?

Log in

Previous Entry | Next Entry

Unpopular Opinions, the Smallville verson

Sometimes, weird questions just pop into my mind when it comes to SV.  I don't know what it is about this show that inspires me so.

Anyway, I used to belong to a board about another show, and every so often the "Unpopular Opinions" thread would pop up.  And it was sort of fun to see so many people coming out of the closet with opinions they felt were pretty out there (and finding lots of people who felt the same).

Now, here are the guidelines....by saying "unpopular", its referring to SV fandom in general, as you've experianced it.  And I want you to come up with between 3 and 5.  Also, this is not a Debate Thread.  Meaning, no asking anyone for clarification, or justification, and basically no disagreeing.  Its an unpopular opinion thread, so I think going in we are all well aware that the opinions expressed might have people who vehemently disagree with them.  And thats OK, but I'm trying to create a free zone for this thread. 

I'll start:

1.  I don't think Clark was a bad friend to Lex
2. I don't think there is some great disparity amongst the SV actors as far as acting talent, with the possible exception of John Glover.  And I think Tom was pretty spot-on in S1.
3.  I like season 4
4. I think the idea that Clark had some sort of idyllic, perfect upbringing because his parents loved him is a fallacy.  I also think Jonathan and Martha had many failings as parents
5.  I think the idea that the character of Chloe has been terribly abused by this show does NOT stand up to the show canon.

Wow, I could do about 25 of these, easy.  LOL

Anyone else want to try?  Remember, its a safe zone. :)

ETA:  Just a note.  Many of my replies on this thread seem to have disappeared, for reasons only Live Journal would know.  So, if you thought you saw a post from me, and now its gone, thats why.  I have no freaking clue what happened.

Comments

( 113 comments — Leave a comment )
Page 1 of 2
<<[1] [2] >>
jude_judith82
Aug. 5th, 2010 02:53 am (UTC)
Ok I'll give it a shot also I need to get off the computer.

1. I don't get the point of the Green Arrow. He's basically Batman-lite a label he finally shed in the comics after many years of being that. Unfortunately on SV that's what he is again.

2. Chloe for me is character that long ago lost her usefulness. I think the writers love her so much that they sacrifice other characters storylines forgetting that she's frankly not that important.

3.As much as I loved Lex on SV I think that people forget that Lex is obsessed with Superman (Clark) and not the other way around. Frankly I can make this same complaint for the movies as well. Yeah Superman is much more than Lex Luthor's nemesis.

4.Speaking of which I think Lex was always shady he just tempered it at times with some good deed. But the man always had an agenda.
(Deleted comment)
(no subject) - jude_judith82 - Aug. 5th, 2010 03:20 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - theclexfactor - Aug. 5th, 2010 04:41 pm (UTC) - Expand
miss_tress
Aug. 5th, 2010 02:56 am (UTC)
While I'm trying to think of some of my own I just want to say that I TOTALLY agree with all five of your unpopular opinions. In fact, I think S4 is the season I've re-watched the most besides S1.
gildinwen
Aug. 5th, 2010 02:57 am (UTC)
I think Lex made his own choice to go down the dark route, and no amount of concessions from Clark could have saved him


I think Chloe and Lex were damn lucky Clark decided to try and mend his friendships with in season 4 instead of turning them into a pair of matching cufflinks.

I don't think that Chloe was abused by the show, it's called character developement people.

Not everyone gets a happy ending with a white knight to ride of with into the sunset. It's not deserved either.

At the beginning the only actors who stood to me where John Glover, John Schneider, Annette, and Michael, everyone else is about the same level

I think Smallville has actually done a fantastics job of dealing with the post Crisis idea that "Clark" is the real person and "Superman" is the disguise.
me_ya_ri
Aug. 5th, 2010 03:01 am (UTC)
Totally agree with all five, especially #1 and #4. Really #4.

Really strange unpopular opinion to come from me, given that I write Clex almost exclusively:

I truly don't believe that canon!Lex and canon!Clark could make it work as either friends or lovers over the long term.

(It's why I write AU pretty much exclusively.)
x_pixilated_x
Aug. 5th, 2010 03:16 am (UTC)
1, 2, 4, 5 *nods like an over eager puppy* Totally there with you!

