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SV S9 DVDs

I got the SV S9 DVD's on friday.  Last night, I decided to watch the episodes that have commentary with them.  Thats Idol, with Erica Durance, Kelly Souders and Brian Peterson.  And Kandor, with Callum Blue, Turi Meyer and the chatty twitter guy, Al Septien.

On the Idol commentary, I thought Erica was very adorable, very sweet, and very much involved with her character.  Its obvious that she takes this role very seriously, and gives Lois a lot of thought and consideration.  Its also very obvious that she and Tom enjoy a very easy, very harmonious working relationship.  She didn't relate any stories or anecdotes that were too personal for Tom, but its clear she finds him collaborative, patient, and humble.  I especially liked when she spoke about how good he is with the non-verbal expressions, and how he just doesn't seem to realize how good he is because he just does it.  Really, I enjoyed Erica thoroughly.

Souders and Peterson, however....well, lets just say I get the same impression off of them that I always get off of them.  Which isn't entirely favorable.  They aren't as obnoxious or in-your-face as Al Gough was, or as clueless as Miles Millar seemed to be.  But I think what bothers me most about K&B, and I get it from this commentary too, is that they just doesn't seem overly interested in Clark Kent, the character.  They are interested in the people around him, they like being able to play in the DC world, and they are respectful of Tom.  But I never feel any passion or commitment to the character of Clark.  Clark often gets criticized as a reationary character, and while I think many criticisms of the character are unwarranted, this one has merit, I think.  And when you hear the showrunners speak, you sort of understand why.  Because they just seem much more animated and engaged in the characters around him, and so he's written to react to them. 

There wasn't as much talk about that great Clark/Wonder Twins scene I liked so much, which was disappointing.  The blame for that falls on K&B, not Erica.

Its clear to me that Idol was written as a showcase for Lois Lane, and it was.  Clark was great in it too, but its really Lois' episode.

The Kandor commentary was just a bit boring.  No fault of Callum Blue, who came off as very personable, and very charming.  You can tell that he approached the show enthusiastically, and gave his Zod a great deal of preparation and thought.  I thought he showed a wonderful understanding of who the character was, and why he was.  He did talk about his tendency to be "hammy" (his words, BTW), and he said that for this character, he really liked getting right up into another actor's face and into their space to try and intimidate them.  He said Tom was the best with that, because Tom just turned to face him totally and didn't flinch.  He didn't say it exactly, but I got the sense he felt that the other actors flinched a bit.  He also commented on how good looking Tom and Justin were, and that whenever he saw them, he wanted to beat them up, but they were much bigger then him.  Which was adorable.

Turi and Al seemed like very nice guys, but not scintillating speakers.  But why should they be, they're writers, not speakers.  They did mention that Tom was originally supposed to portray Jor-El, but they thought it would be awkward for the emotional scenes (and Tom seems to be the person that pointed that out).  And I totally understand that reasoning.  But they never do discuss why they choose an actor that has ZERO resemblence to Tom, given that Clark and Jor-El were supposed to look very much alike.  Thats just one bit of continuity that I never was able to let go, but YMMV.  They also spoke about how it was intentional to have Clark and Joe-El interact only very briefly so it would be more tragic.  They do love their tragedy.

The Clark/Tess scene with the choke hold?  They never address the controversy of the move.  They skimmed right over it.

One thing that bugged me A LOT was on both commentaries, they acknowledge that Chloe is doing some heinous shit.  In fact Callum talks about how he was trying to figure out the Chlark relationship, and he wasn't quite sure if they were friends or enemies.  But K&B dismiss all her actions with "she is Clark's ultimate protector" (a quote, BTW).  Funny how they offer absolutely NO perspective from Clark's side of that equation.  So, knowing that they were writing Chloe this way, and knowing that what she was doing was really wrong, and then knowing that they whitewashed the whole thing, and had Clark be the one apologizing over and over again, until the 2nd to last ep of the season....well, it just makes me incredibly ragey all over again.

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jude_judith82
Sep. 12th, 2010 04:22 pm (UTC)
Hey! I got my DVD's this week and I started watching. I don't feel spoiled cause I've watched all the episodes your talking about. Can I say that I've found myself hating Chloe so much. I'm watching it with my sister and I got so upset that I started crying. Of course this is humiliating since I think I take this show so seriously. I'm disappointed (ok so it was a bit of a spoiler but still who cares ;-)) that they didn't address this. I really thought they were going somewhere and she would see consequences for her actions. Now with the rumors for next season concerning her character I'm getting all hot-headed again.
jeannev
Sep. 12th, 2010 11:17 pm (UTC)
Oh, I'm sorry. It never occured to me that I might be spoiling anyone. I should've put a disclaimer. I hope I didn't spoil anything for you.

