are scenes where Superboy is all like when can I meet Superman and Superman is avoiding him. Because to have a genetic offspring with your enemy when you and your wife can't conceive is pretty f-ed up.

I thought Conner was going to try to rape Lois. I like darkness in drama but that doesn't fit in with Smallville at all. Lois would be scared of Conner in real life but in Smallville logic it just gets forgotten.

I like my couples more fiery too and I think the having children conversation was very presumptious on Lois's side. Clark is from another galaxy and she can't assume they will be able to conceive naturally if at all. Damn normal humans have enough problems getting pregnant! If I was writing it I would have them assume they can't have children or have Clark have to break it to Lois as it's possible she wouldn't have thought about it because to her Clark is a man not an alien. I guess because in Superman Returns they had a kid the Smallville writers thought it would be OK. Personally I would think Jor-El could probably wave a magic wand and make it possible in the SV universe.

I always wonder about Kryptonite exploding and whether it gets embedded in Clark but I guess he dematerialises it to the point where it just vanishes into thin air.

One silly thing I thought of watching this is why did Mirror Lionel call his Clark Clark? Clark is Martha's maiden name so surely Lionel would have called his Clark something else like Julian perhaps or Lucas since neither of them were mentioned in the Mirror Universe.

Lisa
x

jeannev
Mar. 6th, 2011 05:26 pm (UTC)
Now see, that comic book introduction? Makes so much more sense then what SV did. Its just the wrong storyline at the wrong time, I think.

Here's the thing, whether one believes Conner was going to rape Lois, or not, he was clearly menacing, creepy and his intentions did have a sexual vibe to them. Which makes them really, really not OK. Which makes the whole "Oh, no big deal" at the end a major WTF?

I don't know why they had Lois throw in that line about kids. We never even got any indication from Lois that she wanted kids, or had thought about it. Its really too big a conversation to be treated as a throwaway line at the end of an episode.

They never explained why AU Lionel named his Clark "Clark". Just because....a Wizard Did It! Its another one of those SV Logic kind of things.
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(Anonymous)
Mar. 7th, 2011 06:56 pm (UTC)
Hey Val! :D

Excellent review my friend. Good to see you back in form. LOL. Scion was a good episode if comparing to this seasons standards, or many other episodes during the Souders/Peterson era.

First, I agree, I liked that opening Tess/Clark scene. I think that they have always had a unique chemistry with eachother. The Tess/Lionel interactions were very well done. I liked how Lois was used this episode, except of course, when she was being tossed and slammed around by ConnEr (I now know that it's with an E). Clark was given good characterization, which has indeed been the exception, and I liked how he was trying to mentor Conner.

Now, on to some of the issues. The one that clearly stands out is how there wasn't a minute given to address what Conner put Lois through towards the end of the episode. I personally thought that they went a bit too far with Conner forcing himself onto Lois, but I could've let it go if Conner took the initiative to approach Lois there in the barn and a short scene was given that would have at least tried to correct some of the damage that was done. That was not handled well at all, and I guess that we're supposed to assume that Lois is understanding of the situation because of all of the experiences that she's been through on the show. But hey, we got Lois mentioning her and Clark potentially having kids of their own followed by a "Clois" kiss, so it's OK, I guess.

A nitpick that I had that stood out from the rest is how Clark, when confronted with someone that has powers, is constantly shown being tossed around as if he were still in high school. Why do they need to keep showing Clark tossed around so much? This is the point in the series - now very near the end - that Clark needs to be shown as being more of a physical force. I'm sure that he knows how to block and dodge at least, but no, let's watch the eventual Superman getting thrown around by a teenager. I know that Clark was holding himself back, but come on already, it's a bit ridiculous by this point.

Another thing that I thought would've been good for the Conner/Clark scene at the end, was Clark reassuring Conner that it wasn't JUST the Lex side of him that caused him to behave that way while under Red K. Clark knows himself what he's capable of when exposed to Red K, and I thought that there should've been a little more said than "everyone having their own shadows", or something like that. It came off like as if Conner was going to screw up in the future, that it's his Lex side that will be responsible, and I don't think that that's a fair message.

I definitely agree, that both, Lionel and Conner are unnecessary to be dealing with this final season. This is not at all what I'd imagined for this season since I still think that there's a good deal of development that should be afforded to Clark, since you know, he's only the most important character on the series. I like Conner, but this should probably not have happened until a little later in Clark's life. That being said, Conner and Lionel are probably the more interesting things to happen this season since so many other things have fallen about as flat as Clark falling from the roof of that building in Lazarus.

Scotch being laced with nanotrackers? Tess is sneaky. LOL

You're right, how did Lionel track Conner down before he'd put the ring on? Plothole?