Hmm don't really hang round SV central enough to know which opinions are unpopular buuuut 1. I think Chloe was out of order concerning most things Clark during the first couple of seasons

2. I don't think they should have brought Lois Lane onto the show *ducks head*

3. I watch the Clark/Lex friendship on screen and I don't see anything near a proper stable relationship. I don't understand how people can say they were so close when we only caught glimpses of friendship. 99% of the show was dedicated to them rescuing/lying/accusing/pushing (over and over and over) each other.

...running away now.

clari_clyde
Aug. 5th, 2010 03:27 am (UTC)
*waves* here via friendsfriends

I agree with all of your points. How refreshing! Also adding my own:

I like Lois and Lana and Chloe. Liking any one of them is not mutually exclusive to liking anyone else.

There are no light-switches for any of the characters. It’s all in the details, even the small ones.

Just because SV gets a lot wrong, that doesn’t mean it gets everything wrong. Sometimes, it does things right too.
brijeana
Aug. 7th, 2010 07:37 am (UTC)
I like the idea of no light switches. I also like the reminder that sometimes SV gets things right.
tasabian
Aug. 5th, 2010 03:31 am (UTC)
- I like Chloe and Lois equally. And I like Lana in S7, especially in Wrath & Siren.
- For me, the earlier seasons are better than the latter seasons
- if Michael returns, a Lex-with-Hair is fine by me.
- I want Clark to kiss Tess in S10. Don't care how or why this happens.
- I am happy Kara is returning but indifferent to seeing Jonathan again.

bradygirl_12
Aug. 5th, 2010 03:32 am (UTC)
Okay, since unpopular opinions are welcome and I won't get skewered, LOL:

1. I don't think Lex consciously chose to go down a dark path at all. I think it was a combination of a lifetime of people telling him that he had darkness in him (even Lillian said that!) and his meteor psychosis finally kicking in, because the Lex I saw in the early seasons, while shaded, was not the uber-dark Lex of later seasons, and I blame him losing his mind in the SV 'verse.

2. Both Clark and Lex were responsible for the friendship disintegrating. Both made mistakes.

3. Jonathan and Martha weren't perfect parents, but their paranoia was understandable. In SV, if they'd disappeared due to the Government (or Lionel) swooping in and taking Clark to become a lab rat, who would have noticed in Smallville? There was real danger in Clark's secret getting out, and unfortunately that damaged Clark and kept the Kents in constant protective mode that even early-season Lex couldn't breach.

4. Jonathan's hostility toward Lex is understandable. Lionel was not to be trusted on any level and knew too much about their secret. How could his son be trusted? Narrow thinking but I can see where Jonathan was coming from.

brijeana
Aug. 7th, 2010 07:38 am (UTC)
I agree with #3 and #4. Martha and Jonathan weren't perfect. But they loved Clark unconditionally and did their best.
(no subject) - bradygirl_12 - Aug. 7th, 2010 05:32 pm (UTC) - Expand
serenography
Aug. 5th, 2010 03:36 am (UTC)
I love this.

1. I give the Goughlar more credit than most people, because I think they deserve it. However, and maybe best of all, they also knew when they were overstaying their welcome.

2. I don't believe Alicia ever really recovered from her inner psycho.

3. Promise was an amazing and multi-layered episode.

4. Clark never had romantic feelings for Chloe. No, not even at the dance - although he did try.

5. Tom and Kristin had a natural chemistry that leaped off the TV (the one at my house at least). :D

You're right... I could go on and on. I'm the Queen of unpopular opinions about SV!
tariel22
Aug. 5th, 2010 10:39 pm (UTC)
I totally agree with #4, even though I shipped Chlark at one point. And I further think that Tom's acting is what made that so clear, because while Clark and Chloe had no romantic chemistry onscreen (IMO), Clark-as-Lionel and Chloe had genuine heat.
beef_wonder3
Aug. 5th, 2010 04:00 am (UTC)
What a great idea. I find myself wanting to reply to a lot of people, just sayin 'word!'

