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I just wanted to start out this review with 2 things.

I really feel thrilled that my flist consists of such a variety of opinions.  I've always been a big believer in a forum with diversity of opinion, and its something I've always strived to have here.  I think because thats such a big part of my own personal philosophy, this journal has become a good place for so many people to share their thoughts and opinions, no matter where you are coming from.  I hope that never changes.  But, I do need to ask you guys for a favor here.  My last 2 reviews just exploded in the comments section, and it became unweildy.  Not to mention a bitch and a half to load the page.  I like to try and respond to every comment, but it just seemed overwhelming.  So, I'm going to ask that everyone try to keep their comments to one or two, at most, long posts.  If you need to add a short comment/s after that, thats fine.  If you need more then that, than its probably better to do a review in your own journal.  You can even link it here, if you'd like.  I really appreciate the cooperation.  As always though, all opinions are welcome. :)

Which brings me to my second thing....I really disliked this episode intensely.  So, my review of it will be negative, to put it mildly.  I am putting that disclaimer out there for anyone who would rather skip this.

Lets start with the totals

Supergirl, running time 41m, 16s

Clark:  19m, 2s
Lois:  19m, 38s
Oliver:  6m, 37s
Chloe:  21s

Kara:  12m, 36s

Year to Date (# of eps)

Clark:  59m, 19s (3)
Lois:  37m, 11s (3)
Oliver:  19m, 28s (3)
Tess:  11m, 45s (2)
Chloe:  5m, 52s (2)



When Kara was first introduced to the show, I was not in favor of it.  I just honestly didn't think we needed Kara before we had Superman.  I understand that SV writes its own story, but this is one timeline I was not in favor of them altering.  And I really don't know that I think they used Kara very well when she was a regular in S7.  But, as time went on, I did grow fond of the character, and Laura Vandervoort, and particularly the chemistry and bond that formed between Clark and Kara, which seemed warm and familial.  And I didn't much like the send-off they gave Kara at the end of S7, or in her one episode of S8.  So, I was hoping that she would make a return visit in S10.

Boy, do I want to smack myself now!

No, actually, I want to smack the SV showrunners, and writer of record.  Because I don't think Kara's return had to be done this way.  I don't think she needed to be shown making a public save, in her red and blue outfit, outing herself.  And I don't think she needed to be brought back as some "pure-of-heart", better then Clark, got it altogether hero working in the service of Jor-El (yeah, remember when he hated her?  I do!).  I certainly don't believe she needed to be brought back to point out, once again, how Clark is the slowest banana in the Kryptonian bunch because he can't fly.  I don't believe she needed to be brought back to be used to point out what a doubting underachiever Clark is.  Oh yeah, and for good measure, more stuff about how his dark and doubting heart is so unpure and easily corruptable.  Unlike herself, with all her perfectness, and all.

No, I don't believe she needed to be brought back in this way at all.  But now?  I am hoping that we have seen the last of Kara.  I am hoping we've heard the last of Kara.  However, a lot of the damage has already been done.

I understand not everyone cares about firsts the way I do.  Fair enough, but I care.  To me, having Clark come out publically, showing his face to the world, in his red and blue uniform was a moment I anticipated for years.  Now?  Well, when he does it, I can just imagine the people of Metropolis looking up and thinking "Oh look, another one..."  10 years, and thats what SV decided to create in its 10th season.  The "brilliance" in that moves astounds me.

So, beyond Kara, I don't even think I know where to start.  Out of this whole episode, I think there is only one scene that I thought was decent.  Thats right, ONE!  That would be the scene between Lois and Godfrey in the church.

And, in my attempts to always have at least a few positive things to say, I do think Michael Dangerfield gave a strong performance as Godfrey.  And I think Tom Welling should always wear tight grey t-shirts.

OK, the "positive" portion of my review is done.

The sheer volume of things I disliked about this episode are overwhelming for me.  I think I'll just post them in random snippets...

Ah, the black eyeball of evil possession.  Like this hasn't been done to death.

The SFX is this episode were terrible.  Beyond awful.  

That was the big Clark and Lois reunion scene?  How underwhelming.  I compare this scene to the one in Metallo, and I don't think its even close.  I can't say what I was expecting, exactly.  But I expected....more.  

So, Kara goes public, and Clark says that maybe The Blur should have the courage to do it too.  But Lois goes into a speech about how its a bad idea, and so Clark seems to decide its a bad idea.  Here's a crazy idea....how about Clark coming to some conclusions on his own, not based on what someone else is doing, or someone else is telling him to do, but rather on his own experiances.  Wow, crazy idea, huh?

I think one of the things that is holding me back from really enjoying any of the scenes between Clark and Lois is that I HATE this whole crap about him not even considering that Lois might have recognized his kiss, and then deciding to keep lying to her.  And Lois pretending she doesn't know.  I just don't see how this reflects well on either of them.  And I find it hard to sit through their scenes without grinding me teeth, because it is so utterly DUMB!  

What was with that photoshoot?  And we have Kara referred to as "The woman of tomorrow".  Well, awesome.  Maybe Clark can be "The Other guy from tomorrow".\

Kara comes back, and there's absolutely no mention of the Kandorians (remember, she was looking for them).

I realize that fetish sex clubs might be out of the mainstream, but I sort of resent the idea that it equals EVOL!  But it wouldn't be SV if it didn't equate anything but vanilla sex with a ton of candles as bad.

"You're my only family"  And somewhere, Martha Kent just got a sharp pain in her heart.  

Why was this script so awful?

And I couldn't help noticing....so, Darkseid came to earth because Clark used the BoR to send the Kandorians to a new place.  So, in other words, its Clark's fault.  I guess this must be all because he has no faith, he's full of doubts, and his heart is full of darkness.  And all that stuff.  I guess the total crapping on the episode Salvation, and how heroic and awecome Clark was in it is now complete!

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but in the first episode of this season, Clark was ready, willing and able to take on any threat that came his way.  He had faith in his ability to handle anything.  And Jor-El slapped him down like a dog, and told him he was vain and prideful.  Now, Clark is doubting himself and his abilities, and Clark is told that because of that, he's vulnerable and weak, and easily taken over by the darkness because of the darkness in his own heart.  Am I the only one having a bit of a problem following this?

Back to the fetish club....now, I know Lois Lane is a character that goes undercover a lot, and wears disguises.  But on SV, so often, I feel like they are just coming up with excuses to put Erica in ridiculous costumes, and I very much felt this was the case here.  I didn't find her pretending to be a dominatrix even remotely amusing.  No, eye-rollingly bad was more the reaction I had.  And yes, it felt very exploitive to me.  Especially when she's tied up, bondage style.  I get what they were going for, but I think they missed the mark by a country mile.

I do want to say that I thought Lois was written the best of all the characters in this episode.  It seems clear to me that writer ACS is very much a Lois Lane fan.  Its just that I thought much of the dialogue was awful, and I found many of the scenes annoying, or downright distasteful, it was very hard for me to enjoy Lois much.  I also thought the whole "Lois is pure of heart" seemed like another unnecessary dagger at Clark.  Does he have to be something less then just about everyone?  I guess so.