The character of Chloe was such a huge problem for me in S9. And let me be clear about something here...because I find this is often misrespresented...but I did have some issues with how Clark walked away from her in the beginning of this season. So, its not as though I don't have any understanding about why she would be more emotionally distant with him. But the nastiness, and the mistrust, and just her general attitude towards him I have never been able to understand. And when you have another actor on the show, who isn't really familiar with the history between the actors, make the observation that he doesn't know if they are friends or enemies, then I think its obvious that we weren't seeing something that wasn't there.

And its so disappointing to me, because the whole Chlark situation could've built up to a much more satisfying climax. Where Chloe and Clark could really have had it out, and both had genuine grievances, and then you could really believe that they would come out the other side in a more healthy place. But alas...
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jeannev
Sep. 12th, 2010 11:26 pm (UTC)
Oh, I think Tom is terribly underrated. And I'll go even futher and say the oft repeated mantra that he was bad in the earlier seasons is also a load of bunk. I have never been a believer in the supposed great acting disparity in the SV cast.

When they explained why Tom didn't play Jor-El, I totally understood the reasoning. But then they just ignore the fact that Clark and Jor-El were supposed to closely resemble each other. And I find that sort of conceit off-putting. That whole "well, if we just ignore it, the audience will to". And I'm sure some people won't have a problem with it, but I think as writers and showrunners, you should want to do better.

But then again, I don't understand why blonde, lithe Helen Slater was chosen to play Clark's mother, and tall dark-haired, light-eyed Lynda Carter was used to play Chloe's mother. Hello!

It was pretty amazing to me that when they were talking about Chloe being Clark's ultimate protector, and all that, it was 100% from Chloe's POV. Completely. As though Clark just had no say in the matter, and shouldn't have a say in the matter. And it amazes me that showrunners/writers could be so uninterested in the POV of their main character as opposed to a supporting character. But the commentary makes no bones about how much Souders/Peterson love it that Chloe is large and in charge.
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la_belle_isa
Sep. 12th, 2010 06:33 pm (UTC)
//But they never do discuss why they choose an actor that has ZERO resemblence to Tom, given that Clark and Jor-El were supposed to look very much alike. Thats just one bit of continuity that I never was able to let go.//
Me neither. And that's what a lot of fans wanted to know. I noticed that the writers and tptb always seem to believe that dropping Tom's name is enough to get away with anything.
I'm reading a book about Superman and the medias. The author talks a little about SV, but it's not the object of the book; so he talks a bit about Helen Slater playing "Kara's aunt". That's all. It just never crossed the writer's mind that she was Clark's mother. And I think it just looked like that in S7. Lara had more to do with Kara then with Clark. And in fact, Helen looks like she could be Laura's mother.
As for the "tragic" moment between Jor-el and Clark, I never felt it because it was too short. And imo, when you get an actor with a "name" to play Clark's father, I think there are ways to make it tragic AND make the character interact with his son.
I don't know why tptb do stuff like that but their half-baked excuses are entertaining in a way, if not satisfying.
jeannev
Sep. 12th, 2010 11:30 pm (UTC)
Like you, I felt that by making the interaction between Clark and Jor-El so short, it really didn't resonate emotionally for me. And quite frankly, I didn't buy that Clark would be cradling him in his arms like that. With everything that Clark's experianced with AI Jor'El, I would expect him to be a bit more ambivalent. Its a loss, to be sure. But its a loss of someone he didn't even get the chance to know. At all.

I think Julian Sands is a good actor. And I welcomed him appearing on SV. But as Jor-El? Thats just not good casting to me. And I think they could've done the casting a bit more mindful of the canon they established on the show previously.
audrey229
Sep. 12th, 2010 09:09 pm (UTC)
Great comments. I agree with everything you said. I have not had time to watch the "Kandor" commentary yet but everything I've heard seems to be positive about Callum Blue. It's on my list for this weekend. I agree with you that it's a mystery as to why they cast someone who looks nothing like Tom.