Anyway;
1- I think the majority of Season 3 is boring

2 - I like the evolution Clark has taken over the years, even if his stalling midway frustrates me, a part realizes that it's something that's not uncommon.

3 - I liked the CLois in Pandora but a niggling voice in my brain is miffed that Lois will never remember the real first time they slept together.

4 - Tom & Kristen made the final loft scene in Requirem beautiful and moving; enough that I want Lana back for proper resolution.

5 - I still like Chloe and want her in Clark's (& Lois') life.
jlvsclrk
Aug. 5th, 2010 05:46 am (UTC)
I agree with all your points, especially 4. How people cannot see this is beyond me. It also strongly relates to #1. Clark tried to be a good friend to Lex, but Lex could make that very difficult at times and eventually started tuning out Clark's warnings. From Lex's POV, Clark always had it easy and was asking for too much from him.

1. Although I have liked Chloe at various points in time, I'm just as happy that her role in S10 will be limited

2. There was too much Lois in S9, especially in the first half. I tend to agree with a point I think you made that the whole future travel - flashback idea was nothing more than a way around the Clois sex ban.

3. Lana had her moments and Clana made sense to me right up until mid S7, There unfortunatly the show failed to deliver on the groundwork they'd laid about them not being suitable for each other in so many ways.

4. Although Gough-Millar were pretty poor producers in the sense of keeping their writers focussed on consistent storytelling, they did a great job casting and in their own stories were pretty darned amazing.

5. Not sure if this is all that unpopular (here at least), but I think Ollie is a waste as a season regular, while Chlollie bores me to tears when it doesn't make me want to vomit. I fail to see the amazing chemistry that the producers referred to in a couple of Comic Con interviews.

And as a few other people have mentioned, I refuse to choose between Chloe and Lois and Lana for that matter. They've all had their good episodes and their bad. If I currently like Lois more than the others, its more that I like the way Clark is allowed to behave in her presence than because of any inherent superiority - much less canon.
(Deleted comment)
(no subject) - bradygirl_12 - Aug. 5th, 2010 05:52 pm (UTC) - Expand
(Deleted comment)
(no subject) - bradygirl_12 - Aug. 5th, 2010 06:38 pm (UTC) - Expand
(Deleted comment)
(no subject) - bradygirl_12 - Aug. 5th, 2010 10:44 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - brijeana - Aug. 7th, 2010 07:43 am (UTC) - Expand
tariel22
Aug. 5th, 2010 07:36 am (UTC)
Let me start by saying I agree with all of your opinions. I know you won't agree with all of mine. :)

1) I thought the dance between Clark and Lana in Spirit was the perfect way to end that episode, and it is one of my favorite scenes of the series.

2) I think Clark was right to keep his secret from Lex, Lana, and Chloe. In the end, knowing brought out in each of them the weakness that would destroy what they shared with Clark.

3) I never liked Pete.

4) I loved every minute of Oliver Queen in S6.

5) I like the comedy between Clark and Lois better than the romance, I'd rather watch them work together than make out, and I wish the Clois Future!Sex had never happened.
theclexfactor
Aug. 5th, 2010 04:52 pm (UTC)
You know I'm just going through and reading everyone's opinions, lol.

But I absoLUTEly agree with #2. I hated that they felt that he owed them his secret, and that they made him feel guilty about it. I wrote an entire convulted fanfic about the ramifications of Lex learning the secret in the early seasons, when he was still semi-decent.

I...also never liked Pete, and I hate that I didn't like Pete for the same reasons why female viewers feel bad for not liking female characters, I really wanted to like the one brother on the show, but...it didn't work for me. I do like Victor though and I LOOOOVE J'onn J'onnz, so I feel like I made my penance, lol.
(no subject) - tariel22 - Aug. 5th, 2010 10:53 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - x_pixilated_x - Aug. 6th, 2010 12:04 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - theclexfactor - Aug. 6th, 2010 01:13 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - x_pixilated_x - Aug. 6th, 2010 06:53 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - theclexfactor - Aug. 6th, 2010 03:16 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - jude_judith82 - Aug. 6th, 2010 02:26 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - tariel22 - Aug. 6th, 2010 02:33 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - brijeana - Aug. 7th, 2010 07:45 am (UTC) - Expand
chatchien
Aug. 5th, 2010 11:12 am (UTC)
Unpopular!
  • I like Oliver Queen on Smallville. From the moment that he showed up with his sly comments and his hatred for Lex and his tight Green Arrow costume and his missing shirts, I liked him. I like that he doesn't always agree with Clark and that he makes Clark earn his leadership role. I like a friendship between Clark and Ollie that requires re-negotiations in the wake of failures and missed opportunities and different goals and tactics.