And, I have to confess to a big fear I have.  I think Lois is about to get a shitload of credit for just about anything positive Clark does from here on out.  And I loathe that concept so much.  It isn't anything against Lois.  I am against the whole idea of that.  Watch, Clark will fly, and we'll be told its because he was concentrating just on Lois.  Or, Clark will believe in himself, and we'll be told its because Lois believed in him.  I just don't think its possible for this show to give Clark credit for anything unless they can also give credit for it to someone else.  And yet, will the show very suggest that Lois wouldn't be a great journalist without Clark?  No.  Of course not.

I thought there might be a small glimmer there when Clark was going to get a minute to shine, when he and Kara walked into Watchtower.  He immediately showed some computer skills, and was able to hear "the darkness" in Godfrey's voice.  But then what happens next?  Well, Kara walks right over to a keyboard, and immediately is able to use Watchtower just as well as Clark did.  Later, at the Fetish Club, Clark has to ask Kara if she's sure Lois' cellphone was traced to there, and Kara assures him that what the records at Watchtower said.  So, Clark wasn't able to trace that himself, but Kara had to do it?  Well, there goes that glimmer out the window....Kara is even better at using Watchtower then Clark.

"You're such a bang-up gal..." Who the hell talks like this?  Did I mention this script was awful?

Oh, yeah, I forgot to mention Oliver, who appeared shirtless again.  There isn't much for me to say, actually.  This character is just such a void for me.  But hey, even he gets to beat Clark to the punch again, and go public.  I'm sure it won't go well, but does that really change the fact that Oliver had the courage to forge ahead and do what he thought he needed to do to control his life?  I don't think so.

I think I know what they are getting at with this stuff with Clark having doubts and all.  It didn't have to be such an awful concept.  But the execution of it is beyond horrible.  Because having doubts, and not being perfect is NOT darkness.  Thats where they went terribly wrong.  They took the character that has the best heart of any other character on the show, and decided to tell us it wasn't good enough and it holds "darkness".  And no matter which way you wank it (and boy, have I seen the wank!), and no matter how you try and reconcile it, just using that sort of terminology indicates something wrong with Clark.  Something, almost, defective in him.  And this episode just compounds that by taking his cousin, who has spent the last 2 years off screen, and deciding that she is free of such a defect.  

Bottom line, they took a character that has appeared 15 times on the show, with a percentage of that time having amnesia and being powerless, and being off screen for the last 2 years, and got her to a place that Clark hasn't gotten to in 199 episodes.  How is that not wrong?  How does that not steal his thunder?  How is that a good thing for the final season of this show?  No matter how Clark comes out now, he'll be following in Kara's footsteps.  And I just don't know how that isn't a major buzzkill. 

Comments

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(Anonymous)
Oct. 10th, 2010 05:10 am (UTC)
What Kara did in this episode was an echo of what Clark did in Lazarus, except she showed her face. I want Clark to have his own reasons for coming out not just because Lois suggesting something or that Kara and Oliver just came out. Third episodes have negative stigmas attached to them.

Whatever progress Clark made in the first two episodes was clearly halted in this episode and thus made him go backwards. I find that hard to believe that Kara is more pure-hearted than Clark.

How did Jor-El contacted Kara when she's out in space and doesn't have the disc like Clark does? Why is she trying to prevent Clark from seeing Jor-El? Is there something she's hiding from Clark that she didn't tell him.

I was glad that Kara didn't wear the full suit and cape and bearing the Supergirl name before Clark becomes Superman. What Kara has done in this episode didn't inspire Clark nor did it give people hope. She's all about the mission more than being a team player or protecting humanity.

Anne Coffel Saunders who wrote this episode also wrote Idol and Persuasion. She has a tendency to write strong women, especially Lois. Since Lois has more screentime than Kara, it's clear that Acofell writes for Lois than anyone else with Kara second. Notice that Lois and Kara knew what they want and what they had to do at the same time both Clark and Oliver were lost and confused.

Put together this episode with Bloodline and you can see both times Kara saved Clark. Put together the first three episodes of this season and you'd see Clark moving forward until Kara's return. She clearly had a negative and detractive impact on Clark.

If this is Kara's final episode, then she and Clark have parted ways on bad terms. I didn't feel any connection between the two then and now. Just because Clark has doubts doesn't mean he shouldn't be the only one because I know Lois and Oliver have doubts too.

Yeah, great episode for Kara, but not for Clark. This episode sums up why it was a mistake to bring her into the show.

Vantheman77

jeannev
Oct. 10th, 2010 05:23 am (UTC)
I don't agree that what Kara did in this episode was an echo of what Clark did in Lazarus. Clark did not show his face. He did not float there, in red and blue, in the sunlight, for everyone to see. And thats a pretty big difference.

Whether what Kara did inspired Clark or not, the reality is that she did it before him, and when he does it, he'll be following in her footsteps. He will be the 2nd red and blue suited, flying superhero people see.

I thought it was very odd that an episode called Supergirl was really far more about Lois then any other character.

I think the whole concept of this ep was a mistake.
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brijeana
Oct. 10th, 2010 05:21 am (UTC)
I guess I'm glad to see some evidence of what Jor-el was saying in the season premiere, but it's still very hard to swallow.

I don't know why this episode didn't bother me more. I completely agree with you about Kara. She completely did what I was hoping to see Clark do in the finale. She wore her suit, saved Metropolis, flew, confronted Darkseid. I hope that Clark's version looks much more awesome than Kara's but still... now Clark will just be, as you say, following in her footsteps. I'm honestly flummoxed. I just don't understand.

But Salvation was such an amazing Clark moment that, I guess I'm convinced. I'm convinced that Clark is the most heroic person on earth. And I guess nothing the writers or Jor-el or Kara says will change that for me. Salvation was just that awesome! I don't know why they want to tear that moment down. Maybe they fear that they can't top it. LOL! I don't know.

I enjoyed Lois in this story. In hindsight I guess you're right, the BDSM club was a contrived way for them to act out twisted fetishes on Lois/Erica similar to Oliver's naked torture I guess... but Oliver's scenes worked better. I enjoyed the villain. The actor did a great job. I hope you're wrong about Lois' role in Clark's development as a hero. Ug. I guess I'm glad to see Oliver step out of the shadows. I'm not feeling his mourning period so... hopefully that's at a close and we'll get some hero action. I'm glad to see him acting on his words in "Shield."

