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Hi Folks.  Glad to see that so many people seemed to really love this episode. :)

For the first time, in a very long time, there won't be any review for an episode coming from me.  Having thought it over for a while, I just decided that I wasn't going to be *that* person this week.  That person who harshs anyones Squee because they weren't really Squee'ing.  Which isn't to say that there wasn't stuff in this episode I liked.  There was, quite a bit.  But, there was also stuff I didn't like, and that also was not insubstantial.

Its sort of like this....Its like your looking at the sky with everyone, and the people all around you are talking about how they've never seen a blue that vibrant before, with flecks of silver sparkles, and tones of sapphire and turquoise, making it the most cerulean blue that has ever existed...and you are the one people sitting there thinking "Well, yeah, its an OK blue".  Makes you start thinking that there's something wrong with your vision.

But, I still did the screentime totals.  Just an FYI, I did not compute, or factor in, character that appear in flashbacks only.  If the scene already appeared on SV, its already been counted. 

Homecoming, running time 41m, 29s (Previously On:  50s)

Clark : 35m, 13s (with an extra 54s for Future Clark)*
Lois:  23m, 26s
Oliver:  4m, 23s

Brainaic 5:  11m, 15s

*2nd highest screentime for Clark that I've calculated, but Labyrinth is still the champ

Year To Date

Clark:  94m, 32s (4)
Lois:  60m, 37s (4)
Tess:  11m, 45s (2)
Oliver:  23m, 51s (4)


Next weeks SV looks Cheestastic!

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tasabian
Oct. 17th, 2010 03:33 am (UTC)
Well, I want to know what you think so send me a pm! I expect we had some of the same stumbling blocks. The squee is nice. It's good to see people happy with SV again, after last week's disappointment.
svfan01
Oct. 17th, 2010 04:25 am (UTC)
If I had to point out negatives.

1. Most the great stuff in the episode was built on the shoulders of bad plots. I think I pointed out last week it felt like the show was building up not so pure of heart Clark specifically for this episode.

2. Having Clark see his future sort of ruins the journey getting to that point

3. Some might take offense to the writers sort of making pot shots at the fans(Punch Bowl Maddie and Ollie comment about online bloggers and critics)

Personally it didn't bug me, but I am not in the greatest.episode.bandwagon mainly for reason #1, #2 has minimal effect for me and I found point #3 funny. Very good episode overall, borderline top 25 for me but I won't be blinded by the stuff that built up to the episode to make the episode work
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(Anonymous)
Oct. 17th, 2010 04:54 am (UTC)
After a disastrous episode last week, Homecoming moved Clark forward in more ways than one - he had to let go of his past, which included Jonathan Kent's death, he had to see the future in order to overcome his fears of it, he provided support of Oliver's recent actions, and told Lois ILY and vice-versa, along with floating. It's a good thing we didn't see future Clark in the Superman suit because that could potentially detract from the series finale. Future Clark possesses leadership and authority that befits Superman. He's a cross between George Reeves and Dean Cain's versions more than Christopher Reeve and Brandon Routh's versions.
jeannev
Oct. 17th, 2010 03:52 pm (UTC)
Yes, I agree with you that there was forward momentum. My reservations were in how they achieved it.
wingster55
Oct. 17th, 2010 05:26 am (UTC)
Very interested in your thoughts...I have been "that guy" and wasn't one who thought it was the greatest ep ever.
I think it was a good stepping stone if the rest of the season takes the ball and runs with it...if not it's a failure imo.
jeannev
Oct. 17th, 2010 03:53 pm (UTC)
I read some of your comments, and I admire you speaking your mind, no matter how popular, or unpopular :) But I couldn't disagree more with you on the actors performances, particularly Tom's. I thought he was amazing.
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serenography
Oct. 17th, 2010 06:03 am (UTC)
Totally respect your decision to do whatever you feel comfortable with but, know this: I don't ever have to agree with you, or feel you have to agree with me to want to read your thoughts on an episode. I read your reviews because I respect your perspective, even on those things that we don't agree on - and there are a few. Don't even get me started on Alicia. ;)



jeannev
Oct. 17th, 2010 03:55 pm (UTC)
Oh, I know that! I hope no one thinks that I was afraid that my flist would shun me, or anything like that. I didn't. Its just that so many people were so happy with this, that I just feel like there must be something broken with my SV-enjoy-o-meter, and its not worth going into. I think I'm just coming to some conclusions, sadly, and I'm not sure how much there is to discuss about it.