  • As for Clark's friendships, Lex Luthor was Trouble with a Capital T from the moment he opened the door to his Porche and eased his black clad frame into Smallville in the Pilot. Remember the Westerns and Kurosawa's samurais? Lex could have been wearing silver spurs and a silver notched gun belt with a Blue Steel Magnum ready for the draw in that Creamed Corn Parking Lot.
    All that talk about a Friendship for the Ages was on Lex's side. Clark never glorified his relationship with Lex, he just liked him and tried to be a good friend. And whether Lex was trying to convince himself that he was capable of being a friend or trying to fool Clark, I don't know. But I do know from Reunion, that Lex had no understanding of what friendship was or what responsibilities it entailed. Lex was a sociopath.

  • Uh oh, with that last sentence, I'll bet that I have really voiced an unpopular opinion.

    And just to be really annoying, one of these days I am going to post on Wrath, Power, and Requiem and why they are good episodes that really show an estimable Lana.

    brijeana
    Aug. 7th, 2010 07:48 am (UTC)
    Re: Unpopular!
    I like Oliver Queen too! And his chest! He's so irreverent. Though his trip to the depressed side probably lasted too long.

    Oooh I love your description of Lex dismounting... erm... exiting his Porsche. Enter the VILLAIN all in black.

    You must explain to me the Lana arc of super suit Lana fu! I await these posts.

    Oooh a sip of tea never seemed so sinister!

    Re: Unpopular! - chatchien - Aug. 7th, 2010 12:46 pm (UTC) - Expand
    agentobrian
    Aug. 5th, 2010 12:13 pm (UTC)
    1. I don't want to see Batman on the show.

    2. I don't want to see Clark flying or wearing the suit.

    3. I like Sleeper. It's not the greatest episode ever, but I love spy stories and stuff like that.

    4. The 2nd half of Season 8 is better than the first half.

    5. I don't see any chemistry whatsoever between Clark and Lois, and the focus on Lois/Clois ruined Season 9.
    netlynn
    Aug. 5th, 2010 01:10 pm (UTC)
    1. I wish Lois didn't come on the show until Clark and Lana had decided (each of them) that it was time to move on. The way they ended Clana sort of cheapens Clois for me because she will never be his first choice. Clark and Lana can't be together, not because they grew up and decided it was time to move on.

    2. I hated that they brought on fake!Lex.

    3. I wish Chloe had left years ago - she gets on my nerves the way she treats Clark.

    4. I hated the way they shoved romantic!Clois down my throat right after Lana left. Yes, we all know who he ends up with but to me it cheapened it even more.
    (Deleted comment)
    (no subject) - tariel22 - Aug. 5th, 2010 11:01 pm (UTC) - Expand
    theclexfactor
    Aug. 5th, 2010 01:22 pm (UTC)
    I TOTALLY SHARE ALL OF YOUR FIVE OPINIONS!!!

    I mean, compared to the Luthors, yes Clark's upbringing was idyllic, but they still instilled in him some pretty heavy characteristics that he's still struggling with to this day. And it's those things that people often criticize Clark for but give LEx the benefit of the doubt.

    Here's another unpopular opinion: I could care less if Lex comes back or not. It mostly has to do with my opnion that I only welcome people who WANT to come back. I would much rather just focus on Clark becoming Superman, but I'm willing to bend since I still love Season 9 to pieces.

    But seriously, about Chloe: The people who claim Chloe was OOC in Season 9 were NOT paying attention to the first 3.5 seasons of this show (nor the last 2.5, IMHO).