But mainly yeah, I'm confused. Forget Salvation, SHIELD ended with Clark stepping into the light in his new suit, ready to be heroic! Where did that lead? Why wasn't Clark taking some kind of hero action in this episode? I just... yeah. It's incomprehensible. LOL! I guess they had to use the birds of darkness attempting to roost in Clark's soul to explain Jor-el's words in the premiere. ???
jeannev
Oct. 10th, 2010 05:29 am (UTC)
I think everyone has certain things that just ping them wrong. Pretty much all of this episode was that for me, LOL

I also thought that Salvation was such an amazing episode, and such an amazing moment for Clark. But they sure seem to be working overtime to tear that moment down. Not one mention of Clark helping the Kandorians, and averting massive bloodshed. Clark is talked down to for sacrificing himself for the world. Now we find out that all that strength and heroism and selflessness Clark showed? Nah, just covering up all that "darkness" in his heart. And then in this ep, Clark using the BoR is what is responsible for Darkseid coming to Earth.

Whats left?

Honestly, what would've been a straight-up better approach to this Darkseid stuff was just to say that everyone is vulnerable to him, because we all carry doubt and fear in our hearts, and Clark has to work harder to overcome that because of who he is. There's no reason to even refer to it as darkness in his heart, just as there is no reason to refer to anyone else as pure. This approach is just so off-putting for this Clark fan.
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serenography
Oct. 10th, 2010 05:32 am (UTC)
Oh yeah, and for good measure, more stuff about how his dark and doubting heart is so unpure and easily corruptable.

THIS TIMES A THOUSAND.

And since when is having doubts equatable to DARKNESS? It felt SO wrong every time they referred to Clark's heart not being pure. SRSLY SHOW? CLARK KENT?

I like Kara fine enough, but you hit the nail on the head with how she was used to an extreme extent of showing Clark to be a dunderhead who needed Super-schooling. I know that ultimately, they will show him to finally overcome his "dark and doubting, UNPURE heart" and to embrace the Superman mantle, but it's like they have to drag him through the dirt as much as possible before they'll let him do that.

Because having doubts, and not being perfect is NOT darkness. Thats where they went terribly wrong. They took the character that has the best heart of any other character on the show, and decided to tell us it wasn't good enough and it holds "darkness".

Again, this above all else about this episode drove me nuts. Thanks for putting it so succinctly.
jeannev
Oct. 10th, 2010 05:43 am (UTC)
And since when is having doubts equatable to DARKNESS? It felt SO wrong every time they referred to Clark's heart not being pure. SRSLY SHOW? CLARK KENT?

Right, exactly.

There are so many other, better ways, for them to approach this without making it seem like they are condemning Clark so harshly. But, instead, they seem to be playing up the "Crap on Clark" to maximum effect.

My sister really summed it up when she said that they way they wrote this show makes Clark seem like the slowest kid in school. The one who needs lots and lots of extra help and attention to keep up. And while I might be able to make excuses for that in prior seasons, how does that makes sense in S10?
shalimarfox80
Oct. 10th, 2010 05:36 am (UTC)
---"No matter how Clark comes out now, he'll be following in Kara's footsteps. And I just don't know how that isn't a major buzzkill."---

If Clark ever even ‘followed’ Kara’s footsteps, I think I’ll stab myself. Kara’s ‘outing’ as a so called ‘hero’ was horrible, to say the least. Posing for the cameras? Seriously. I’ll die of embarrassment if I ever saw Tom doing that on this show, so I positively believe that there’s no way I’ll ever even like to think that Clark could follow Kara’s footsteps in anything. Kara will probably learn a lesson when Clark shows himself to the world, and will realize “What not to do”. Clark is and will always be far superior to Kara in everything, including how he decides to show his face to the public.

Also, I don’t see how Oliver going public has punched Clark in the gut either because his move too, was ridiculous. I honestly don’t expect Clark to go for such a cheap and thoughtless gimmick. Clark will (hopefully) carefully draw a line between his public and private lives, and consider the safety of the ones he loves. So I didn’t for a moment think that these two stole Clark’s thunder with their stupid gigs because I ever want Clark to have this kind of ‘thunder’.

---"And, I have to confess to a big fear I have. I think Lois is about to get a shitload of credit for just about anything positive Clark does from here on out."---

I think after everyone is being a jerk to Clark, Lois should get some credit for being the only one who doesn’t treat him like shit. I don’t think she will be responsible for what he becomes or not, but she and Jonathan are the only two people this year who have put their full trust in Clark’s abilities, and isn’t that like… a good thing? The one thing Clark really needs right now, are some good friends, family and people that he can trust and those who trust him. There’s no way Lois can be given credit for what Clark does and vise versa, but I completely welcome the positive attitude that Lois brings, as opposed to everyone who is ready to thrust a dagger in his heart every chance they get.

As for the rest of your review, I pretty much agree with everything. I’ve written my thoughts esp. on Kara and Jor El on my journal in detail. You’re welcome to read them if you wish to.
jeannev
Oct. 10th, 2010 05:50 am (UTC)
I don't think Kara will be learning a darned thing from Clark. The biggest reason being that I don't think she'll ever be back on the show, and I don't think the show will mention her. But that doesn't change the fact that to glorify her, they crapped on some of Clark's biggest moments. There was nothing to suggest that Kara did anything wrong in this episode. No negative reaction to her being revealed. They just glossed over that. So, I don't see how its going to be shown as "what not to do".

And what was Clark superior to Kara in with regards to this episode? As far as I could tell, absolutely nothing. Kara has a purer heart, more faith in herself, better control of her abilities, a faster learning curve at Watchtower. I don't know, maybe I missed some small message in this episode about how Clark was better then Kara.

Clark may choose another method of revealing himself, but the fact remains that he will be lagging behind Kara and Oliver. They had the courage to do it first.

Yes, Lois having faith in Clark is a good thing. And vice versa. And that should be enough, but I don't trust the show not to take it further.

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jeannev
Oct. 10th, 2010 06:31 am (UTC)
Personally, my favorite Lois Lane disguise of them all was her in the stormtrooper outfit. She was adorable. I'll take 10 stormtroopers outfits over 100 strippers/playboy bunnies/dominatrix/french maids anyday of the week.

After SV, I have absolutely no interest in anything Green Arrow, though I did read a GA comic at Comic Con, and he was so much cooler then SV's Oliver. LOL

Edited at 2010-10-10 06:31 am (UTC)
svfan01
Oct. 10th, 2010 07:48 am (UTC)
I definantly get where your coming from but I don't think it was as bad as you did but it wasn't good either. It's probably a case that I like Lois enough that her side of the story saved the plot for me(I like it when she comes up with wacky schemes to try get a story, I just wish it was a case that somehow she could get Clark involved say like she did in Devoted). All that being said even the your pure of heart speach made me cringe, it just felt like bad plots of earlier seasons when everybody would tell us how wonderful Lana is or what a hero Chloe is, as much as I like Lois even I don't buy that.

In terms of Clark I just never get the writers at times why they feel that Clark being dark and brooding is good tv. I am just guessing(more so hoping) here but I think that this episode and Lazarus is a setup for next week and we'll get a happier Clark after Homecoming. That being said the whole Jor-El crap just reminds me of many other crappy Jor-El related plots from earlier seasons.