I'm not wording any of this well. Let me put it this way...this episode seemed to make SO MANY people happy, and it made me sad. How messed up is that?
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(Anonymous)
Oct. 17th, 2010 07:36 am (UTC)
Thanks for the screen time. Disappointed that you didn't do a review because I didn't really enjoy this episode and I always enjoy reading your opinion. But I understand why you didn't.
jeannev
Oct. 17th, 2010 03:56 pm (UTC)
Thanks :) Right now, I'm not entirely sure what the future of my reviews is.
tjw_jaypat
Oct. 17th, 2010 10:59 am (UTC)
Aww, pity that there is no review... Isn´t your reputation ruined anyway? lol So another critical review wouldn´t change much. ;)))

So let me jump in with some complaints. Of course the problematic stuff was packaged so nicely that it was easy to overlook the bullshit underneath the sugar-coating.

The future scenes bugged me the most. They were hilarious, for sure. But what was the message? Clark once again needs to be shown what he beomes in order to become the man he is supposed to become. Hmm? So 9 years of storystelling on SV quite obviously was not enough to deliver all that. Likewise, with future Clark: why are they showing us a future Clark that has nothing to do with the Clark I´ve watched for almost 10 years on this show? And I bet we won´t see Clark like that until the end of the season. I guess I was a fool, expecting that SV might show us *all* of Clark´s development, so that we shall see the real final product in the series finale. So there will be lots of offscreen development in the future. See, writers, that happens when you waste 10 years with bullshit instead of focusing on Clark!

Clark being a bad friend? Poor Ollie. Maybe you should have apologized for your back-stabbing? And maybe Ollie should learn that friendship is not a one-way street. Ollie´s presence was totally superfluous in this episode. Ollie, you are not a hero, you are stlll a murderer and arrogant back-stabber!

The writing did Lois no favor either. It was a little painful to see her so deluded that 5 days at school would make her well known enough to be remembered. And although she was written nicely supportive in the future, I am still afraid that she may be portrayed as the midwife of Clark´s final step. Because, as we know, Clark can´t have an idea of his own. Oh, and now he doesn´t need any because he has seen his future after all... What a cheap cop out!

Anyway, since I´ve long decided that the only reason I watch this show is Tom, I sure had to enjoy a lot! And Homecoming will always be special to me because it was the episode they shot when I was visiting this summer. So this gets them a bonus point. :)


jeannev
Oct. 17th, 2010 04:02 pm (UTC)
Isn´t your reputation ruined anyway?

Yes, yes I believe it is. The big meanie, Clark defending, non-shipping ogre that I am. LOL

I thought the future scenes were a lot of fun. I think the circumstances in which they occured was very unfortunate for Clark's storyline, evolution and final destination. But, I guess I should be happy that guarantees of his future have made him happy. I wish someone could show up and guarantee me of a happy future so I could just relax and live in the moment. I wonder how much all of us would benefit from that.

I realize now that SV's Clark Kent will never get the writing I think he deserves. I still love him like crazy, but the show has made it impossible for me to feel satisfied with his endpoint given the steps they took along the journey. And its really hard to write a review when you feel resigned more then anything else.

The Oliver stuff was straight-up bullshit!

I did think Lois was written very well in this. Almost too well. She's like the perfect girlfriend/wife.

Tom was wonderful in this though, and nothing wrong with seeing all that Clark!
ladygawain
Oct. 17th, 2010 11:11 am (UTC)
I know that I would love to read your thoughts. Even if I may not agree with some of them, I respect and enjoy your perspective, and often times it helps me to look at things in a different light. Totes respect your decision not to though :).