    I also think Clark gave Lex more chances than were warranted after he learned that this GROWN MAN had a 15 YEAR OLD BOY investigated and almost got him and his parents killed on more than one occassion. I thought their "break-up" in Mortal was completely warranted because Lex went way too far and his ego and arrogance in thinking he can control every situation once again almost got not only Clark, Martha, and Jonathan, but also Lana killed. So, there you go.
    (Deleted comment)
    (no subject) - theclexfactor - Aug. 5th, 2010 04:59 pm (UTC) - Expand
    (no subject) - jude_judith82 - Aug. 6th, 2010 02:25 am (UTC) - Expand
    (Deleted comment)
    theclexfactor
    Aug. 5th, 2010 05:02 pm (UTC)
    OMG, WORD UP to the BDA thing. I HAAAAATE that nickname, and the problem is that it got used whenever Clark didn't fulfill a certain 'ship requirement, or when the PTB decided that Chloe needed to solve all of Clark's cases.

    I loved Jonathan too. He was flawed, absolutely, but that's what made him more fascinating and relatable as a person. And I really can't fault a man that genuinely loved his family and did his damnedest to protect them.

    And I still hold Season 1 up on a frickin pedastal, srsly.

    Edited at 2010-08-05 05:04 pm (UTC)
    redteekal
    Aug. 5th, 2010 01:54 pm (UTC)
    This is a great idea!

    1. I don't believe the friendship between Clark and Lex will/could have/might have ever redeemed Lex's darkness.

    2. I was embarrassed by Callum Blue's portrayal of Zod - I was overcome with the urge to just mock the hell out of his voice. I don't believe laughter was the reaction he was aiming for.

    3. I think Lana had way more steel, grit and determination in her than people gave her credit for. As headstrong as Chloe and more graceful with it.

    4. I never felt Pete was Clark's true friend.

    5. I like the lighter, more comedic episodes in the later seasons the best however ridiculous the premise for the origins of that humour.

    6. Jonathan pissed me off more often than he didn't.
    (Deleted comment)
    (no subject) - redteekal - Aug. 5th, 2010 02:18 pm (UTC) - Expand
    (Deleted comment)
    brijeana
    Aug. 7th, 2010 07:55 am (UTC)
    I agree with #2 completely. Though... I do have a few Clana moments that I enjoy.

    #3 - I do think that Oliver and Lois had fantastic chemistry. Maybe I should add that to my unpopular opinions. Her chemistry with John Corben is great too.
    huzzlewhat
    Aug. 5th, 2010 05:31 pm (UTC)
    Okay... You know I always overwrite... :-) Here's 12.

    1. The show hasn't made many missteps — character or narrative — that wouldn't have been fixed by having (and sticking to) a definite ending date.

    2. Chloe's characterization in Season 9 was on-target, and a natural evolution from everything that went before. There were no surprises there.

    3. I love Lana, and miss her, and don't feel that Clark's love for her threatens what he'll have with Lois. If Clark didn't love so hard, and so irrevocably, and sustain hope beyond reason, he wouldn't be Clark.

    4. The very first sequences of the very first episode portrayed baby!Lex as a coward (the helicopter, and running away from the kid in trouble) and a fundamentally cruel (throwing rocks at the birds) child. It hurts my heart that he couldn't overcome those character flaws, but he was ruined long before he ever met Clark.

    5. The Kents were absolutely right about not telling Lex the secret. Because even if Lex himself was sincerely Clark's friend and meant well, he was far too close to his father and vulnerable to his manipulations — Lionel would have had it out of him in a heartbeat. Telling Lex = telling Lionel.

    6. Lionel's "redemption" was nothing of the sort, but it made perfectly logical sense to me. The character progression was well-founded, including his "Road to Damascus" moment in "Mercy." And I think the whole "Veritas" retcon makes it make even more sense.

    7. Chloe's fundamental problem in relating to Clark is that she's never really seen him as human — even when she didn't know he actually wasn't.

    8. Having Lois spend another year at The Inquisitor would have done her storyline a world of good.

    9. The best direction after Clark left college would have been to reduce the entire cast list with the exception of TW to regulars, and take the Clark-show on the road. Like a super-powered "The Fugitive," with just periodic check-ins with the the others.