Another thing. How did Clark know about what went on with that vial of blood that Helen Bryce had? He said that it was stolen by Lex and used to help create Conner, but how does he know that? As far as I can remember, that vial was used by Lionel after Helen sold it out to him so that he could use the platelets for a cure to his liver disease. Even after that, the vial was still full enough and was then destroyed by Jonathan in Phoenix. I'll have to watch those earlier seasons again some time.

Anyway, though Scion was a decent/good episode, it was only made possible by copying elements from past episodes. That tells me that these showrunners have been creatively bankrupt and desperate, since they've already copied from a few films this season. I liked the callbacks, but they were completely unnecessary like so many other things this season.

Matt

jeannev
Mar. 7th, 2011 07:10 pm (UTC)
I thought about trying to find out how to spell Conner's name correctly, then I thought to myself "why do I care?" LOL Why should I put more thought into the character then TPTB do.

*bitter* LOL

I completely agree with you, and others, that what happened to Lois not being addressed was just a complete Fail! And I'm no fan of the way they handled her just running from the room, and then she was forgotten. How odd was that?

I think SV has a very tired way of showing action on this show. Its always the same thing when Clark encounters someone with his powers. He ends up getting tossed. I don't have a huge problem with it, but its tiresome. I think I'm more tired of Clark laying next to a piece of kryptonite and not being able to bat it away when WE'VE SEEN HIM DO THIS!! Its so damned inconsistent.

I think the case of Lionel is really a difficult thing to process, because he's really, really unnecessary. But every other "villian" arc the show has going on is such a failure, that I can't help but be glad to see a villian with charisma and menace showing up. Again, its like you have to judge things on a sliding scale.

I figure, somewhere in Offscreensville, Tess was able to piece together what Lex did, and how he did it, and she informed Clark of all that. Which is how he'd know about the Helen Bryce stuff. But even back then, the show was muddled, so even if you re-watch it, I doubt you'll be able to piece it back together perfectly. Its just that back then, the show was so much more entertaining (and had much better production values), so one was more likely to forgive its shortcomings.

I have a new theory this week. With the revelation that Septien/Meyer are joining the writing staff of Vampire Diaries, and in fact, have already begun working on it, I now strongly suspect that the laziness and sloppiness of this season can be tied back to the writing staff being more concerned with filling out applications and securing other gigs then concentrating on what they were doing.
(Anonymous)
Mar. 8th, 2011 01:19 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I guess in the end, it really doesn't matter what becomes of Conner. He was ultimately just another character that DC got live action exposure out of and that went to take more focus off of Clark anyway. I'm convinced that DC has been running this show since Season 8 and Souders/Peterson have just been following orders except when it comes to the romantic relationships aspect.

I forgot to mention this before, but Lois/Clark really do come off as a couple that has been married for years. I brought this up a few months ago, but if a viewer has missed Harvest/Ambush, they'd have no clue that Lois/Clark have had "bonding time". They both have just been reduced to eye candy and "looking pretty". Very, very boring.

Your theory about the writers makes a lot of sense. I've said a few times by now that it appears as if they've been in vacation mode for a while, but it makes sense that they are now more concerned with follow-up opportunities rather than finishing this series off in a half decent way. I've known for a good while that they really haven't cared about Clark on this series, and this final season is proof of that. The MO seems to be to deliver the "Clois", toss in as many DC characters as possible, and then maybe give something for Clark to do in the finale. I'll watch until the end anyway, but I've already figured Season 10 to be the worst season ever - yes, even worse than what went down in Season 8, which I didn't think could have ever been possible.

jeannev
Mar. 8th, 2011 02:41 pm (UTC)
I think the reason S10 will go down as one of the worst seasons for me is because its a gigantic disappointment. And the final season of a show is NOT the time to suck. Yeah, maybe S6, S7 & S8 were worse, but they weren't the last, which meant there was always time to come back from those. But this is it. And this is what they deliver? I'm constantly amazed at how inept they are.

Like you, if I hadn't seen Harvest and Ambush, I don't know that I'd assume that Clark and Lois were having sex. Because they never, ever give of that "Oh, I can't wait to get you alone..." vibe. Ever.
agentobrian
Mar. 12th, 2011 09:00 pm (UTC)
Average ST:

Clark- 21m, 16s
Lois- 16m, 29s
Tess- 10m, 7s
Oliver- 10m, 17s

Yeah.... no excuse for the lateness, except I'm just lazy.

While I like Tess getting double digits 2 eps in a row, I hate Lois getting so close to 300. As I've said before, no one, not even my Chloe, should hit that mark except for Clark.
jeannev
Mar. 13th, 2011 05:03 am (UTC)
No excuses necessary. I'm just glad you still do the averages :)

I pretty much knew going into this season, and after last, that Lois was going to have a very high screentime. With such a small cast, it was pretty much inevitable.
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