I admit that the "Idol" commentary was the first thing I watched because I do like Erica very much and so I'm always happy to hear her voice. I loved that she pointed out how naturally gifted Tom is with his facial expressions. I think Tom is nothing short of a master with his facial expressions. He turns his head or twitches his lips and it's as if an entire conversation has passed. It's just brilliant. The opening scene of "Savior" where Clark catches the train is, imo, one of his most brilliant moments of the season.

I was dissapointed that Brian and Kelly talked through Clark's moment with the Wonder Twins. I waited for them to stop talking and talk about the scene and they didn't.

It's funny that you say that "Idol" was written as a showcase for Lois. After "Idol" aired I remember thinking that both Erica and Tom were outstanding in the episode but that "Idol" had really been Erica's episode. But after "Charade" aired (which was supposed to be Idol Part 2) I remember thinking the opposite---the Erica had been great but that Tom had stolen that episode out from under her. I thought it was interesting that those episodes were supposed to go together and that, imo at least, Erica sort of owned one of them and Tom owned the other.

I don't find Kelly and Brian nearly as offensive as I found Al or Miles but I admit that I wish they were willing to go deeper when it comes to their discussion about Clark. Or anything...for that matter. Erica pointed out in the commentary that Allison's character was doing some terrible things over the course of the season but that she felt Allison was selling it. But then I remember Kelly and Brian basically whitewashing the whole thing. I had the same frustration that you did. The thing that annoys me is...why is it so bad to admit that Chloe did some bad things? Why isn't she allowed to truly sin? It doesn't mean she's a horrible person or a bad character. A person can come back from their mistakes. That's what redemption is for. And yes, I despise the idea that all mistakes are justified because "it's for Clark." It's never fair to put Clark in that position where he must feel responsible for other people's poor choices because they "did it for him." Honestly, I know a lot of people hate religious comparisons but that's like a terrorist blowing up an abortion clinic but saying that they did it for God.

Not sure if you've caught the deleted scenes yet. Most of them were a waste of time. However, there was one from "Conspiracy" that I wish had made the cut. It was a scene where Faora and Vala go to see Clark in his barn. A few things happen in the scene that I think were important.
1)Vala acknowledges her part in the whole equation and Clark makes sure to emphasis again that they can't treat humans like that again. 2) Clark tells them they can use Lois as an example of how humans can be trusted 3) They offer him dogtags as a show of peace and family. So the audience was reminded that Clark was gaining their trust and making an impact. Wish they had kept that scene in.
jeannev
Sep. 12th, 2010 11:40 pm (UTC)
Callum is really very charming. I wasn't a huge fan of his Zod, but I definitely feel like I'm more of a Callum Blue fan after hearing the commentary. I wish he had done the commentary for Conspiracy, or Upgrade. Episodes where he spends more time interacting with Tom, or Erica. As it was, I just wasn't all that interested in his acting experiances with Julian Sands.

At the end of the Clark/Wonder Twins scene, Kelly does make a comment about seeing Clark as a mentor after all the years he's been mentored, but it seems like an inadequate comment based on what the scene was. I guess I just saw that scene as very important.

Its interesting what you said about Idol/Charade. I can see what you're saying about them seeming like Part 1 and 2, but honestly, they both feel like Lois showcases to me. Not that Clark isn't great in them, because he is. But to me, it just feels like Lois is in the focal character in both eps.

K&B are not as offensive as AlMiles, but there's also something vaguely clueless about them which rubs me wrong in a completely different way.

I think the stuff with Chloe on the commentary bugged me so much because we know now that the whole storyline just never really seemed to go anywhere, and we also know that Clark was all apologetic to her while Chloe was still looking at him like he was gum on her shoe. And if they knew Chloe was doing heinous stuff, why did they go in that direction? I don't get it. But yeah, they do seem to have this idea that no one can be really wrong...except Clark.

BTW, I didn't mention it, but on the Kandor commentary there is some talk about the character of Oliver, and how he was struggling with things he did, and so on. But I felt really frustrated that they seemed to omit the whole kryptonite arrow in the back. They're the ones that put in the episode, so why do they feel like its something that should be ignored?

I haven't seen the deleted scenes yet, but thats the one I am looking forward to. I thought the friendship that developed between Clark and Faora was so touching, and I hate that Clark's finding Vala and bringing her back to Faora all occured in Offscreensville.
tariel22
Sep. 12th, 2010 09:55 pm (UTC)
My reaction to the commentaries was much like your own, which is why I didn't bother to transcribe either of them this time. I love Erica, but K&B would make these offhand remarks that made me so angry, and were so revealing about how they approach the show. In one breath they would talk about the terrible things Chloe was doing, and in the next they would glorify her for it, because it was all for Clark. Grrr. And based on AM's performance, I don't really buy that Chloe's motivations were altruistic anyway.