    10. I do not think it's an insult to Michael Rosenbaum or the fans to recast Lex if he chooses not to return. Whether I think it'll work or not (I don't), Lex has been part of the Superman story for seven decades — if he chooses not to play the part, it's not unreasonable for a Superman show to find someone else. (Now, ask me if it'll work...)

    11. I've never wanted to rush Clark into being Superman — I'm glad he's not there yet. That much weight on one pair of shoulders would crumple him if he wasn't ready, and I feel no urgency to push him there before he steps up voluntarily. All those characters who push him to step up are courting disaster, and should be rebuked, hard.

    12. I miss Jonathan.



    huzzlewhat
    Aug. 5th, 2010 06:29 pm (UTC)
    I really agree with you on the Lois/Inquisitor stuff. It always felt to me like there was this rush to get Lois, and later Clark, into the Daily Planet, and by doing so, neither entrance was all that it should've, and could've, been.

    That's why I put #1 — lack of deadlines — at the top of my list. I mean, it's not enough to know where you want a character to end up, you have to know how much (or how little) time you have to get them there. The development for the main characters makes sense in the broad overview, but on the ground level, it's comprised of a bunch of fast lurches forward when they kicked forward momentum into high gear, followed by a stall when they got a renewal.
    (Anonymous)
    Aug. 5th, 2010 06:07 pm (UTC)
    Britas15. Hi, there! You know I had to chime in on this one! (Part 1)
    Unpopular opinions? I think I may suck at this. Hmm... let's see...

    (1) The music from the final scene in "Requiem" is one of the best pieces I've ever heard on the show. There was something about it that was almost lullaby-ish. It was almost as if it was about the loss of whimsy or fantasy or childhood dreams or something. Which was really poignant given what was happening between Lana and Clark. They were, to me, growing up and letting go in that scene. And they were doing so the hard way -- reluctantly, fearfully, resentfully. Which brings me to...

    (2) I really do think that what Clark was so terrified of during that entire final scene in "Requiem" and during the entire Lana Arc was Lois. I think he felt something very big during Chloe's wedding, and I think it didn't make sense to him, and I think his natural reaction was to resist it and to go back to what was convenient and familiar. So, I really, really do think that Clark's "I love you" at the end of "Requiem" was for Lois. I heard it that way the first time I watched the episode and I still hear it that way now. Do I think Clark understood what it meant or was prepared to deal with what it meant? Heck no. But I do think that in the midst of an emotional upheaval (over the Lana stuff), he experienced a brief moment of real clarity, and identified what it was that he felt for Lois: love. Not necessarily romantic love, but the kind of love that's about deep respect, and admiration, and trust, and so forth.

    (3) I don't think the writers and producers are untalented. I just think they're lazy, and I think that none of them really watch the show in its entirety, and I think that a lot of the plot holes and inconsistent characterizations and continuity issues come down to a lack of communication between the various creative minds. It's hard to put character over plot when no one's on the same page. Case in point: There's just no way in hell that any Clark would ever LoJack any Lois. That was just lazy writing. And it still infuriates me, because it's now canon.

    (4) I didn't like the "Pandora" sex because (a) future-Clark didn't tell Lois the truth before he fucked her, and (b) Lois didn't get to keep her memories, which truly sickens me.

    (5) I don't think that Welling and Durance generate enough heat for a leading couple (and that's in comparison to couples on other shows in general, and in terms of couples on this show in particular). I think they play off of each other wonderfully in terms of comic timing and banter and overall dialogue and occupying the same screen. But I find things like their kisses to be generally unremarkable. And mostly, I think that, having seen her work with a few other actors, Durance is the one who's not keeping up.
    (Anonymous)
    Aug. 5th, 2010 06:12 pm (UTC)
    Britas15 (Part 2)
    (6) In general, I disagree with the direction in which the PTB have taken Lois ever since "Disciple." She's become kind of neutered to me, and I think that Durance is either choosing to overplay Lois's fangirlishness about Clark, or she's being asked to. Either way, I miss Lois's confidence and flirtation and come-hither-ness. Clark needs someone who likes, respects, and supports him. He doesn't need a fucking fan.