I always point to the Calling-Exile run the first time the show went dark to try create drama and I hate it. It's episodes like this that make me hate those episodes even more when you see the same patterns repeat(when you look at my worst epsiodes list, the dark and angsty epsidoes seem to get lower and lower on my list over time just because I find them tiring). While not as bad as the late S2 or S5 Jor-El making Clark's life a living hell storylines it's still a plotline that has been way overused on the show and I would just love to get inside P&S' head how they think it makes for interesting TV. The fact that I constantly harp about how bad Calling-Exile(I think this is the 2nd or 3rd post on your blog I used it as a example) is is probably indicative of how bad some of the Clark based storylines are this season since I have a real low opinion of all those episodes and it not the best group of epsiodes for me to use for comparison sakes.

I was hoping the show runners would do what the show did in S4 and do a complete 180 in regards to characters personalities to make a happier show, but P&S just seem to be overly into the dramatics because I guess they feel that kind of story telling is epic. I once again will bring up the comment I just wish when Al&Miles left in S7, they took the bulk of the production crew with them(PS3) and brought in new blood who might have a slightly different vision what entertainment is. To often P&S seem to be at the same level with alot of bad writing styles that Al/Miles were at fault for. The show could be much better if it was written from a more male perspective where Clark's "THE HERO" and he's pretty darn good at that without everybody pointing out how useless he is. I don't think it would be that hard to stall the show 3 years before he is Superman if you come up with good storylines(here is one idea Clark is a journalist, write a season long plotline highlighting that)

Overall I give the episode a 7 with an asterisk. If the dark and broody Clark storylines goes beyond next epsiode my opinion of this one will lower over the season, if Clark can overcome his issues soon then I will be more forgiving.
jeannev
Oct. 10th, 2010 02:38 pm (UTC)
I think if I loved Lois the way I loved Clark, I could enjoy this episode more for her part in it. But when Clark is written badly, or others are written at his expense, its just blinding for me. And no matter how well any other character is written, it just doesn't change how I feel.

All that being said even the your pure of heart speach made me cringe

Yes, cringe is an excellent word. Its cringeworthy.

I'm sure that next weeks ep is the setting for Clark having some sort of epiphany. However, I don't think that really changes the crap they shoveled out in the first 3 eps to justify that epiphany. I think they created this false "dark heart" so that they could do the 4th episode. And thats fallout bad writing.

Speaking of cringing, I cringed when I heard K/B were taking over. I still cringe over it frequently.
cbrownjc
Oct. 10th, 2010 08:09 am (UTC)
First: I predicted Darkseid having come through the BOR portal a few weeks ago. But I don't think it reflects badly on Clark that he used it because it was clone!Jor-El who created the BOR in the first place (which I now 100% think was a mother box that opened a Boom Tube).

So, IMO, if anyone is to blame for Darkseid being on Earth, it's clone!Jor-El.

Second: This episode seemed very cheaply made. If I had actually liked the episode, maybe I'd care more. As it is? I'm just hoping the reason it looked so cheap is because they were saving money for Homecoming next week, and I can (mostly) forget about this episode.

Third: I'll be honest - I can see both sides of the idea that it's going to be Lois' heartbeat that will be the one sound Clark's lives in in order to fly (because that is what I think that whole dialog from Kara was setting up IMO). The romantic in me has always loved the idea that Clark is always tuned into Lois' heartbeat and can hear it wherever he is, ever since I first read the concept of it in the comics. So the fact that I think SV is going to go there this season makes me happy beyond anything.

However . . . tying it into the reason he can fly is problematic IF it's strictly played that way. Because I don't think it's the only way that it can play. Yeah the whole idea that he needs to live inside one sound to fly is a retcon to delay this all some more. But if Clark, I think, consciously picks her heartbeat as his one sound, I don't think you can strictly say it's because of Lois he flew. Because the whole idea of him hearing her heartbeat all the time is that he doesn't even have to be near hear to hear it. She could be on the other side of the world from him and he can still pick it out.

Forth: I think I'd just be saying ditto constantly to all your stuff about Kara. I've always liked Supergirl, but I didn't like the idea of her being on the show back in season 7. And even though I ended up liking Laura, I think Kara's character was pretty much wasted that whole season.

Honestly, I think the best episode Kara was used was Bloodline - and that was an episode that aired in season 8, not 7.

But in this episode? She rubbed me wrong from beginning to end with her arrogance. And as to everything else, the only reason I don't feel totally gutted about her going public first before Clark is that at least she didn't get named Supergirl on top of it all. But the Superman fan is me was crushed all the same that they actually though any of this was a good idea. :(

And you know, I really don't think Kara was even particularity needed for the story in this episode in the first place. Because - if you look at it - all she was really there for was to give Clark a bunch of exposition about "the darkness" and Jor-El and that's it. Her going public didn't add a damn thing to the plot, except to "prove" she was "pure of heart" because she couldn't lure Darkseid to her. Which, if the PTB had actually tried, could have been done another way than by having her go public.

*sigh* When it comes to all of this, I'm just going to push it to the back of my mind and try to ignore it, like I do eps like Power. Because it doesn't anger me anymore - I was angry during the spoiler-phase for this ep. I'm just now sad and disappointed really.

Edited at 2010-10-10 08:19 am (UTC)
jeannev
Oct. 10th, 2010 02:48 pm (UTC)
Here's the thing...I agree with you that it shouldn't be Clark's fault that using the BoR let Darkseid in, because how was he supposed to know that could happen? However, there is this unfortunate pattern with this show to always draw back the terrible stuff thats happening to something Clark did, knowingly, or unwittingly. And I don't get why that has to be the case.

This ep looked like it had a budget of a buck and a half. Cheap looking!

Let me be clear on the Lois and her heartbeat thing. I have no issues with the show having Clark hear her heartbeat. I think its lovely and romantic, and I'm all for the show having him do this on screen. I do, however, object to it being linked with his flying. And I'll be blunt about why. Because if Clark flies by concentrating on Lois' heartbeat, you can bet your bottom dollar that this big moment will become all about Lois, at least in this fandom, at least for a large number of people. It won't be so much about Clark flying. It will be more of "Lois is the KEY!" or "He can't do it without her" or "See, Lois is the best!". Clark's achievement, if you can even call him flying an achievement, will be lost in the sauce. Because thats the way this fandom rolls all too often.

If this show hadn't spent so much time making sure that Clark rarely, if ever, had an original idea on his own. And if it hadn't spent so much time deciding that Clark pretty much won't do anything unless someone else does it first, or "inspires" him, then it wouldn't be such a problem. At this point, for me, it would be just adding insult to injury.

I think what was so problematic about Kara in this episode is that you can't have a character develop mostly in Offscreensville, then tell us she's just as good, if not better, then Clark. Not only does the character come off as haughty, but its just an unnecessary beatdown of Clark.

Like you, I dont see the need for Kara here. It just really felt like a great big ol' bone thrown out to Kara/Supergirl fans.