There was definitely not enough gushy Tom love this time! :) Mairzee Almas and Cassidy need to do a commentary every time! It surprised me how blase the producers and writers were about scenes that were met with such passion, both positive and negative, from the fans. It made them seem a little out of touch to me. I would never want the show to be written to fans' desires (although I think it already is in some instances), but I would expect them to understand Clark's character enough to know which scenes will be especially thrilling or disappointing for his fans.

It was interesting to find out that the scenes between Clark and Jor-El were kept brief because having Tom play both parts would have been time-consuming and expensive to film and treat in post, but their explanation for why that didn't change once the decision was made to cast JS didn't fly with me. I think they just didn't want to bother with rewrites at that point.

It cracked me up that it was Erica who arranged all those phallic symbols in the therapist's office. I wondered who was responsible for that! :) And of course I loved that Erica brought up Tom's mastery of nuance (you and I both talk about that all the time in our reviews), and his humility about it. Erica and Tom seem to have very different acting styles. Erica always talks about how collaborative her process is, how she develops her performance with lots of input from the director, the writers, the showrunners, and even her husband. What we hear about Tom, OTOH, is how the directors tend to stand back and let him work, and how he comes up with lots of ideas and suggestions for not only his own character, but others as well. I guess that's why he loves directing, and why he's so good at it.

After listening to these commentaries, I hope more than ever that Tom will do one for this final season. Ideally with Michael, for a S10 episode they're both in!
jeannev
Sep. 12th, 2010 11:50 pm (UTC)
I'm glad to hear that your reaction mirrored my own, because sometimes I wonder if I'm just so incredibly jaded and irritated by K&B that I lack all objectivity. I know you definitely don't.

Erica was delightful. I really do want to stress that.

I preferred the gushy Tom love on last seasons DVD commentary.

I was shocked that Al & Turi had absolutely zero to say about the Clark/Tess scene in Kandor, because Al knew perfectly well how mixed a reaction that got. And the DVD commentary provides the perfect place to explain why they went in that direction, and what the thinking was behind it. But they just ignored it, and instead focused on the fact that Clark was letting Tess see his powers. Hello! Missing the forest for the trees there guys.

In the end, all I really wanted from the casting of Jor-El in Kandor was to be able to believe that he was the father of SV's Clark Kent. And instead, they hired an actor who looked like he was Oliver Queen's father. After already hiring an actress to play Clark's mother that bore no resemblence to him at all.

Bottom line, I think they just really wanted to work with Julian Sands, and thats all that mattered to them. Another case of their "Wouldn't it be cool if..." attitude.

I did love that Erica described Tom as "very generous". Because it does seem like Tom is very aware of giving his acting partner whatever they need to give a good performance. I find that very admirable of him.

I still think there's some sort of money issue with Tom and the DVD's. Because not only doesn't he do commentaries, he was the first one to deny permission to use him in the bloopers, and he also hasn't participated in any of their special features. Not the Reckoning one, not the Absolute Justice one. None of them. So, I just believe there's another issue here that we don't know about.
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shalimarfox80
Sep. 13th, 2010 05:02 am (UTC)
Thanks for this review. You know I agree with your views on PS, only I'll add that they're not like that with just Clark but in fact, every character, and it's not because they're not interested in the characters. I do believe that they want to right many wrongs by their predecessors, and they want to stay true to the Superman mythology, but perhaps they are just poor speakers. At times I'm appalled by their views on the characters and relationships but then (thankfully) those views don't come into play on the series, the way they talk about it. I don't think that they're totally clueless about the intentions of their characters, nor are they disinterested in them but they just don't know what they're talking about when they talk about them.

I wholeheartedly agree with the Chloe crap. For one, I'll never understand that if they believe that Chloe is 'Clark's protector' why the hell don't they SHOW us that she is? They tell us that she's Clark's friend or protector or whatever the shit, but her actions are contrary to what they believe her to be.

If she's Clark's friend, and she wants to protect his interests, WHY THE HELL is it so difficult for them to show that her loyalties never waver, that she has Clark's best interest in her heart.