Even as there was much for me, as a Clark, Lois, Clois and Supes fan to squeal about, I do think there are several valid criticisms to be made of this. For me, one of them: I'm uncomfortable with Clark being 'spoilered' for his future in some ways. It complicates the idea of true free choice in his case and also fudges the whole point of the show, seeing the journey towards that future, ugh I'm trying not to think too hard as I know it'll annoy me but if you have any deep thoughts on that, I would love to read them :) perhaps it will help me gain clarity. Also, very much hope that this is the last of Clark's spirit guides or whatever, the ones in the first three episode proved useless and irritating (except for Jonathan obviously) and really, I think our boy can do it on his own - so no more PSW, no more please.

Thank you, though, for the ST minutes, I was very curious to know, especially Clark's. How wonderful was it to have so much of him on our screens? It should be that way always!

See you around *waves*
jeannev
Oct. 17th, 2010 04:05 pm (UTC)
First of all, LMAO at your icon.

Thanks for the kind words. I hope I didn't give anyone the impression that I thought my lj friends would shun me or anything. Oh, I'm sure some people would get a stick up their ass if I posted a less then glowing review, but most people would be cool.

I just didn't want to.

For me, one of them: I'm uncomfortable with Clark being 'spoilered' for his future in some ways.

YES to this. So much. In fact, the entire construct of this episode was very troubling for me, but it does speak to a certain mindset for these writers, and apparently, a chosen direction for every, single major decision Clark makes in his life. I'm just resigned to it now. But still disappointed that the show didn't go another way.

And well, I still have Salvation. :)
jwm_rocks
Oct. 17th, 2010 12:26 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the screen time -- with Clark hanging around watching everyone all the time I actually thought Clark would have been higher.

Overall I liked it. A lot better than Reckoning and part of the reason I liked it is it set may main complaint against Reckoning right. I'm glad Clark doesn't blame himself for Jonathon's death anymore. That's been a long time coming.

One of my biggest issues was the use of Brainiac 5. JM is great but really wouldn't Jonathon have made a much better spirit guide?

And while the shedding of guilt for the past is very welcome it's the assurance of a bright future that sits a bit uneasy for me.

I know swapping Braniac 5 for Jonathon would bring immediate comparisons to Lexmas -- but regardless who served as Clark's guide I think those comparisons are valid -- and for me unavoidable. Why should be Clark afforded a version of the future where the woman he loves alive and well while Lex is shown a version where he's powerless to save Lana? Kind of makes it look like fate is playing with a stacked deck. How would Clark have reacted if instead of saving Lois in 2017 he'd watched her die, completely powerless to save her?

I want to see a Clark determined to do the right thing because that's what he wants to do even though he knows sometimes it won't work out great for him personally. I don't want him determined to do right because someone showed him that a future of doing so will be a bowl of cherries.

And no Tess? I guess since Brainiac didn't see fit to point out how Clark could be treating her better it means she's evil evil. And I miss having her on the screen.
jeannev
Oct. 17th, 2010 04:12 pm (UTC)
Tom is really on screen for most of the episode. You're right, it does seem like it should've been more. Maybe I should doublecheck my numbers.

Totally agree that this ep was a lot more entertaining then Reckoning.

I'm not sure that the idea of a spirit guide would've been more palatable for me, no matter who it was. Especially one that TELLS as much as he shows.

I hadn't thought of the comparisons to Lexmas, but wow, what a good point. I do think this episode raises some very, very serious questions that are largely being ignored or dismissed. Would Clark have become Superman without this visit to the future? Future Clark said no. Would Clark have worked through his past issues without B5 showing up to remind him, tell him where he was wrong, and tell him how to fix it? Seems like No. Would Clark have made things work with Lois? Again, probably not.

Is that a good message?

I just wish I had someone to show up, hold my hand, tell me how to work through my past issues, tell me how to interact with people in the present, and assure me that my future was all sunshine and roses. Sure would take a load off of my mind.

I miss Tess.

This ep actually missed SO MANY things that would've made its message resonate more. The biggest of all? Lex, and Clark's rather complicated relationship with him.