When it comes to eps that bug me, I'm a bit like Lois Lane. A pitbull on a pants leg. I wish I could just let them go, but I tend to dwell on them and get angrier. Not healthy. LOL
tjw_jaypat
Oct. 10th, 2010 10:52 am (UTC)
t is amazing that the producers are obviously unable to grasp the meaning of common English terms. As you say, having doubts is not darkness at all, and getting angry in some rare moments when the life of some loved one is at stake is not dark either. It would be dark only if you had a very intemperate character to begin with. And Clark certainly doesn´t. Also, having doubts is the opposite of pride and vanity: such people have no doubts.

I will omit all the misuses of the words epic, iconic, etc.,...

The major problem for me is the fact that this crapping on Clark will be the major theme of the entire season. They know that there is not much development left, so they must regress Clark to get artificial growth. How uncreative! :(

Although I enjoy Lois standing by Clark´s side, I am afraid too that this will end up at Clark´s expense. They will continue to portray him as someone with no idea of his own, just a little boy who needs to be told what to do by everyone.

I predict that the big series finale will probably be the most underwhelming finale ever. Instead of a climax we will get an anti-climax because we´ve essentially seen everything before -- done by others. I guess they will try hard with a big save and some extra money for special effects, which will make many viewers happy. But this is cosmetics, unable to cover the major fail that is the writing of this show.
jeannev
Oct. 10th, 2010 02:55 pm (UTC)
Let me tell you, the obtuseness of the writers is just annoying as all hell to me. Which is why I straight up asked ACS if she wanted honest opinions. I should've worded it better, because I didn't mean to imply that positive opinions weren't honest. I just meant to say that honest opinions wouldn't all be positive, and she shouldn't assume that everyone loved it because those people were the first to rush to her twitter. Most people are just too polite and nice to tell her, straight up, they didn't like it.

The more I think about it, the more I think this "heart of darkness" stuff was just such a stupid and unnecessary way to go. Because they could've achieved the very same thing without ever going there.

I love that Lois is in Clark's corner. I just don't think they can stop themselves from crediting her with him becoming Superman. Thats not a knock on Lois. Thats just how they write the show.

I suspect the finale is going to be a letdown. For one thing, I think the show is going to end with him coming out as Superman. Which means that all this "Clark is going to inspire people and give them hope, which is why he is different from Kara" is a moot point, because that part of the story is going to take place after the last credits roll. Which is precisely why him coming out was so damned important to me. Because I think thats what the show is going to end with.
goodvibe
Oct. 10th, 2010 11:15 am (UTC)
Brilliant review. You've really articulated so well exactly why this ep ranks amongst the worst, ever.

//And I find it hard to sit through their scenes without grinding me teeth, because it is so utterly DUMB!//

You already know this from my own review, but I honestly could not agree more. Their scenes are making my head hurt these days.

//Am I the only one having a bit of a problem following this?//

Head.hurts. Seriously.
jeannev
Oct. 10th, 2010 02:57 pm (UTC)
I'm not sure where this episode is going to rank in the grand scheme of things to me. But, for reals, I hated almost every single scene of it.

Its very clear that the writing MO for this show has always been "lets make it up as we go along". And I think Clark's arc for this season thus far is very indicative of this.
chatchien
Oct. 10th, 2010 12:09 pm (UTC)
My last 2 reviews just exploded in the comments section, and it became unweildy.

You know what you need to do? You need to become a Community! Accept the fact that you have the coolest house in the SV Neighborhood and everyone wants to be your friend and hang out with you. Just pass out the pop and chips and have playhouse fun with all of us. ;-)



And I don't think she needed to be brought back as some "pure-of-heart", better then Clark, got it altogether hero working in the service of Jor-El (yeah, remember when he hated her? I do!).

I am just confused with all these terms.
  • "Pure of Heart" means exactly what? That Kara wears a Sterling Silver Bracelet to shame black-eyed Sex Kink Villain? I don't think that the banishing bracelet was 32 carat gold or anything like that.

  • "Pure of Heart" means that Lois is not that good a Dominatrix in an S&M Club? That was the funniest line of the night for me. Lois is decked out in patent leather and whips and thigh high boots with a ruffle on her Dominatrix Suit (a Ruffle on her Mean Lady Suit, haha) and some Kinked Out Villain tells her that she is "Pure of Heart". I guess that he could tell by the Ruffle on her Bustier.

  • What does "Darkness" mean? Doubt? That's a good theory of yours, I didn't come up with that. I keep thinking of Colonel Kurtz running amok up the river in Heart of Darkness. I thought that Clark has been doing something Dirty in the Corn Fields. And that Jor El objects to all the Corn Cobs lying around.


  • Kara comes back, and there's absolutely no mention of the Kandorians (remember, she was looking for them).

    Kara said that she had been hunting for her mom. Huh? I too thought that she was hunting her fellow Kandorians whom Clark just sent into another dimension. And yet Clark says nothing of that to Kara, "Um Kara, your mom left town three weeks ago with no forwarding address. And I did it! I made her Leave!" Maybe that is Clark's Darkness---his Dim Memory.

    I've got no problem with Lois going along with Clark's Secret, Mysterious Undercover Life. He gave her her space; Lois is returning the favor. Like me, she is curious about how far he thinks that he can carry this with her. She's just playing along. Not everything has to be some big production of Darkness whatever that means.

    Oliver, who appeared shirtless again.

    As well he should! I don't understand why he is mooning over Chloe, but as long as he "moons" my way, I am Happy.

    just using that sort of terminology indicates something wrong with Clark. Something, almost, defective in him.

    I thought that we had pretty much established that Jor El was Defective. Jor El is trying to MIND FUCK us ALL!

    Even the Kent Cat can fly

    Come on Clark! You can do it!



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    jeannev
    Oct. 10th, 2010 03:03 pm (UTC)
    Oh No. No way am I becoming a community. I'm perfectly happy to pass out the chips and dip here, but OTH, its my party, and you don't have to go home, but you can't stay here. LOL

    I think "pure of heart" basically means what Clark IS NOT. Thats pretty much the extent of it. I'm sure if Chloe was still around, she'd be pure of heart too. And Oliver is probably pure of heart because of his faith in his greatest LOVE EVA! for Chloe. And Zod was pure of heart, because he knew he really wanted to be in charge. And Cat is pure of heart, because she has faith that he really loves pink...

    But Clark?? Dark heart. Darkiest Dark Heart that ever Hearted! The loser.

    Since when was Kara hunting for her mom? Wasn't that randomly picked out of the air?

    When Clark flies, I think the most likely response will be "Well, its about time..." Sort of takes the "EPIC" out of it, doesn't it?

    audrey229
    Oct. 10th, 2010 02:12 pm (UTC)
    Thank you for your review. I have been meaning to write my own review for weeks now but there have just been so many things going on that I have not found the time. I'm going to try and get some of my thoughts about Supergirl down at some point later on today so I won't take up too much space in your journal.

    There were things that I liked about this epiosde and there were things that I didn't like. And then there were things that just flat out made me uncomfortable.