Instead they show us that she has ambiguous morals, questionable and blatantly wrong methods, the ones she herself acknowledges that Clark will never 'approve of', she hides things from him, keeps secrets, blames him for her own blunders, goes behind his back in about everything she does, and then the creators come and tell us that she's Clark's protector? And what's more, that Clark has to put his seal of approval on all her pathetic methods and to add insult to injury, he has to apologize to her, where it is evident that he has never been at any fault.

I will never get what PTB's mindset here is. They make her a villain, a woman with no consequences or shame over her actions, but then they make Clark acknowledge her methods and shove down our throats that she's his 'friend' or 'protector'. How can they want us to believe that, it's beyond me.
jeannev
Sep. 13th, 2010 01:57 pm (UTC)
I understand wanting to stay "true" to the mythology, but on the other hand, SV has been its own thing for a very long time. Sometimes, I think they forfeit what SV has been to try to fit it into something else. To me, this both ways arguement about SV being original, and mythos, gets very exhausting. When I watch the show now, I very often get the impression that my viewership (and my 9 years of viewership) is not supposed to count as much as "mythos" fans, and I find that more then a bit irritating. I don't want to have to run to Wikipedia to figure out who half the guest characters are.

But, I do honestly believe that K&B are not that interested in Clark. Or, maybe they just aren't as interested in him as they should be for a main character. I have never, through the entire run of the show, had a harder time trying to figure out what Clark is thinking, and feeling, and where he's coming from. And that because K&B seem very uninterested in exploring Clark's POV. This is very much illustrated by the Chloe/Clark comments on the Idol commentary. How Clark feels about Chloe's actions, or her being his "ultimate protector" is just completely a non-issue for them. On the Kandor commentary, when Al & Turi are talking about Oliver, and him struggling, and him and Clark not being on firm ground, its all done from Oliver's POV. As though Clark would have no good reason to withdraw from Oliver in return.

And that, to me, shows a general lack of interest.

I think K&B really, really love AM and Chloe. I think that really sums up what they did.
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shalimarfox80
Sep. 13th, 2010 05:11 am (UTC)
For the record, I think that both Sands and Slater were poor choices to play Clark's biological parents. There's no way they can make me believe that these two made a baby that looks like Welling. Stupid.

ITA with everything that has been said here regarding Clark's POV on Chloe's matter, but I won't delve into it further because it frustrates me so much, even more so because I know that Chloe will be given a hero send off in S10 and things will never get addressed from Clark's POV. We'll never get to know what Clark thinks about the girl who was once his sincere friend but then she got consumed by so much ambition and over confidence.
jeannev
Sep. 13th, 2010 01:59 pm (UTC)
And thats the biggest reason why I just can't believe in a Chlark detente. If they don't really delve into the issues, then the resolution is not at all believable.

I still think Lynda Carter should've been cast as Lara. Because you would totally believe that woman birthed someone that looked like Tom Welling.
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eeyore1017
Sep. 13th, 2010 08:46 am (UTC)
We had similar thoughts and feelings about this commentary. They made me like Callum Blue more, and K & B less.

I was all set to post the cute Tom quotes from the commentaries on my lj like I think I did last year, but the only ones that stick out in my mind are Callum's about how good looking he & Justin are, the whole getting in his face and him not flinching thing, and Erica's compliment about his talent for subtlety. I guess I couldn't bring myself to post an entry about so few things. Or I'm just lazy. :-)

Overall, I was disappointed by the commentaries. I also felt like the BTS special about Absolute Justice went on for way too long. Like you and Tariel, I wonder what else is going on that Tom barely appears and never speaks during any of the BTS/commentary stuff. I guess we'll probably never know the real reason(s).

My fingers are crossed for better extras on Season 10, but my overall enthusiasm for SV has died down- as you can probably tell by my lack of posting/gushing these last few months. Sigh...
jeannev
Sep. 13th, 2010 02:03 pm (UTC)
Callum was A-Dorable. I loved the fact that he seemed to recognize his bad habits as an actor, i.e. tendency to be hammy.

The commentaries for this year were a bit underwhelming. Honestly, I think the last really good commentaries that SV has had were in S4. And thats such a shame.

I didn't watch the BTS special on AJ yet, because honestly, I didn't much care for the ep. I don't really care what the guest stars had to say all that much. And Geoff Johns just bugs the crap out of me.