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la_belle_isa
Oct. 17th, 2010 12:54 pm (UTC)
I completely understand your decision. More then you know. I liked big parts of the episode, but I wish I could be swayed again by the magic, which didn't happen. I also wish that Clark's "progress" will show in future episodes which is not at all a given on that show. We'll see.
And oh, I have to say this because I'm a mean person: Clark punishing Oliver with his silence? PUH-LEASE!! ROFL ROFL.
jeannev
Oct. 17th, 2010 04:14 pm (UTC)
There was definitely stuff to like. The episode was well done in so many ways. But, I think, at the end of the way, it was built on a bad decision.

As I said before, the Oliver stuff was straight-up bullshit.
netlynn
Oct. 17th, 2010 01:15 pm (UTC)
I have to agree with Rene. I always love reading your thoughts, even when I don't always agree with them. A lot of times I can read something from your perspective and think 'yeah! I can totally see that, or I didn't even think about it that way.'

I've been behind on new shows as of late so I've been avoiding poking my head in on your weekly recaps until later, but I did want you to know that I always make a point of hearing what you thought.

jeannev
Oct. 17th, 2010 04:16 pm (UTC)
Thanks so much. I did know that my flist friends would be understanding and supportive of my opinion, no matter how it differed from theirs. I guess I just didn't want to be the person that made anyone question their squee'ing.

Not sure what the future of my SV reviews is, but I'll still be talking about other shows. I hope we find more shows in common.
carolandtom
Oct. 17th, 2010 01:28 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the totals! I wish Clark had this much onscreen time always. What a difference it makes when he does!

I was looking for your comments and missing them! I totally understand and respect your decision, but I wish I could have read your review. I have several complaints about this ep too, including the stupid part about Oliver. To me, it's been a mistake to have him as a regular and that's getting more and more obvious. The writers seem not to know what to do with the character and everything they come up with is detrimental to Clark. Imo, Oliver's storylines are a waste of onscreen time and a disservice to Clark.

I share others' concern about Clark witnessing his own future (though I must confess that the meeting of the two Clarks gave me a thrill!)

If you want to share your thoughts privately, I'd love to get them.
jeannev
Oct. 17th, 2010 04:18 pm (UTC)
So wonderful to see so much of him, wasn't it?

Ugh, the Oliver stuff. I really have no words that aren't curses.

How can more then one Tom at a time ever be a bad thing? LOL

I'll try and send you a PM with some thoughts. Right now, I'm not sure how much more I want to delve into it.
goodvibe
Oct. 17th, 2010 03:24 pm (UTC)
Why should you feel you're harshing anyone's squee in your lj. Or that you should form the content of your lj to accomodate others. It's great if people read, and then proceed to agree or disagree, but what you think - your opinion should form your content. Nothing else should determine that.

Ok, I'm off my soap box now. ;-)

I was just especially looking forward to reading your review on ::this:: one. I mean, I always enjoy reading your reviews, regardless, but since I just finished writing my own, and took a quick glance at my friends list before starting with my comments/replies to the entries, I could sort of already tell that maybe I wasn't so in love with it as everyone else. I also didn't flat out not like it, in fsct, there was quite a bit I liked a lot, but I couldn't get certain things out of my head to enjoy the moments fully that I actually did even like. Am I explaining that well, I don't know!

But yeah, if you do decide to share your thoughts, you know I always love to read them, whether it's here in your own lj, or you want to drop by mine.

//Next weeks SV looks Cheestastic!//

From here on out I'm pretty much completely unspoiled, so I have no idea what to expect. Yay? Heh!
jeannev
Oct. 17th, 2010 04:23 pm (UTC)
Oh, you give me chills when you get all speech-y! LOL

I know that I can say whatever I want in my journal, and I don't really pressured to keep quiet. I just decided that I didn't want to write that review, because I feel like if I started writing it, I'd have to start writing about how I feel like my hopes for the show are sort of, well, gone. I think this episode made me realize that this show will never write Clark in the manner I believe he should be written. I had such high hopes after Salvation, but now I realize, they were foolish hopes. They have one prominent M.O., and this episode was very much in that vein.

So, I decided to skip the review. Because I have 18 more eps to get through, and if I delve too deeply into it, I'm not sure how much enjoyment I could squeeze out of the show for the rest of its run.