    (7) Brian Peterson can kiss my ass. Lois felt romantically for The Blur. She did since Day One ("Stiletto"). Maybe that's not the way the PTB wanted it to come across, but when a woman is that damn eager about a guy, and doing crazy things for him, and finding more purpose in her relationship with him than she does with her boyfriend, and crying over losing him, and still bringing him up at odd times, and missing him, she has romantic feelings. Period. Did she like Clark more? Absolutely. Was Clark her choice? You bet. But that doesn't mean that she didn't feel something for The Blur. And I think it's bullshit that the PTB tried to split that hair (and that they tried to ignore that she fell for Zod's Blur too). Like you wrote elsewhere, I think they should have either just committed to respecting the canon and done the full triangle-for-two, or they should have just never bothered in the first damn place, and stuck to whatever they wanted for "Smallville." Which brings me to...

    (8) I think the PTB have no real consensus on whether "Clark"'s the real persona and "The Blur" is just a disguise, or both "Clark" and "The Blur" make up the character. And I think that that's borne out by their handling of the triangle. Clearly nowadays, they want Lois to like "Clark" and only "Clark." They think there's something romantic about her only liking the simple, unassuming farmboy. And so, they try to depict her as only being a friend to The Blur. But, that's ridiculous and unfair since (a) Clark has fallen harder for Lois romantically because of the Lois-Blur relationship, and (b) all the way up until "Idol," Lois absolutely did have romantic feelings and romantic aspirations for her and The Blur. So, yeah, I think the writing is what's screwing up Clark, and Lois and Clark. And it's what's confusing and aggravating a lot of viewers. And that's a real shame. (Don't even get me started on the spoilers for this upcoming season.)

    (9) I don't think that Tom Welling gives a shit about Clark's characterization (and I don't mind that). I think he wanted more involvement and say-so behind the scenes, and that that's what he asked for before re-signing after Season 8 (or was it season 7?). But as far as the story itself and Clark's growth, I just don't think he cares. He's not a writer. He wants to run a show, not create a story. In my opinion.

    (10) I miss Gough and Millar. I think they were probably not-so-great showrunners, and had a problem keeping everyone on the same page, and content, and reined in. But they were some of the best storytellers this show has ever had.
    (Deleted comment)
    Re: Britas15 (Part 2) - (Anonymous) - Aug. 5th, 2010 11:46 pm (UTC) - Expand
    Re: Britas15 (Part 2) - jeannev - Aug. 5th, 2010 11:57 pm (UTC) - Expand
    Re: Britas15 (Part 2) - (Anonymous) - Aug. 6th, 2010 12:51 am (UTC) - Expand
    (Deleted comment)
    jeannev
    Aug. 5th, 2010 11:26 pm (UTC)
    Hello :)

    Its fun to get the unpopular opinions out, isn't it?

    For me, as a Clex fan, I think their dysfunction appeals to me. But I never think that they could've had anything other then dysfunction. I don't think Clark could save Lex, and I'm not sure Lex could've controlled his curiousity and his darker impulses. Schmoopy Clex is fun to read in fanfic, but the stories that resonate with me are always the ones that delves into the truly twisted nature of their relationship. And I see Lex as the real source of that.
    (no subject) - jeannev - Aug. 5th, 2010 11:34 pm (UTC) - Expand
    shopgirl318
    Aug. 5th, 2010 11:46 pm (UTC)
    Unpopular Opinions: I have a few of my though I definitly agree with #1 and #4. Everyone likes to woobie Lex and I am guilty of this in the past sometimes. Doing a rewatch of SV recently of episodes and certain scenes. Lex was a bad friend, Clark made his mistakes too but sometimes I secretly hated the way Lex had this entitlement to Clark and his personal life/secrets and when Clark didn't bend the way Lex wanted him too fandom and Lex himself would Clark out like he was a terrible person which wasn't fair.

    #4 I liked season 4 also. Season 2 and 3 not so much. I watched more of Season 4 than I did of seasons 5 and 6. Season 4 had some great standalones like Spirit, Transference etc. Though I could give or take Lana being a witch but it was cracky and fun. It was also one of the darkest seasons full of dark themes. I also liked Lana/Lex briefly and they should have been one of the main couples. Had a soft spot for Lana/Jason also.