I understand the lack of enthusiasm. I just can't seem to find any for S10. And I have no hope for the S10 DVDs.
jwm_rocks
Sep. 13th, 2010 12:53 pm (UTC)
To me the Idol commentary made S & P seem like they were at a meeting of the mutual admiration society. Over the course of forty minutes there wasn't anything about the episode they wished they could have pulled off better or would have done differently? Instead they practically squeed over all the scenes that played out exactly as they imagined in their heads. Not that I think they should be overly critical of themselves or their show but come on. No episode is perfect.

Aside from the compliments on nuance and patience Erica had for Tom I loved that the idea of Lois having trouble seeing through the glasses was his idea. And the fact that she came up with the idea of kicking the bundle of newspapers over to stand on for their kiss was a fun detail.

Oh and I found the fact that Erica couldn't stop laughing when she was supposed to be caressing Tom's chest in the opening scene kind of adorable.

I did enjoy hearing they played around with the idea that the therapist would either be Kryptonian or decide to work for them.

The observation that everyone in the writers room seemed to have been to therapy but none them were inclined to admit it was pretty funny.

They considered doing a Wonder Twins episode with toddlers that Clark would have to baby sit? On one hand I thank the heavens they never followed through on that idea. On the other I'm sure parts of that episode would have been really cute and sweet.

I'm so over the Chloe stuff it didn't even bother me anymore. I did find it interesting that Callum wasn't sure if they were friends or enemies and I don't remember Al and Turi jumping to Chloe's defense either.

I do wish they'd addressed the choke hold Clark laid on Tess. Maybe in retrospect they're embarressed and would rather sweep it under the rug?

I guess Kandor was Callum's show piece episode so that would be the one they'd ask him to do but it's a shame it was also an episode where he only interacted with one other regular and even there he didn't seem to have a whole lot to say about Cassidy.
jeannev
Sep. 13th, 2010 02:09 pm (UTC)
Oh, K&B are always spraining their shoulders, patting themselves on the back. In fact, I find all the SV writers seem to be really, really pleased with themselves. Sometimes, inexplicably. But K&B are by far the worst. There is something really out-of-touch with those 2. And really, I think they are in charge now only because they are the last 2 standing.

I actually think Clark with toddler Wonder Twins might've been off-the-charts adorable. But then again, I'm such a sucker for Tom with kids.

I think its so telling that Callum thought Clark and Chloe might actually be enemies. Because that means all that hostility I was seeing in their scenes wasn't just in my imagination. Another cast member was actually seeing it too. And I don't understand why a show builds that sort of thing up, and then doesn't bother to have a satisfying resolution to it. Whether you think Chloe was wrong, or Clark was wrong, or they were both wrong. It doesn't matter. The resolution was one big fizzle and Yawn, and didn't really seem to settle anything at all.

You point out something I missed. Callum really doesn't talk about much Cassidy. He talks about the Zod/Tess relationship, but I don't think he relied one personal anecdote about Cassidy at all. And you'd think there would be something there, considering how much they worked with each other.
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brijeana
Sep. 14th, 2010 12:24 am (UTC)
Wasn't Erica cute! I don't have the DVDs yet but I listened to a bit of her Idol commentary on youtube.

Your comments about Cassidy Freeman make me want to listen to the season 8 commentary. That season was so painful for me. I watched Allison's directing thing and the Doomsday suit thing and the deleted scenes and called it a day.

Sad that Tom didn't participate more.

Thanks for sharing. I look forward to buying the Season 9 DVDs at some point.
jeannev
Sep. 14th, 2010 12:30 am (UTC)
Cassidy and director Marizee Almas were lots of fun on the Identity commentary. They were very excited about Tom, which is always fun to listen to.

I liked the first half of S8, but it takes a serious nose dive around Bride, and it just got bad. Really bad.

We all love Tom dearly, but sometimes, he's kind of a butthead. A gorgeous, talented butthead, but still...
cbrownjc
Sep. 14th, 2010 02:20 am (UTC)
So, big "yeah" on the Chloe thing. I admit, I actually did a double take when B&K talked about how "sinister" or whatever Chloe was being. I, at once, immediately felt vindicated regarding my opinion on Chloe's actions last season, and angry/disappointed that the show itself never gave us that POV wrt Chloe's actions. B&K never had the guts to show, unequivocally, that her actions were wrong.