    I completely understand the fear about Lois being given credit for Clark becoming a hero. But I truly don't think that is what is going to happen for several reasons.

    To me, the only reason why Lois could truly have a "clear purpose" is entirely because of Clark and I think that's been made clear on the show. I'm not trying to take anything away from her as a person because I truly do think she's a strong woman on her own capable of achievement and strength. But she also has her own doubts and fears and issues with self-esteem/ The only thing she is sure of is HIM. He is the one thing that she never doubts. Her faith in him is unwavering. She is the one person on the show (besides Jonathan) who is always on his side. Even if they argue (and I'm sure they will in some of the upcoming episodes) I don't feel like I ever doubt that Lois is on his side till the end. This is one of the core traits of the Superman/Lois relationship that I think the show has gotten very right. So to me....Lois may have a clear purpose right now....but the reason she has a clear purpose is because she believes in Clark till the end. He is responsible for that faith. I loved what she said in the last scene. She KNEW that no matter what the Blur would always be there. She doesn't doubt him. And that is entirely because of who Clark is.

    As far Clark focusing on Lois' heartbeat in order to "live inside a noise" and fly....

    If that does happen...I don't think it means that Clark only flew because of Lois. I think it will mean that Clark has learned where to find PEACE in his life and in focusing on that peace he will feel free to be who he was meant to be. But I give the credit entirely to Clark.

    It's a very hard balance to strike because in the mythos Clark considers Lois' heartbeat the "rhythm" of his life. It's the sound by which he wakes up and lives and breathes and as long as he hears it he knows that everything is OK. He can be halfway across the world and he can focus enough to hear it. And if something happens and he doesn't hear it? It's utterly emotional panic. He feels lost. Superman says openly that he knows that the people of the world consider Superman to be their "hope" ...but that his hope for the world is his wife. There is also that famous line where Clark says openly, "She makes me human. No, I can't be that. But she does make me a man. A man who can fly."

    It's difficult because Superman openly gives Lois credit in the mythos for being his hope, for being his rhythm, for being his reason to fight. Now....I think there is a reason why that works. It works because Lois doesn't think that about herself and because it's clear that Lois' adoration and love for Clark is so intense that you know that it's an equal relationship. She believes in him above all else. She credits him with completely changing her life and giving her purpose.

    So I guess what I'm saying is...it is a very hard balance to strike because on the one hand it is completely in character and in line with the story for Clark to credit Lois with being his inspiration and hope. That would be a faithful representation of the Superman story. That being said, there is a way to do it that makes sure that the audience knows that it's not that Clark can't do it without Lois....but that he feels so at peace and so strong from that connection that it makes him feel like he can do ANYTHING. And in embracing that love and strength he feels like he is unstoppable. He feels like Superman. So it's a tough balance to strike.
    Anyway, as I said, I'm going to try and post my own thoughts on this episode at some point today. I didn't hate it as much as you did but I did have some problems with it that I'm trying to work through. Thanks again.


    jeannev
    Oct. 10th, 2010 03:14 pm (UTC)
    See, I'm sure Clark in the comics gives Lois credit for all sorts of things. And I'm sure it totally works there. But, for me, I can't say that SV is its own take on things, and then OTOH, say it needs to be what the comics are.

    In the comics, Clark is Superman before he meets Lois. He flies before he meets Lois. Lois can be credited with helping Clark continue on with what he does. She can't be credited with him actually taking on the mantle and doing it. And this is where I think SV is going to make a huge mistake. I think they already have, really, with all this "Lois is the Key!" and "He can't do it without you Lois". Because in the comics, Clark was doing it without Lois for a while. Without hearing her heartbeat. Or anything else.

    Also, as I said above, fandom in general has made me far more militant on this point then I would normally be. Because if Clark flies because he focuses in on Lois' heartbeat, I would bet big bucks that the moment will become all about Lois. Not Clark flying. Because thats how too much of this fandom rolls. And even though this show has already made that moment as unspecial as they possibly could, I don't think they need to make to take anything more away from Clark.

    Also, in the comics, there isn't this long laundry list of people in Clark's life who paved the way for him, or "inspired" him, or flat out gave him the idea. On SV, there is years of that. So, again, I fully expect that its Lois' turn to get the credit, since I feel its really obvious now that she's their new favorite character. But, I just don't see how thats a positive for Clark.

    If I thought that these writers were more in Clark's corner, and were fighting harder for him, and to get him right, and to show him in the best possible light, I wouldn't fear this so much. But, I think its really hard to argue that this is their writing philosophy. As you said, and I agree, there is a balance here that can be achieved. BUT, I think to achieve it, you would need to be a writer who loves Clark like you or I do. And I don't think there's even one of them on staff over at SV. Sad, but I truly believe that. And this episode is proof positive of that for me.

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    la_belle_isa
    Oct. 10th, 2010 04:42 pm (UTC)
    I'm glad I skipped this episode; but I enjoy reading everyone's reviews and comments. (I'll go off-topic a little bit).
    "I realize that fetish sex clubs might be out of the mainstream, but I sort of resent the idea that it equals EVOL! But it wouldn't be SV if it didn't equate anything but vanilla sex with a ton of candles as bad."
    True. And as a result, Clark is an almost asexual being, waiting for the girl. I think he has the lowest libido in the galaxy. They really represents sex in a weird and unnatural way on this show.
    All the stuff I read makes me worry about the finale. I don't think they have it in them to top or just equal Salvation without outside help. And the fact that B/K are worried about pleasing everybody makes it worse. They should be thinking about one and only one thing: make a good send-off for Clark.

    jeannev
    Oct. 11th, 2010 12:33 am (UTC)
    Did you skip it? Truth be told, I considered it. But I guess I was always hoping to be pleasantly surprised.

    I still don't understand how we were supposed to believe that Clark and Lana were sleeping in the same bed for months, but not doing anything. Thats so bizarre.

    I think the fact that B/K are so focused on their "wish list" is a bad sign, because to me, that doesn't sound like they are focusing on story first.
    la_belle_isa
    Oct. 10th, 2010 04:57 pm (UTC)
    Oh, and one positive: At least, Al didn't say that Ann Cofell and Mairzee Almas "knocked it out of the park"! LOL
    jeannev
    Oct. 11th, 2010 12:34 am (UTC)
    LMAO! Thats true.

    I think he did say "I think fans will be happy" though.

    He's like a parrot that only knows 10 phrases.
    tasabian
    Oct. 10th, 2010 05:08 pm (UTC)
    I think your review is spot-on - if it hadn't been for Daingerfeld, this one would be a total write-off. I dislike this writer. Persuasion has a permanent place on my SV bottom 10.

    But, as time went on, I did grow fond of the character, and Laura Vandervoort, and particularly the chemistry and bond that formed between Clark and Kara, which seemed warm and familial.
    Such a waste because there would have been so many better ways to bring her back, ie she gets swept back to earth when the portal opens: "And something evil came with me, Clark." An episode where she and Clark work together to track the evil could have been charming, sans lecturing and quotes from Jor-El.