I could sort of already tell that maybe I wasn't so in love with it as everyone else. I also didn't flat out not like it, in fsct, there was quite a bit I liked a lot, but I couldn't get certain things out of my head to enjoy the moments fully that I actually did even like. Am I explaining that well, I don't know!

I haven't read your review yet (but I'm going to right away), but you are explaining yourself perfectly. I'm in the very same boat.

I really think that "unspoiled" is the way to watch a show. I wish I could do it.

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jeannev
Oct. 17th, 2010 05:23 pm (UTC)
I understand. I think there comes a turning point for people with a show when you realize that its just not going to be what you wanted it to be. Then you need to decide if you can enjoy it for what it is, or if you are going to resent the hell out of it for not being what you wanted. If its the latter, then going on and on about that feels unnecessary and mean-spirited. I don't know if I'm there yet, but it feels like I might be.
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audrey229
Oct. 17th, 2010 05:24 pm (UTC)
I respect your choice either way. If you feel that you don't want to write a review, that's perfectly understandable.

I can only speak for myself...but a negative review about this episode wouldn't bother me nor would it change my feelings. I expected people to dislike it/not love it as much as I did because...well...that's just the way these things go. There were people who didn't like "Salvation" when it aired. I thought they were crazy...but...there were people who genuinely didn't like it. I didn't particularly care for "Reckoning" and I could provide a detailed list of reasons why I have NEVER cared for it. But I understand and accept that there are plenty of fans who truly love that episode and hold it close to their heart. I'm open to hearing what other people think about the show and then I can choose whether to accept or reject that opinion. I loved the episode. Very much. It wasn't perfect. But the things I had issues with aren't worth it to me to focus on. My feeling of joy surpassed my nitpicks. I understand why people have concerns/dislikes about the way the future reveal was done and what that means but I have a very different perspective on it, a perspective that I'll probably go into at some point on my own journal as opposed to taking up space here. But even after I express that perspective, I know there will still be people who didn't see it that way. And that's fine with me.

I don't think there is anything wrong with your viewpoint regarding the show nor your sadness over the episode just as I don't think there's anything missing or wrong with the people who loved it and are looking at it a different way.

I'm sorry that you are feeling so sad over the show and I truly hope you can find something to enjoy for the rest of the season. Or if you can't enjoy Smallville anymore...then I truly do hope that you find a show that you love and feel satisified with. I will admit that I'm very happy with the show and I loved the episode very much. But, I certainly don't begrudge anyone who disagrees. Hope you stick around until the end but wishing you the best either way.
jeannev
Oct. 17th, 2010 05:37 pm (UTC)
Thanks for your thoughts. I hope I didn't give anyone the impression that it was any of you guys that were causing me to feel this way. I mean, I'm used to how I'm perceived in SV fandom for the most part. There are people who like me and my bluntness, and people who don't. It is what it is.

No, my decision to not write a review was much more about me, and how I'm feeling, and how I wasn't really looking to cast any shadows on anyone elses euphoria. Not that I think I'd change their minds, but more because I didn't see the point in anyone feeling like they needed to defend their happiness with the episode. Because no matter what people think about me, or my opinions, I sure do seem to inspire people to respond. LOL
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asha14
Oct. 17th, 2010 05:25 pm (UTC)
I am sorry that you feel like giving a review would hash Sqeee's. I look forward to reading whatever review you put out. Yours is usually the first one I try to read. Either way knowing your review style and what you prefer I can guess some of your reservations and I would properly agree with some of it. Another thing: when I finish watching an episode one of the first things I think is; I wonder what does Val think, even if I do not agree with all of it.
jeannev
Oct. 17th, 2010 05:32 pm (UTC)
Awww man, way to lay on the guilt Nic. LOL

Thanks so much for the nice words though. It really means so much that so many people respect my POV, and understand the sentiment that goes into my reviews, whether they be positive, or negative. I think, all too often, people who don't join in march step with the prevailing opinion have to deal with nasty jabs, and attempts at being discredited or disregarded. Its PRECISELY why I'm not saying shit at K-Site. You know how that would go. ;)
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