I've said this before and I'll say it again - Chloe doing the things she did didn't make her evil, it didn't make her a villain. It just made her wrong. But at every turn last season they whitewashed ever making that point clear. And for the life of me, I do not know why. Because a good, skilled writer can love a character of theirs while still acknowledge - and making it perfectly clear - that this person is doing bad things, no matter how much of a hero they may be in other things. JK Rowling did so with the character of Severus Snape for example. With Chloe, it was like Brian & Kelly were afraid to go the whole way with making that point all season, to my utter frustration.

As to the DVD itself - eh. SV DVDs are so skimpy on extras that I have honestly never bought anyway. Only two commentaries? Whatev'. Only reason I caved a bought season 9 was because I couldn't find my DVRs of most of the first half of the season, and there are many more episodes I wanted to re-watch this season than I have for the past 4 seasons.

Edited at 2010-09-14 02:25 am (UTC)
jeannev
Sep. 14th, 2010 02:25 am (UTC)
There's one point on the commentary, that scene where Clark realizes that Chloe was tapping into his cellphone, and K&B acknowledge that what Chloe is doing is so wrong, then Brian chuckles about how Chloe was able to turn it around, and onto Clark. I mean, really, WTF? And people really don't understand why I think that K&B have absolutely no regard for Clark? Well, right there would be example A

And its a shame, because honestly, there was a good story there for Chloe, and there was a chance for good development for Chloe and Clark. And it all sort of fizzled into nothing, which just made it seem like all that had come earlier was a monumental waste of my time.

I wouldn't say that K&B were brave showrunners at all. They are serviceable at best.
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quickbeam.dreamwidth.org
Sep. 15th, 2010 05:52 am (UTC)
Thanks for your review of those commentaries. Can't say I'm surprised though, especially that part about KS & PS.

So, knowing that they were writing Chloe this way, and knowing that what she was doing was really wrong, and then knowing that they whitewashed the whole thing...

I'd always remember that scene in "Quest" for things like this. I remember many of us were all very happy with how they had Clark articulating his POV during that barn loft scene with Chloe at the end, when she asked him to just kill Lex and be done with it, and Clark responded that wasn't something for him to decide. And yet when we finally get BP to talk about the scene in the companion books, it's clear he thought it's actually Chloe who was right in that scene.
jeannev
Sep. 15th, 2010 11:50 am (UTC)
Well, thats the thing exactly. Sure, they talk about Chloe doing heinous things on the commentary, but its not as if they talk about Clark being right on....well, anything. So, you really do get the impression that they are far more interested in Chloe's POV then Clarks.
(Anonymous)
Sep. 19th, 2010 08:01 am (UTC)
The commentary from Peterson and Souders in Idol pretty much shows how right I was about the 9th season not being the best one because it was far from it. It focused on Lois and the supporting characters as their priorities were in question and rightfully so. The first half of the 9th season was really weak because it focused mainly on Lois and her storyline of her time in the alternate future.

When Callum Blue was wondering about the Clark/ Chloe relationship, that pretty sums up most viewers' as well. The 9th season also showed me that Chloe didn't need all 22 episodes and I'm glad that she's in 5 episodes for the 10th season.

The only things I cared about were Absolute Justice, Salvation, and the JSA featurette. The 9th season had better action than the 8th season did, but everything else sucked. If it weren't for these things, I'd have called the 9th season to be the weakest season.
jeannev
Sep. 19th, 2010 04:34 pm (UTC)
Hi Anon (feel free to sign your posts with your name...if you want).

I also don't feel that the 9th season was the best. For me, it all comes down to Clark, how he's written, and how he's relating with other characters. Was the 9th season the worst season for Clark? No, not at all. Was it the best? Well, no, not at all. The glaring omission of his POV for much of the season is like a huge, gaping hole in the season for me.

I dont begrudge more focus on Lois, because frankly she's been neglected in prior seasons. Do I feel the focus on Lois in S9 was a little overboard? Yes, I do.

I loved when Callum said that about the Chloe/Clark stuff, because if another actor working on the show couldn't figure out where the relationship was coming from, then it validates me as a viewer, since I couldn't figure it out either. I had my fill of Chloe last season, but truthfully, I'd prefer she was in more eps this season, or wasn't in it at all. I feel like this 5 ep thing is a recipe for disaster. I've seen how they handled the 5 ep wrap-up before, with Lana. *shudders*

There were some eps in S9 I really liked. Rabid, Idol, Conspiracy, Crossfire, Warrior were all eps I enjoyed a lot. I think Absolute Justice is pretty to look at, but a real disappointment from a Clark POV.
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