    Oh yeah, and for good measure, more stuff about how his dark and doubting heart is so unpure and easily corruptable. Unlike herself, with all her perfectness, and all.
    If "Jor-El" is actually Darkseid this year and Darkseid is playing Kara, ie telling her she's incorruptible so she builds a false sense of security only to swoop in on her later, that could be a decent plotline. But I don't give the writers enough credit to come up with that. (Although this episode has been generating enough complaints that they might change the plot to fit. My guess is, the next Kara appearance, she'll be killed by Darkseid because the writers will want Clark to have one more trauma before the finale.)

    I also thought the whole "Lois is pure of heart" seemed like another unnecessary dagger at Clark. Does he have to be something less then just about everyone? I guess so.
    It doesn't do Lois any favours either. SHe should be more interesting than that, as should Kara. "Pure of heart" = one-dimensional and boring, Lana-writing all over again. Much better if Darkseid had purred something about knowing all of Lois's weak spots, giving ED a cool reaction moment.

    But on SV, so often, I feel like they are just coming up with excuses to put Erica in ridiculous costumes, and I very much felt this was the case here. I didn't find her pretending to be a dominatrix even remotely amusing. No, eye-rollingly bad was more the reaction I had. And yes, it felt very exploitive to me. Especially when she's tied up, bondage style. I get what they were going for, but I think they missed the mark by a country mile.
    It would have been so much better to subvert expectation - Lois stays in her cool chauffeur outfit, gets her photos and gets out of there....and it's Kara who gets blindsided by Darkseid. And incidentally, Godfrey although a jerk, is not actually doing anything illegal by disliking superheroes and gathering information on Oliver. By publishing those photos, Lois is ruthlessly lowering herself to his level - not a bad thing for her plot-wise, but does rather mitigate the "pure heart" remark above.

    I missed Tess but Cassidy probably benefited by not being in this one!

    Edited at 2010-10-10 05:08 pm (UTC)
    (Anonymous)
    Oct. 10th, 2010 08:17 pm (UTC)
    If Kara ever does appear again, I can see her being killed with some kind of twist ala Henry James Olsen.

    It wouldn't surprise me if Jor-El is really controlled by Darkseid, who may really want Kara all along instead of Clark because he can take advantage of her false sense of security.

    I really hope Clark confronts Jor-El in the Fortress in the next episode and finds out that he didn't call for Kara to return to Earth. Since Martian Manhunter has history with Jor-El, he should've been the one that Jor-El should rely on in case something happens to Clark.
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    canadabear
    Oct. 10th, 2010 05:16 pm (UTC)
    I realize that fetish sex clubs might be out of the mainstream, but I sort of resent the idea that it equals EVOL! But it wouldn't be SV if it didn't equate anything but vanilla sex with a ton of candles as bad.

    Here's where I sort of have to stick up for TPTB. There was supposed to be another well known Darkseid minion in this episode - Desaad. His character and name are a play on the Marquis De Sade, so it's very fitting that this character would run a fetish club. Unfortunately, they cut him (whether he had scenes filmed that were cut or he got cut out of the script I don't know, but he was cast) out of the episode, leaving the fetish club look totally random and out of place. I suppose that could have been fixed with a line in the script about Darkseid going to the club to look for him, but it's a good chance he got cut in editing, which means there wouldn't have been time to add anything else in. So yeah. Just my two cents there.
    goodvibe
    Oct. 10th, 2010 08:38 pm (UTC)
    They freakin had Desaad for this ep and they chose to cut him?? WTF.
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    katyjane91
    Oct. 10th, 2010 06:18 pm (UTC)
    Okay, so I figured out why I cling to your opinions to much and have to always point out how we are one and the same.
    ITS BECAUSE YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE THAT I'VE SEEN THAT AGREES WITH ME!
    After this episode, I was severely disappointed. I'm a huge Supergirl fan from the comics, and....ugh, SV just does not know how to handle their toys. I'm not loaning her to them again. *shakes head*
    But all my friends LOVED this! How? I have no freaking idea. But for two days they've been telling me that my opinion is wrong. Jerks.
    The fetish club stuff was actually the biggest sticking point for me in this epi. (It was really that and the Clark apparently sort of being a bad guy when its been thrown at us time and again that hes Jesus-freaking-Christ) I didn't realize I was just a prude until Friday night. But I felt violated after this show ended. I mean, Lois Lane is a hero of mine and this episode made her completely slut up! People keep saying that because Erica has fun with the costumes its not a big deal and I'm like....uhhh, guys ITS STILL A BIG DEAL!!!
    They are still showing off her rack instead of her investigative reporter skills.
    It made me physically sick.
    But, yeah, that crap about Clark not being pure-hearted is SO contrived. Can't they stick to their own frigging storyline for 5 minutes?
    Ugh....WHY DO I WATCH THIS SHOOOOWW?!?!?!
    svfan01
    Oct. 10th, 2010 07:56 pm (UTC)
    "They are still showing off her rack instead of her investigative reporter skills"

    While I won't deny they are showing off her rack, I disagree with the investigating skills. I thought showing the extremes she will go to get dirt on somebody was a great example how Lois goes out and actively investigates stuff. To often on this show, journalism is portrayed as Clark doing all the work and the other person just sitting behind a computer reaping the benefits of his hard work, it's nice they actually show somebody go out and investigate(now if only they included Clark though more in that process for his character getting a few stories, then we wouldn't have to see plots revolving around drak not pure of heart Clark)
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    jeannev
    Oct. 11th, 2010 12:56 am (UTC)
    Yes to everything you said.

    And just because someone has doubts, doesn't mean that they'll fall to the darkness in a NY minute. The idea that Clark would have NO CHANCE against "The Darkness" because he has some issues is so demeaning to him.
    agentobrian
    Oct. 10th, 2010 09:32 pm (UTC)
    Average ST:

    Clark- 19m, 47s
    Chloe- 2m, 56s
    Lois- 12m, 24s
    Oliver- 6m, 29s
    Tess- 5m, 53s

    Judging from the comments I've read about this episode, I'm really happy I skipped it. I still love your reviews, though. They keep me caught up with what's going on so I won't be totally lost when I start watching again. Not to mention they're very entertaining.
    jeannev
    Oct. 11th, 2010 12:57 am (UTC)
    I really love that you keep doing for me, and keep stopping by. It means a lot. I know we have very different opinions on the show, and we don't agree on much, but I have the utmost respect for where you are coming from.

    I'm glad I can keep you entertained while you wait for girl to show back up. :)
    tariel22
    Oct. 11th, 2010 02:37 am (UTC)
    Well, Val, I'm coming by to say you told me so. *headdesk* I agree with so much that you say here. The episode was offensive on multiple levels, and it's more clear than ever that TPTB and the writers do not see Clark in the same way I do. Obviously they're the ones who are paid big bucks to tell his story, but it's a story that is determined to break my heart.