    Some more unpopular opinions:

    1. Jonathan, I liked him. he wasn't my favorite parent but after viewing season 6 and 7 with Lionel and the he manipulated Martha. I see why he didn't trust Lex or Lionel at times.

    2. Lex being evol!!! I think in the earlier seasons Lex was complex, grey, and messed up before Clark because with parents like his who wouldn't be but he was a semi decent person. I think he needed guidance from the right people which is what he didn't get all the time. He needed some real friends his own age. Clark/Lex wasn't healthy even though I ship them and they are my fannon OTP but they are detrimental to each other.

    3. Lois/Clark, I love Lois and Clark together and individually but I think TPTB waited to long to put them together and when they in season 9 they put them through to many obstacles and made them wait to long, which took some of the heat out of them. I think they do have chemistry and they could be the leading couple it is just the writing that isn't doing any favors for them. I never thought Lois was a second choice for Clark. When Clark loves he does with his whole heart and look at how chances he Oliver, Chloe, Lex, etc after they betrayed him.

    4. I never thought Clark was the BDA and Chloe wasn't smarter than him either. Sorry Chloe fans! I thought she was intelligent but Chloe was more harmful to Clark than helpful especially with her neglience to his feelings, thoughts surrounding Clark's secrets and feelings.

    5. I am going to get stoned for this one. Is is bad that I want more of Oliver/Tess? I liked them and Oliver was way more tolerable around her. I just don't get Ollie/Chloe, but you knew that already. They have zero chemistry, but eh people like who they like.

    6. Lillian wasn't as good of a mother to Lex. I got the feeling from watching that season 7 epsiode when Clark went through Lex's memories to rescue Kara. Lex had an ideal version of his mother and what type of person she was. She wasn't as terrible as Lionel but she certainly wasn't a Martha Kent either. All I am saying is to mess up a child is that it takes 2 parents. Look at what happened to his little brother Julian. yes Lex was long messed up before Clark and SV but I think he isn't a lost cause though after season 7 some people would disagree with me.

    7. I miss Kara and she should have been on for seasons 8-9 but I hear she is coming back for season 10 that is great news! I also don't think people give Clark enough credit for his good deeds. He has been saving people since season 1. I think now everything is just coming together and he is coming into his own person instead listening to everyone and letting them influence him without making his own decisions first.
    jeannev
    Aug. 5th, 2010 11:52 pm (UTC)
    OK, now you're freaking me out. I replied to you, then the post disappeared, then a bunch of my posts disappeared, and now I'm scared. LOL

    And there is NO STONING HERE! If you want Ollie/Tess, than thats your "unpopular opinion", and its OK here in the Free Zone.

    And Lillian was an awful mother in my view.
    (no subject) - shopgirl318 - Aug. 6th, 2010 02:52 am (UTC) - Expand
    (no subject) - jeannev - Aug. 6th, 2010 11:46 am (UTC) - Expand
    tariel22
    Aug. 5th, 2010 11:59 pm (UTC)
    *kicks LJ* Maybe they'll come back later. :( I'm glad I got to read them all, at least, this has been a wonderful discussion!
    jeannev
    Aug. 6th, 2010 01:48 am (UTC)
    Well, the important thing is really the responses to the entry, and they're all still here :)
    (Deleted comment)
    jeannev
    Aug. 6th, 2010 01:58 am (UTC)
    I think you already know how much I agree with your #1. I think Oliver's perpetual romances with some female cast member are a symptom of the very thing you are talking about.

    I have never thought Clark was a bad friend to Chloe, or was treating her fairly. Not in S1, not in S2, and so on until S9. I've never quite understood why Chloe's own decisions weren't hers to own. If it hurt her to be near a guy she was in love with that didn't love her back, then she needed to step away. Clark's feelings towards her were ones of friendship, and thats always how he acted towards her.

    Page 1 of 2
    <<[1] [2] >>
    ( 113 comments — Leave a comment )

    Profile

    augustman
    jeannev
    Valerie

    Latest Month

    October 2011
    S M T W T F S
          1
    2345678
    9101112131415
    16171819202122
    23242526272829
    3031     

    Tags

    Powered by LiveJournal.com