    I keep seeing people say how the show will make what happened in Supergirl all better with what goes down in future episodes, but the parts that bothered me the most can't be undone. That's kind of the point. I was wary going in, in spite of my resolve to hope for the best, but I never dreamed it would be as bad as it was. You'd think I would know better by now. :(

    Thank you for the screentime minutes. I'm so glad Clark's time onscreen remains relatively high. I wonder if that will continue as the season goes on. I'm sure TPTB think they're so clever to have cut a Chloe scene from one episode and then use it in another. 21 seconds? LOL!

    BTW, wasn't there a spoiler that someone was actually going to call Kara Supergirl? I assume now it was going to be Lois. That would have been yet another Superman moment usurped, do you suppose they cut it because of negative fan reaction to spoilers about the episode?
    cbrownjc
    Oct. 11th, 2010 02:55 am (UTC)
    BTW, wasn't there a spoiler that someone was actually going to call Kara Supergirl? I assume now it was going to be Lois. That would have been yet another Superman moment usurped, do you suppose they cut it because of negative fan reaction to spoilers about the episode?

    I know you went talking to me, but I wanted to say that I do think the ep got edited in parts. As mentioned by someone above, (and something I was actually waiting for when watching the ep the first time because he's one of my favorites of Darkseid's Elite), Desaad was completely missing from the episode, even though they had announced his casting and everything before hand. I have a weird feeling it was because he probably had scenes with Kara, and they cut some stuff in the episode that dealt with her.

    Was it because of the pre-backlash? I don't know, but I'd like to think so.
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    jeannev
    Oct. 11th, 2010 01:56 pm (UTC)
    To me, if you are going to throw in something like a fetish club, then make sure it has some sort of meaning. Now, that may have initially been the intent, but it didn't mean much in the episode itself. And it went on FAR TOO LONG! And Lois in the whole bondage thing just seemed like a way for someone on the SV staff to get their rocks off.

    I'm still not sure why bondage, or kink equals EVOL! SV writers are idiots.

    At this point, I'm just not at all convinced that the writers of this show can have Clark do anything without somehow making someone else the reason/catalyst/inspiration. And as scary as this sounds, I think next weeks ep is an excellent example of this.
    jwm_rocks
    Oct. 11th, 2010 07:30 pm (UTC)
    I do think Michael Dangerfield gave a strong performance as Godfrey.
    Godfrey was by far my favorite part of the episode. Which is too bad for an episode that was intended to feature the return of Kara.

    I understand not everyone cares about firsts the way I do.
    While firsts aren't necessarily a big deal for me they gave Kara a bunch of Supes specific firsts. And that's too bad. At least they didn't actually use the term "Supergirl" (or at least I didn't hear it.)

    That was the big Clark and Lois reunion scene? How underwhelming. I compare this scene to the one in Metallo, and I don't think its even close. I can't say what I was expecting, exactly. But I expected....more.
    I wouldn't have had Lois in the teaser because they should have been able to focus on each other 100% for their reunion. Tess could have worked that scene beautifully - not only would I have liked to hear Tess' take on Godfrey she could have expositioned Cat's sudden absence and teased Lois' return. And even Oliver might have been OK. I bet he and Clark could have had some fun back and forth during Godfrey's speech.

    But on SV, so often, I feel like they are just coming up with excuses to put Erica in ridiculous costumes, and I very much felt this was the case here
    Definitely. I'm almost surprised it took seven years for them to put Lois in an dominatrix outfit. Even if it seemed like they pretty much just re-purposed the Stiletto outfit.

    It seems clear to me that writer ACS is very much a Lois Lane fan.
    I saw awhile back that ACS tweeted about how much she loves writing for Lois. I do think Lois had a few good lines I have to confess based I what I read I expected... better, I guess?

    I think Lois is about to get a shitload of credit for just about anything positive Clark does from here on out.
    Oh, I hope you are wrong! I so hope you are wrong.

    Unfortunately you have a decent track record at being right.

    "You're such a bang-up gal..." Who the hell talks like this? Did I mention this script was awful?
    Heh! So true, but I kind of just let that line go. Compared to some of the horrible tongue twisters the actors are forced to suffer through? This one didn't seem so bad.

    jeannev
    Oct. 11th, 2010 09:19 pm (UTC)
    It does seem that for an episode called Supergirl, Kara might not have even been the A storyline.

    For me, Supes specific firsts are a big deal, especially since SV has taken so, so many of them away from Clark over the years. At this point, I have to seriously ask myself this...has Clark ever had an original idea in regards to heroics? Ever? And thats coming from me, who loves Clark like crazy. So, when you have Kara do what she did, we are once again left with Clark's debut being unoriginal. How is that a good thing? I think defending the writers for this decision is inexplicable.

    I think its obvious that ACS really likes writing Lois. Now, whether or not she did a great job of it is certainly up for debate. But I think that has less to do with how Lois came across, and more to do with the fact that the episode and the dialogue was just plain bad.

    Sometimes I think the writers are stuck in some sort of weird time dimensional warp, where they have their characters talk like they are from a different era, or make references to something that was hip and now more then 10 years ago.
    shopgirl318
    Oct. 16th, 2010 04:59 am (UTC)
    Hi.:D The episode was okay. I thought "Homecoming" was much more enjoyable but I won't get into details because I am not sure you watched it yet and I need to view it again myself. I am not sure I like the direction the show is taking with Clark about the darkness/pure of heart. For all of Clark's faults and fallible ways as a human/alien I always considered him to be pure of heart in helping people be the best they could be and protecting others. I dunno.

    This issues around this episode reminded me of the season 8 ep "Infamous." I am wondering if TPTB jus pull stuff out of their asses sometimes, this similar subject was brought up and beat to beat to death in the last 3 seasons. I was thinking remember Infamous TPTB and Clark? All of that crap that Clark went through because he decided to reveal himself as The Blur so why shouldn't Kara receive negative backlash especially when the media and the government is hellbent on saying that vigilantes need to be stopped etc so why should Kara's save be received as anything different?

    The little continuity SV has contained from season 8 on about this whole issue with Clark it makes the previous episodes seem like childplay and Clark over angsting for nothing which is stupid. I am not getting this whole thing, between this and Homecoming I think I am clueless right now. I understand that Clark does have doubts but this is Clark and he will always have doubts about himself but not being impure of heart on doing the right. SV also covered the darkness being apart of Clark with the Red-k eps and then some in the earlier seasons so I am not getting this either. Sorry for the long post!


    jeannev
    Oct. 17th, 2010 03:50 pm (UTC)
    I'm not really a fan of the direction they're going with Clark, even after Homecoming. But I think I just need to accept that the writing for Clark is never going to be the writing I think it should be. The direction they've chosen will never be the direction I believe they should've chosen.

    And ugh, must you remind me of Infamous? LOL I loathe that episode, with its confusing and convaluted script.

    No sorries necessary. Long posts are A-OK with me. :)
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